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Avoiding over air updates for next time...

This over air update, I think everyone can agree, was a complete disaster. It didn't seem to matter whether you were completely stock or rooted, etc... and it could completely brick your phone. It scared the ever loving crap out of me. My phone kept contacting the update server (never started downloading) but I was able to sneak in the update via Clockwork.
My query is this... aimed at the developers here. Is it possible in any way, that a hack could be created that would block the connection to the over air updates? It became my understanding that once it started, you were basically stuck with it and had no choice in the matter.

Is it really that difficult to post in the correct section?

My bad... I guess. I thought a question directed towards developers would belong here. A moderator is welcome to move it as they see fit. And hopefully this isn't seen as rude... I really was just trying to bring up an honest question and believed it to be posted in the right place.

No need to be rude about it, this does nothing to foster a growing community
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Rude comments instead of answers...
life2monkeys said:
No need to be rude about it, this does nothing to foster a growing community
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OP, ignore these guys...there are some of them on every forum on the Internet...they just wish they were mods. Both their posts are rude; yours was not.

Waste of space and time...
jasonyump said:
Is it really that difficult to post in the correct section?
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You're a senior member; he is not. Loosen up a bit and stop being rude. You took the time to post your rude comment when you could just have easily given an answer (assuming you knew it which appears not be the case) and then nicely mentioned the correct location for the post.

One of the reasons I hate posting. All these people always attack everything u do or say
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Ok guys we were all new at something one time or another. Lets try to help as much a possible. This should have gone in Q&A and I will move it there here in a sec.
To answer OP As long as you dont go and check for it and agree then it should not DL and mess everything up like this one did. Anyone is free to correct me if I am wrong, noob to android myself and learning as I go

Well said.
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zelendel said:
Ok guys we were all new at something one time or another. Lets try to help as much a possible. This should have gone in Q&A and I will move it there here in a sec.
To answer OP As long as you dont go and check for it and agree then it should not DL and mess everything up like this one did. Anyone is free to correct me if I am wrong, noob to android myself and learning as I go
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I appreciate this, I really did think I'd posed the question in the right place... as it's not a "can I stop the update" question, but "does a developer know if that area of the OS could be stopped with hack." I should add I'm not a kid asking someone to hack my phone, this is purely hypothetical.
It's not such a big deal if you can, in fact deny the over-air update. I'd gotten the impression from several posts that it was nearly forced. Maybe it was just the issue of stopped downloads that got installed partially... I'm not sure.
Anyway, thanks zelendel. What's OP? My sign on should say maximus-dev... I see OP next to peoples member level... but thought that's what meant they were signed on.

OP = original poster. i.e. the person who started the thread

maximus-dev said:
I appreciate this, I really did think I'd posed the question in the question in the right place... as it's not a can I stop the update, but does a developer know if that area of the OS could be stopped, but it's not such a big deal if you can, in fact deny the over-air update. I'd gotten the impression from several posts that it was nearly forced. Maybe it was just the issue of stopped downloads that got installed partially... I'm not sure.
Anyway, thanks zelendel. What's OP? My sign on should say maximus-dev... I see OP next to peoples names... but thought that's what meant they were signed on.
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OP stands for Orignal Poster. I think it was stopped downloads that caused some issues but I have A buddy that has one as well and he didnt even know there was an update till I told him so I think you have to check for the update, I dont see anyone being able to push an update to your phone weather you want it or not. But then again I could be wrong, been known to happen a time or two

zelendel said:
Ok guys we were all new at something one time or another. Lets try to help as much a possible. This should have gone in Q&A and I will move it there here in a sec.
To answer OP As long as you dont go and check for it and agree then it should not DL and mess everything up like this one did. Anyone is free to correct me if I am wrong, noob to android myself and learning as I go
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Nicely done. That's why you a mod.

zelendel said:
OP stands for Orignal Poster. I think it was stopped downloads that caused some issues but I have A buddy that has one as well and he didnt even know there was an update till I told him so I think you have to check for the update, I dont see anyone being able to push an update to your phone weather you want it or not. But then again I could be wrong, been known to happen a time or two
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There was an AT&T link around here that said that you are allowed to postpone updating for a up to two times but will be required to update the third time. I am not sure how that works, because I have not yet been notified of the OTA update that is going to fail (because my phone is flashed off stock). I am sure it is something like a modeless dialog box where you have two choices the first two times, but the third time you must chose to update. Since I already have the OTA update installed, I am not sure what's going to happen when my time comes, and I can't postpone any more.

I saw the install or postpone but I only saw that after I looked for the update and DL it, then of course everything went to hell lol

HEY! First time? Start here <-------------------------

Greetings forum,
I am sensing a common trend here in the forum. People are not reading... which leads me to question if what I am writing here will help.
Please. I beg of you. Before you root your phone, please read about it. Read what it does, how it does it, and what risks you are taking by doing it. There is plenty of information on this site. If you cannot find it here, remember, GOOGLE is your friend.
Now this is probably well known forum etiquette, but please use the search bar. If you are having a problem, look for an answer. Please do not clutter the forum with duplicate threads. Many times, information is not always phone dependent. Meaning, a solution for a Nexus 1 could, very well, work for a Droid, or any android based phone. Do not limit yourself to your phone. There have been numerous occasions where I have found help in a G1 forum or a Droid forum.
This forum is a (usually)friendly place to find and exchange information. (People get grumpy when you ask questions that have already been answered.) It is not, specifically, a help desk. Many people want to use it for customer support. This is not the place, even though many people will help you out. Your carrier has a support line. Please think about it before you post something like "Why isn't my phone getting reception?", or "Why aren't my text messages going through?".
Finally, if you want to get into development you have to read, a lot. If you root your phone or want to build an app or just want to customize, you have to read. Before you start deleting files or adding files or rooting or changing /system/framework, please read. There's tons of documentation. There is very little pity for people wanting to be spoon fed (at least on my part). If this is something you simply cannot or will not do, please do not download root uninstaller and start deleting stuff. Please do not try to upgrade your phone yourself. The carrier retail stores are more than willing to help you.
Get involved and be a part of the forum. You can learn a lot.

Thanks, I was getting a little annoyed seeing the same posts again and again.
If you have a question please search for an answer and then ask your question. Also you can join us on IRC.
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Bump for STICKY!

I second the +1, definitley need a sticky

+1
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Looks like no one is coming here first so... BUMP!

CONFUSED
search then ask doesn't mean search scan the results threads and then ask it means search read the results then ask to clarify what knowledge you gleaned from the results you read.... I see too many people say I read the thread but cant find this or that literally 2 or three posts after the last guy posted the EXACT SAME THING and got a reply. some of these threads would literally be two thirds smaller without the constant repitition.

Truth.
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I have repeated myself a few times in several threads because some just don't read more than the most recent posts.
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Well how bout just starting/creating a section or forum or whatever it would be called, where open thoughts/questions/ideas/or whatever can just be asked/discussed WITHOUT having to go thru all the searching and back posts and reading n reading? A section that's out of the way of all the techs but still within the zio section. Work and kids and other things going on in life don't leave much search/type/read n read time, lot easier to just ask (even if its already been asked some other where) and check back later for any results/replies.
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"Now I'm so broke I can't even pay attention!!"

I understand that, and that is what this thread is dedicated to. I totally understand a busy work schedule. I worked an average of 45 hours a week doing tech support for AT&T U-verse, plus taking the bus and going to college.
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[Q] {V} Clock Work Mod & More

Hello!
Upgraded my ZTE Blade to a Xperia V. I made a major leap in technology . But the development front seems to be at a stand still. Maybe the phone is to new or to unpopular. Anyhow I guess that in time we will get more custom ROM's to our phone. But CWM was a easy way to install new roms. I used it on my ZTE. Anyhow, is it possible to use this in our phones? And the tutorial for rooting the device is too cluttered ( Thinking about this thread ) for inexperienced users. How do I even come in to service mode to be able to upload my new rom/kernel?
Thank you in advance!
Best regards,
Sweden

First its to new and second we in Sweden are one of few countries where V has been released so far. Most countries wont get V until next year.

bylund said:
First its to new and second we in Sweden are one of few countries where V has been released so far. Most countries wont get V until next year.
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Ah that makes sense. So we will have to wait a while (months maybe a year) until any development will a cure. I thought they where pretty much alike (T,TL,V) so I could use their roms but that seems to be wrong, I guess that they don't have LTE support.
I can't post in the developers forum because of too few posts. But have anybody here tried the CyanogenMod that's posted there?

swefos said:
I can't post in the developers forum because of too few posts. But have anybody here tried the CyanogenMod that's posted there?
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hmmmm, you need a lot more reading before you can start posting.
If you mean my thread is to cluttered, it is not, there is a lot of information to take in and therefore done time is needed to read it.
Secondly, after a bit of reading you will learn there is no built in recovery in Sony phones, you have to instal it yourself.
Thirdly, read the threads about rooting, and unlocking, all the information is already out there
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How do I customise the signature on xda premium app?
EDIT, Now i am at my pc I can see you did not mean my thread, but championshipswimmers thread is very straigtforward.
My point still stands.
Before I flashed anything on my ohne I spent several days reading up on things, and since you are new to sony I recommend the all in one thread. Follow my signature ink to find it.
Read it, try to understad it, then ask questions in that thread on what things mean.
A few days reading to understand things wont stop you being able to customise your phone the way you want it, but it maystop you bricking it.

A read about the forum state regarding Kit Kat OTA update

This is not a rant or a moan or whatever you want to call it. This is just clearing a few things up after the last few days what i have been reading on the forum.
Firstly support for N4 will still be there after this update, and i am sure we have at least one more major update to come for our beloved device. People saying that our phone will be next are just talking rubbish. People all over the forum are crying thinking that our device will be next. Until a confirmation from Google can people please stop with the conspiracy theories.
Also regarding with the launcher. Now i am not that really bothered if it gets released or not as i do not use Google Now. But again were is the official confirmation that the launcher will not be included for our device? There is none. Just tech sites writing there stuff as usual and every one is lapping it up and making a fuss.
I love my phone and i do not see a reason why i should upgrade to the Nexus 5. I do not want though people in the forum to start moaning about things that are not official yet from the God itself which is Google. Yes they are not perfect but until the actual release gets to our device and we have things missing then fine all hell can break lose.
Oh and one last thing. Yes am gutted that we not got the update soon as the release came out but we are still the first to get it were other mega devices are not getting it at least December or Xmas the earliest..So am still thankful for the Nexus line. But that will start not meaning anything soon anyway if they carry this new strategy of there to put money first before anything else.
But till then please take a chill pill people.
This will get shut down and deleted am sure but i just wanted people to read this and seriously take it easy till there is ACTUAL CONFIRMATION by GOOGLE THEMSELVES..
Mods sorry if this should not be here but sometimes a man has enough when reading through the forums and having whiny kids whine all the time.
And to add...We are XDA...If things go missing and are not included in the build that our beloved N4 should get then people trust our great and respectful Developers here who are if you do not mind me saying better than those at Google..We will have those features that the N5 has and if not should be better build than stock...So please show your support for our devs and less whining and help this place for newbies instead of moaning all the time about something that has not been confirmed yet

:highfive: for you!
This is exactly my opinion on the subject.
If you are on XDA, odds are that you know how to mod your phone, and believe me, everything that will not come with the official OTA will be made avaliable soon here on XDA.
Right, you might need root, you can argue you do not want to root but then what is the point of your anger if you do not want to take action to get something you want?
Just wait for Google to release the OTA and everything will be clear!
Should be soon I guess

Ignasiuz said:
:highfive: for you!
This is exactly my opinion on the subject.
If you are on XDA, odds are that you know how to mod your phone, and believe me, everything that will not come with the official OTA will be made avaliable soon here on XDA.
Right, you might need root, you can argue you do not want to root but then what is the point of your anger if you do not want to take action to get something you want?
Just wait for Google to release the OTA and everything will be clear!
Should be soon I guess
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exactly my friend. until something has been confirmed i do not understand why people are panicking. and by the next update which will be by summer time our phone should be more than capable to handle it and i am sure we are in for that to. phones should have a support from the OS development team ie Google at least maximum two years...so why are people are stressed is beyond me.
Now as the Galaxy Nexus that is a strange one and Google should state the reasons why they are not supporting it but again that is nothing to do with me or concerns me..But for people to start saying that the N4 is next is beyond silly to say

Goku80 said:
But again were is the official confirmation that the launcher will not be included for our device? There is none. Just tech sites writing there stuff as usual and every one is lapping it up and making a fuss.
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Sure there is confirmation. It is not included in the Nexus 7 WiFi KitKat update. And Google confirmed it with The Verge and said it is possible they will bring it to other devices other than the N5 someday but not initially.

Great post OP.. You know what I think it is? Purely my opinion after mulling over how absolutely weird the 4.4 rollout and release has been.
Ever been in a corporate environment where someone important is replaced? It's hell.. JBQ left and was replaced.. So here you have a new guy who is pulling the old corporate "I'm new and have to flex my superiority and change things to make it look like I'm doing something different and being productive" (ie: Fishing for his next promotion).. This happens in nearly every business.. It's hilarious to watch happen in real life because most employees know it's coming.. 3 months later after everyone hates the new guy and his useless changes everything goes right back to the way it was. I'm certain all the rumblings this is causing is being heard..

This is all very nice but it makes my think longer and hard did l make the right decision buying a nexus 4.With the ota out for nexus 7 and 10 l just wonder what the delay is with nexus 4
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In b4 lock

No please, not again.
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No please, not again.
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Its called discussion. If you do not want to participate then don't post. Hence why the other thread got closed
Cause useless posts like yours
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Please enlighten me, what's the difference between your thread and the one that got closed. You've already labeled all that don't share your point of view by "whiners" (btw weren't you the one that also happened to "whine" at the beginning? ) so what do you expect? It's obvious that any sort of discussion won't be possible here. Your thread will sooner or later became exactly the same place of mindless arguments and eventually closed.
But you're right. If am not interested to participate so I am done. Good luck though, I am sure you're get many "thanks".
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Goku80 said:
Now as the Galaxy Nexus that is a strange one and Google should state the reasons why they are not supporting it but again that is nothing to do with me or concerns me..But for people to start saying that the N4 is next is beyond silly to say
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It has to do with the Ti core not being supported anymore. Also, not being supported by Ti did not meant it doesn't work for Galaxy Nexus, just means Google would not support a device without former support to its hardware.
Anyways, Galaxy Nexus got 4.4 already, go Install it

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Please enlighten me, what's the difference between your thread and the one that got closed. You've already labeled all that don't share your point of view by "whiners" so what do you expect? It's obvious that any sort of discussion will be possible here. Your thread will sooner or later became exactly the same place of mindless arguments and closed. Good luck though
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Isn't this the waiting room for nexus 4 owners that are waiting on the ota?

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Please enlighten me, what's the difference between your thread and the one that got closed. You've already labeled all that don't share your point of view by "whiners" (btw weren't you the one that also happened to "whine" at the beginning? ) so what do you expect? It's obvious that any sort of discussion won't be possible here. Your thread will sooner or later became exactly the same place of mindless arguments and eventually closed.
But you're right. If am not interested to participate so I am done. Good luck though, I am sure you're get many "thanks".
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It is not about getting many thanks..To be honest got enough already as it is. Now moving on

a g bell said:
This is all very nice but it makes my think longer and hard did l make the right decision buying a nexus 4.With the ota out for nexus 7 and 10 l just wonder what the delay is with nexus 4
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Notice the GSM/LTE tablets haven't got an update yet either...

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Isn't this the waiting room for nexus 4 owners that are waiting on the ota?
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To be honest the reason why i opened this thread is to get my opinion about the many things that i have read on the forum. Many false information that is going around by others is beyond ridiculous because they listen to tech sites most of them without any proper confirmation by Google itself...Now as to regarding the updates that are coming for our device if there is an official changelog by Google to say what are the changes from the older nexus devices compare to the N5 then i will eat my hat if it is out already stating what we are getting and missing out on..
But again people forget that XDA is here to help..Hence why we should not be ranting and raving
What am trying to say is that i want this thread to stick to a proper adult discussion about our device regarding the build that we should get..And i do not want people to give mis-information till we get it from the Big Boss itself

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I can understand your point here OP but, the purpose of forums such as this one is to allow for open discussion on a topic. I see no issue with speculation or assumption as long as people keep their heads. That is, after all, what makes things interesting and keeps people intrigued. If we went purely on the facts at hand 100% of the time, discussions would end fairly quickly and most forums would be desolate places.
Just my .02

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lollipop delayed and End of production for Nexus 5

...Google end production on nexus 5....
http://techpp.com/2014/11/05/nexus-5-discontinued/
..Nexus 5.0 update delayed until Nov.12..
http://www.androidpit.com/android-5-0-lollipop-update-delayed-on-nexus-range
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from the same article that you posted about the n5 being discontinued..
Update: There’s a possibility that Google is stopping the production of only the 32GB version of Nexus 5, as the XDA user above was asking for a replacement of 32GB Nexus 5. We will be contacting LG/Google for clarification and will update this article accordingly.
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End of production was to be expected from my point of view.
But "delayed" update was a quiet a surprise because I was expecting at the end of November.
I'm quiet happy that they will release OTA on 12th, that means the image will be up few days sooner.
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Nah it will not end.
http://www.google.com/nexus/5/
The site says it all.

Yea... Wouldn't make sense to discontinue it, and take the effort to redo the Nexus 5 page showing it running Lollipop.

Come on guys, you know how it is. This is rumor season. A bunch of people just randomly show up to the forum to post something they probably saw on G+ or something. Take 99.99% of all of this stuff with a grain of salt. As for the N5, I'll believe it's discontinued when you can't buy it on the Play Store from a link that says get your NEW Nexus 5 here...

So, you're pointing to a blog that in turns points back to lively thread here in our very own forums... Needless to say the original XDA thread does a fine job of repudiating the idea that the N5 has been terminated -- for all the reasons noted in the above posts. Circular posts like this just feed the rumour mill and before long we all end up authoritatively on IBTimes!
Though the N5 portion of this thread seems redundant in light of the XDA source thread I'll add a further 2¢: The original complaint seems to be someone trying to RMA their device (specifics are lacking), If that's the case he/she would only be offered a refurbished unit as per Google policy. That wouldn't explain the explain the wording of the feedback from Google Play, but in that case I'd suggest it's little more than miscommunication. In fact, the wording of the Play email is rather unlike anything I've ever had back from Google/Play support.
Said thread / rumour began here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/nexus-5-wont-produced-anymore-t2921263/page2
EDIT: *sigh* Even the postponement item is a report on a rumour from another site. "Android Police claims to have learned that the over-the-air (OTA) update for Android 5.0 Lollipop has been postponed to until..." While AP is a very credible source (and this report has been thoroughly covered in the appropriate forum here already), linking to a repeat of a report is fairly useless unless the fresh take offers an actual fresh take with, ya know, with new details or insights.

What happened to official statements? Are they valid nowadays? Because Google hasn't officially declared anything regarding this... So why discuss it further?

A new thread for every single article on lollypop?
It would be awesome if there were one place to discuss all these...... Wait... What about...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2795890

KJ said:
A new thread for every single article on lollypop?
It would be awesome if there were one place to discuss all these...... Wait... What about...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2795890
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That thread is for the Developer Preview of Lollipop. Not the public production release of Lollipop.
I for one have found info on Production release lacking on this forum so informative threads are appreciated.

tgrgrd00 said:
That thread is for the Developer Preview of Lollipop. Not the public production release of Lollipop.
I for one have found info on Production release lacking on this forum so informative threads are appreciated.
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I dont even use this site as much Now since Everyone seems to want a ALL -N- One thread .. I not gonna read thur 100+ pages of stuff to find what im looking for.. And if the Thread title doesn't describe what im looking for i dont click it.. BTW i didnt know a Thread was made already for End of Production news.. SORRY.. Not everyone gets up here everyday..

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I dont even use this site as much Now since Everyone seems to want a ALL -N- One thread .. I not gonna read thur 100+ pages of stuff to find what im looking for.. And if the Thread title doesn't describe what im looking for i dont click it.. BTW i didnt know a Thread was made already for End of Production news.. SORRY.. Not everyone gets up here everyday..
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Yep, this trend makes it appear as if there is a lot less content too. Plus like you mention I'm not reading 100 pages in a thread with a title I have no interest in.
Much easier to have more specific topics with several pages than broad topics with hundreds of pages where who knows what page the info I'm looking for might be on.

txtmikhail said:
I dont even use this site as much Now since Everyone seems to want a ALL -N- One thread .. I not gonna read thur 100+ pages of stuff to find what im looking for.. And if the Thread title doesn't describe what im looking for i dont click it.. BTW i didnt know a Thread was made already for End of Production news.. SORRY.. Not everyone gets up here everyday..
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Well, if you had read the blog post that you cited regarding end of production you'd have seen that it was referring to (and linked to!) an XDA N6 thread. If, having realized this, you still felt there was a clear need to (re)post it here you could have - at least - linked directly to the original XDA thread.

Another future of N5/Nexus thread,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2919674
And most here know that all L discussion goes in the L general or Q&A threads until it's officially released. Hence the reason every single L or Lollipop thread has been closed by the moderators.... In case you didn't see that trend. ?
Please guys. Stick to the L sticky threads as we've been asked to numerous times. ?

This is very good news.
Now android l can fix the problems of nexus 5 and make much better. now i like nexus 5. nexus 6 too big, it sad and sad
why delay because google still watch us with nsa so who care if they watch us all the time then they watch us right now be very disappointed with the delay

Aerys said:
Nah it will not end.
http://www.google.com/nexus/5/
The site says it all.
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I will point out that the 32GB is out of stock on the Nexus 5 minisite, but that just means out of stock, which means no backorderable stock, which could mean waiting on new manufacture. I actually believe that Google understands, as do I, that this phone is still very cutting edge; and at this price point, most certainly the best buy for the dollar on the market. I have the opportunity to get any new phone now with a company paid monthly bill on AT&T or Verizon. You know what? I'm gonna keep my N5 on Straight Talk. Call me a dummy but I can't find a phone I like more with the features I've grown attached to (wireless charging ftw), a brilliant high dpi screen, and a form factor that fits just right (any larger and I can't one-hand it on the subway while keeping my other hand on the railing). What really makes a phone feel new is a radically upgraded OS, and that's what I have now with my no-questions-asked free replacement refurb on Android 5.0. Thanks Google!

@KJ is right, plenty of threads to discuss this.
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