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Hi all,
I am supposed to receive my nexus 7 tomorrow.
I just cant decide on whether I should root or no.
I can say for sure that I do not plan to change roms, I only want to root in order to use storage via usb-otg (also not sure I will use it eventually).
I do know that I want to receive OTA updates and that's why I don't like the idea of rooting.
Any suggestions?
Thanks a lot!
Asaf
Yes you should root it if you want to use usb-otg. I decided not to root mine on day one and now I'm looking for a method that won't erase everthing on my device. So if you see yourself needing that in the future do it now rather than later .
shemsha said:
Hi all,
I am supposed to receive my nexus 7 tomorrow.
I just cant decide on whether I should root or no.
I can say for sure that I do not plan to change roms, I only want to root in order to use storage via usb-otg (also not sure I will use it eventually).
I do know that I want to receive OTA updates and that's why I don't like the idea of rooting.
Any suggestions?
Thanks a lot!
Asaf
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This is a Nexus device which makes to easy to root and unroot..
If an OTA comes out you can be unrooted and back stock in a matter of minutes..
Oddly, I have had no reason or desire to root my N7 and I even put my GNex back stock...
If you do root, do it before you install all kinds of stuff. You have to reset to root. Not sure how the Google credit works, but you might want to register the device, get the credit, then root. Just in case.
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I was reluctant to root or not. CM10 is only a preview, other roms not much better than stock, I don't need OTG, so why root? For one crucial app: TITANIUM BACKUP. When you unlock and root everything is wiped!
My suggestion is unlock the bootloader right away since that part wipes data, then root when (and if) you decide to download an app that needs root access.
Easier to Root now rather than later. Rooting requires you to wipe losing all apps and settings.
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Yes. First thing I always do on a Nexus device is unlock and root. It's just as easy to lock it again and flash the stock rom if ever needed.
I would unlock the bootloader at a minimum, before you set anything up, as that action will wipe data. If you decide to root later on you'll be in great shape.
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Might be better to wait and see if any problems arise with the device first?
I rooted mine using the One click root tool, very easy.
Got to be worth it to install ad block and sixaxis.
Like others have said, at the very minimum, unlock the bootloader (a prerequisite for rooting) right away. If you decide to unlock it later you'll have to wipe the device.
Absolutely. Just make sure you bookmark (in the cloud) how to unroot before you root (including restoring stock bootloader). It would also be smart to read what issues other folks have had, and what they did to solve their problems. (In short, always have a concrete, detailed exit plan before you start something.)
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shaneydroid said:
Might be better to wait and see if any problems arise with the device first?
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That is an excellent point I am very anzy ( think I killed that word) to unlock and root but I want to give it atleast a week to make sure there are no kinks, dead pixels or anything that would require me to return it but so far so good on my first day. I bought Titu with the $25 credit forgetting that it requires root lol but it's all good becuase now I have it for my Vivid but to use six axis you need root as well.
shaneydroid said:
Might be better to wait and see if any problems arise with the device first?
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clago87 said:
That is an excellent point I anzy ( think I killed that word) to unlock and root but I want to give it atleast a week to make sure there are no kinks, dead pixels or anything that would require me to return it but so far so good on my first day. I bought Titu with the $25 credit forgetting that it requires root lol but it's all good becuase now I have it for my Vivid but to use six axis you need root as well.
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Other than checking out the basic functions, I wouldn't bother waiting. The device is designed to be unlocked so it is not a hardware warranty issue and that is what you would be returning the device for. If you plan on having root, you need root to test the things you will be using it for.
Plus, it then allows you to back up the device so that if you do have to get another one, it is a very simple process to restore your backup and be back up and running (one of the primary reasons for root)
krelvinaz said:
Other than checking out the basic functions, I wouldn't bother waiting. The device is designed to be unlocked so it is not a hardware warranty issue and that is what you would be returning the device for. If you plan on having root, you need root to test the things you will be using it for.
Plus, it then allows you to back up the device so that if you do have to get another one, it is a very simple process to restore your backup and be back up and running (one of the primary reasons for root)
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I am actually glad to be at work for once. I am very easily swayed and am ready to unlock and root lol. I have read all the info on it and it does not seem too much of a burden compared to my atrix
I'm kind of confused, do I unlocked the bootlocker first or install 4.1.1 updates?
If I install then unlock, would the updates be gone?
Would I be able to update even after unlock and root?
i rooted even though i had already installed apps etc... its very handy to be able to use external storage and apps like titanium backup.. i dont really intend installing customs roms.. but the otg support was enough to warrant rooting for me
You can backup and restore your device with ADB. Backup, unlock, restore. You don't have to lose everything to root it later on.
hydroxyde said:
You can backup and restore your device with ADB. Backup, unlock, restore. You don't have to lose everything to root it later on.
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Yep was just about to say this, picked this method up in the OneX forums, life saver
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Hello!
Recently jumped shipped to AT&T moto x and am absolutely loving it. I was perusing around the forum, and really wanted to ask some questions on a specific thread but due to the fear and anxiety of sounding dumb and wasting everyone else's time, I'm just posting a question here hoping that even stupid questions are answered with lots of love. I'm pretty comfortable with rooting, flashing.....aka I'm really good at following instructions, but would really like to expand my knowledge further and am having difficult time getting the explanations I need. SO, hoping some kind soul on here with AT&T Moto X will answer my questions in one shot.
Since my Moto X automatically updated with the new camera update via OTA when I got it four days ago, I was able to successfully root it using JCase's new RockMyMoto method. So, now I'm rooted - great. Everything is set up perfectly the way I want. Then now I find out that AT&T 4.4 is leaked, meaning it's probably going to be ready for an OTA update in the near future (I'm not planning on using the leaked one). So my questions are as follows...
1. I'm going to keep mine rooted until AT&T has 4.4 available for OTA update. Can I simply just run that update when it's available (which will break the root), then just re-root it when that's also available (which it seems like will be rather soon according to Jcase's tweet...)? Or will running the OTA update on my rooted moto x cause more issues other than simply breaking the root? Should I be going back to stock, get the OTA update, THEN re-root it?
2. My understanding is that AT&T boot loader is still locked down...so to my limited knowledge, this means I'm not able to make a NANDROID back up using CWM...am I wrong here in any way? Is there a way to make a NANDROID-like back up (which I used to back in S3 days) without having my bootloader unlocked?
3. Tethering...I was able to use FoxFi fine on my S3 (I got that good old granfathered unlimited data plan....), but it does not seem to work on my new Moto X. Is there any known work around for this? I have Titanium Backup Pro as well, so thought I could maybe just freeze the tether provision or w/e by AT&T but seems like I'm also somehow misunderstanding that there as no such thing seems to exist.
Thanks,
Yoondroid
I can only respond to your first question. You can not take an ota while rooted. The exploit breaks the stock recovery. In order to take the update, you'll have to fastboot the factory images to revert to an in rooted state and then accept the ota. It's really easy and only takes a few minutes... Assuming you have adb set up and know how to use it, if not, an hour or so if searching and reading will get you up to speed.
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theraffman said:
I can only respond to your first question. You can not take an ota while rooted. The exploit breaks the stock recovery. In order to take the update, you'll have to fastboot the factory images to revert to an in rooted state and then accept the ota. It's really easy and only takes a few minutes... Assuming you have adb set up and know how to use it, if not, an hour or so if searching and reading will get you up to speed.
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You can also just flash the recovery.img back and take the OTA update while rooted.
You can install safestrap to make a backup and WiFi tether root works with some minor changes there's a thread somewhere.
Hmm, thanks guys I'll be checking out/learning more about the fastboot option
As for tethering, I've found some good information though for the first option, I haven't figured out a way to patch the at&t apk OP posted in his thread. Seems like quite the ingenious work around though, so hopefully I'll be able to figure it out soon! The second option seems to be a quick work around to get tethering to work, but seems way less secure...and I'll be using tethering to do work which I prefer to be on a much secure network, so we'll see.
First (tricking the phone to think it's not an at&t phone when turning on tethering in native app): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2443562
Second: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2449534&page=3
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You can also just flash the recovery.img back and take the OTA update while rooted.
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just so the OP is led astray, if you only flash the recovery.img and you have made changes to your system apps or anything in the /system then you won't be able to take the ota and it will likely through you into a BL. If you don't know what you have changed, then go ahead and flash the system.img as well as recovery and you will be good to go. If you know what you changed then uninstall all of your root apps and change everything you change in the /system back to how it was and take the ota (after flashing recovery.img of coarse).
here is a great guide to adb stuff for you as well that got me started. still go back to it for reference occasionally. its a little old but it is still good.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=872128
if i update my moto x dev edition will it break foxfi. i see they just updated to 4.4 but im scared to do it hate having to use the bluetooth connection.
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if i update my moto x dev edition will it break foxfi. i see they just updated to 4.4 but im scared to do it hate having to use the bluetooth connection.
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Since you have the developer edition, are you rooted? If so, why not use the stock framework tether? You can use the Xposed module, or the Entitlement Check remover.
Also, if you are rooted, you can use the latest experimental build of WiFi Tether for Root Users.
Is there a specific reason you are wanting to use FoxFi? The only reason I can imagine is that you are not rooted.....but if you aren't rooted, why did you get the Developer Edition?
@trinniboy68,
I agree with @samwathegreat. If you have a Dev Edition, why not unlock your bootloader and root? It doesn't void your warranty on the Dev Edition. And its pretty easy on the Dev Edition.
If you root, and all you want to do is Tether, then to make taking future OTA's easier, I suggest using Wifi Tether For Root app (See my notes about setup at the bootom of THIS PAGE. )
Another option is [APP][MOD][Root]Hotspot Entitlement Bypass v1.1 5/9/2014, but it does make changes to the build.prop, and while it undoes them, I haven't tested to see if it changes the checksum of the build.prop when it reverts its changes(if it does, that would get in the way of future OTA's)
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KidJoe said:
@trinniboy68,
I agree with @samwathegreat. If you have a Dev Edition, why not unlock your bootloader and root? It doesn't void your warranty on the Dev Edition. And its pretty easy on the Dev Edition.
If you root, and all you want to do is Tether, then to make taking future OTA's easier, I suggest using Wifi Tether For Root app (See my notes about setup at the bootom of THIS PAGE. )
Another option is [APP][MOD][Root]Hotspot Entitlement Bypass v1.1 5/9/2014, but it does make changes to the build.prop, and while it undoes them, I haven't tested to see if it changes the checksum of the build.prop when it reverts its changes(if it does, that would get in the way of future OTA's)
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i have an unlocked bootloader. havent rooted yet cause i like the features of the moto are there roms that will dupl. the stock moto. i have verizon unlimited internet so need the ability to wifi link to my computer. as i am on the road a lot and its more secure to use my own wifi than someone elses. having a mac there arent any hacks for my phone, the one i did find the dev. isnt supporting it yet and bricking my phone i cant take right now as im fairly new to this. i rooted my s3
trinniboy68 said:
i have an unlocked bootloader. havent rooted yet cause i like the features of the moto are there roms that will dupl. the stock moto. i have verizon unlimited internet so need the ability to wifi link to my computer. as i am on the road a lot and its more secure to use my own wifi than someone elses. having a mac there arent any hacks for my phone, the one i did find the dev. isnt supporting it yet and bricking my phone i cant take right now as im fairly new to this. i rooted my s3
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No 'hacks' for your phone? The entire android SDK is available for MAC. We have several users here who have flashed their phones 100% with MAC.
If you download the MAC Toolkit, it includes everything you need, even though it isn't supported by its devs anymore. You just won't use any of the scripts (that's all that no longer supported). Also, since you have the DEV edition, you WON'T lose your warranty by rooting it. It's HIGHLY unlikely you will brick your phone unless you do something totally stupid that is well documented here (like: you NEVER downgrade or flash older firmwares/versions on your Moto X - this is one of the few ways you can brick it).
Since you have already unlocked the BL, all you would do is fastboot flash TWRP recovery, and it will root for you. Then you can use either method that @KidJoe and I have suggested for you. There honestly isn't much at all you can mess up.
Additionally, once you install TWRP, you can take a full backup that you could restore in the event of a problem. PLUS the SBF images are available, so even without a backup your phone could still be restored back to stock.
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i have an unlocked bootloader. havent rooted yet cause i like the features of the moto are there roms that will dupl. the stock moto. i have verizon unlimited internet so need the ability to wifi link to my computer. as i am on the road a lot and its more secure to use my own wifi than someone elses. having a mac there arent any hacks for my phone, the one i did find the dev. isnt supporting it yet and bricking my phone i cant take right now as im fairly new to this. i rooted my s3
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Some of these sentences run together, so If I miss anything, I'm sorry.
Rooting wont remove any features of the stock Moto roms. As far as "other roms" duplicating stock, I haven't run anything but the stock rom. While there are "alternates" (like CM) if they are NOT based on stock, they will not have the Moto specific features like active display, always on listening (OK google now....), etc.
I have unlimited data too. I purchased the Dev X since I was going to have to buy an X at full retail because I wanted to keep my Unlimited (and be able to root without waiting on vulnerabilities/exploits).
All I've done is unlocked the bootloader, to root I just flashed TWRP recovery, and installed SuperSU (see -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/step-step-instructions-unlocking-t2649738 although the TWRP and SuperSU versions linked are a little out of date now, they still work on 4.4 and 4.4.2). Then I use Wifi Tether for Root as mentioned earlier, greenify, Root Explorer, Quick Boot (reboot), Adree and not really much else that needs root, and no extra tweaks/hacks. In other words, I run stock, but rooted, with a few apps that need ROOT access, and nothing else modified on my phone.
The tools to flash the stock SBF files are RSDLite and mFastboot. Rsdlite is a GUI tool that flashes the full SBF/XML file, all commands, in like a batch mode. mFastboot is a command line tool that allows you to flash parts/pieces one at a time. I don't know if there is an RSDlite for Mac OS, but there is an mFastboot. So if you mess your phone up badly enough, you can usually recover with the stock images. (the only note being DO NOT DOWNGRADE your ROM!! for more see -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-Downgrade.htm )
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KidJoe said:
Some of these sentences run together, so If I miss anything, I'm sorry.
Rooting wont remove any features of the stock Moto roms. As far as "other roms" duplicating stock, I haven't run anything but the stock rom. While there are "alternates" (like CM) if they are NOT based on stock, they will not have the Moto specific features like active display, always on listening (OK google now....), etc.
I have unlimited data too. I purchased the Dev X since I was going to have to buy an X at full retail because I wanted to keep my Unlimited (and be able to root without waiting on vulnerabilities/exploits).
All I've done is unlocked the bootloader, to root I just flashed TWRP recovery, and installed SuperSU (see -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/step-step-instructions-unlocking-t2649738 although the TWRP and SuperSU versions linked are a little out of date now, they still work on 4.4 and 4.4.2). Then I use Wifi Tether for Root as mentioned earlier, greenify, Root Explorer, Quick Boot (reboot), Adree and not really much else that needs root, and no extra tweaks/hacks. In other words, I run stock, but rooted, with a few apps that need ROOT access, and nothing else modified on my phone.
The tools to flash the stock SBF files are RSDLite and mFastboot. Rsdlite is a GUI tool that flashes the full SBF/XML file, all commands, in like a batch mode. mFastboot is a command line tool that allows you to flash parts/pieces one at a time. I don't know if there is an RSDlite for Mac OS, but there is an mFastboot. So if you mess your phone up badly enough, you can usually recover with the stock images. (the only note being DO NOT DOWNGRADE your ROM!! for more see -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-Downgrade.htm )
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thank you for the info
Hi, long time lurker here. I want to start by saying how great and informative this site is. Anyway, my nexus 6 came in from the mail like 5 hours ago, did all the updates from 5.0 to 6.0 and it's now running Marshmallow mra58n. Question is should I root it immediately and if so, are there any guides I can follow? Much love to you all, I'm not exactly pro at this kind of things but I can follow instructions since I have competently rooted my past phones which were an HTC M7, M8 and a Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet.
Thank you.
Edit: Phone is also unlocked, I currently have no SIM card
start here..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/how-to-nexus-6-one-beginners-guide-t2948481
At the least unlock the bootloader right away. Doing so will completely wipe the phone so it's the first thing I do.
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razortaz18 said:
At the least unlock the bootloader right away. Doing so will completely wipe the phone so it's the first thing I do.
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I've been looking at the Nexus Root Toolkit since I am kind of confused on how to proceed with anything at all, is that ill advised since I've read that there are problems with the USB cable disconnecting during reboot?
Also, thank you for the reply.
I used the NRT without issue. Just follow the guide step by step.
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and, dont touch the usb cable while the phone is processing your commands!
j/k, never even heard of the USB cable "problem"
I just used the toolkit today to unlock and root my N6.
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I rooted last night initially using manual method described in the first link provided, however after some driver issues ultimately used the 2.1.0 rootkit to uninstall and reinstall all drivers. That too alone saved me tons of time and either method is simple if you can follow instructions.
Totally recommend rooting and then experimenting with custom roms, its like getting a new phone everyone you install a new rom.
Have fun!
Kristine,
In answer specifically to your question "Should I...?" my answer is "No". It really depends on what you think you'll get from it - why do you want to do it? What specific benefits do you want?
The reason that I say "no" is that I've been rooted on all my several phones for years, and I've decided that for me the annoyance of having to manually flash ROMs outweighs the benefits - particularly now that Google are releasing frequent security updates. The moment you root your device the OTA (over the air) updates no longer work.
For me the major reason for rooting was to have a firewall. The other things (wakelock detection, double tap to wake, auto-hibernation...) were great but not showstoppers. Now that there is a non-root firewall (Netguard) I'm happy to leave my phone unrooted. I haven't had an OTA to apply yet, so if I have any problems then I might change my mind, but my advice would be to think hard about why you want root before you buy yourself into a world of tinkering...
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At the least unlock the bootloader right away. Doing so will completely wipe the phone so it's the first thing I do.
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Dammit, are you kidding me? I just downloaded and setup everything, figured I'd do all everything else tomorrow... Oh, well I can do it again I suppose.
Kristine-N said:
Question is should I root it immediately....
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Because I don't want a white interface, rooting is necessary. Google forces to many things, like forced encryption, useless apps and a white interface (battery drain). When rooting was impossible I would not have bought a Nexus.
Short answer: No!
Long answer: Well, it's sill no, but you can or even should do a couple of things.
First if all, allow OEM Unlocking in development settings. There are gazillion how-tos to switch developer mode on, and tick that switch. Google has borked OTAs already, and if your phone doesn't boot, and the switch is off, then you're boned, you can send it for repair. But if you can unlock you bootloader, then you can flash a custom recovery and make your phone working again.
Second, if you do plan to root your phone in the near future, you should unlock the bootloader now, while it's still new, because it will erase everything (IMHO this would be sufficient as a security measure, the Enable OEM Unlocking is overkill).
As for the main question if you don't have any specific ideas what you want the root for, then don't root your phone. It's a clear and present security risk, and you're just one too many "Allow" taps from letting someone acquire your passwords, clone your IMEI, and download your personal stuff. My motto is, if you don't know what exactly root is, what it does, then you don't know how to prevent exploits that need it to run.
Also if you modify your phone in any way, and that includes rooting, you won't receive the monthly OTAs, and will have to flash it manually.
And finally, don't use toolkits on a Nexus. Spend another hour reading about the matter and you will find out typing adb and fastboot commands is a easy as clicking buttons on toolkits. There is nothing extra in them, they just download the images to flash, and "type" these commands for you.
Unlock bootloader and don't root it for now. After some time, if you feel like you're missing some features that you can obtain only with root, then go ahead. But for now I would strongly recommend to stay stock and see how it goes...
I'm currently considering unrooting my turbo and relocking the bootloader but am not completely sure how. Looking for confirmation that I'll be doing it right.
1. Flash the fix to remove the unlocked bootloader warning
2. Uninstall all root apps (xposed and superSU)
3. Flash stock recovery
4. Fastboot oem lock
I'm already on the stock mm rom and I think I might have to flash a stock bootloader before the stock recovery, but not sure.
Thanks for any help.
Any reason why? Will be very hard -- almost impossible to unlock it again. OK, very hard.
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1. Flash the fix to remove the unlocked bootloader warning
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THAT should have already been done, when you first unlocked the bootloader.
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Any reason why? Will be very hard -- almost impossible to unlock it again. OK, very hard.
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I'm getting tired of carrying this phone and another for work. I need mobile iron for my emails and haven't found any solution to get it to work while rooted.
And you answered my next question too. Would I be able to unlock it again. If i don't take any updates can't I just follow the same process to unlock and root again?
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I'm getting tired of carrying this phone and another for work. I need mobile iron for my emails and haven't found any solution to get it to work while rooted.
And you answered my next question too. Would I be able to unlock it again. If i don't take any updates can't I just follow the same process to unlock and root again?
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In the beginning you could only use Sunshine one time per phone. I think some others have locked and unlocked, but I'm not sure the process. I think you have to contact Sunshine team? Others can answer if they remember how to do it.
Can you use Magisk to hide root? It seems to work with Android Pay and other stuff.
I'll take a look and give it a shot. Phone has to be encrypted too and from what I read I'm pretty sure I have to unroot for that.
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My phone is encrypted, rooted with Magisk, and I use Outlook for work
Bootloader logos to replace unlocked warning:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=72047829
Choices of TWRP or ADB.
I'm currently using the Dark Google ATAP.
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My phone is encrypted, rooted with Magisk, and I use Outlook for work
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We used to be able to just use outlook, but they switched to touchdown with mobile iron. They don't control it to the fullest, but the permissions it has are ridiculous. They just recently completely disabled smart lock.
I have it set up on a 2nd gen moto x right now and would just swap the numbers but that thing can't do voice and data simultaneously, which I need regularly (gps and phone calls).
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We used to be able to just use outlook, but they switched to touchdown with mobile iron. They don't control it to the fullest, but the permissions it has are ridiculous. They just recently completely disabled smart lock.
I have it set up on a 2nd gen moto x right now and would just swap the numbers but that thing can't do voice and data simultaneously, which I need regularly (gps and phone calls).
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Lame. Well hopefully Magisk can work its magic...sk.