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[Q] Locked bootloader?

I'm contemplating the idea of pre-ordering the X on Verizon because I love Moto's build quality. I had a Razr Maxx for a while and I loved the phone and, of course, the battery life. The only thing that really killed it for me was the locked bootloader. Has there been any word on whether or not it'll be locked on the VZW version? I'm hoping that since Google now owns Moto they'll allow the option to unlock it.

Lockett said:
I'm contemplating the idea of pre-ordering the X on Verizon because I love Moto's build quality. I had a Razr Maxx for a while and I loved the phone and, of course, the battery life. The only thing that really killed it for me was the locked bootloader. Has there been any word on whether or not it'll be locked on the VZW version? I'm hoping that since Google now owns Moto they'll allow the option to unlock it.
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Verizon Retail and AT&T Retail are locked. All other variants are unlockable, including a Verizon Developer Edition and North American Developer Edition.

mattlgroff said:
Verizon Retail and AT&T Retail are locked. All other variants are unlockable, including a Verizon Developer Edition and North American Developer Edition.
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Ahh that's what I figured would happen. They did the same thing with Razr's.

I saw this option to unlock the bootloader, through Motorola's Developer page. But it seems that if you unlocked the bootloader, you're forgoing the warranty on the device.

hidea said:
I saw this option to unlock the bootloader, through Motorola's Developer page. But it seems that if you unlocked the bootloader, you're forgoing the warranty on the device.
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That's how it is with any device, such as the Galaxy Nexus. I'm sure someone will come up with a program to root/unlock and unroot/lock.

[Q] moto x one day sale May 1:what's Dev Ed and do i need it/should i buy it?

Subj: moto x one day sale May 1:what's Dev Ed and do i need it/should i buy it?
[hoping u can reply w enough lead time b4 5/1]
I wouldn't classify myself as a power user far from it. Meaning never/wouldn't
know how to root and/or installing CyanogenMod and the likes. Given my
background, would there still be advantageous for me to buy the Dev Ed edition
SINCE it will BE THE SAME PRICE as the NON Dev Ed version (like maybe in resell
and other aspects u can think of but I haven't)?
Also isn't there/i think remember reading somewhere there is/might be security
issues with unlocked bootloader yes no??? What does unlocked bootloader do for Dev
people...and what could it do for the avg Joes?
what ur final recommendation: which version should i buy?

Dev has higher resale value than a 32gb version.
Rooting is nice for a few simple changes, you might like it.
Unless you absolutely must have a certain color combination I would go with the dev ed even if you never unlock or root it.

You don't even have to root your device its great as is.
Sent from my XT1058 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app

what about the unlocked bootload devices...is it true? what color(s) Dev Ed comes in?

what about the unlocked bootload devices exposed and less secure...is it true? what color(s) Dev Ed comes in?

can anyone tell me the pro's and con's of Dev & T-mobile versions.

Will the developer version work with T-Mobile's LTE network? The specifications page says it supports 700/AWS/1900MHz (B17/B4/B2) for LTE while T-Mobile's support page says their LTE works on 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz.
http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-4988

sweepsnregs said:
what about the unlocked bootload devices exposed and less secure...is it true? what color(s) Dev Ed comes in?
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The developer edition comes with woven white back, black front and silver accents. I've unlocked bootloaders on all my phones and if you know what you're doing, then you have no reason to worry.

ArunOnline said:
Will the developer version work with T-Mobile's LTE network? The specifications page says it supports 700/AWS/1900MHz (B17/B4/B2) for LTE while T-Mobile's support page says their LTE works on 1700 MHz and 2100 MHz.
http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-4988
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Yes it will work, AWS means 1700/2100 MHz, I just ordered the dev version also can't wait for it to come in!

Unless you REALLY want a certain color combo, I'd go with the Dev Edition. Just makes things so much easier without having to worry about rooting/unlocking/etc.

just ordered Unlocked GSM T-Mobile 32GB version, Can I flash it to dev edition ROM so that I can get a customized dev edition?

Dev Edition is the same as the unlocked GSM just with retaining warranty if you unlock bootloader
Sent from my XT1034 using XDA Free mobile app

sweepsnregs said:
Subj: moto x one day sale May 1:what's Dev Ed and do i need it/should i buy it?
[hoping u can reply w enough lead time b4 5/1]
I wouldn't classify myself as a power user far from it. Meaning never/wouldn't
know how to root and/or installing CyanogenMod and the likes. Given my
background, would there still be advantageous for me to buy the Dev Ed edition
SINCE it will BE THE SAME PRICE as the NON Dev Ed version (like maybe in resell
and other aspects u can think of but I haven't)?
Also isn't there/i think remember reading somewhere there is/might be security
issues with unlocked bootloader yes no??? What does unlocked bootloader do for Dev
people...and what could it do for the avg Joes?
what ur final recommendation: which version should i buy?
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im going to repeat what has been said by me and others in the countless threads asking this same question....
The two developer edition moto X's come in black face, woven white back, with silver accents (buttons and ring around camera), and say Developer Edition on back. They only come as 32 gig. When it comes to unlocking the bootloader, you can get the code from moto for free, and it does not void your warranty. Once the bootloader is unlocked you can install 3rd party recovery, root, or install 3rd party roms (by 3rd party, I mean non-moto)
The retail x comes as black face, woven black back, and silver accents, or white face, woven white back, and silver accents. Moto Maker can be customized. These come as 32 or 16 gig.
I'm not going to go into the reasons why, but Moto does NOT give out the bootloader unlock code for the Retail and MotoMaker X for Verizon, ATT and a few other carriers.
When it comes to hardware, the GSM Developer Edition (XT1053) is the same as the T-Mobile or Carrier Unlocked/Unbranded (XT1053) and uses the same ROMs. The big difference is getting the unlock code from Moto for the non-dev edition voids the warranty. When it comes to the (CDMA) Developer Edition X for Verizon, they too are identical hardware, but as said, you can't get the unlock code from Moto unless you have the Dev Ed. (Note: for a brief period, there was a Chinses site selling the codes, but it was shut down and is not presently available. No one knows for sure if it ever will be again)
If they are the exact same price, get the dev edition so you can unlock the bootloader without voiding the warranty.
If you have ATT, know that their X is the XT1058, you can not get its bootloader unlock code from Moto. More importantly, by specs support supports 2 additional LTE bands (originally said to only be used outside the USA, but lately there has been talk that ATT is using one of them now), but does not support HSPA on AWS ( used by t-mobile for non-LTE 4g, but t-mobile has been reframing their 1900 from 2g to HSPA in some areas). So if you have AT&T but got the gsm dev, you'd be at risk starts fully using one or both of those LTE bands in the USA. In the future.
As for why unlock the bootloader, what would the average Joe gain by it? See -> http://mark.cdmaforums.com/MotoX-Locked.html

Replying/note to self but don't mind sharing:
~4min mark starts getting into/talking about Dev Ed/unlocking bootloader/rooting/root https~~m.youtube.com/watch?v=4aS3Pk5gHFk&fulldescription=1 [Moto X Developer Edition Advantages ... Why would anyone want a Moto X DE phone if they aren't developing for android? Watch and find out if a
DE phone is right for you]

[Q] Which Moto X's receive updates from Motorola?

I'm looking to buy a used Moto X, and am trying to figure out which Moto X's receive updates from Motorola and not a carrier. I need a GSM phone and will be using a TMobile or AT&T MVNO in the US. I don't trust the carriers to continue pushing out Motorola's updates, so I'd rather just get them from Motorola directly.
My understanding is that the new dev versions and the retail, full-priced versions from Motorola will get updates. How do I identify those on the secondary market? Is it as simple as - if the back doesn't have a carrier logo, it gets updates from Motorola? Should I only be looking for an XT1053 and not an XT1058?
Looked in the FAQs and searched, but couldn't find an answer.
Thanks!

I could be wrong, but I don't think any of them get the update OTA straight from motorola. Even the dev and unlocked GSM's roms are labeled as T-Mobile retail. However, if you have one of those devices and an unlocked bootloader, you can download the system images straight from moto's website and easily install the updates yourself. So either version works in your case. The only difference is that you lose your warranty if you don't have a dev edition.
Sent from my XT1053 using XDA Free mobile app

That Ain't Falco!!! said:
I could be wrong, but I don't think any of them get the update OTA straight from motorola. Even the dev and unlocked GSM's roms are labeled as T-Mobile retail. However, if you have one of those devices and an unlocked bootloader, you can download the system images straight from moto's website and easily install the updates yourself. So either version works in your case. The only difference is that you lose your warranty if you don't have a dev edition.
Sent from my XT1053 using XDA Free mobile app
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Thanks for the answer. So, theoretically, it wouldn't matter which device I got. Good to know. Thanks!

511pf said:
I'm looking to buy a used Moto X, and am trying to figure out which Moto X's receive updates from Motorola and not a carrier. I need a GSM phone and will be using a TMobile or AT&T MVNO in the US. I don't trust the carriers to continue pushing out Motorola's updates, so I'd rather just get them from Motorola directly.
My understanding is that the new dev versions and the retail, full-priced versions from Motorola will get updates. How do I identify those on the secondary market? Is it as simple as - if the back doesn't have a carrier logo, it gets updates from Motorola? Should I only be looking for an XT1053 and not an XT1058?
Looked in the FAQs and searched, but couldn't find an answer.
Thanks!
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If you want to be able to use your phone on multiple carriers, definitely buy the XT1053.
The XT1053 comes bootloader-unlockable and sim-unlocked. If you buy the XT1058 AT&T variant, the bootloader cannot be unlocked (unless you are lucky enough to get a code from the china middleman), and the phones are SIM-Locked to AT&T (unusable on T-Mobile). Some have reported success getting a SIM-Unlock code from online sellers, but others have reported that they tried all of the online sellers and none of the unlock codes work.
If you want a phone that will 100% be usable on any GSM carrier, buy the XT1053.
All variants should [eventually] receive the updates.

Don't know about XT1053 but I got the XT1052 and it came with unlock-able bootloader too, and of course all GSM SIM cards are working.

511pf said:
I need a GSM phone and will be using a TMobile or AT&T MVNO in the US.
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In addition to what That Ain't Falco!!! said..
The ATT XT1058 doesn't support HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS(1700/2100mhz). When T-Mobile first launched their HSPA/HSPA+ network that is the frequency they used. While they are working to upgrade and re-farm their 1900Mhz spectrum to HSPA/HSPA+, in areas where they haven't yet completed that, the XT1058 would only get EDGE when using it on T-Mobile
While the GSM Unlocked XT1053 is sim unlocked out of the box and bootloader unlockable, unlocking the bootloader does void the warranty. The Dev Edition XT1053 can't be customized (comes as 32gig, black face, woven white back, silver accents and says Dev Edition on the back), but unlocking the bootloader does NOT void the warranty. But in reality, the hardware "inside" is exactly the same, and they use the same roms/updates.
If you want to root, its easiest/best if you can unlock the bootloader.

Great answers, guys. Thanks a ton for taking the time. I'm definitely going to look for the XT1053.

[Q] VZW Moto X Unlocked Bootloader?

I'm stuck on Verizon but I absolutely need a phone with an unlocked bootloader for what I'm trying to accomplish.
From what I can tell the Moto X seems like a good option. Unfortunately, what I've read seems to imply that the Verizon version's bootloader cannot be unlocked. Is that correct?
So other than getting the developer edition of the phone (which is obviously much more expensive), do the Verizon Moto Xs from the online motorola store have an unlocked bootloader or are they the same as one purchased from Verizon?
I apologize if this has been asked before, but I was unable to find a clear answer. Would really appreciate if someone could please clarify.
Thanks

newbie455 said:
I'm stuck on Verizon but I absolutely need a phone with an unlocked bootloader for what I'm trying to accomplish.
From what I can tell the Moto X seems like a good option. Unfortunately, what I've read seems to imply that the Verizon version's bootloader cannot be unlocked.
So other than getting the developer edition of the phone (which is obviously much more expensive), do the Verizon Moto Xs from the online motorola store have an unlocked bootloader?
I apologize if this has been asked before, but I was unable to find a clear answer.
Thanks
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Here is a list of "unlockable" Moto devices.. Its not the most current..but current enuff to answer your question..
Here >> https://motorola-global-portal.cust...sion/L3RpbWUvMTM5MjA4OTk3OC9zaWQvQ3FFdnNETWw=
Sent from my:
4.4.4_21.11.21 (Unlocked)
XT1080M Droid Maxx #2
http://waynekent.com/page6.html
"Praise Jah" YOU people.!

newbie455 said:
I'm stuck on Verizon but I absolutely need a phone with an unlocked bootloader for what I'm trying to accomplish.
From what I can tell the Moto X seems like a good option. Unfortunately, what I've read seems to imply that the Verizon version's bootloader cannot be unlocked. Is that correct?
So other than getting the developer edition of the phone (which is obviously much more expensive), do the Verizon Moto Xs from the online motorola store have an unlocked bootloader or are they the same as one purchased from Verizon?
I apologize if this has been asked before, but I was unable to find a clear answer. Would really appreciate if someone could please clarify.
Thanks
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Get the Developer Eidtion for Verizon. I think it's on sale ending today. There's a coupon code floating around I saw that will take off $100 dollars or so.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/07/18/deal-alert-moto-x-going-least-100-coupon-code-motorola-com/
Coupon Code

newbie455 said:
I'm stuck on Verizon but I absolutely need a phone with an unlocked bootloader for what I'm trying to accomplish.
From what I can tell the Moto X seems like a good option. Unfortunately, what I've read seems to imply that the Verizon version's bootloader cannot be unlocked. Is that correct?
So other than getting the developer edition of the phone (which is obviously much more expensive), do the Verizon Moto Xs from the online motorola store have an unlocked bootloader or are they the same as one purchased from Verizon?
I apologize if this has been asked before, but I was unable to find a clear answer. Would really appreciate if someone could please clarify.
Thanks
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WHen it comes to the Moto X for Verizon there are 3 ways to get it... Developer Edition (on Moto's Dev Edition web site), Moto Maker edition (Moto's web site), or Verizon store (aka Retail edition).
The Retail and Moto Maker X for Verizon have their bootloaders LOCKED. Motorola does NOT give out the bootloader unlock code. The only way to unlock it, would be if the Chinese Middleman (see thread in general section) is still available and selling codes, but he hasn't been as reliable lately (some users have received wrong code, some have received message back saying no code available).
They use the same rom, radio, baseband, etc. They have the same software pre-installed, the same features, etc.
The Dev Edition comes only as Black Front, woven white back that says Dev Edition, silver accents (buttons and camera ring), 32gig, and unlocking the bootloader does NOT void the warranty.
The Moto Maker and Retail are basically the same, except available as 16 or 32 gig, fully customizable front/back/accents, and unlocking is not possible via Motorola. The only possibility is IF the Chinese Middleman will sell the code.

[Q] VZW Moto X 1060 -- no hackee?

I liked Cyan on my old Droid X but it looks like from a quick glance at the Guides and Tips page that I won't be able to even do a Clockwork Recovery let alone a new modded OS like Cyanogenmod.
Did I read that right? Assuming so, is there anything evil I can do to this phone?

You are on Verizon, so your bootloader can't be unlocked at the Moto site. You can try Sunshine for $25. That's your only hope.
And I'll ask your question be moved to the Q&A section. ?

Thx. How odd they'd lock it then charge $25 to unlock it-- that seems so Apple-esque. I bought this phone used, so I'm unlikely to throw much more money at it, but it's nice to have the option.
Shux.

JZLxxx said:
Thx. How odd they'd lock it then charge $25 to unlock it-- that seems so Apple-esque. I bought this phone used, so I'm unlikely to throw much more money at it, but it's nice to have the option.
Shux.
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I think you misunderstand. The $25 unlock is a third-party exploit developed by JCase and a number of other talented developers. If you are on VZW, that is the only way to unlock, but it is far from official. Plus, it rarely works on 4.4.4 for the Moto X. I think most people would be ok if VZW offered a reasonable priced paid unlock, but I doubt we ever see that.

What did you expect after buying a locked phone on Verizon? If you value rooting, look into buying phones with easily unlockable bootloaders. Folks are lucky to have sunshine as it is
Sent from my XT1060

Ah, I didn't realize it was a 3rd party thing.
rocketsaucev2 said:
What did you expect after buying a locked phone on Verizon? If you value rooting, look into buying phones with easily unlockable bootloaders. Folks are lucky to have sunshine as it is
Sent from my XT1060
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I didn't research it much, but I was a little confuzzled by a webpage that led me to think I could (A person needs 10 posts to insert a link?). I was able to put Cyan on my VZW Droid X, e.g.
Was that supposed to be helpful?

JZLxxx said:
I didn't research it much, but I was a little confuzzled by a webpage that led me to think I could (A person needs 10 posts to insert a link?). I was able to put Cyan on my VZW Droid X, e.g.
Was that supposed to be helpful?
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A little history...
The Verizon XT1060 has always shipped with a locked bootloader. This prevents flashing ROMs or Parts (like custom recovery) from being flashed to the phone. Only Roms signed by Moto and intended for that model and carrier can be flashed.
A Developer Edition For Verizon Moto X was available from Moto's web site only. For that device, Moto would give out the bootloader unlock code. Once unlocked, you could flash 3rd party roms and parts. With the Dev Edition, you did not void your warranty while doing this.
Verizon stores and Moto's Moto Maker web site also sold the X for Verizon, but for these not Developer Editions, you could NOT get the BootLoader Unlock code.
Later, someone was able to gain access to a database of IMEI numbers and their BootLoader Unlock codes, even for Verizon Non-Dev Editions and started selling them via a China web site, and later Middle Man. While it went away for a little over a month, it later came back. It has recently shut down again.
JCASE and others had found a vulnerability they could exploit to unlock the bootloader, no unlock code needed. Its called Sunshine. But it only works on phones which haven't even been upgraded to 4.4.4.
So depending on what you read, it could be "dated" and written at a time where you could have purchased the bootloader unlock code from the China Website or Middleman.