Disclaimer: I've searched the forums day after day and have found nothing that helps me in any way.
Hey guys, I'll get right down to this:
I've got a Moto X VZW MM 32GB, initially shipped with 4.2.2 and running 4.4 as soon as I got it activated.
Everything on the Moto X works great, fluid graphics, fast app opening, battery (for the most part). But I've got a bone to pick with bluetooth, as well as Android OS.
First off, the bluetooth bugs, or what I'd like to call, The Blues.
Problems
- I have Pioneer Premier FH-P800BT, running great for the past 6 months or so. I originally had a Galaxy Nexus from VZW, with CM10.2 on it and bluetooth worked flawlessly, save for an obvious quality issue with phone calls/echo cancellation. A2DP and HSP/HFP would connect immediately as soon as the car came on. With my Moto X, HFP/HSP connects fine on powerup of the radio, but A2DP will not, and my phone shows "Connecting..." in bluetooth settings. When I first pair the phone (or re-pair), all profiles connect and audio works without a hitch. But every time after, it doesn't work that way. I can get around the issue by putting my radio in pair mode and turning on bluetooth, which essentially re-pairs the devices together, and that works. I think the biggest thing is that my radio connects HSP/HFP first, and then A2DP, and the phone is expecting both at the same time, and this causes the glitch I'm having. I haven't FR'd yet because this could be something that a FR won't fix (aka software issue that wasn't fixed by Moto).
- On all bluetooth devices with A2DP, sometimes the quality is great, sometimes it does what I like to call a "stucho" aka a stutter/echo. The best way I can explain it is if you've ever heard a record skip back and keep playing the same part, multiply that by like 100x. Or better example, for you Galaxy Nexus users (other phones too, if they do it) when your phone would freeze from being overloaded, and it ultimately crashed (non responsive to anything, screen won't come on, or maybe stuck on) and the audio get's hung. The sound does that on the Moto X, but it continues playing the track without pausing/skipping. It's extremely annoying, and mostly occurs when surfaceflinger is active (I'd assume that's what it is), as it's when anything animation-wise caused by user input occurs. I've also had the audio deteriorate in the same manner, but after it does the weird stucho effect, the audio slows down a bit, noticeable, like, listening to "We Found Love" by Rihanna sounded like a man singing it, and then it will speed up and go too fast after about a minute, and then resume normal playback. Despite completely pausing on my Galaxy Nexus, that phone never did have the audio issues this Moto X does, and it occurs on every A2DP device I've tried (BMW iDrive, Hyundai Sonata factory radio, Philips SBT series, my Pioneer headunit).
Second issue I'm having: Android OS
- I've tried ART and running Dalvik as the runtime, and on both, after weeks of running them, I notice that throughout the day, 3-4% battery drain per hour, with nothing in recent apps, wifi on, and all VZW software except for backup assistant disabled. I'm not complaining because I tend to make it to the end of the day with 2 1/2 hours SOT and and about 10% left on battery, but I'm curious as to why it's not making it any further. I don't have much installed. Dropbox, Facebook, Exchange account, Wallet, and other programs that don't run in the background (OS Monitor, Dots (game), etc). While my SOT can show 2 1/2 hours, it's only taking like 35% of the battery while Android OS shows like 20% or more, and shows CPU time around 1:45 hrs.
Any insight on either of these issues would be appreciated. I love the phone, everything else is perfect, but these 2 things are kinda irking me because I know this isn't the way the phone should be operating, moreso with the bluetooth bug.
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My Bluetooth works fine on my old Motorola visor mount device...music and stuff goes through my radio.
As far as battery goes....go to the general section and read the "how's your battery life " thread. Every bit of troubleshooting and issues is already there.
Good luck!
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Glad to hear that yours is working great, mine usually does. I'll also add that call quality is top notch over bluetooth, much cleaner than on my Gnex. It's just A2DP sometimes will do the above mentioned, and it's so annoying. Using the headphone jack it is fine, it's specific to bluetooth.
As for battery tips, I've tried a good portion, short of rooting the device and greenifying it. I ran my Gnex forever, and I kid you not, swapped/flashed at least 60 roms, so I know what I'm doing in terms of de-bloat and rooting and such, but if not for these bugs, I'd be happy with the phone itself.
Thanks for the tips though I'll look, but in the mean time, anybody else ever noticed what I'm talking about?
kj2112 said:
My Bluetooth works fine on my old Motorola visor mount device...music and stuff goes through my radio.
As far as battery goes....go to the general section and read the "how's your battery life " thread. Every bit of troubleshooting and issues is already there.
Good luck!
Sent from my Moto X cellular telephone...
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I don't have stutter/echo problems but after taking a call on it and trying to go back to music the app acts like it is playing but no music is heard. I have to cycle BT on/off or cycle the power on the adapter. This is on a car adapter, the Kinivo BTC450. The adapter was flawless with an iPhone 5s and pretty good with a nexus 5. I am hoping it is 4.4 bugs and 4.4.2 will clear it up. It is supposed to launch Feb. 1 in Europe with 4.4.2 so hopefully we'll all see an update. I'm tinkering with the idea of going back to 4.2.2 to see if it is any better.
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Well, I've solved 2 of the 3 problems I was having. Android OS no longer takes over my battery, and thankfully, more people today had posted that Snapchat was a battery hog on 4.4 (or on any OS version for that matter). And I wasn't just hallucinating, considering at 50% battery, SOT was ~ 1 hr while Android OS showed like almost 2 hours of being active, and percentages were like 33-35% for SOT, and 20-25% for Android OS. So I think now that 33mins of SOT at 90% battery and Android OS only showing 5% usage, issue's resolved
Bluetooth stuttering was seemingly with all audio services on my phone, but after I tinkered, I found anything that passed through the built-in EQ was stuttering when surfaceflinger was active. And oddly enough, only with bluetooth, and not even all the time. So in short, disabling the EQ on the phone seems to have fixed the weird jerking/echo/stucho sound period. I'll test a bit further, but so far that seems to be good.
Did a bit more testing in regards to A2DP issues, and found that in a newer Sonata (2013 Limited) the factory bluetooth links to A2DP and HSP/HFP within 30 seconds and both work properly. In my car though (Sentra) with an aftermarket Pioneer headunit (model number in the 1st post) the headunit must connect in a different matter, as HSP/HFP always connects immediately but A2DP tries to connect and it fails out. I have to re-pair the phone to the headunit each time to get both to pair properly. I'll test more with this but for now, this is still a bug, hopefully 4.4.2 will fix these issues.
So disabling the audio effects in the audio menu fixed the stuttering for you? Going to give that a sit tomorrow as well as uninstalling snap chat
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I can confirm that for the past 2 days, with the Audio Effects/EQ disabled, I have no stutter with audio over bluetooth, it plays much smoother now. Also, uninstalling Snapchat has 100% resolved my Android OS battery drain. I was only getting an hour and a half of SOT with 30% battery left before, and now I successfully hit 50% battery with right at 2 hours SOT, so it's definitely made a huge difference. That's with dropbox, exchange account, facebook, and a few other random apps running. Worth a shot to see if it really does it for you, but YMMV
murso74 said:
So disabling the audio effects in the audio menu fixed the stuttering for you? Going to give that a sit tomorrow as well as uninstalling snap chat
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balleron24z said:
Did a bit more testing in regards to A2DP issues, and found that in a newer Sonata (2013 Limited) the factory bluetooth links to A2DP and HSP/HFP within 30 seconds and both work properly. In my car though (Sentra) with an aftermarket Pioneer headunit (model number in the 1st post) the headunit must connect in a different matter, as HSP/HFP always connects immediately but A2DP tries to connect and it fails out. I have to re-pair the phone to the headunit each time to get both to pair properly. I'll test more with this but for now, this is still a bug, hopefully 4.4.2 will fix these issues.
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Any resolution on this? I have the exact same problem with my Pioneer head unit. So annoying having to repair every time!
Only problem I'm having with Bluetooth in my car is that incoming phone calls break my audio connection. Instead of resuming, the audio ceases and i have to unpair and repair to get my audio back.
balleron24z said:
A2DP and HSP/HFP would connect immediately as soon as the car came on. With my Moto X, HFP/HSP connects fine on powerup of the radio, but A2DP will not, and my phone shows "Connecting..." in bluetooth settings. When I first pair the phone (or re-pair), all profiles connect and audio works without a hitch. But every time after, it doesn't work that way. I can get around the issue by putting my radio in pair mode and turning on bluetooth, which essentially re-pairs the devices together, and that works. I think the biggest thing is that my radio connects HSP/HFP first, and then A2DP, and the phone is expecting both at the same time, and this causes the glitch I'm having. I haven't FR'd yet because this could be something that a FR won't fix (aka software issue that wasn't fixed by Moto).
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I am experiencing a similar bug.
Subaru Outback 2013 with Navigation (Fujitsu-10). I can pair the device just fine, but the automatic connection doesn't work at all. It will just say "Automatic connection has failed" on the navigation screen, and no indication on the phone.
That is what happens when I turn on the car when the phone has Bluetooth already enabled.
If I turn bluetooth off and back on again, it connects.
If I go into the bluetooth menu and tap CAR MULTIMEDIA, it connects.
The only thing that doesn't work is the *automatic* connection.
Like you, I previously had a Samsung Galaxy Nexus. I was running CM 10.2 and CM11 on it, both worked perfectly well with Bluetooth in the car.
Se7enLC said:
I am experiencing a similar bug.
Subaru Outback 2013 with Navigation (Fujitsu-10). I can pair the device just fine, but the automatic connection doesn't work at all. It will just say "Automatic connection has failed" on the navigation screen, and no indication on the phone.
That is what happens when I turn on the car when the phone has Bluetooth already enabled.
If I turn bluetooth off and back on again, it connects.
If I go into the bluetooth menu and tap CAR MULTIMEDIA, it connects.
The only thing that doesn't work is the *automatic* connection.
Like you, I previously had a Samsung Galaxy Nexus. I was running CM 10.2 and CM11 on it, both worked perfectly well with Bluetooth in the car.
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If you search for "kitkat bluetooth issues" you will find multiple issues reported about different phones. In 4.4 Google went with a new BlueTooth implementation that broke compatibility with some of the devices. My Moto X DE (GSM) is at 4.2.2 and is perfectly compatible with my built-in car entertainment system, so I am probably never upgrading since downgrade from 4.4.2 is not possible.
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If you search for "kitkat bluetooth issues" you will find multiple issues reported about different phones. In 4.4 Google went with a new BlueTooth implementation that broke compatibility with some of the devices.
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It was actually 4.2 where Android switched from BlueZ to BlueDroid. In 4.3 and 4.4 there were significant developments to "finish" that implementation. On my Nexus, 4.2 was worthless, but 4.3 and 4.4 worked great. It's certainly possible that Motorola botched something with their upgrade to 4.4 - or maybe Motorola had their own Bluetooth stack separate from AOSP.
My Moto X DE (GSM) is at 4.2.2 and is perfectly compatible with my built-in car entertainment system, so I am probably never upgrading since downgrade from 4.4.2 is not possible.
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Downgrade on a Developer Edition is certainly possible, that's kind of the whole point of a developer edition!
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Downgrade on a Developer Edition is certainly possible, that's kind of the whole point of a developer edition!
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I don't think this is correct. See this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/flashed-4-4-2-partition-table-gpt-bin-t2657468/post50555443 GPT flash is non-reversible and can prevent downgrade.
Here is another quote from now deleted thread:
This is a simple chart what can and can't not be downgraded, Thanks to Dray_jr :thumbup:
the only OTA that can downgrade is 4.4 to 4.2.2 Post Cam
here is what we know right now that might make more sense
4.4 to 4.2.2 Pre Cam will Brick
4.2.2 Post Cam to 4.2.2 Pre Cam will Brick.
4.4.2 to to anything will Brick
4.4 to 4.2.2 Post Cam you are ok
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If you have tested and working instructions on how to downgrade from 4.4.2 to 4.2.2 on 1053 I really would like know them.
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I don't think this is correct. See this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/flashed-4-4-2-partition-table-gpt-bin-t2657468/post50555443 GPT flash is non-reversible and can prevent downgrade.
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Huh, that's news to me. Thanks for that link. This is what I get for thinking the Moto X would be just like a Nexus device.
To answer a few questions regarding this:
1: You most certainly CAN flash any ROM you wish to a DE Moto X, you just need to unlock the bootloader. When the BL is unlocked, it allows you to flash whatever you want. Look it up and do your homework, it's essentially a Nexus, without the AOSP out of the box.
2: The if 4.4 had so many bluetooth bugs, then why did my Gnex running AOSP 4.4 (the hacked together one that had driver bugs) work PERFECT, and I mean legit PERFECT with bluetooth on all devices I used? The point is moot with the bluetooth stack being bugged. Obviously Google tested this on MANY of their internal devices before releasing to Nexus devices and the AOSP branch. Y'all have no logic if you believe otherwise. I DO, however, agree that it's possible that Moto is using a non-standard or non-AOSP bluetooth stack, or they have modified the bluetooth config to the point where it doesn't work.
4.4.2 for the Moto X didn't fix my problem, although it supposedly did fix some bluetooth bugs. I can still use the phone with a 2013 Hyundai Sonata Limited's bluetooth, and it pairs perfectly every time. This seems to be a hardware-specific issue, as I see people with older model Pioneer/Kenwood/etc. Bluetooth 2.0 headunits having issues, as well as with some hands-free BT units too. But on newer vehicles, some radios don't have the problem. I'm gonna file another ticket with Moto and see if I can provide proof to the problem.
Guys....aside from keeping your warranty, the DE is no different than any other moto x with an unlocked bootloader. I don't know why people keep saying its any more than an x that gets a warranty.
You cannot downgrade with any less risk of bricking than any other unlocked moto x.
I hope this rumor of the dev edition being special in this regard ends quickly...before there's a tonne of "I'm bricked" threads.
No moto x is a nexus. There is no downgrading the bootloader without heavy risk. The stories you've read here about downgrading bricks WILL happen to the dev edition just like the other unlocked moto's. Mark my words.... please.
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Careful who's advice you follow here guys....unless you have money to burn.
And yes...totally agree with the above.....do your homework.
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Huh, that's news to me. Thanks for that link. This is what I get for thinking the Moto X would be just like a Nexus device.
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No. Downgrading is a HUGE brick risk. Trust me.
Moto x's are nothing like a nexus when it comes to the bootloaders.
Dev edition is like the rest....but you keep warranty. That's all!
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Guys....aside from keeping your warranty, the DE is no different than any other moto x with an unlocked bootloader. I don't know why people keep saying its any more than an x that gets a warranty.
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Because on Verizon, it's the only one that has an unlockable bootloader. Unlocked bootloader USED to mean that you can run any code you want on it, and recover mistakes using fastboot. And unless I'm mistaken, it still means that. The GPT thing is concerning, but there's still nothing preventing executable code from being run, it's just the partition table that is different, and the old ROM images cannot be written to it.
You cannot downgrade with any less risk of bricking than any other unlocked moto x.
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How is that the case, though? Does fastboot stop working? Can you not re-flash a 4.4.2 image once provided by motorola? Do recovery consoles not flash? Can they no longer write to flash? And the real question - is it just because the older android images and recovery consoles do not understand GPT, or is there something actively preventing it? I know I've painted myself into a corner the last time I switched a drive to GPT and had a hard time finding a LiveCD that could mount it, but that was years ago. I'm crossing my fingers that it's only a matter of time before parted finds its way into CWM and TWRP.
I hope this rumor of the dev edition being special in this regard ends quickly...before there's a tonne of "I'm bricked" threads.
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Agreed. Personally, I'm disappointed with the Moto X in this regard. I'm glad to now be informed of this, and I hope others look into it themselves as well.
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Because on Verizon, it's the only one that has an unlockable bootloader. Unlocked bootloader USED to mean that you can run any code you want on it, and recover mistakes using fastboot. And unless I'm mistaken, it still means that. The GPT thing is concerning, but there's still nothing preventing executable code from being run, it's just the partition table that is different, and the old ROM images cannot be written to it.
How is that the case, though? Does fastboot stop working? Can you not re-flash a 4.4.2 image once provided by motorola? Do recovery consoles not flash? Can they no longer write to flash? And the real question - is it just because the older android images and recovery consoles do not understand GPT, or is there something actively preventing it? I know I've painted myself into a corner the last time I switched a drive to GPT and had a hard time finding a LiveCD that could mount it, but that was years ago. I'm crossing my fingers that it's only a matter of time before parted finds its way into CWM and TWRP.
Agreed. Personally, I'm disappointed with the Moto X in this regard. I'm glad to now be informed of this, and I hope others look into it themselves as well.
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I can't speak for what dev edition means on other phones....but for the Moto x, Dev edition means you can unlock bootloader, same as many other models....though your warranty is still good......and once unlocked, its EXACTLY the same as any other unlocked Moto x as far as flashing rules and RISKS.
I don't claim to be an expert on precisely why and what causes a brick, but I've read more than enough on here lately to know that downgrading from 4.4.2 is playing with fire. LOL
Funny....I just went to flash a 4.2.2 rom on my Nexus 7 the other day and got an error about incompatible boot loader (I was on 4.4.2 at the time) and I remembered, crap...that's right! So I flashed the previous bootloader version....then the 4.2.2 rom. Done ...10 minutes and zero issues. LOL. Not sure why Motorola had to make things harder/different.
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Back to the original topic - I took the upgrade to 4.4.2 last night:
- Disabled things like XPosed
- Re-flashed stock recovery (using fastboot)
- Applied update
- Re-flashed CWM recovery
- Re-applied root and xposed
I didn't do anything else, apart from app upgrades that happened to come in. When I got in my car this morning it immediately automatically connected. Could be a coincidence, or maybe that upgrade fixed the bug.
EDIT: I was in and out of the car probably half a dozen times today, works perfectly now, auto-connected every time!
My HTC Desire 10i (Pro Dual Sim) factory unlocked device just now received a 192mb size incremental update. The update took a good 20 minutes to complete. No cosmetic changes found. Mine is a factory unlocked device which might be meant for Taiwan/Myanmar markets but I am using it here in Canada Fido network with no issues except for weak signal occasionally.
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Android version: 6.0.
Software Number: 2.22.709.2
Android Security Patch Level: March 1, 2018
Did anyone else receive this or similar update? Also an unrelated question. I see that my device doesn't have HTC Music or HTC Gallery. Instead, it comes with Google Photos and Google Music. Is there a way to get access to HTC's own music and gallery applications that can be fully functional in this device? I don't want to either unlock bootloader or root device. Any valuable inputs are welcome.
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dearbasheer said:
My HTC Desire 10i (Pro Dual Sim) factory unlocked device just now received a 192mb size incremental update. The update took a good 20 minutes to complete. No cosmetic changes found. Mine is a factory unlocked device which might be meant for Taiwan/Myanmar markets but I am using it here in Canada Fido network with no issues except for weak signal occasionally.
Details:
Android version: 6.0.
Software Number: 2.22.709.2
Android Security Patch Level: March 1, 2018
Did anyone else receive this or similar update? Also an unrelated question. I see that my device doesn't have HTC Music or HTC Gallery. Instead, it comes with Google Photos and Google Music. Is there a way to get access to HTC's own music and gallery applications that can be fully functional in this device? I don't want to either unlock bootloader or root device. Any valuable inputs are welcome.
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Yes I did receive the update (update citing improvements on a Chinese carrier LTE service) after manually checking for it.
HTC are using Google apps now because they want to at least make Sense Home more streamlined with a more stock Android feel (plus I imagine that they want to cut down on the hassle of maintaining their propriety apps)
So you either use the stock Google apps or download third-party apps for what you are looking for.
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Yes I did receive the update (update citing improvements on a Chinese carrier LTE service) after manually checking for it.
HTC are using Google apps now because they want to at least make Sense Home more streamlined with a more stock Android feel (plus I imagine that they want to cut down on the hassle of maintaining their propriety apps)
So you either use the stock Google apps or download third-party apps for what you are looking for.
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How is your phone behaving on the Bluetooth front after this update? Bluetooth was never solid in this phone but I find it has gotten worse after this update. It loses Bluetooth connections very frequently; like every five minutes. Any idea?
prmbasheer said:
How is your phone behaving on the Bluetooth front after this update? Bluetooth was never solid in this phone but I find it has gotten worse after this update. It loses Bluetooth connections very frequently; like every five minutes. Any idea?
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prmbasheer,
Bluetooth is fine for me, granted I have used it with something that requires a prolonged connection, but I will test it out with my Bluetooth headset just to be sure, I only transfer small files with Bluetooth but I have switched to transfer via wireless which is much faster of course, I will test it out during the weekend and I will let you know if I have the same issue or not.
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How is your phone behaving on the Bluetooth front after this update? Bluetooth was never solid in this phone but I find it has gotten worse after this update. It loses Bluetooth connections very frequently; like every five minutes. Any idea?
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Hey there, I tested my Bluetooth headset (skull candy sb2) for more than 12 hours and I am to report that I did not experience any connection interruptions.
Perhaps the radio on your phone needs to be checked, but can I be frank, this phone is ok, not great by all means, they [htc] obviously have no plans for future OS updates, my advice to you is sell this phone and get a new one, I'll probably do the same down the road, that's just my opinion.
Cheers.
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Hey there, I tested my Bluetooth headset (skull candy sb2) for more than 12 hours and I am to report that I did not experience any connection interruptions.
Perhaps the radio on your phone needs to be checked, but can I be frank, this phone is ok, not great by all means, they [htc] obviously have no plans for future OS updates, my advice to you is sell this phone and get a new one, I'll probably do the same down the road, that's just my opinion.
Cheers.
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This device is widely reported for Bluetooth issues. I am glad your device has no such issues. I am using a smartwatch and the same earphones you tried. So, it is basically two devices I need to be connected to this phone but it fails terribly. Every 5 - 10 minutes one of the devices keep disconnecting and reconnecting. So, now I have started using my other phone (LG G6) and this is stored for later use or as you suggested, a sale.
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