I have been looking all around the internet for a way to network a Windows Phone 8 to a homegroup. I am an Android user and will remain one, however I would like to also have the benefits of a WP. I bought a Nokia Lumia 520 (T-Mobile), however I have no plans to activate it. I bought the $99 phone to access a NAS, upload and dl content from it. All I have found at this point is how to connected it to WiFi when I google Network Windows Phone 8. I am not trying to connect it to the internet I am trying to network the phone. I would like to be able to map the phones memory as a drive. Does anybody know how to do this?
Not even close to possible, not at this time.
First of all, WP8 has no support for SMB (the network protocol used for Windows messaging). There are apps which implement it, at least partially, but that's it.
Second, the vast majority of the WP8 file system is inaccessible to users. All that you would be able to access is things like documents and music, and the isolated storage of whatever app you used.
Third, why would you do this? I mean, you can buy a few gigs of NAS for a hell of a lot cheaper than $100, with better performance characteristics and without reserving a bunch of space for an OS.
I've held for some time that WP8 devices should be able to connect to Homegroups (and ideally other SMB networks) but MS doesn't seem to care. That was mostly so I could transfer files onto and off of the phone while using it as my phone, though, not as some ludicrously overpriced bit of networked storage...
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Not even close to possible, not at this time.
First of all, WP8 has no support for SMB (the network protocol used for Windows messaging). There are apps which implement it, at least partially, but that's it.
Second, the vast majority of the WP8 file system is inaccessible to users. All that you would be able to access is things like documents and music, and the isolated storage of whatever app you used.
Third, why would you do this? I mean, you can buy a few gigs of NAS for a hell of a lot cheaper than $100, with better performance characteristics and without reserving a bunch of space for an OS.
I've held for some time that WP8 devices should be able to connect to Homegroups (and ideally other SMB networks) but MS doesn't seem to care. That was mostly so I could transfer files onto and off of the phone while using it as my phone, though, not as some ludicrously overpriced bit of networked storage...
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I already have a NAS. I wanted to be able to pull video and music files from the NAS and on to my phone. I also wanted to be able to use the NAS as a source of storage for the phone. It would have been sweet to have my NAS as a mapped drive on my WP..... I am saddened to know that my Android can kind of do this with SAMBA, but my WP can not. I have seen many people get blasted on here for complaining about WP after they buy the phone and not doing the research before hand. I guess I shouldn't have assumed a windows phone would integrate into my windows network.
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I did thank you for answering my question, however I didn't overlook your desire to degrade my post. I never said I wanted to use it as an overpriced NAS, I said I wanted to be able to map the memory of the phone to transfer files off of my NAS and on to my phone.
Apologies for misunderstanding your intentions; when you mentioned connecting the phone to the network and mapping its storage as drive, but not activating it, that's what it sounded like. Yeah... while it is too bad you bought the phone without checking this first, one really would assume that Windows Phone 8 could connect to Windows networks...
I used Metro File manager to access SMB in the past, I don't know what are you trying to do.
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Hi all, it's been a while since I have posted lol, but I got a bit of a situation at our company that the pro's here might be able to help us out with.
We've got some serious trouble with with at least one person (possibly more) in our company, that has been fooling around with way more than the business programs that operate our CNC machines. It has destabilized the OS in our Waterjet, and we have also had to reformat a office PC as well. The way we know, is that only owners have Remote Desktop access set up on these machines, and we have seen other remote access names popping up now, around the same time as really bad system problems & bugs have been showing up. The one older Waterjet, if it is cashed to the point of a reformat, the whole machine will be scrap, as the the one of a kind coding between the MB and the internal PMAC card (controller card) will not be able to be replaced.
Also the company has a few HTC phones, Tytn, TytnII, and a Diamond that get charged throughout the day in areas that can not be secured from everyone. We believe they have been used to send confidential data and pictures of our company by someone else as well. As personal phones are not allowed.
My question is, out of ALL the junk & useless spam programs out there that do not do what they say. What is there that our company can reliably use and install on our company PC's & at least the HTC Diamond as well(as others will be upgraded) to covertly monitor and or record either on the host machine, or preferably a remote administers PC all that happens on these devices all running windows platform? The program must also be able to run in stealth mode and have no conflicts with anti virus programs. We are using Avast now, but considering the severity of this, the company would switch to a new solution that would work seamlessly and undetectable in order to weed out the perpetrator, and any future one's as well.
The Legal part of this for those wondering:
Other companies we do business with here have also had to combat this same problem. As long as it is the companies PC's & PC phones and on the premises, anything and everything that is carried out on these pieces of equipment is able to be monitored (without notice, as it is a voluntary act to place information on someone else's property on their premises). It also legally becomes the companies property and full rights of use in legal matters. At least in our country there is still one last shred of something that can help out the victims & not the criminal. Here we have to welcome in a home intruder and make sure he doesn't stub his toe on the door on the way out, or else we end up getting sued for damages, all the mean while he gets released with another line on his rap sheet!
Gem
Any professional solutions is greatly appreciated.
My friend doesn't have a computer but wants to transfer large files from a droid Eris to me on my N1. We are doing this across the country, so we have to use the internet. GMail won't let her attach the files, it says they are too big to attach, Youcast corrupts the files on transfer.
What solutions do you have to bypass the file size limit in gmail? We want to do direct sending. The files are private and we don't want to put them on rapidshare, etc.
Thanks!
One of you installs SwiFTP, enables global proxy, the other installs AndFTP and connects to the first one through the global proxy, then you initiate download and wait ages with both phones charging from time to time, because they'll drain the battery very fast.
The smart thing would be avoiding the phones completely, and sending from computer to computer. Or at least using Dropbox or something.
I second what Jack said.
Just use Pando on your computer.
www.pando.com/
With unlimited net plans on many accounts it makes sense to have unlimited file transfer. Often I have 3G speeds that compete with my home DSL, so the age of personal computer as a necessity is waning.... hence the great specs in the N1 and phones to follow.
I understand FTP as a standard.... what else is out there?
Then tether your phone to your pc? Its not logical to use your phone to transfer large files over a 3g network, plus your ISP might not like that, since you will be using a lot of bandwidth.
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With unlimited net plans on many accounts it makes sense to have unlimited file transfer. Often I have 3G speeds that compete with my home DSL, so the age of personal computer as a necessity is waning.... hence the great specs in the N1 and phones to follow.
I understand FTP as a standard.... what else is out there?
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If you like your phone to last less than 6 hours or stay on constant charge - by all means.
The only direct transfer is FTP, and most cellular ISPs don't provide you with IP that can be accessed from internet, AFAIK. Thus the need for global proxy (with phone-initiated connection) to have the phone accessible on the internet.
Nothing else that I know of, definitely not direct transfer.
I'm ok with something that is hosted on a server, so long as it is only for the intended recipients. We wouldn't want prying eyes to see would we?
When I said large files, the largest I think we've come across was 150MB, most are in the 7-25MB file size. I'm not talking gigs here, not even a gig a month for sure....
We have been trying to use YouCast, it is in the market... they upload it to their servers via the app and then email the download link to your recipient. It is a good concept but the .3gp files get corrupted quite frequently. Boo. I know the files aren't corrupted before sending because on a resend of the same exact source file the received copy will be corrupted at a different spot and sometimes (hopefully) it gets received with no corruption at all.
With GMail claiming I have 7000+ MB of personal storage, why must they limit my uploads?? whyyyyy?
You both can install teamviewer. Its a RDP software for the PC, but also has file sharing.
http://www.teamviewer.com/products/benefits.aspx
It is a free software for home users. This is the features it has.
AFAIK, mediafire should be able to upload files from your phone directly. It's gonna take a while, and you'll need a file manager from the market, but I think that would be a pretty easy approach
Hi everyone
I want to buy this phone, but before that I would like to know from you guys
if you found any disadvantages of it ??
and is it really that I cannot use bluetooth to send file and music ...atc things
because WM 7 dont support it ????
wish you all to help me..
Hi, I got my HD7 delivered this afternoon and have traditionallly used HTC hardware from the HTC Exec upwards. The thing about the so called all singing, all dancing HD7 is that it's made in the guise of an iphone which means that unlike previous HTC's and windows OS you cannot interrogate this phone at all.
You have no access to the storage space, you can't arbitrarily use certain types of apps other than the limited few on the market place. Any exchange or updating of information has to be done via Zune or Windows Live.
Example : A great little app by the name of PIM Backup. Backed up email, sms's, any callse made that day, tasks, contacts.....basically any change of information was backed up automatically that day when you scheduled. You could even port the back ups to other HTC devices. Now, unless you've got a windows live account, you can't back up or sync previous information........not even via active sync as the usb on the HTC is purely for charging the phone and not for communication.
Windows Media Player has always been piss poor on all HTC devices so a beautiful little app call TCPMP allowed you to do all the things windows player couldn't do i.e play various types of media files without the need for conversion.......now, you can't use it because there's no way to port it onto your device.
In a nutshell you've got no controll over the device or the hardward and the phone itself is frustratingly poor.
Will happily sell this phone to anyone who wants to buy it off me as can't send it back now as it's my second choice after returning an equally poor Dell Steak.
Go for the HD2..................beautiful piece of hardware and fully customisable and can be plugged directly into PC via usb which gives you access to the storage on the phone itself.
I think the best option would be to read the many reviews online and also look at videos on Youtube. There are also websites that allow you to browse the Windows Market place so you can get a feel for what apps are available.
I have had my HD7 for 2 months now (since launch) and even though there are a few bugs and like the poster above said this phone is locked down, I wouldn't part with it now. Apps are appearing all the time (remember it's 2 months old, so pretty much a baby, Android and Apple are much older and dated looking systems), MS hasn't yet released any bug fixes or improvements but they are on the way.
Unlike the poster above, I think the HD7 is much better than the HD2 with WM 6.5, I have been a Windows Mobile (WinCE) users for about 10 years, the HD2 finally was the best Windows Mobile phone ever! The problem? Windows Mobile is dead! If you buy an HD2 now you're wasting your money. Outside of xda-devs, no one is developing for it anymore. Yes you can fudge Androind onto the HD2 (which I have), but that's just like having Windows Mobile anyway. Go figure!!!
If you want something to customise to hell, go for Android, if you want a phone that is groundbreaking go for WP7, if you want a phone with a well (and now looking dated) echo system, then go for Apple.
Or why don't you find a store that will let you hold one to try?
There is also this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=847822 (note: it is the sticky of this forum) to look at.
Closed because there are enough of these thread.
Regrets, I’ve had a few. Been a lurker here for many years, after I purchased my XDA many moons ago. Really happy with it at the time and the custom roms and bits you cleaver guys developed for wm5, updated to wm6…but the phone was frustrating slow and had a habit of crashing.
I upgraded to a HTC HD Mini, again thank you for all the upgrades you guys did… wm6.5, something I wouldn’t have the first clue about. I recently damaged the LCD with isopropyl and had to replace the LCD and digitiser….whilst waiting for parts, and with the pretence that I potentially couldn’t fix the phone I ordered a Nokia Lumia 820.
I’ve had the Nokia 820 wp8 for 48 hours, I feel as if I’ve purchased a box of chocolates but can’t get past the cellophane.
I had to sign in to my Hotmail account to download a unit converter app, now the phone is receiving my Hotmail emails and I can’t uninstall it. Just done a factory reset.
Every time I pick the phone up it wants me to sign in, connect to wifi or gsm…I can’t even explore the files on the phone. Before I send the phone back is there a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel or have I made a mistake sticking with Microsoft, as an old fart I was hoping for some familiarity.
Charlie.
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Regrets, I’ve had a few. Been a lurker here for many years, after I purchased my XDA many moons ago. Really happy with it at the time and the custom roms and bits you cleaver guys developed for wm5, updated to wm6…but the phone was frustrating slow and had a habit of crashing.
I upgraded to a HTC HD Mini, again thank you for all the upgrades you guys did… wm6.5, something I wouldn’t have the first clue about. I recently damaged the LCD with isopropyl and had to replace the LCD and digitiser….whilst waiting for parts, and with the pretence that I potentially couldn’t fix the phone I ordered a Nokia Lumia 820.
I’ve had the Nokia 820 wp8 for 48 hours, I feel as if I’ve purchased a box of chocolates but can’t get past the cellophane.
I had to sign in to my Hotmail account to download a unit converter app, now the phone is receiving my Hotmail emails and I can’t uninstall it. Just done a factory reset.
Every time I pick the phone up it wants me to sign in, connect to wifi or gsm…I can’t even explore the files on the phone. Before I send the phone back is there a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel or have I made a mistake sticking with Microsoft, as an old fart I was hoping for some familiarity.
Charlie.
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I'm sorry. What is wrong with what you've just said? android and ios are the same. You can't use a marketplace without signing in. and the files are mostly subordinate to the apps that can read them, android is an exception for what as been for a long time in the phone market, but it does the whole contacts/gmail/etc thing as wp8. You might be able to disable email syncro though, if you dislike that much reading email on a phone. Can you explain to us WHY did you buy a smartphone if you don't use any of the characteristics that makes one so?
The wp8 experience is one of seamless integration with social networks, work networks (email, office documents),apps services, you can't have that without a Microsoft account.
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I'm sorry. What is wrong with what you've just said? android and ios are the same. You can't use a marketplace without signing in. and the files are mostly subordinate to the apps that can read them, android is an exception for what as been for a long time in the phone market, but it does the whole contacts/gmail/etc thing as wp8. You might be able to disable email syncro though, if you dislike that much reading email on a phone. Can you explain to us WHY did you buy a smartphone if you don't use any of the characteristics that makes one so?
The wp8 experience is one of seamless integration with social networks, work networks (email, office documents),apps services, you can't have that without a Microsoft account.
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Thanks for the reply,
I guess I was hoping wp8 was going to be more like windows, for example the phone has built in gps but I have no way of accessing it…ie grid reference.
The reason I went for a smart phone, ie htc hd mini is ease of carrying a single device when traveling. I don’t need wifi or a GSM reception to use the htc for satnav (map grid and tomtom), radio or to watch films or listen to mp3’s.
For work, I need a phone, camera, gps, removable sd, replaceable battery and entertainment when stuck in boring hotel rooms.
orbitalschool said:
Thanks for the reply,
I guess I was hoping wp8 was going to be more like windows, for example the phone has built in gps but I have no way of accessing it…ie grid reference.
The reason I went for a smart phone, ie htc hd mini is ease of carrying a single device when traveling. I don’t need wifi or a GSM reception to use the htc for satnav (map grid and tomtom), radio or to watch films or listen to mp3’s.
For work, I need a phone, camera, gps, removable sd, replaceable battery and entertainment when stuck in boring hotel rooms.
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lol first.. what use is gps without a map. and wp8 has native offline maps ready to download. you're trying to use a modern smartphone like a nokia 6600, that's why you're having problem. Try using it the way it's supposed to - the modern always online world.
By the way, yes, you absolutely can disable email sync (not sure why you'd want to; email sync is incredibly handy, one of the things I use every single day on my phone, but OK) either when you set up the account, or by going to Settings -> Email + Accounts and tapping on the account in question.
Installing apps does, indeed, require store access (OK, mostly; there's limited support for sideloading, and one of the things the hacking community is working on is improving that). Store access is tied to you Microsoft account (as on Win8 or Steam or something like that).
The old days of "it's a handheld computer!" (not that that was ever entirely true) are largely gone, although, again, this is the kind of thing that we're trying to bring back.
If you download the maps onto the device it includes a license for worlwide offline navigation (in supported countries - that means: if they have the mapping data, which they have I believe for ~ 80 countries worldwide). The same Maps are used in Here Maps and if downloaded work offline as well.
There is no file explorer though. If you transfer files to the Documents folder they will show up in the office hub. If you put files in the music folder they will show up in the Music Hub, etc.
So all in all you can't be completely offline due to the application store but otherwise you should be able to do everything you want with your WP8 device, although it works differently.
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By the way, yes, you absolutely can disable email sync (not sure why you'd want to; email sync is incredibly handy, one of the things I use every single day on my phone, but OK) either when you set up the account, or by going to Settings -> Email + Accounts and tapping on the account in question.
Installing apps does, indeed, require store access (OK, mostly; there's limited support for sideloading, and one of the things the hacking community is working on is improving that). Store access is tied to you Microsoft account (as on Win8 or Steam or something like that).
The old days of "it's a handheld computer!" (not that that was ever entirely true) are largely gone, although, again, this is the kind of thing that we're trying to bring back.
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There are many annoying things about my HD mini wm6.5, but since I've fixed the screen and got the reception back as good as new (antenna connection) I've found a new respect for the phone. I'm thinking about sending the Nokia wp8 back, prematurely it feels as I haven't received the new sim or sd card yet, so I haven't actually used it. I'm also considering purchasing another HD mini as back up.
I wish I had the level of understanding you guys have, I'd love the ability to be able to program and customize the device to my liking but the reality is I'm hanging on coattails. I was hoping wp8 would be an improved version of wm6.5.
Thanks for the advice.
Charlie.
The difference between Windows Phone and Windows Mobile is deeper than the branding, but the branding is intended as a tip-off that they are *not* the same thing.
Windows Phone is a smartphone in the sense that iOS is a smartphone; it's pretty "smart" for a phone, but even Microsoft wouldn't have marketed it as a "PocketPC".
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There are many annoying things about my HD mini wm6.5, but since I've fixed the screen and got the reception back as good as new (antenna connection) I've found a new respect for the phone. I'm thinking about sending the Nokia wp8 back, prematurely it feels as I haven't received the new sim or sd card yet, so I haven't actually used it. I'm also considering purchasing another HD mini as back up.
I wish I had the level of understanding you guys have, I'd love the ability to be able to program and customize the device to my liking but the reality is I'm hanging on coattails. I was hoping wp8 would be an improved version of wm6.5.
Thanks for the advice.
Charlie.
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The point is that there is very little amount of "personalization" possible. Try to use it instead as it is.
Hello guys,
I plan to have a look on the upcomming Nokia Lumia 930 at my local provider store. As always I keep the unlock-question in mind.
I can't post to the Dev and Hacking forum, due to insufficient posts. Maybe a Mod can move this Thread to this section if he thinks this idea got a chance to be realised.
Wouldn't it be possible to emulate the Marketplace communication on your local PC? WP devices are able to access the internet vie USB connection and Zune. But the Marketplace on your phone blocks accessing it, when it detects a Zune-Connection. Maybe there is a way to establish the USB internet connection without the phone blocking the Marketplace. Another idea is to connect the phone to the PC via Wifi (Tethering).
Once we connected the phone to the PC and it's not blocking the Marektplace access. The PC could catch the Marketplace request to the MS servers and deliver emulated Server communication. Faked App-list and of course App-Download from the PC to the phone is the next step.
I know nothing about encrytion, certificates, signing and so on. So all I can do is to share this idea with you more experienced guys.
Yours sincerely ,
Brill
Props for good thinking, but this has been discussed before. If you knew about certs and sigs, maybe you would have been able to follow the previous discussions on this topic...
1) WP8.x does not use Zune anymore, and does not use the USB cable to access the Internet the way WP7 did (I find this change mildly irritating, since it means I have to connect the phone to my PC over WiFi instead if I want to intercept all the phone's traffic, but c'est la vie).
2) In WP8.0, you can spoof the marketplace for browsing purposes by installing a root certificate and then using its private key to sign fake marketplace certs. However, you can't install apps this way; they won't even download. The store probably uses a technique called "certificate pinning" for app downloads, which prevents the spoofed cert from working.
3) In WP8.1, you can't even do that much.
4) Even if you could do this, you couldn't use it to unlock the phone as you would need to sign the apps using Microsoft's keys for them to be trusted to do things like modify the registry.