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Anyone notice that optical image stabilization is missing in the specifications? I just did a quick search and found several sources saying its digital stabilization. A little bummed about that. Thoughts anyone? :crying:
From the videos, its pretty stable with digital stabilization compared to other smartphones no?
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From the videos, its pretty stable with digital stabilization compared to other smartphones no?
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Yeah, can't wait for a couple full blown reviews. If anything, hopefully they will bundle the qx10 for preorders in the US too. I hear the qx10 has the optical stabilization. I'm just worried about the low light blurriness. I had the 1020 and it was fantastic.
Smartphone makers try to close the image quality gap between their phones and actual camera.
However, to be honest, I do not rely to much to phone camera.
Their lens can't and sensors can't compare to actual camera even point and shot one, not saying SLR cameras.
Anyway, a phone without a camera is also something should be in history.
It doesn't have optical image stabilization. That's why the night shots aren't so good. OIS allows for slower shutter speed and more exposure. The digital image stabilization is only used for video. All phones have this already. The Lumia 920/925, Lumia 1020, Note 3, HTC One, and LG G2 have OIS, but Sony chickened out and wanted a FLAT camera with no bump because it ruins their sense of aesthetic. They could probably make it even thinner and flatter if they removed the camera and battery completely. How about removing all the internals? A beautiful sliver thin paperweight that looks nice as long as you don't touch it and smudge it up with your filthy plebeian fingers. I'm sure there are many buyers among the Sony loyalists for this sort of product.
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It doesn't have optical image stabilization. That's why the night shots aren't so good. OIS allows for slower shutter speed and more exposure. The digital image stabilization is only used for video. All phones have this already. The Lumia 920/925, Lumia 1020, Note 3, HTC One, and LG G2 have OIS, but Sony chickened out and wanted a FLAT camera with no bump because it ruins their sense of aesthetic. They could probably make it even thinner and flatter if they removed the camera and battery completely. How about removing all the internals? A beautiful sliver thin paperweight that looks nice as long as you don't touch it and smudge it up with your filthy plebeian fingers. I'm sure there are many buyers among the Sony loyalists for this sort of product.
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Dude, what is your problem? It's only a phone with camera that can rival with the best currently available when it comes to pure picture quality. It bests S4 in low light shots and rivals 1020, in daylight photos you can clearly see more details compared to S4 (which by many is considered to have the best camera on android). What is true is that Sony still needs to improve their algorithm but even as it is now it can produce exceptional photos even in full 20mpix resolution.
Stop acting like a baby!!
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Dude, what is your problem? It's only a phone with camera that can rival with the best currently available when it comes to pure picture quality. It bests S4 in low light shots and rivals 1020, in daylight photos you can clearly see more details compared to S4 (which by many is considered to have the best camera on android). What is true is that Sony still needs to improve their algorithm but even as it is now it can produce exceptional photos even in full 20mpix resolution.
Stop acting like a baby!!
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I think that we all just wanted them to do it right you know? They went out to make a great camera phone and it feels like they stopped 5% away from the finish line. Still, will probably be a great phone and a great camera.
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I think that we all just wanted them to do it right you know? They went out to make a great camera phone and it feels like they stopped 5% away from the finish line. Still, will probably be a great phone and a great camera.
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There'a a difference between disappointment and senseless bashing and that is what I was criticizing.
I agree that it is a shame that they weren't able to include OIS or sensor shift but I think that it could have been currently impossible with such a big sensor and bigger lens than other manufacturers. It is a shame but it's not something that automatically makes it worse than G2 or note 3/S4, on the contrary I still think that it'll end up doing better pictures than both of them.
Sony SteadyShot
It's not all down hill guys, the Z1 has Sony's SteadyShot technology in it, it just appears to only work in video mode which imo is best place, I suppose there will be more clarification once it's out......http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-z1/features/#camera
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It doesn't have optical image stabilization. That's why the night shots aren't so good. OIS allows for slower shutter speed and more exposure. The digital image stabilization is only used for video. All phones have this already. The Lumia 920/925, Lumia 1020, Note 3, HTC One, and LG G2 have OIS, but Sony chickened out and wanted a FLAT camera with no bump because it ruins their sense of aesthetic. They could probably make it even thinner and flatter if they removed the camera and battery completely. How about removing all the internals? A beautiful sliver thin paperweight that looks nice as long as you don't touch it and smudge it up with your filthy plebeian fingers. I'm sure there are many buyers among the Sony loyalists for this sort of product.
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You sound completely mental.
OIS.. will increase quality for low light shot without question...because of ISO..dont know the ISO range.. any one knows?
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OIS.. will increase quality for low light shot without question...because of ISO..dont know the ISO range.. any one knows?
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6400 it says on the Sony site I linked it 2 posts back.
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It doesn't have optical image stabilization. That's why the night shots aren't so good. OIS allows for slower shutter speed and more exposure. The digital image stabilization is only used for video. All phones have this already. The Lumia 920/925, Lumia 1020, Note 3, HTC One, and LG G2 have OIS, but Sony chickened out and wanted a FLAT camera with no bump because it ruins their sense of aesthetic. They could probably make it even thinner and flatter if they removed the camera and battery completely. How about removing all the internals? A beautiful sliver thin paperweight that looks nice as long as you don't touch it and smudge it up with your filthy plebeian fingers. I'm sure there are many buyers among the Sony loyalists for this sort of product.
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You're just trolling. I've been checking on the photo samples from the Z1 for the past couple days cause I'm considering getting one. I've been waiting for HTC to announce the One Max, but the lack of doing so at the IFA completely made me give up on them and push me toward getting a Z1 instead. At first I noticed the photos had a lot of noise from the Z1 photo samples, but it seems like the noise was taken cared of via software update. The lack of OIS doesn't exactly affect the quality of the photos so far from what I see. The photo samples from the Z1 look more natural than 1020's which had a yellow tint to it. The photos were so defined when comparing the HTC One under low light condition and HTC One is only a bit behind on 1020 under low light condition.
Really, i think at this point we all just need to get our hands on one and give it a shot. The sample photos floating around on the internet certainly haven't been flattering but that could be due to any number of variables. Any word on US release yet?
Exposure is basically the AMOUNT OF LIGHT (controlled by the aperture) that is captured over a SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF TIME (controlled by the shutter speed).
A HIGH aperture number (fstop) = LESS light being recorded on your digital sensor while a LOW aperture number = MORE light being recorded on your digital sensor. apertures are called fstops
Shutter speed: it is the amount of time your shutter stays open when you click the button
The longer your shutter stays open the more motion it will have time to record. The shorter the time your shutter remains open, the more motion it will freeze. But at low light you need more exposure
ISO rating along with the shutter speed and aperture setting are the three elements that determine the final exposure of the photographic image.
The ISO rating, which ranges in value from 25 to 6400 (or beyond), indicates the specific light sensitivity. The lower the number, the less sensitive to light the film stock or image sensor is. Conversely, a higher number indicates a higher sensitivity to light, thereby allowing that film or image sensor to work better in low light conditions.
the lower ISO rating also meant that the photosensitive grains of salt on the film acetate were very fine, thus producing a smoother, cleaner image. A higher ISO had larger, jagged grains of salt, thus producing “rougher” or grainier images.
Lower ISO ratings produce color-accurate, smooth and aesthetically appealing images… and this requires ideal lighting conditions. However, there are some subjects that you want to photograph in low light conditions. Or, you may want to stop fast-moving objects. In both situations, you need higher ISOs to capture those images with an acceptable exposure.with the higher ISOs, you can use faster shutter speeds to eliminate motion blur and/or camera shake. In the event that you want to use motion blur creatively, then decreasing the ISO is simple, and you can then decrease the shutter speed to achieve the desired motion blur and still have smooth, noise-less images.
The size of the digital camera’s image sensor dictates what ISO setting provides the least amount of digital noise. One must understand that image sensor size is not the same thing as pixel count. Image sensor size is the actual physical dimensions of the sensor, for most of the history of digital photography the image sensor has been smaller than a 35mm film frame. On point and shoot cameras, the sensor was quite small, and on most DSLR cameras, the image sensor has been the size of APC film (23x15mm). Smaller image sensors produce much more digital noise at higher ISOs (like 800) mainly because the high pixel count means that more pixels are being packed into a smaller area, thus producing more grain at all but the lowest ISO.
Whenever you shoot in low light or use a long lens, or if you simply aren't holding a camera steady, you risk introducing camera shake into your images. This manifests itself as a blurring of details, and unlike other image quality issues it's not something that can be fixed in post-processing.
The three main image stabilisation systems on offer:
Manufacturers have different names for lens-based stabilisation, but they all largely work in the same way.
ISO based
All but the cheapest compacts offer image stabilisation, and the easiest solution from the manufacturer's point of view is one based on sensitivity. This adds nothing to the manufacturing of a camera as it's simply the ISO which needs to be adjusted, easily handled by the camera's firmware.
As this is the most basic form of image stabilisation, and as other types are preferable, manufacturers often call it 'digital' image stabilisation in press releases and throughout specification lists.
With this type of image stabilisation, the camera looks at the focal length and shutter speed being used, and decides whether the two will create a sharp enough image. If it deems them to be inadequate the camera's sensitivity will be raised, which in turn increases the shutter speed, but the resulting signal will need to be amplified to a greater extent.
So, a camera could choose to raise an image that would be otherwise captured at 1/20sec to 1/80sec, but it would need to raise the sensitivity twofold. So, from ISO 100 this would rise to ISO 400, from ISO 200 to ISO 800 and so on.
The image is still captured sharply as a more appropriate shutter speed has been used, but this process gives rise to noise which is typical with images captured at higher sensitivities. For this reason other systems are preferable in more expensive cameras and lenses. In many compacts, this method is often complemented by sensor-based stabilisation.
Sensor based
Sensor-based stabilisation also uses information such as focal length and shutter speed on which to base its calculations, but instead of adjusting the sensitivity the camera physically moves the sensor.
The sensor will typically be mounted on a platform, which will move to compensate for any movement when the camera senses it is necessary.
Minolta first introduced the feature in its DiMAGE A1 camera back in 2003, and, after merging with Konica, incorporated it into the 7D DSLR.
Sony continued the feature when it took over Konica Minolta's imaging business, and was soon joined by Pentax, Olympus and others. All three companies continue to use the system today, and it has since been adopted by other manufacturers for their own hybrid systems and compacts.
In the case of DSLRs and hybrids, this type of image stabilisation brings the significant advantage of allowing lenses to be made smaller, lighter and cheaper (as they do not need to incorporate any form of image stabilisation themselves), and is effective with virtually any mounted lens. This is particularly handy in the case of older lenses which predate image stabilisation technology, although it may be necessary to first input the focal length of the lens into the camera, depending on the lens, camera and the nature of communication between the two.
Lens based
Lens-based image stabilisation came just before digital cameras were made accessible, but the two have more or less evolved over a similar space of time.
Today, the technology is found in a range of optics manufactured by Canon and Nikon (particularly those targeted towards the professional), as well throughout the ranges from independent lens manufacturers Sigma and Tamron. Panasonic also uses the system in its lenses designed for the Micro Four Thirds system, as well as those found in its Lumix range of compacts.
Lens-based stabilisation systems typically work by shifting a lens group towards the rear of the lens on a plane perpendicular to the optical axis.
This is done with the help of two gyro sensors inside the lens, one for yaw and one for pitch. These notice the angle and speed of any movement, and this information is fed to a microprocessor which computes the necessary adjustments needed to be made by the lens group. By doing so, the light's angle of refraction is changed so that it hits the sensor in the right place.
Manufacturers of these systems claim that this type of stabilisation is the most effective as it can be tailored specifically to the objective in which it us used. And, as stabilisation takes place in the lens, the photographer is able to view the effect through the viewfinder.
Typically this activates once the shutter release has been half-depressed, although it is possible on different camera/lens combinations to set when the stabilisation begins, such as only at the moment of capture, for example. This has the additional benefit of conserving power, as, left on all the time, lens-based image stabilisation systems can eat up battery power fairly quickly.
One recent development in this area is Canon's Hybrid IS system, which offers two types of correction.
The first is via an angular velocity sensor which notices rotational shake, which is found in existing image-stabilised lenses.
Canon 100mmThe second - and what makes the Hybrid IS system different - is a separate sensor for noticing camera shift (linear) movements, such as when a camera moves up, down, left or right while remaining parallel to the subject. Canon claims that by incorporating both sensors camera shake is better corrected.
Now i guess everyone got importance of OIS feature..
And i tried the camera of xperia Z1.. the picture was blurry at full zoom. but noise was absent..I feel low noise is more important than full zoom blur...because the photo is excellent for normal usage
wow, thank you that was a great read.
Hi.
I currently have an Xperia SP and i found the battery life to be pretty good for the tasks and routines i do everyday. It seems that Sony has properly optimised the OS and battery life on their phones this time.
But the biggest issue of my Xperia SP was the camera. Zoom is atrocious and near abysmal with lots of noise and artefacts. Burst mode and shot-to-shots/in-between shots was non-existent. Lag was a mile wide. ANY type of image stabilisation was just nothing.
Is the Z1 camera zoom unlike the SP's?
gino_76ph said:
Hi.
I currently have an Xperia SP and i found the battery life to be pretty good for the tasks and routines i do everyday. It seems that Sony has properly optimised the OS and battery life on their phones this time.
But the biggest issue of my Xperia SP was the camera. Zoom is atrocious and near abysmal with lots of noise and artefacts. Burst mode and shot-to-shots/in-between shots was non-existent. Lag was a mile wide. ANY type of image stabilisation was just nothing.
Is the Z1 camera zoom unlike the SP's?
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Really wouldn't recommend zooming on a smartphone unless it's optical. But the camera itself is alot better. But low light is awful
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technostein said:
Really wouldn't recommend zooming on a smartphone unless it's optical. But the camera itself is alot better. But low light is awful
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Does the Z1 have not got optical image stabilisation?
Would you say any phone with OIS is good?
It doesn't have OIS no...
And zooming on a smartphone is always crap, same as when you zoom in on a picture on the computer. Optical zoom != Optical Image Stabilization. OIS is great but doesn't define the phone, LG2 has OIS but still has issues with low light scenes. Also, OIS is only useful when shooting stills, it only corrects for minor movement of the phone itself not for movement of other objects.
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OIS is great but doesn't define the phone, LG2 has OIS but still has issues with low light scenes. Also, OIS is only useful when shooting stills, it only corrects for minor movement of the phone itself not for movement of other objects.
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The irony is that the one of the best benefits of OIS would be to stabilize the device when using a separate camera button because that causes mild movement. And ironically the phone that has OIS (LG G2) doesn't have a camera button and the one that has the button (Xperia Z1) doesn't have OIS Another benefit for OIS would be when taking pictures in cold weather such as winter or on skiing trips if the cold is enough to cause hands to shake a bit.
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The irony is that the one of the best benefits of OIS would be to stabilize the device when using a separate camera button because that causes mild movement. And ironically the phone that has OIS (LG G2) doesn't have a camera button and the one that has the button (Xperia Z1) doesn't have OIS Another benefit for OIS would be when taking pictures in cold weather such as winter or on skiing trips if the cold is enough to cause hands to shake a bit.
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Heh, indeed... I am a big fan of OIS btw (Had the Lumia920 for a while, worked wonders there). But it's not the holy grail (but indeed, I wish the Z1 had it).
It would seem that's one of the major "flaws" of the Z1...having no OIS. I'm quite happy with my G2 when it comes to stills. Not much into taking videos though.
One factor i'm looking in a phone is the shutter lag. My old S3 LTE and my other phone (iPhone 5C) has an almost instantaneous/zero shutter lag just by tapping the on-screen shutter button. For me its a big advantage on a phone.
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It would seem that's one of the major "flaws" of the Z1...having no OIS. I'm quite happy with my G2 when it comes to stills. Not much into taking videos though.
One factor i'm looking in a phone is the shutter lag. My old S3 LTE and my other phone (iPhone 5C) has an almost instantaneous/zero shutter lag just by tapping the on-screen shutter button. For me its a big advantage on a phone.
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I wouldn't classify the lack of OIS as a major flaw, it's just a deficiency of something that could be useful and improve the camera.
But having OIS is STILL better IMO. Having something that helps even for a little means a lot overall.
Hey everyone,
Is someone able to speak to the quality of the front camera on these? I have the HD 8, the front camera is advertised as "HD" (probably 2 MP) and performs surprisingly well.
I'm curious about the quality of the front camera on the 7. It's advertised as VGA, so probably .3 MP. I've used some of the low end Dragon Touch tablets with .3 MP front cameras and the quality is *terrible*, it easily took 5+ seconds to focus on anything. But part of that could be the camera app, the manufacturer of the sensor itself or something else to do with the quality of the hardware.
At $150, the HD 8 isn't prohibitively expensive, but it would be nice to get away with the $50 7 instead. The main functionality I'm looking for is whether it's able to focus in and scan a QR code (version 2 density) quickly.
Thanks!
Just tried it. The front camera takes the photo fast enough, but the image is very smudgy and a bit too high contrast. It's VGA. It would be ok for video chat in a well lit environment but not for much else. If you're one of those 'selfie' types, you'll want a different camera. :laugh:
The 2mp camera on the back seems to be a bit better, but then it should be. Needs to be changed to 4:3 to use the full sensor, as it defaults to 16:9. The HDR mode improves picture quality by a fair margin. Especially unintentionally overexposed ones. As with all these cheapo cameras you will have to hold the whole device still to get a clear shot.
Neither camera is anything special and I'd say both are below average. The 1.9mp camera in my Samsung Gear smartwatch is leaps and bounds above the image quality of this Asus Fire tablet and it's 2 years older with a similar lens size.
The app for the camera does the job but is very basic with few options to change.
this video shows both front and rear cammeras
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSpPRJ7wghY
You're beautiful and everyone knows it. That's why you take selfies. Rate this thread to express how the front-facing camera of the LG V10 performs. A higher rating indicates that the front camera produces fantastic results consistently.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
LG V10
I come from the note 3 and barely took selfie because of the low quality in the low light and it's narrow angle. However, i am taking selfie with LG V10 while i am in vacation now and have convinced my parents that selfie sticks are not needed due to exception camera quality, so i am happy with the possibility it provides. Also, it clears my skin pretty good automatically
Processing is terrible for front facing camera. I'm sure the hardware can perform well, but all shots look extremely artificial. Even with beauty mode off.
IMHO if you're ugly no amount of camera hardware or software can make you look good, even at a beauty setting of 11...
On that note, I think my selfies looks decent enough. Where are you posting them anyways, doesn't each site downgrade the pictures' quaility anyways?
I agree with PsychDrummer. Plus coming from the S6, the S6 was more vibrant and crisp.
Compared to the G4, the front facing camera(s) are sort of lack-luster. Is there anything that can be done to improve quality?
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Processing is terrible for front facing camera. I'm sure the hardware can perform well, but all shots look extremely artificial. Even with beauty mode off.
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I totally agree with the beauty mode it's a little too much even turn off like you said. I'm not a front-facing picture kind of guy these are just my 2 cents, simple software update should take care of this, other than that best phone I ever owned.
The selfie camera really sucks. Even with the smoothing turned all the way down.
I like it .... and I like the option to choose two different lenses when shooting.
Having the Glamour Feature is a win-win too.
You're beautiful and everyone knows it. That's why you take selfies. Rate this thread to express how the front-facing camera of the HTC 10 performs. A higher rating indicates that the front camera produces fantastic results consistently.
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Pretty bad
I think it is excellent, sharp and clear!
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yes its bad, coming from a note 5.
its really good from m9. And love how there is a "flash" for selfies on the 10.
I think is great too, coming from a Galaxy S4
I have the m9 and my sister has the 10 and I have to say the m9 is way better in low light and looks better picture wise but in video the 10 is better
not use the front camera
Does the front camera autofocus?
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Does the front camera autofocus?
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I have experienced a lot of issues with my front facing camera in Snapchat regarding focusing
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I have experienced a lot of issues with my front facing camera in Snapchat regarding focusing
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I have noticed this also. This happens because you cant touch to focus in snapchat. The stock camera app can take amazing from facing photos when you can touch to focus. The auto focus doesnt kick in like it probably should =/
I think most of phone now including HTC 10, still have focusing issue in front camera.. hope they fix that
not bad, but not LG, Sony or Samsung quality.
I have the problem that the front facing cam only delivers sharp pictures while holding the cam no too far away. This even happens with the HTC camera app. When I hold my arm fully streched, the image is never 100% sharp. The view finder shows a sharp picture but the result is blurred. I really start to worry that my front facing lens might be broken. But if this was correct, the preview was also blurred, right?
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I have the problem that the front facing cam only delivers sharp pictures while holding the cam no too far away. This even happens with the HTC camera app. When I hold my arm fully streched, the image is never 100% sharp. The view finder shows a sharp picture but the result is blurred. I really start to worry that my front facing lens might be broken. But if this was correct, the preview was also blurred, right?
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This was officially fixed with 1.90.x.
Was fiddling with devcheck, and stumbled onto the tabs for front camera. It seems to me that the front camera is RAW capable. Can anybody confirm or deny this claim? If so, I would love some app recommendations that can squeeze out every ounce of RAW goodness from it. Thank you all in advance!
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I have experienced a lot of issues with my front facing camera in Snapchat regarding focusing
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It was a Snapchat error. We have got it fixed finally by rating it bad on the Play Store and mentioning our problems while writing the reviews xD. Its wonderful now.
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Maybe the latest software update had to do something with that because Snapchat sucked big time for me, both front and back camera video and picture.
Hello yeah
I come from the m7 and I'm delighted of course by the quality.
I have a comparison had an s5 and s7 edge in comparison and grade videos made from a clear winner.
My favorite is, although I am also a fan of the s7, the m10.
Unfortunately, I was disappointed somewhat in poorer light conditions due to my high expectations.
Overall I am but more than happy with the cam
Absolutely terrible. So bad, in fact that its' one of the things that I'm jumping ship to another brand next time. They advertised this as having OIS and being special, but the focus range is whack because they went with a Samsung sensor that was having issues and the post processing is WAAAAAAAAAAAAY too aggressive. I find mid range and high end phones from like 3 years ago are better looking because they are actually in focus and don't look strangely digital.