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[Q] Some Questions About Different Moto X Models

Hey all,
I'm looking at purchasing a Moto X (possibly two, if my wife replaces her iPhone...). I'm currently not tied to any particular carrier, but I'd like to keep my options as open as possible. I'm going to buy the phone/s at full price, and then bring them to whatever carrier/service/MVNO I end up with.
From what I understand so far, there are two basic models of the Moto X -- one for Verizon (CDMA), and one for GSM-based networks.
Here's my basic question: What's the difference between these phones??
The Verizon website lists the Moto X as a 'global' phone, which implies that it has a GSM radio in it, right?
If so, does that imply that the 'Tmobile' (or otherwise GSM-based) Moto X has a CDMA radio?
Then, as if I'm not confused enough, I find the 'Developer' edition of the Moto X... in two versions -- one for Verizon, and the other for 'GSM'. The developer edition provides an unlockable bootloader... cool, I'm a fan of that! But!! Isn't the Moto X part of the Motorola Bootloader Unlock program? It is (hxxps://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215)... so what's the difference between the 'Developer' edition, and the regular edition?
I'm sorry if these are silly questions -- but I've spent at least an hour Googling today, and didn't find any answers that I found conclusive. Thanks for any help you can give!!

Spirotot said:
Hey all,
I'm looking at purchasing a Moto X (possibly two, if my wife replaces her iPhone...). I'm currently not tied to any particular carrier, but I'd like to keep my options as open as possible. I'm going to buy the phone/s at full price, and then bring them to whatever carrier/service/MVNO I end up with.
From what I understand so far, there are two basic models of the Moto X -- one for Verizon (CDMA), and one for GSM-based networks.
Here's my basic question: What's the difference between these phones??
The Verizon website lists the Moto X as a 'global' phone, which implies that it has a GSM radio in it, right?
If so, does that imply that the 'Tmobile' (or otherwise GSM-based) Moto X has a CDMA radio?
Then, as if I'm not confused enough, I find the 'Developer' edition of the Moto X... in two versions -- one for Verizon, and the other for 'GSM'. The developer edition provides an unlockable bootloader... cool, I'm a fan of that! But!! Isn't the Moto X part of the Motorola Bootloader Unlock program? It is (hxxps://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215)... so what's the difference between the 'Developer' edition, and the regular edition?
I'm sorry if these are silly questions -- but I've spent at least an hour Googling today, and didn't find any answers that I found conclusive. Thanks for any help you can give!!
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Unless you absolutely have to have VZW for the service - do not buy the VZW model. I am on VZW and have the Dev Edition from them. VZW is always the last to get updates.
So there is just a lot going on with this phone...
There are two different Developer Editions. GSM (for AT&T and T-mobile?). I know it is for ATT and believe it is also for T-mobile. But the T-mobile Consumer Edition also has an unlockable bootloader without buying the developer edition?
Even though the MotoX is listed on Motorola's Bootloader unlock program - it is only certain models. Sprint, T-mobile, US Cellular. Verizon's is only the Developer Edition. ATT would only be the GSM Developer Edition.
My recommendation is T-mobile if you get good service from them. They are going to get updates first.
Also as far as CDMA Vs. GSM; Verizon and Sprint use CDMA technology and ATT and Tmobile and most others use GSM technology.
I know that sounded like a big mess - sorry. I am tired and its all I got for now.

The CDMA version has gsm capabilities, but the gsm version will not work on CDMA.
If I were in your position, I'd get the gsm developer edition or the T-Mobile version. Either of those should be compatible with most carriers unless you absolutely need a Verizon phone. If so get the VZW developer edition.
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thepolishguy said:
My recommendation is T-mobile if you get good service from them. They are going to get updates first.
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That would be my choice, as well. However, I'm not 100% sure I want to commit to T-Mobile, yet... their coverage seems to be the most lacking of non-Verizon carriers. I was actually thinking of activating the phone on Ting (a Spring MVNO) to begin with.
thepolishguy said:
I know that sounded like a big mess - sorry. I am tired and its all I got for now.
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No worries, I appreciate it, man.
housry23 said:
The CDMA version has gsm capabilities, but the gsm version will not work on CDMA.
If I were in your position, I'd get the gsm developer edition or the T-Mobile version. Either of those should be compatible with most carriers unless you absolutely need a Verizon phone. If so get the VZW developer edition.
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So what you're saying is that the VZW Dev edition would theoretically work on other CDMA carriers (i.e. Sprint/Sprint-based networks), and also GSM-based networks (i.e. T-Mobile), right? But that the T-Mobile version with only work on GSM carriers (i.e. not Verizon, and not Sprint)?
As much as I'd love to just commit to T-Mobile's GSM network... their coverage maps have me hesitant, heh.

Spirotot said:
...As much as I'd love to just commit to T-Mobile's GSM network... their coverage maps have me hesitant, heh.
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With T-Mobile you don't commit, other than the cost of the phone which can be resold. They don't do contracts so you can easily switch to another carrier if needed. I've been on Verizon since their inception and I now have à T-Mobile "test" line which is working pretty well. As mentioned above, it's probably best to get the GSM dev edition since it can be used on AT&T too.

I'm nearly certain the T-Mobile version works 100% on AT&T HSPA & LTE.
I ordered one last night, so I will clear that up when it arrives next week, but I'm pretty certain I've already seen others reporting that T-Mobile works fully on AT&T and is unlocked out of the box.

scottjb said:
With T-Mobile you don't commit, other than the cost of the phone which can be resold. They don't do contracts so you can easily switch to another carrier if needed. I've been on Verizon since their inception and I now have à T-Mobile "test" line which is working pretty well. As mentioned above, it's probably best to get the GSM dev edition since it can be used on AT&T too.
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Gotcha. Ideally, though, I'd like a phone that would work on CDMA AND/OR GSM networks... would the VZW and/or VZW Dev Edition be capable of that? That is, could I activate on a Sprint-based CDMA network like Ting, and then switch to a GSM-based network like T-Mobile later, if I wanted?
phositadc said:
I'm nearly certain the T-Mobile version works 100% on AT&T HSPA & LTE.
I ordered one last night, so I will clear that up when it arrives next week, but I'm pretty certain I've already seen others reporting that T-Mobile works fully on AT&T and is unlocked out of the box.
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Awesome! Looking foward to what you find out.

I think you need a Sprint version to be able to use Ting. Last I heard, they don't flash Verizon phones to their network. I'm not sure if the Sprint version can be unlocked to be used on T-Mobile if you change your mind later. I'd highly advise just picking your carrier first before picking your phone.
Sent from my XT1058 using xda app-developers app

freak4dell said:
I'd highly advise just picking your carrier first before picking your phone.
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Was starting to think that myself, heh. Just kind of a bummer, because I know I want the phone -- but I don't know which carrier will end up fitting me best.

[Q] T-Mobile Moto X: can I use it on any GSM carrier?

Hi there!
I am looking to get a Moto X to be used with any GSM carrier in the US and Europe.
(I don't want to root it)
Do I need to buy the Developer Edition or can I also get the No-Contract T-Mobile one (customizable via motomaker)?
Thanks in advance!

The T-mobile is unlocked and good to go, no need to buy the developer edition.

HwlHwl said:
Hi there!
I am looking to get a Moto X to be used with any GSM carrier in the US and Europe.
(I don't want to root it)
Do I need to buy the Developer Edition or can I also get the No-Contract T-Mobile one (customizable via motomaker)?
Thanks in advance!
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They're the exact same phone x1053, make sure the LTE bands are correct for the carriers you want to use (5 and 7 are x1058 only)

Steve-x said:
The T-mobile is unlocked and good to go, no need to buy the developer edition.
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Are you absolutely sure about this? Do you know it for a fact, or have you just read it somewhere?
I contacted Motorola today, to verify that the t-mobile off-contract version indeed was sim-unlocked, but they replied that it WAS sim-locked, and also was carrying the t-mobile logo on the back.
I think it's really hard to figure out who to believe, since many are reporting that it comes sim-unlocked, but wouldn't Motorola be the one to know for sure?

Odelheim said:
Are you absolutely sure about this? Do you know it for a fact, or have you just read it somewhere?
I contacted Motorola today, to verify that the t-mobile off-contract version indeed was sim-unlocked, but they replied that it WAS sim-locked, and also was carrying the t-mobile logo on the back.
I think it's really hard to figure out who to believe, since many are reporting that it comes sim-unlocked, but wouldn't Motorola be the one to know for sure?
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I can't verify whether it's SIM locked or not but I have one in my hand and the T-Mobile XT1053 does not have any branding on it. There is no logo on it. There are no T-Mo apps on it either.

It's unlocked. Using it with prepaid at&t.
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[Q] moto X dev or moto X

What the different with the Moto X dev ed and the moto X you like get from att?If i got the Moto X dev ed will it come with a hotspot software or would i need to make my own for android?
I bait new when it come with things like unlocked phone.i hope someone can help me

perlsyntax said:
What the different with the Moto X dev ed and the moto X you like get from att?If i got the Moto X dev ed will it come with a hotspot software or would i need to make my own for android?
I bait new when it come with things like unlocked phone.i hope someone can help me
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DEV Editions have unlockable bootloaders without voiding the warranty. An unlockable bootloader allows you to flash a recovery not signed by Motorola (like TWRP or CWM) which will allow you to flash root and other .zips.
Non-dev editions on AT&T do not have the ability to unlock the bootloader.

tcrews said:
DEV Editions have unlockable bootloaders without voiding the warranty. An unlockable bootloader allows you to flash a recovery not signed by Motorola (like TWRP or CWM) which will allow you to flash root and other .zips.
Non-dev editions on AT&T do not have the ability to unlock the bootloader.
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So take it i have to make my own hotspot software for the moto X dev and it will not come with a recovery back to?

No, you'll be able to unlock the bootloader, root and install any of the methods that give the hotspot feature.

perlsyntax said:
What the different with the Moto X dev ed and the moto X you like get from att?If i got the Moto X dev ed will it come with a hotspot software or would i need to make my own for android?
I bait new when it come with things like unlocked phone.i hope someone can help me
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I'm going to copy/paste what I typed here ->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=52359376&postcount=13 as it definitely answers your question.
KidJoe said:
im going to repeat what has been said by me and others in the countless threads asking this same question....
The two developer edition moto X's come in black face, woven white back, with silver accents (buttons and ring around camera), and say Developer Edition on back. They only come as 32 gig. When it comes to unlocking the bootloader, you can get the code from moto for free, and it does not void your warranty. Once the bootloader is unlocked you can install 3rd party recovery, root, or install 3rd party roms (by 3rd party, I mean non-moto)
The retail x comes as black face, woven black back, and silver accents, or white face, woven white back, and silver accents. Moto Maker can be customized. These come as 32 or 16 gig.
I'm not going to go into the reasons why, but Moto does NOT give out the bootloader unlock code for the Retail and MotoMaker X for Verizon, ATT and a few other carriers.
When it comes to hardware, the GSM Developer Edition (XT1053) is the same as the T-Mobile or Carrier Unlocked/Unbranded (XT1053) and uses the same ROMs. The big difference is getting the unlock code from Moto for the non-dev edition voids the warranty. When it comes to the (CDMA) Developer Edition X for Verizon, they too are identical hardware, but as said, you can't get the unlock code from Moto unless you have the Dev Ed. (Note: for a brief period, there was a Chinses site selling the codes, but it was shut down and is not presently available. No one knows for sure if it ever will be again)
If they are the exact same price, get the dev edition so you can unlock the bootloader without voiding the warranty.
If you have ATT, know that their X is the XT1058, you can not get its bootloader unlock code from Moto. More importantly, by specs it supports 2 additional LTE bands (originally said to only be used outside the USA, but lately there has been talk that ATT is using one of them in the USA now), but does not support HSPA on AWS (used by t-mobile for non-LTE 4g, but t-mobile has been reframing their 1900 from 2g to HSPA in some areas). So if you have AT&T but got the gsm dev, you'd be at risk if ATT starts fully using one or both of those "other" LTE bands in the USA in the future.
As for why unlock the bootloader, what would the average Joe gain by it? See -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-Locked.html
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As for "hot spot"... There is hotspot software in the X ROM. Since the gsm Dev uses the T-Mobile rom, it might work as is on ATT without modifications. You'll have to look that up. But there are other options to remove any "entitlement" checks (there are threads about it) or you can use WiFi tether when the Dev Edition is rooted.

I like developer. I think developer option has better opportunity than others.

KidJoe said:
I'm going to copy/paste what I typed here ->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=52359376&postcount=13 as it definitely answers your question.
As for "hot spot"... There is hotspot software in the X ROM. Since the gsm Dev uses the T-Mobile rom, it might work as is on ATT without modifications. You'll have to look that up. But there are other options to remove any "entitlement" checks (there are threads about it) or you can use WiFi tether when the Dev Edition is rooted.
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thank for the information

Dev Edition GSM?

There has been lots of talk about the lack of a Dev Edition phone on VZW. I'm currently on ATT using the GSM Dev Edition phone and everything works well. Can anyone tell from the models listed for the Moto X 2014 whether there will be a Dev Edition version which will work well on ATT and support the LTE bands which ATT typically uses?

Yes the only one not receiving dev is Verizon as of now. Gsm is for sure! Don't know about Sprint

AndreaCristiano said:
Yes the only one not receiving dev is Verizon as of now. Gsm is for sure! Don't know about Sprint
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no need for sprint, sprint is friendly towards modding

There will be an unlocked version called "Pure Edition."

There seems to be some ambiguity on whether the Pure Edition is to be the same device as the Developer Edition or not, but in either case, VZW is not in the running for either for now.
tapped out via XT1053 DE

Anyone know which model # the Dev/pure edition is? The sprint model seems to cover the most bands.

lafester said:
Anyone know which model # the Dev/pure edition is? The sprint model seems to cover the most bands.
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I think there is a bit of confusion on that at the moment. Here is what I understand - no dev edition, but pure is effectively the dev edition as it may be unlocked. Nothing is being released for Sprint. Moto has not published what bands are in what phone, but they are marketing pure for T-mo, so I sure hope it has bands 4 and 12.

Note10.1Dude said:
I think there is a bit of confusion on that at the moment. Here is what I understand - no dev edition, but pure is effectively the dev edition as it may be unlocked. Nothing is being released for Sprint. Moto has not published what bands are in what phone, but they are marketing pure for T-mo, so I sure hope it has bands 4 and 12.
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I have been searching and searching daily to answer the question of what bands are supported by the Pure Edition and what the model number even is. It's either XT1092 or XT1095 and the reason I'm so concerned is that one does not have Band 12 - they're otherwise identical supposedly.
Anyway, just wanted to point out that I saw links to XT1095 on "America Movil" and a Motorola chat rep confirmed that the XT1095 is the Latin America version.
On the other hand, if the XT1092 bands are to be believed on Phone Arena and the likes, then the Pure Edition should support T-Mobile, AT&T and Sprint as it appears to have CDMA/GMS/all LTE bands. I don't want to spread misinformation, so I'll just sit here and pray instead
-Collin-

Pure edition supports lte cat. 3? My only concern here

[Q] Pure edition, carrier editions clarification please...

If I order from the Motorola website, this will be the pure edition phone, correct?
Will the pure edition work on Verizon LTE or is it for GSM networks only?
I'm an AT&T user but trying to assist a family member in choosing a phone - he is on Verizon and will be coming from a fruit phone 4S.
I would like for him to get a phone that is developer friendly and the Moto X has got my attention.
Thanks for clearing this up for me.

There is rumored to be an upcoming Firmware update that will KIND OF make the Pure edition work on Verizon.
Really no Verizon phone will be "developer friendly" as Verizon themselves are not Developer Friendly.

Thank you. I think the rumor thing was adding to my confusion. Maybe a bit off topic here but does Verizon have ANY current production top of the line phones that have an unlockable bootloader?

Definitely not from Verizon. You may have to search for a few phone that Verizon carries but last I checked the nexus line did. But that was like 2 years ago almost

knitler said:
There is rumored to be an upcoming Firmware update that will KIND OF make the Pure edition work on Verizon.
Really no Verizon phone will be "developer friendly" as Verizon themselves are not Developer Friendly.
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Lol no it will not work on Verizon... It will not work on Verizon with future firmware update. The pure edition doesn't have CDMA radios so calls will not work. The firmware update is to unlock additional lte bands so that it will help for roaming even you go out of USA.
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Not all of Verizon's bands are CDMA

kevinga said:
If I order from the Motorola website, this will be the pure edition phone, correct?
Will the pure edition work on Verizon LTE or is it for GSM networks only?
I'm an AT&T user but trying to assist a family member in choosing a phone - he is on Verizon and will be coming from a fruit phone 4S.
I would like for him to get a phone that is developer friendly and the Moto X has got my attention.
Thanks for clearing this up for me.
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While ordering on the MotoMaker you can choose pure edition or the useless ugly branded crap carrier versions. If you select pure edition it will work on gsm networks, in the USA it will work on att and T-Mobile.
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knitler said:
Not all of Verizon's bands are CDMA
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All calls go over CDMA. As he said, calls won't work.
With VoLTE, calls can go over LTE (which you may be able to get, idk what bands Vzw uses), but VoLTE needs software from vzw which you certainly wouldn't have

kirdroid said:
While ordering on the MotoMaker you can choose pure edition or the useless ugly branded crap carrier versions. If you select pure edition it will work on gsm networks, in the USA it will work on att and T-Mobile.
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I'm hoping that us Europeans end up with a Euro Pure Edition, cos right now the Pure Edition seems to be a US device. Guess I will see when mine turns up.

knitler said:
There is rumored to be an upcoming Firmware update that will KIND OF make the Pure edition work on Verizon.
Really no Verizon phone will be "developer friendly" as Verizon themselves are not Developer Friendly.
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knitler said:
Not all of Verizon's bands are CDMA
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Where are you getting this rumor from? The only bands that will be enabled from this update will be bands 2, 3, and 7. Verizon uses Bands 4 and 13 for LTE, only one of which is on the Pure edition. Calls are still sent over CDMA and that's not planning to be retired until 2016. So, no it will not work on Verizon, ever.