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Hello world!
I like the fact that this device will be "waterproof", but a question that's popped up in my head recently is whether or not that applies when using wired headphones too. For example, say you're standing in the middle of the monsoon rains listening to music. Will the headphone "socket" be isolated well enough that the use of headphones is rendered safe & sound, or will we have to use Bluetooth for that purpose?
Hope I get my point across, as I don't really know how to ask this in a decent fashion. :victory:
ninetwozero said:
Hello world!
I like the fact that this device will be "waterproof", but a question that's popped up in my head recently is whether or not that applies when using wired headphones too. For example, say you're standing in the middle of the monsoon rains listening to music. Will the headphone "socket" be isolated well enough that the use of headphones is rendered safe & sound, or will we have to use Bluetooth for that purpose?
Hope I get my point across, as I don't really know how to ask this in a decent fashion. :victory:
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Good question! But I don't know the answer maybe mail Sony
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Unless the bundled headphones are water proof, I wouldn't do that. I think the headphone jack should go so easily, the headphone itself will be ruined.
Once I was washing hands while I was listening to music, and I touched the cable and it went right on the running water. The right ear stopped working. Luckily I was at home and used the hair dryer on the headphone. It isn't still that good (left ear is louder and play more frequencies), but it have to last until I get new headphones.
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No, opening the port flap to the headphone jack invalidates the water resistance. As it's been said before, your headphones probably wouldn't survive much water either.
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Xperia Z may be a advertised water resistant phone but when any of it's port covers are open it's the most prone to stationary water.
If you plug in your headphones indoors than it'll be ok , just don't do this under the rain
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it is risky
i think it will not be "waterproof" any more,
it will be at most "water resistant"
sony xperia z handset's various ports, including the one for its headphones, all feature protective plastic covers that must be unclipped before they can be accessed. - so dont even try ur phone with headset in rain, rather attending a calls and reading messages with ports closed.
source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-CES-2013-The-phone-use-bath-drop-toilet.html
So, the general guess is that it:
loses its waterproofness if I plug in the headphones mid-rain?
...and...
is water-resistant as long as I plug in the headphones when it's not raining?*
* Read: meaning that it won't take damage from getting a drop or two onto the output jack when something is connected
Mail sony and who knows you might even get an interesting reply from them - and can share it to earn brief fame among tech blogs
But u still can buy Sony's waterproof headphones, which cost £60 and go on sale next month
And take a shower safely while listening some music
ljubisa_sk said:
But u still can buy Sony's waterproof headphones, which cost £60 and go on sale next month
And take a shower safely while listening some music
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Do you have a link to it on their website? Couldn't find it for some reason!
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i think you guys are confused about waterproof and water resistance.
heres an article http://boyslife.org/outdoors/askgearguy/9135/waterproof-or-water-resistant/
mainly the xperia z is not a gadget where you could operate under water. thats why there are videos out there of xperia z when you pour water on it the screen starts to act up as if someone is pressing the buttons.
taking a phone to operate under water is a whole new level. there is a reason why sony states 1meter under water for maximum 30 mins. IP57 certified - dust and water resistant. technically speaking, its something for like when you accidentally dropped your phone into a bucket of water and quickly pick it up or talk under the rain should be fine since the screen is off when youre in a phone call.
A lot of ‘waterproof’ electronics are IPX7, which means that they will be OK if you accidentally drop them in a stream and get them out immediately.
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from the site
if the 35mm jack hole is water proof then theres no point for sony to design a cover on top of it.
haha would it work if sound was coming out of the speakers instead? haha...
underwater that is...
LitoNi said:
mainly the xperia z is not a gadget where you could operate under water. thats why there are videos out there of xperia z when you pour water on it the screen starts to act up as if someone is pressing the buttons.
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Any specific reason for it doing so? I've read that it has something to do with it being capacitive, but not completely sure what that actually means in this context.
ninetwozero said:
Any specific reason for it doing so? I've read that it has something to do with it being capacitive, but not completely sure what that actually means in this context.
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This is generally the case with all capacitive touchscreens.
Capacitive touch screens work by using a thin grid of conductive materials on the screen to sense touches from conductive materials, like your finger. Water, obviously being highly conductive, messes it up quite badly.
This is why you generally can't use any capacitive touchscreen when it's wet; even a drop will usually make the screen freak out and sense touches that aren't being made.
I heard that the XZ has some tech that helps it sense fingers over drops of water (ie, just taken out of water), but it's probably not smart enough to handle being completely submerged. That would be my guess.
theindievisual said:
This is generally the case with all capacitive touchscreens.
Capacitive touch screens work by using a thin grid of conductive materials on the screen to sense touches from conductive materials, like your finger. Water, obviously being highly conductive, messes it up quite badly.
This is why you generally can't use any capacitive touchscreen when it's wet; even a drop will usually make the screen freak out and sense touches that aren't being made.
I heard that the XZ has some tech that helps it sense fingers over drops of water (ie, just taken out of water), but it's probably not smart enough to handle being completely submerged. That would be my guess.
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Completely right.
Over all taking pictures under water will be great option with this phone,
But I'm interested what if water finds a way into the device will the guaranty be void then?
ljubisa_sk said:
Over all taking pictures under water will be great option with this phone,
But I'm interested what if water finds a way into the device will the guaranty be void then?
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Probably, yes, as you'd have to prove the you had put on all the lids and things like that.
why there's no one think this way!!
get a bluetooth waterproof headset and you can listening your music under the rain (even without using umbrella)..
Hi all,
My Xperia has not been in water since 4 days ago, but my sound is still muffled.
It got a bit better over the last few days, but it is still pretty bad.
I tried everything, a stream of water (and drying it!), laying it in rice, salt...
Even using a hoover like in one video on youtube.
I still have my warranty, so taking it to get repaired is an option, but I would prefer if there is a way to clean it. I don't believe that the guys can repair the phone in such way that I could be waterproof again and I doubt that I will get a new phone if I bring this one in.
For you to get an idea how bad it is, I recorded a video with my TF101 and I measured the loudness using a Samsung Galaxy Mini and Sound Meter from the Play Store.
lujo_zgb said:
Even using a hoover like in one video on youtube.
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Fail. Anything suggested from this point forth is pointless imo as you may have seriously damaged your speaker, so would just get it straight to a Service Centre.
XperienceD said:
Fail. Anything suggested from this point forth is pointless imo as you may have seriously damaged your speaker, so would just get it straight to a Service Centre.
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True. But never rule out that the climate might not be appropriate for drying it, but yeah, anything besides letting it dry on it's own and rebooting that you listed (besides the rice which seems.... odd....) will actually damage the speaker. I live in AU where it's fairly dry and all i have to do after my phone's been submerged for 10-20 mins is let it dry. personally, i play games that'll strain the phone to heat the internals up, usually helps it dry faster. Otherwise try a hairdryer on low to heat up the phone physically.
To make things clear, the hoover was not on full power. It was not even on 30%. I used it to get maybe some lint or dust out, not to dry it off. Also tried the hairdryer on slow speed and medium temperature, but it didnt help.
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my phone had the same fault.
Sony (Sbe Ltd repair centre) couldnt fix it so they sent me a replacement
...which ive just received back covered in scuffs, scratches and with dirt surrounding most of the screen.
****ing ridiculous. Sorry, but it's stupid.
edit: mine was without any water contact at all... so maybe different fault
USA Today have an article (here) where the reviewer was testing the S4 Active. Right after he dunk the phone underwater, the phone have WATER DAMAGE:
Shortly after I took the phone for a dip (in not very deep water), the display went kaput — at least for several hours. It lit up just long enough to indicate that I had power, but I couldn't actually keep the display on and use it.
Roughly a day later, the screen came alive again, but the phone was still exhibiting finicky behavior, presumably because of water damage. The touch-screen was messed up and the device acted as if headphones were plugged in when they weren't. If this were my actual phone, I'd return to the store for a replacement.
I just got the S4 Active and thought I am not planning to take the phone for a long underwater activities, I am concerned that I am getting a phone that have a very weak water resistant feature.
Not sure if this is because the reviewer didn't "properly" close the battery cover / USB port, but I have seen S4 Active review and Samsung Event videos where the phone was submerged in water for a long time and it still works.
PS: Have ANYONE tried to dunk their phone in the water for testing?
My phone has been in a pool, lake, bathtub, rainy weather, all since I got it. I trust it.
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I'd like to think that reviewer just got stuck with a bad unit.
But this begs the question: Is water damage covered under warranty? Either by AT&T or Samsung? Surely they should back up their "vacation-proof" phone..
aceownstheworld said:
My phone has been in a pool, lake, bathtub, rainy weather, all since I got it. I trust it.
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My first one went into the pool just fine. The unit I have now I am scared to expose it. On the top between the glass and bezel there is a small gap... above the in call speaker.... I'm afraid that water will pour in through that... Can you look at yours and see if yours is like that?
He probably didn't press down the back cover correctly.
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joshuadjohnson22 said:
My first one went into the pool just fine. The unit I have now I am scared to expose it. On the top between the glass and bezel there is a small gap... above the in call speaker.... I'm afraid that water will pour in through that... Can you look at yours and see if yours is like that?
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You mean between the earpiece and the bezel at the front? I don't see any gaps, at least not with my naked eyes.
On the back, bottom part near the speaker, I don't see it either. Trying to press to see if there is a gap, so far none.
What makes you "scared" on the phone that you have now?
robstunner said:
He probably didn't press down the back cover correctly.
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There is a sticker on the back cover that provide a warning for the user to PRESS DOWN on the middle of the cover, underneath the LED.
I always do that, but I never hear a "click" or any indication that the back cover is now PROPERLY covering the phone to prevent water leakage.
Well, I DO hear the click when pressing on all sides, but that's normal like my Galaxy Note.
lanwarrior said:
You mean between the earpiece and the bezel at the front? I don't see any gaps, at least not with my naked eyes.
On the back, bottom part near the speaker, I don't see it either. Trying to press to see if there is a gap, so far none.
What makes you "scared" on the phone that you have now?
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Yeah on the front top. I just think water will easily get in the phone...
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I've used this phone below the 1 meter mark and the only bad side effect I get is the microphone not working well for a bit afterwords, which happens really at any level of exposure. This phone is pretty safe in water if you use it correctly.
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...the only bad side effect I get is the microphone not working well for a bit afterwords...
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That is pretty bad. I mean, I am not going snorkeling and take a phone call while floating on the shore, but if somebody calls me and I CANNOT talk to them because the microphone does not work, that is a big problem.
I am actually wondering how does the phone protects the microphone, earphone and speaker? There are holes there and water can go in. I was considering the Xperia Z and so far the only problem with water issue is the microphone jack - the phone will think that the jack have a headphone but it's only water. However, that is easily fixable by drying it out. I.e. use tissue or something that goes inside the jack.
Microphone though, the holes are to tiny to "dry" with a tissue or something.
BTW, is the microphone STOPS working completely or it works again after a FEW DAYS?
Maybe I can ask those who read this thread to tell me if:
A). You HAVE tested your phone under water (splashing it, dunking it in a bowl of water)
B). What ISSUE you have after you did the above? Phone dead, microphone stops working, etc.
I am trying to get a sense if this is just a specific batch issue (I can replace the phone) or design issue (no matter what, the issue still exists).
If it really was then it would have lifetime warranty. The fact that it only has 1 year warranty like most of the phones tells me that after year 1 be ready to say bye bye to your baby
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lanwarrior said:
Maybe I can ask those who read this thread to tell me if:
A). You HAVE tested your phone under water (splashing it, dunking it in a bowl of water)
B). What ISSUE you have after you did the above? Phone dead, microphone stops working, etc.
I am trying to get a sense if this is just a specific batch issue (I can replace the phone) or design issue (no matter what, the issue still exists).
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Decided to take mine in the shower to test after it got here.
I let the showerhead spray onto the phone, both front and back. Nothing wrong.
Like other people reported, the speaker volume gets significantly lower when wet and goes back to normal within a half hour. Also if the headphone port gets water in it it will errenously display that "headphones are connected" which blowing into the port will fix.
thatbigmoose said:
Decided to take mine in the shower to test after it got here.
I let the showerhead spray onto the phone, both front and back. Nothing wrong.
Like other people reported, the speaker volume gets significantly lower when wet and goes back to normal within a half hour. Also if the headphone port gets water in it it will errenously display that "headphones are connected" which blowing into the port will fix.
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This is useful! BTW, you haven't test submerging the phone, have you?
maldinimi said:
If it really was then it would have lifetime warranty. The fact that it only has 1 year warranty like most of the phones tells me that after year 1 be ready to say bye bye to your baby
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No it won't, because all things mechanical / electronics break downs eventually - nothing last forever. Even mil-spec stuff does not have a "lifetime" warranty.
lanwarrior said:
This is useful! BTW, you haven't test submerging the phone, have you?
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I haven't submersed it yet but there's videos on YouTube with submersion and it brings about the same issues I discussed.
Higher water pressure will clog the mic membrane and make you sound distant in phone calls.
Maybe I'll build up the courage to dunk it tomorrow.
I did the dunk test the night after I got it by fully submerging it in a cup of water...worked just fine afterwards...although I was showing a friend that didn't believe that I had a "water proof/resistant" phone by putting it in the sink and letting water run over it and had an issue with the phone thinking the headphones were plugged in.only did it for about an hour...weird thing was that it didn't start doing it until about 2 hours after it had been wet. Although once it fully dried I haven't had any issues at all with it. Hope this helps.
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lanwarrior said:
That is pretty bad. I mean, I am not going snorkeling and take a phone call while floating on the shore, but if somebody calls me and I CANNOT talk to them because the microphone does not work, that is a big problem.
I am actually wondering how does the phone protects the microphone, earphone and speaker? There are holes there and water can go in. I was considering the Xperia Z and so far the only problem with water issue is the microphone jack - the phone will think that the jack have a headphone but it's only water. However, that is easily fixable by drying it out. I.e. use tissue or something that goes inside the jack.
Microphone though, the holes are to tiny to "dry" with a tissue or something.
BTW, is the microphone STOPS working completely or it works again after a FEW DAYS?
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Maybe leave the phone in the sun for a few minutes to dry? Blow on it? Several things help get the water out. But honestly, how often are you going to go swimming with a phone and then take a call immediately afterwards? I'd be thrilled that my phone didn't fry after it fell in the pool, I could care less that the microphone doesn't work for an hour - that's what bluetooth headsets are for.
Anyways, I've had my phone submerged in a sink with running water twice now, the only issues I've found is that after removing the back cover there is water on the outside of the rubber gasket, which looks normal, but I would recommend taking the back off to dry it out after exposed to water.
When i took mine into the pool I made a phone call right after and they said I sounded funny so i blew in the mic and it cleared the water out and they could hear me fine....
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But honestly, how often are you going to go swimming with a phone and then take a call immediately afterwards?
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Not very often, but when I DO need to take that call, it will be a big problem. This is a phone after all.
I don't think I will purposely take the phone for a swim, but the reason I bought the Active instead of the S4 is because of the water/sand protection and want to confirm it works. If it doesn't, then I'll exchange the phone to a normal S4 because it's thinner.
However, based on your response and others, it seems it does offer those protection to a certain degree and the ONLY issue is that the mic may get covered with water and cause the caller not being able to hear me, but this is easily fixed QUICKLY.
So I noticed this morning that the silver ring around my headphone jack is gone, I never dropped it so I really don't know how it is missing. Does it affect waterproofing, it looks like u can see down into the phone through the space. I posted a kind of crappy pic from my laptop cam and a pic from gsmarena to show what it should look like. Anyone has a clue if this affects waterproofing?
Maybe but since we dont know it will keep the seal of the jack. Sony design and seal jack tight using glue so I think they do not affect waterproof capable...
Same issue here, mine phone is Z2, the silver ring has gone too. The Sony staff told me that may break the waterproof feature. :crying::crying:
Or have you try it out by putting it into water?
I think its better not to put ur phone into water still its unsure wether its safe or not.
Better go to sony centre and ask them bout it
HI all. The front glass of my z3c vibrates a lot when using the loud speaker. I'm afraid that in the long run, the glass will break. I wonder if this is related to all of the "self cracking glass" issues that this phone has!? Any idea guys?
i listen to music and watch a lot of videos everyday on my speakers. My z3c also vibrates a lot, but dont worry it wont break that easily. The self-cracking problem happened to a small batch of devices (as far as i know) so you should be fine. My phone actually fell down from about 1,5 meters on concrete with no protection on in and it didn't break not even a scratch.
So don't worry this device may look fragile, but believe me it can take a punch