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Just saw this :
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2009/12/21/acer-liquid-reviewed/
WTH? It's either HTC's fault or Microsofts'/WinMo.Kinda sad that a 1Ghz SnapDragon can't do it compared to the underclocked Acer Liquid.
So what? 720p playback is ONLY useful if you don't have to convert the files or if you want to play them on a TV.
No phone is able to play 720p video without conversion. So the only advantage would be to be able to play HD video via TV out. But the HD2 does not have TV out, so 720p playback would be absolutely useless on the HD2.
On the Acer , like on any other phone, you STILL have to convert the files. It will only play .mp4 video in 720p.
If you play them on the phone, then it doesn't matter whether you convert them to 720p or 480p, the screen is only 800x480 pixels. You have to convert them anyways.
And yes, it's HTC's fault, because they don't fully use the Snapdragon chipset. It has nothing to do with Windows Mobile. But it doesn't matter anyways unless the phone has TV out.
Maybe in a not so far, far away future, it will make sense to have 1080p (or even higher, who knows) capable mobile devices - as soon as they are intended to deliver that high resolution content to a really, really large display.
Watching 480 lines of resolution on a 4.3" screen comes close to watching a 1080p BluRay movie on a 50" TV set, no?
As of today, I am just happy with what HD2 delivers... and for the home cinema experience, I do prefer the "big" screen anyway.
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Maybe in a not so far, far away future, it will make sense to have 1080p (or even higher, who knows) capable mobile devices - as soon as they are intended to deliver that high resolution content to a really, really large display.
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Or via TV out!
But as the HD2 does not have TV out, 720p playback would be useless.
(because you'd not be ably to use files from your PC without conversion anyways)
Who says you cant play them with out conversion? I have never converted one file to play on my phone. So yes it would be useful. It its capable of doing it, why the hell cant it, there is not argument here.
It can do it, so it should be able to, simple as that.
Who says you cant play them with out conversion?
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720p works only with hardware acceleration. Hardware acceleration works only for videos converted to the right file format.
No phone currently supports 720p playback without conversion because conversion is needed in order to use the hardware acceleration that the (Snapdragon) chipset provides.
It doesn't matter whether you own an Acer Liquid, an HTC Bravo or an HTC HD2, none of them will play your 720p .avi files from your PC. You have to convert them first.
Conclusion: 720p playback without TV out is useless. Period.
I'm pretty sure HTC left out the HD playback support because they wanted to save money on developing/purchasing the necessary software/drivers. And that is a wise decision for a device without TV out, because 720p playback is useless when you still have to convert the files and have no TV out.
Heu HD2 is able to play 720p
The only bad thing is the non support of AC3 in coreplayer
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No phone currently supports 720p playback without conversion because conversion is needed in order to use the hardware acceleration that the (Snapdragon) chipset provides.
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That is only the case because of the stupidity and narrow-mindedness of HTC and Qualcomm (and, to a degree, Microsoft). There is no technical reason why an application shouldn't be able to handle a much wider range of codecs and still take full advantage of hardware acceleration. But Qualcomm insists on charging too much for the intellectual property rights to run software that is optimised for its hardware; HTC is too mean-minded to pay Qualcomm's fees and too lazy to ship its own multi-format software player (compare with, say, Samsung, whose proprietary video player software is both hardware-accelerated and extremely flexible about formats); and Microsoft can't be arsed to make Pocket Media Player support a sufficient range of formats and codecs either.
One can even quite reasonably blame the authors of Coreplayer for not having yet launched a version capable of using NEON instructions for video acceleration (something that is in the public domain and not under Qualcomm's control). All in all it's a bloody waste.
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But as the HD2 does not have TV out, 720p playback would be useless.
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I completely disagree. Plenty of video is only available in 720p format; even for stuff that is available in 720p and low-res versions, the low-res version is often so low-res that downscaling the HD version would look a lot better on a screen the size of the HD2. It would be enormously much more convenient if one could simply download and play the 720p version without having to spend hour after hour after hour on conversion, and use only one version of the fule on both the phone and a desktop PC. Obviously this is not something you personally would find useful, but that doesn't mean you have to be such a dog-in-the-manger about it: the attitude of "I don't want to do it, therefore no one needs to or should be allowed to" is really rather narrow-minded.
Shasarak,
you don't understand. You are making assumptions that are simply not true. Let me correct you:
That is only the case because of the stupidity and narrow-mindedness of HTC and Qualcomm (and, to a degree, Microsoft).
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Wrong: It has NOTHING to do with Microsoft and HTC. Nothing. It is only because of the Qualcomm chipset, that only supports acceleration for certain video formats.
BUT this is not an 'issue' limited to Qualcomm! There is no phone chipset that supports hardware acceleration of different video formats!
There is no technical reason why an application shouldn't be able to handle a much wider range of codecs and still take full advantage of hardware acceleration.
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I don't know about the reasons, but fact is that NO phone chipsets supports that acceleration. So there must be a reason.
Even IF Microsoft or HTC would develop/pay for the appropriate software, the phones would STILL not be able to play other file formats because the chipset simply doesn't support it.
And other chipsets (not from Qualcomm) don't support it either.
It would be enormously much more convenient if one could simply download and play the 720p version without having to spend hour after hour after hour on conversion,
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Sure, it would be more convenient.
BUT as I explained several times: It doesn't matter whether the phone supports 720p playback or not, because conversion is always necessary due to limitations of the chipset, which only supports acceleration for certail formats (which applies not only to Qualcomm chipsets, but to every other chipset as well).
Obviously this is not something you personally would find useful, but that doesn't mean you have to be such a dog-in-the-manger about it: the attitude of "I don't want to do it, therefore no one needs to or should be allowed to" is really rather narrow-minded.
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Thsi is not my attitude.
PLEASE READ PROPERLY BEFORE YOU ATTACK PEOPLE.
I explained to you in detail why 720p playback ability does NOT mean that conversion is not necessary. Thus, your argument of "not having to convert the videos" is misplaced. As you can read in the article above, the Acer Liquid ONLY plays 720p video that has been converted. And this is the case with any other phone as well, because of the reasons I explained above.
I dont know much about playback in 720p on the HD2 yet, but
Damien123_666 has done loads of camera tweaks (very good by the looks of it) and if you notice, he is working on recording in 720p
im working on 720p, micro-modes, bmp files and also increased video quality so keep looking for updates daily
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So theres obviously the potential
Damiens thread is about recording 720p video, not playing it. Afaik Snapdragon has the potential of recording 720p video.
Here it's true, HTC is to blame for not enabling it.
But what I was talking about is 720p playback.
This is only possible with hardware acceleration.
Hardware acceleration is only possible for certain formats.
This means: Even if your phone supports 720p playback, you still have to convert the files.
Shasarak said that 720p would be a benefit because we would not have to convert the files.
But that's not true.
Even if HTC would develop/purchase the necessary software, we would STILL have to convert the videos.
(like on the Liquid, see the linked post)
That means: The argument of "not having to convert the videos" is not applicable here, because it doesn't matter whether the phone supports 720p or not, the files must ALWAYS be converted.
This means: The only advantage of 720p would be playing back HD videos on a TV.
But our HD2 does not have TV out.
This means: 720p playback capability would not be useful for us, as we would still have to convert the files and we don't have TV out.
I hope that was clear enough now.
@Shasarak
You CAN blame HTC/Microsoft for not enabling 720p playback, that's true.
BUT even IF they would enable it, they could ONLY enable it for certain file formats. You CAN NOT blame them for not enabling 720p for all formats, because this is a hardware limitation that exists on all other phones as well, no matter what manufacturer or OS.
I think you will find that people were blaming HTC for not enabling support. No one was complaining about it being available on only certain formats.
If my phone is capable of something, then I would like it to be able to do it. Simple as that.
No, you got it wrong, too.
People are not only blaming HTC for not enabling 720p playback, they are also blaming HTC/MS for not enabling it for all formats, and that's nonsense because that is not HTC's or MS's fault but a hardware limitation.
Just because the hardware is capable doesn't mean you can expect the support. It also needs software and that adds additional developing costs!
If HTC would have enabled it, they would have had additional costs, which means the phone would have been more expensive for you.
You can only expect what you pay for. You paid NOT for 720p video support, because that was not advertised anywhere by HTC.
HTC made the desicion not to enable it in order to be able to sell the phone at lower price. You either respect that desicion or buy another phone. You can not expect anything that nobody promised to you.
And as explained before, due to the fact that conversion is ALWAYS needed, 720p support is useless without TV out. You should be happy that you didn't have to pay for a useless feature.
seed_al
WTF are you talking about? Convertion is always needed? The CPU will downscale the video on the fly to fit the screen. You don't seem to know much (just like the Zunehd does). Any CPU is capable of.playing any format as long as the software enables it. You don't seem to understand this. SnapDragon just like nVidia's Tegra APX (& iPhone 3GS) is capable of decoding 720p WMV/MP4/H.264 at a bitrate up to 14bit/s 29fps. Even a feking Pentium2 can do this but at something like 0.02fps. The fact is that the software/drivers on WinMo aren't provided on the HD2
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Wrong. Completely.
You're mixing up hardware and software decoding! Do some research.
Of course any CPU can play anything. But only with software decoding, no hardware acceleration!
Hardware acceleration is only possible for certain formats. You even said that yourself: Snapdragon is cabable of decoding H.264/MP4 with the right software. But nothing else. Same for Tegra, iPhone and all the others!
That means even IF HTC had enabled 720p support, we would still have to convert the videos. Exactly what I said above. So please, next time, think before you post, instead of mixing everything up.
You guys are mixing everything up! I really don't know how to explain it any clearer.
I'll try one last time:
Okay, first of all: You have to distinguish between software and hardware decoding.
Every CPU can decode anything via software with the right codecs. That's what programs like Coreplayer do.
BUT: Software decoding is slow. Much too slow for 720p HD video.
THUS: 720p playback is only possible with hardware decoding.
Snapdragon, Tegra etc. support hardware decoding of 720p video.
BUT: Only for certain formats and only with the right software.
THUS: If HTC would provide the software, we could play 720p video like the Acer Liquid.
BUT: We would still have to convert the video files! (same for Acer Liquid, iPhone etc.)
THUS: The 720p playback capability would not free us from having to convert the videos!
THUS: The only advantage would be the ability to play 720p video on a TV.
BUT: Our HD2 does not have TV out.
THUS: 720p playback capability would not help us at all. We would still have to convert the videos and we would still have no TV out.
Okay, I think this is as clear as it gets. Got it now?
This thread made me lol
Personally I want my phone's battery to get hot enough for use as a hotplate.
There isn't a technical reason not to un-enable this non-feature, so HTC are stupid and m$ is evil.
F.Y.I Macbooks can do this since 2006 so don't say I'm uninformed
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No, I'm afraid you're the one who is mixing things up. It is indeed the situation at the moment is that only certain video player applications can make use of hardware acceleration on the HD2, and that those applications are only capable of playing a limited range of video formats. You make the mistake of assuming that, because this is the case, there must be something about those video formats which makes it inherently easy to play them with hardware acceleration, while it is inherently not possible to play any other format that way.
That is not true. There is no technical reason why someone cannot make a video player app which can play back any video and take advantage of hardware acceleration while doing it; the reason this hasn't happened is because of a combination of money-grubbing, selfishiness and incompetence on the part of Qualcomm, HTC, Microsoft, and a few other companies too.
If either Qualcomm were to release full details of their hardware, or HTC were prepared to spend a little more money, someone would then be able to write a video player app which could play back as many formats as Coreplayer and use full hardware acceleration while doing it. Whether that theoretical application could play back 720p video smoothly is another question; but I wouldn't be surprised. Assuming it could, such an application would require no conversion of 720p material to play it.
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No, you got it wrong, too.
People are not only blaming HTC for not enabling 720p playback, they are also blaming HTC/MS for not enabling it for all formats, and that's nonsense because that is not HTC's or MS's fault but a hardware limitation.
Just because the hardware is capable doesn't mean you can expect the support. It also needs software and that adds additional developing costs!
If HTC would have enabled it, they would have had additional costs, which means the phone would have been more expensive for you.
You can only expect what you pay for. You paid NOT for 720p video support, because that was not advertised anywhere by HTC.
HTC made the desicion not to enable it in order to be able to sell the phone at lower price. You either respect that desicion or buy another phone. You can not expect anything that nobody promised to you.
And as explained before, due to the fact that conversion is ALWAYS needed, 720p support is useless without TV out. You should be happy that you didn't have to pay for a useless feature.
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well it DOSE can play 720P with htc album. but for baseline profile and only 15fps……OK? 720P is here will you use it？
I don't know what seed_al was talking about.
I can play 720p video on my Touch HD (not HD2), but the performance is terrible.
If CPU is powerful enough, and software can utilize the GPU, playing back 720p (.avi) smoothly on a phone is possible for sure.
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so here's my issue. it seems the video player itself has issues displaying 1920x1080 video. 1280x720 works fine, same video. same bitrate, same everything. this seems crocked.
do we know of any workaround for getting a 1080p to work. i've heard of people pulling it off, but i've spent three hours on this and i really believe it to be the player. i've tried third party clients and they're about 5fps. it's irksome.
help plz?
You know we have two different video players right? We have video player, and we also have movie player or something else like that. Try it.
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What do you expect to get from playing such large videos on the Cappy? I transcode mine to 720X480 in .mkv and they are simply stunning with zero playback issues. The Cappy supports the low end HD resolution of 1280X720, not the Blu-Ray rez of 1920X1080. And it supports that rez in shooting video so that it can be played back on a larger screen. There's no benefit to playing back videos that size on the device. Resize them, you won't notice any difference in picture quality and you'll save a ton of storage space.
I have 315 bluray movies half are 1080p other is 720p so half of my media is watchable on my cappy and my tab. I use Tversity to stream to my ps3 and everything but if there was away to make it only transcode 720p to mobile devices or have a player that will resize it for us that would be awesome.
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May be more of a codec problem than anything else.
While I never put anything bigger than 720p on my phone (since 1080p has no appreciable visual increase in quality on the phone screen, but a MUCH larger file size), I definitely have played 1080p on my phone before. Hence why I think it may simply be that 1080p MKV w/ certain codecs might not work. Remember that media files *legally* downloaded from the internet will often have slight variations in the parameters used when converting to MKV w/ x264/VC1/etc codec. Hence just because 2 files are "720p x264" in a Matroska container doesn't mean they are actually identically encoded. And the Galaxy S can sometimes be a bit picky about what formats it "automagically" supports and which it doesn't.
And by the way, as you clearly noticed, the "Video Player" app in Android is the only one to use the GPU to accelerate video playback. Other apps might work, but they will run the CPU way harder, and give you worse battery life. Monitoring the "time_in_state" to see what the CPU is running at, I can play 720p x264/MKV files with the CPU at only 400 MHz. Obviously, sometimes the default player won't play what you want, but it's much better to use it if at all possible.
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And by the way, as you clearly noticed, the "Video Player" app in Android is the only one to use the GPU to accelerate video playback. Other apps might work, but they will run the CPU way harder, and give you worse battery life. Monitoring the "time_in_state" to see what the CPU is running at, I can play 720p x264/MKV files with the CPU at only 400 MHz. Obviously, sometimes the default player won't play what you want, but it's much better to use it if at all possible.
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This is the main reason I stick with the built-in player. I was on a flight from Ft. Lauderdale to St. Louis to L.A. on Tuesday and I watched 3 movies of close to six hours total length. Landed in L.A. with 31% battery still remaining.
my reasons for wanting to play 1080p is irrelevant to the scenario, i'd just like to see it done.
i considered a codec issue shammy, but i extracted a 60second sample from my crank copy and left it in 1920x1080mkv and tried it. no dice. i handbraked it to 1920x1080mp4 no dice. i once again handbraked it to 1280x720mp4. worked fantastical without any change in any settings except res. hence why i think its a limitation on res rather than codec/bitrate.
i am just IRKED all around at this. time to hit the irc and start screaming at people until somebody gives me an answer huh lmfao
Square peg, round hole. Hope you find a big enough hammer.
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my reasons for wanting to play 1080p is irrelevant to the scenario, i'd just like to see it done.
i considered a codec issue shammy, but i extracted a 60second sample from my crank copy and left it in 1920x1080mkv and tried it. no dice. i handbraked it to 1920x1080mp4 no dice. i once again handbraked it to 1280x720mp4. worked fantastical without any change in any settings except res. hence why i think its a limitation on res rather than codec/bitrate.
i am just IRKED all around at this. time to hit the irc and start screaming at people until somebody gives me an answer huh lmfao
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Yea man I feel ya, why should you convert your movie to a realistic resolution for a 4" screen when you can ***** at other people to make it work. Doing anything yourself is for chumps.
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Its nice to be able to play 1080p why convert all your media when your ps3 and Xbox can play it at that size. Don't wish to lose quality on my other devices
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Its nice to be able to play 1080p why convert all your media when your ps3 and Xbox can play it at that size. Don't wish to lose quality on my other devices
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How do you lose quality by resizing for the device you'll be playing on? All those extra pixels of HD resolution on a 800X420 screen do not yield better quality, they just require more CPU/GPU to process and more storage space. Nothing is gained by playing HD-sized videos on the Cappy. Absolutely nothing.
I own a small HD video production company in L.A., but don't take my word for it.
I was talking about playing the same media file from my Ps3 on my tv. I'd rather not convert my 1080p files to 720 just for my hand held I'd rather have a better way to do all of it using the files I currently have. Tversity works good but not perfect for over 3G but when I had my iPhone it would play pretty good using airvideo over 3G but there has to be something to make it all work
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cerjam said:
my reasons for wanting to play 1080p is irrelevant to the scenario, i'd just like to see it done.
i considered a codec issue shammy, but i extracted a 60second sample from my crank copy and left it in 1920x1080mkv and tried it. no dice. i handbraked it to 1920x1080mp4 no dice. i once again handbraked it to 1280x720mp4. worked fantastical without any change in any settings except res. hence why i think its a limitation on res rather than codec/bitrate.
i am just IRKED all around at this. time to hit the irc and start screaming at people until somebody gives me an answer huh lmfao
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It would be nice to be able to do this I suppose..but if you don't mind...Why ?
If you play it on any other thing but your phone..you will not really benefit from having it this way..and also..you won't really have enough storage to hold it to be able to watch a full featured film.
Until Samsung gets off their asses and fixes the issue with making the usb-hdmi cable you will never get the output capable of seeing any difference than what you can easily do right now at 720p...If you want to ***** about something...that is what I would ***** about..They had those cables available for 1 month..and not many was ever shipped out to the stores when they introduced the phone...I've e-mailed them every week since October and the only reply is they are working on it...so...I'm not holding my breath on seeing it anytime soon since they are working on the next line of phones already..
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i'll probably get xbanned by the-equinoxe for this post, but it'll be worth it.
Clienterror:
I was doing my best to not "*****" at you "other people". If I wanted to ***** i'd be obviously *****ing, not laughing about it. How about I send you my 12TB of video and you can convert it all into 480p, would that suffice for you? since you have such an issue with what I do with my device and provide absolutely no helpful solution, you do it! I sure hope you have couple dual 12core opterons sitting around, because it's gonna take you awhile. currently, encoding crank.mkv time remaining: 1h5m. now realistically i'd never convert my entire collection, just whatever video I want to watch at the time. but guess what? When i'm leaving or doing something I do not have an hour to wait. It's almost faster to download a 480p copy, you realize that right. converting while dealing with 1080p is not fast, nowhere near it. I find it unlikely you have any experience in the matter, i'm sure i've put more time and effort into this than your useless 30 second out of line response, so "chump" take the attitude and leave my thread please.
Miami_Son:
Time is gained. something new and fun is gained, every dev and intelligent person i've talked to(i'm a regular in the irc, im sure .. i've ran into a few) has tried it. Just because your personal opinion you see no reason or purpose to it, does not mean others see it that way. and not to be an ass here, but I find it surprising anybody who owns a company relating to high definition video would refer to resolution as rez.
Mac11700:
Why? Because I can. Everyone should want to do. You all see me trying to play 1080 on my phone as insane, and to me it's insane for you to NOT want to watch it on your device. I wont have enough space? i've got 32gb in my galaxys, i can fit three 1080ps. I am not stupid, and you all should not assume I am.
it's very irky that you all jump on a question without any real input on the scenario, except for the basic obvious simplest answer which really isnt helpful to the situation rather than putting in some thought and trying to solve the issue.
now: has ANYONE else made any progress with it. any input regarding 1080p on the galaxys could help solve this issue. please and thank you.
alright ive been doing some more fiddling and came up wiht the following results.
using container mkv, and AVC as codec.
i started with 1920x1080 crank 60s sample gone through handbrake reducing it to about 6mb.
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1282x726 do not play. at all. unknown file.
1280x720 and below play without issue, and play damn well.
the file is exactly the same codec and container, just resized. so i believe it to be an issue with the player.
http://cerjturb.net/u/crank_test_1080p.mkv
does this play on ANYONES device inside video player.
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Miami_Son:
Time is gained. something new and fun is gained, every dev and intelligent person i've talked to(i'm a regular in the irc, im sure .. i've ran into a few) has tried it. Just because your personal opinion you see no reason or purpose to it, does not mean others see it that way. and not to be an ass here, but I find it surprising anybody who owns a company relating to high definition video would refer to resolution as rez.
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Ooh, my internet shorthand has revealed me as a fraud. You got me.
Your insistence on trying to play HD videos larger than what the device is designed for brought to mind a good analogy. You sound like a guy who bought a nice sports car and is appalled at finding out he can't run it in the Indy 500.
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1920x1080 through
1282x726 do not play. at all. unknown file.
1280x720 and below play without issue, and play damn well.
the file is exactly the same codec and container, just resized. so i believe it to be an issue with the player.
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Could it possibly be that your video is simply beyond what the player and/or the device is designed to handle? Square peg, round hole, I say. 1280x720 is indeed within the scope of the HD specification, so there is no fraud in saying the device can play HD content. It just can't play the high end of the HD spectrum. Live with it or get another device.
He's just trying to find away to not reconvert 3,000 hours of videos... if there was away for the computer to transcode to 720p to the device but leave it 1080p for the ps3 but not make 2 files for one video.... how hard is it to want that??? Tversity works for that but it don't detect the device as a mobile device that wants 720p it either does 1080 or goes way low and looks like crap... we want it to do both 720p for they device Ans 1080p for the ps3 at the same time.
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He's just trying to find away to not reconvert 3,000 hours of videos... if there was away for the computer to transcode to 720p to the device but leave it 1080p for the ps3 but not make 2 files for one video.... how hard is it to want that??? Tversity works for that but it don't detect the device as a mobile device that wants 720p it either does 1080 or goes way low and looks like crap... we want it to do both 720p for they device Ans 1080p for the ps3 at the same time.
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I understand that, but it's like complaining that his old tube TV won't display HD signals. Or that his DVD player won't play BD discs. It just wasn't designed to do it. For a device to transcode 1080p to 720p on the fly would require a lot more horsepower than what the Captivate has under the hood. Accept and move on.
First, I understand why you want this; it's a matter of convenience and I don't blame you.
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the file is exactly the same codec and container, just resized. so i believe it to be an issue with the player.
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It may be the same codec and container, but what is the bitrate? A lot more data may have to be pumped through the i/o system and larger frames are going to have to be resampled. I'm not saying it is impossible on the hardware, but it might be. I seriously doubt that it's just a matter of some bug, oversight, or intentional disabling of 1080p without good reason.
Guys, I want to share with you
I finally realize that the money I spend out to buy nook color is not worth it. beside used for browsing, youtube, playing game, I also want to use it for playing video, however when I try to play MKV files, the video and sound is out of sync, and when I try to play AVI file in mobo player, it can't be played and I switch to use QQPlayer and it plays fine however some frame is skipping so the video seems a bit laggy. THIS IS SO DISAPPOINTING, nowadays most video files are in MKV format, why this tablet is not supporting to play MKV video compare to other tablets?
FOr the same price I can get tabulet (tablet from china), it can play video file well compare to nook, the only problems maybe it will have slower update compare to phiremod. Now tell me, why you wanna buy a Nook color while the same amount of money can be used to buy other tablets or top up a bit to buy other tablet that can play video files.
What speed is your SD? I am running Gingerbread on a 16GB class 6 card and have no issues playing AVI files in Moboplayer.
If I was looking to buy a tablet today I would not buy a Nook, got mine for $200. But would instead buy the Asus Transformer if they ever get any in stock.
I also have no problem playing videos. That said, I've never tried an MKV file, as I've never heard of it. So I definitely can't support your assertion that most videos are in the format these days. But I'll have to trust you that the NC has troubles playing it.
I have no trouble playing mkv files using mobo player. I am using CM7 with OC Kernel 04/24.
Im watching the rite now on my nook color as we speak. Its very smooth and I'm using Mobo. So I dont see what you are talking about
Nook Color is an ereader that some people have converted to general tablet use. There is no reason why it would have its own video player.
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I have no trouble playing mkv files using mobo player. I am using CM7 with OC Kernel 04/24.
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Hopefully it's still not too late for you to return the Nook. The Nook was never known for it's multimedia capabilities. It was designed and marketed as an e-Reader. It's great that the dev community is able to enhance the capabilities of the device. Good luck!
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I have no trouble playing mkv files using mobo player. I am using CM7 with OC Kernel 04/24.
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i am using phiremod 6.2 with 720p quality, how about yours? I guess must be 480p quality
I got my NV on Saturday then rooted it and put CM7.0.2 stable on the emmc (not SD). I converted three movies in Handbrake using recommended settings found on XDA to MP4. I use Rockplayer and it works great. The movies are about 900mb in size with running length about 1hr 45 min and no problems.
The only video/audio sync issue I saw was using MLB.TV app but the is a common problem with MLB app. Playon MLB app works fine.
innosia said:
i am using phiremod 6.2 with 720p quality, how about yours? I guess must be 480p quality
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Phiremod 6.2 IS CM7, with some extra skinning.
Anyway, a little research will go a long way. The Nook does not have the hardware to play most 720P movie; though Mobo player will play a few quite well. The built in hardware decoding can only do up to 480P, and Mobo player, using certain CPU decoding pieces, can do some 720P.
BUt as it is, you would have known all this if you had just done some research beforehand. Video on the nook is a hot topic, and not something you would have to dig deep to find out about, including its weaknesses.
And please... what a load about the Chinese players. Yes, you can get a crap tablet for $150... that has a low res resistive screen, Android 2.1, no community, and no support (oh, and looks like a bad iPad knockoff to boot). But please, since you alone seem to know about them, please point us to another knockoff tablet that has such an amazing screen, great hardware (all that can hit 1.1Ghz, and most that can hit 1.3Ghz), for $200-$225 (best buy was having a $25 gift card sale recently)..
same, try rockplayer, works for me.. running rooted stock and draggin-dropping .avi's to a class 16 class 2 sd, they play fine.
Divine_Madcat said:
Phiremod 6.2 IS CM7, with some extra skinning.
Anyway, a little research will go a long way. The Nook does not have the hardware to play most 720P movie; though Mobo player will play a few quite well. The built in hardware decoding can only do up to 480P, and Mobo player, using certain CPU decoding pieces, can do some 720P.
BUt as it is, you would have known all this if you had just done some research beforehand. Video on the nook is a hot topic, and not something you would have to dig deep to find out about, including its weaknesses.
And please... what a load about the Chinese players. Yes, you can get a crap tablet for $150... that has a low res resistive screen, Android 2.1, no community, and no support (oh, and looks like a bad iPad knockoff to boot). But please, since you alone seem to know about them, please point us to another knockoff tablet that has such an amazing screen, great hardware (all that can hit 1.1Ghz, and most that can hit 1.3Ghz), for $200-$225 (best buy was having a $25 gift card sale recently)..
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if you know nothing about tabulet (china tablet that rebrand by indonesia company), then don't say anything. Though it is 700mhz it can play video well,
so what if nook can be overclocked to 1,3Ghz? Is there so many apps that is running in background that need the speed? It is not a pc, it is a tablet mostly for single or two task for simple like listening to music while reading, it is not for running many apps behind the scene such as rendering video or encoding
the different between those china tablet and nook is their graphic capabilities. Those china tablet, viewsonic tablet or asus tablet has better VGA and hardware decoding features that enable them to play video smoothly, unlike nook which is merely an over expensive e-reader that both expensive and yet unable to play video files well. And FYI, tabulet or china tablet is now moving to capacitive, though not much is capacitive but most new product is in capacitive screen, so forget about your idea that telling you all china tablet is resistive!
So go buy a "china tablet" then. What's the point in whining about something that everyone knows about beside trolling?
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...And please... what a load about the Chinese players. Yes, you can get a crap tablet for $150... that has a low res resistive screen, Android 2.1, no community, and no support (oh, and looks like a bad iPad knockoff to boot). But please, since you alone seem to know about them, please point us to another knockoff tablet that has such an amazing screen, great hardware (all that can hit 1.1Ghz, and most that can hit 1.3Ghz), for $200-$225 (best buy was having a $25 gift card sale recently)..
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Indeed. Everywhere I turn, I'm seeing more and more [email protected] tablets that are either running an old version of Android, have paltry memory, low res, horrible battery life, etc. Often times, it's a combination of ALL of these things. DealExtreme carries several pretty horrible tablets.
Innosia: That sucks that the nook isn't satisfying your needs. I can understand your frustration. What are you expecting by whining about it here? Do you want us to pass the plate around to fund a replacement for you? The only thing you're going to get, particularly here, is a lot of indignation. Again, that sucks that it doesn't do what you need it to do. Sell the damned thing on eBay or Craigslist before it declines further in value and buy yourself something that suits your needs.
I dont really see what the big deal is, reencode the videos. Itunes does that for IPOD/ipad devices, why cant you do that for the nook? Are you just saying your too lazy to use a template and reencode some videos you want to watch?
The nook was never marketed for its multimedia skills. The fact that it has a hw decoder at all, is pretty lucky. for 250 its the best device i found out there. it does everything i would want out of it. If i wanted more, i would have bought an IPAD.
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So go buy a "china tablet" then. What's the point in whining about something that everyone knows about beside trolling?
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I am not rich and I already cheated to buy nook and not able to afford a new tablet unless selling this one, I am not whining or trolling, what I am trying to point out here is for newbie who want to buy nook color, hopes they dont fall to the trap in buying nook color if they need playing video. I am just warning them, so they can use their money wisely. Be careful for B&N over expensive e-reader sales team
What were you expecting from a hack eReader?
Be serious. Its an ereader. All the rest is gravy. Whatever else you can do with it (besides read books) is awesome. Stop whining long enough to understand what you DID buy and what you DIDN'T buy. When you recognize the absolute awesomeness of what you bought has become you'll thank these fine folks for all their hard work.
Thanks everyone for all the hard work, done on your own time, for nothing in return.
I really appreciate it! Cheers m8s.
It sounds like you want a video-player more than a tablet. I'm wondering why you would come on here to post about how bad the NC is for your purposes? From all the posts I read it seems like you could easily read on here about what video types work and how to get them working smoothly. If you want something working out of the box, then return the nook and get it. If you want to fiddle with the thing until things work, then keep the NC. Simple
Sell it on eBay for about as much as you bought it for. They're still going for pretty high.
As has already been pointed out, re-encoding the video into an appropriate format does wonders for allowing it to play properly on the non-multimedia optimized nook.
FWIW, I've also noticed that different players have better luck with different formats. I currently have 3 video players installed (yx, Vital, and QQ) and have found that one of them will almost always properly play any of the couple hundred video's I already have on my media server.
Between iPhones, Xbox, Samsung Galaxy Tab, and some random other netbooks and devices, I've gotten a lot of experience at getting video to work on a lot of platforms. It would be great if AirVideo decided to do an Android client.
Hallo everyone
sorry if it's in a wrong section
section havent made much posts in xda but have been long time in here
Wanted to hear your thoughts about idea that I have.
I have an Galaxy Camera(first model) that has a broken lens and a sensor.I would fix it but cant find a sensor for that camera.found a lens part but no sensor.
So it just sits there and then came an ide to make it a console for playing different emulators and android games on my TV.
My ideas so far are:
To use an some kind lancher to costumise to be like some kind of an console.
Dissembeling and building it in to a enclosure of some kind.
Mybe overclocing cpu and gpu for gaming boost and using an fan and cooling system to keep it all cool and stable.
Using a otg cable for a xbox 360 wiered controller (ps3 wireless would be better but I dont own one) and attaching a charger to a cable (no need for a battery or maybe leaving it in to play games without a charger)
And connecting it to a TV with micro hdmi to hdmi.
At this point its only an idea and dont really know if it would work like I plan.
If you guys have any thoughts then please share
PS:English is not my first language
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Does Chromecast support exotic resolutions like the 2560x1080p for 21:9 screens or 4K? Which HDMI-Version is used in Chromecast?
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Does Chromecast support exotic resolutions like the 2560x1080p for 21:9 screens or 4K? Which HDMI-Version is used in Chromecast?
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With a rooted Chromecast it should be possible when someone optimizes the resolution selection during HDMI handshake - how well it would work with casting is a another question. (I intend to try this as I'm running the Chromecast on a 1366x768 display).
While it could probably display at those resolutions there is no way the WiFi could handle those streams to make it work.
The maker of the SoC is known, there should be technical specs on their site. I think the SoC is several years old and was developed as a FullHD multimedia device, and nothing more.
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Does Chromecast support exotic resolutions like the 2560x1080p for 21:9 screens or 4K? Which HDMI-Version is used in Chromecast?
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Pretty sure it's HDMI 1.3 or 1.4
4K won't happen unless it's at 30p (which is poopy)
But mostly it's designed for standard televisions, so I doubt there is any testing or attention given to resolutions that aren't 4:3 or 16:9 720p or 1080p Heck, given the number of times support for 720p devices has been broken, I don't think they test on anything other than Full HD 1080p.
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The maker of the SoC is known, there should be technical specs on their site. I think the SoC is several years old and was developed as a FullHD multimedia device, and nothing more.
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I once went looking and couldn't find any specs published. Maybe someone else will have better luck.
It's a Marvell Armada 1500-mini
bhiga said:
I once went looking and couldn't find any specs published. Maybe someone else will have better luck.
It's a Marvell Armada 1500-mini
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Apparently it displays everything at 1080P being it's highest Res, But can display 4K content as they have software that renders 4K content @ 1080P.
So it can play the content but it downconverts it to 1080P for display.
http://www.marvell.com/digital-entertainment/armada-1500/qdeo/
Okay, there's not much in terms of numerical specs to see in the product brief. The upper limit is the HDMI 1.4 spec, but below that, who knows?
Apart from limiting fps, you could use interlacing, or omit sync signals usually needed by crts only. This was necessary to display 1080p, 1200p and 1600*1200 via single link DVI, upon which HDMI is based. But probably the HDMI's link speed is higher, so you could go beyond DVI limits.
How could you connect chromecast to 1366x768 resolution monitor?
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How could you connect chromecast to 1366x768 resolution monitor?
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Depends on the monitor. Chromecast sends out a video signal on HDMI, not a computer signal, so unless the monitor accepts 1280x720 or 1920x1080 it probably won't work and you'll need a device to convert it. You could use a HDfury Nano GX or similar, but that would cost more than the Chromecast itself and closer to a new 1080p monitor.
If it's a 1366x768 projector or one of the early 720p televisions, or the display has native HDMI and supports HDCP 1.x, then it might stand a chance of working, but in general, unless that monitor is really special, it's probably not worth the trouble to try to make it work. If you already have a Chromecast you can try it though, it won't hurt anything.
Could you please answer which HDMI version Chromecast Ultra has? I have not found any information that there is exactly HDMI 2.0. And 4K 30 FPS is supported with HDMI 1.4.
Lucky_spirit said:
Could you please answer which HDMI version Chromecast Ultra has? I have not found any information that there is exactly HDMI 2.0. And 4K 30 FPS is supported with HDMI 1.4.
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This forum is Chromecast 2012, the original model.
It's HDMI 1.x and not HDMI 2.0, supports only up to 1920x1080 resolution.
You might try asking in Google Chromecast (2015) - maybe someone there knows, but generally speaking non-standard resolutions are not of interest to mass-consumer devices - dealing with them requires more than just supporting the actual output resolution/rate, but involves have the applications handle the scaling for different aspect ratios as well, which is extra programming for little/no reward, not to mention extra testing/QA.