Hello
Sorry if i'm posting in the wrong section. I don't know if this a general inquiry or dream specific. I've been an HTC head for quite some time, the dash being one of my faves until my g1. When I had my dash i was able to get everything I needed component and info wise in order to have a friend help me out with flashing. the thing is being WM obviously the flashing had to be done w a PC.
Me, I'm an Apple head. Is it possible to accomplish any flashing, updating, mods etc for Android/G1 via MAC OS X. Or am I just stuck. I would just like to be able to trick my phone out and experiment with things and not have to find someone who will do it for me. Any responses would be appreciated.
Oh and thanks for all the hard work you guys put in. It definitely makes new technology that more enjoyable.
Thanks
Docfugazi.
If you are just looking to root your phone and flash a new ROM, there's not that much to it. Many tutorials can be found under this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=519523
If you want to start putting together your own ROMs, more power to you! I would start here (this worked on my MacBook Pro w/Leopard).
Download the Mac OS X version of the android source from here:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/1.5_r3/index.html
Install with these directions (follow these step by step):
http://developer.android.com/sdk/1.5_r3/installing.html
I also chose to install Eclipse (Ganymede version); it works well for me.
This will give you the SDK, a good programming environment, and of course adb.
ahhh. thanks for the response. right now i want to be able flash. If i can accomplish that there's no telling what i'll get into. flirting with this stuff is addictive! thanks soo much!
Hi Guru's.
Im back and i got my new gadget but im not too sure what to do on it quiet yet. i been searching online all day to try and find a better market place and been seeing all this tec talk that i dont understand about APK's and roots stuff. So im hopeing that some one will be able to help me a little by DUMBING some terms and directions down for me so i can make the best of my tablet or it will be returned and ill have the easy IPAD come tax returns lol.
Im tec savy, but yall are so good at what you do here so im hoping that some nice person will guide me in the right direction.
Also ive seen some threads with questions on what apps to install and such, but then i was confused on which apps to really install beucase folk has had issues with the apps that they installed. so believe me before i get a ignorant response to my topic i have done my leg work and ive read over 50 pages of talk about this tablet. And i have an idea on what to do but im still not sure.
Thanks a Bunch
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Unfortunately I am also not so great with this but will explain some terms as best I can...(I'm also a noob)
APK: Is the term used for applications on the Android Operating System.
Root: Is a term that describes unlocking your phone's true potential. This is accomplished because normally the Android OS has certain permissions unlocked for the user and other super permissions locked. This defines what the unrooted OS will let you do to the device without harming it. Rooting basically unlocks those hidden(super) permissions allowing you to do much more to the software and hardware like overclocking your CPU to make it faster... umm also allows you to do things like backup applications or extract them and on some devices play around or look through the device's scripts and system files. Ask the community about rooting as they can probably explain it better than I can. Sorry!
Sadly about the Market, it is not fully unlocked in all countries and I think you need special licensing to access certain apps or apks on the market. As for your Silvania I would recommend going to Androidtablets.net and search for your device. There is a mini community there for your tablet, maybe you can get more help there.
this tablet become truly enjoyable once you have the real Marketplace on it.
I put together a walk through that takes you through all the steps necessary to get it installed and working on your tablet here.
I take zero credit for any of the work that went into getting it working. I mainly made the page as a reference for myself in-case i need to do it again.
If you hit a snag let me know and i'll do what i can to help.
just as a note i also have the gingerbread keyboard and live wallpapers working on mine. i'll see how my market guide is received before i put together anything about putting these others on our tablet.
I tried posting this earlier but couldn't post links at the time but I ran across a GUI for Gladroot today. It doesn't look like it does much but makes the process even easier.
The GUI was found at http://www.android-advice.com/2011/gui-for-gladroot4-2/ ... I have been watching Android Advice for a while and it doesn't seem like they have great devs but they do seem to post some interesting stuff that other people come up with.
Kind of like a collection of only the mods and root threads here, android central, atrix froums etc.
Let me know if anyone tries the GUI, I am already on 4.1.83 and really don't feel like flashing back just to see if it works lol.
As per what they wrote, all it does is run the .bat files but it just has big large buttons to push. You still have to read the cmd windows. So if the bat files already work the gui should theoreticaly work aswell
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Mofiki said:
I tried posting this earlier but couldn't post links at the time but I ran across a GUI for Gladroot today. It doesn't look like it does much but makes the process even easier.
The GUI was found at http://www.android-advice.com/2011/gui-for-gladroot4-2/ ... I have been watching Android Advice for a while and it doesn't seem like they have great devs but they do seem to post some interesting stuff that other people come up with.
Kind of like a collection of only the mods and root threads here, android central, atrix froums etc.
Let me know if anyone tries the GUI, I am already on 4.1.83 and really don't feel like flashing back just to see if it works lol.
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Wow, thanks. Looks pretty fancy.
Interesting
Looks good. Nice post!
Ok we tried it on a friends phone and it works fine although it is what they say "just a GUI for the batch files you already have". I guess it could be useful for people that aren't tech savvy at all but for the community here its probably not that useful.
Hi XDA,
Before I put my query here, I must say this is a Kick-ass site I have come across in the recent years . From the Noods video to the 'Similar threads' feature that I see when I am about the write this post. Cool stuff and during my 2 hours reading threads, I see Dr.K is the most awesome and patient guy in this forum. Keep up the good work, I guess I will do my part from today too
Now coming to the point...
I am confused if I have to root my phone. I am actually very happy with my phone and its feature except for the fact that I get annoyed whenever I run out of credits while playing games like Contract Killer, Gun Bros etc on my mobile. When I Googled, I came across a few tricks which requires access to the root.
Now I need a little help here to convince myself to root my mobile. Please guys I did read a lot of forums but my only reason to root is for games. Should I or should I not.
btw my Kernel version ends with LB2.
Please advice
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Hi XDA,
Before I put my query here, I must say this is a Kick-ass site I have come across in the recent years . From the Noods video to the 'Similar threads' feature that I see when I am about the write this post. Cool stuff and during my 2 hours reading threads, I see Dr.K is the most awesome and patient guy in this forum. Keep up the good work, I guess I will do my part from today too
Now coming to the point...
I am confused if I have to root my phone. I am actually very happy with my phone and its feature except for the fact that I get annoyed whenever I run out of credits while playing games like Contract Killer, Gun Bros etc on my mobile. When I Googled, I came across a few tricks which requires access to the root.
Now I need a little help here to convince myself to root my mobile. Please guys I did read a lot of forums but my only reason to root is for games. Should I or should I not.
btw my Kernel version ends with LB2.
Please advice
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You can refer this link for similar kind of post!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1558650
Its not difficult anymore. There are PC odin rooted roms in dev section, it won't change your custom binary counter.
Here you go
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1535025
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I am confused if I have to root my phone
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when you'll be ready to root, you will know it
rooting means you can do much more things with your phone, and more free stuff
Looks like kinguser and supersu are going head to head.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61899071&postcount=1277
I sort of agree with kingteam on this, without their hard work there would be no root for a lot of people.
On the other hand they shouldn't force a third party app on to someone's device, but maybe offer it as part of the root process.
Still supersu doesn't block users from changing to another super user app, so they shouldn't neither.
So now we know why Chainfire won't support kinguser in flashfire.
hopefully Kingteam changes their policy about removing their propriety apps. Super-sume wouldn't have been made if it were for Kingteam's policies.
The question is why anyone who offers a rooting method wishes to force the use of their software.
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The question is why anyone who offers a rooting method wishes to force the use of their software.
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Well i think thats obvious. If youve ever spent time and effort developing something you'd understand, its not nice that a developer puts all the effort in and then the glory is taken by another. Its obvious Kingteam put a lot of effort into their root methods and creating the root management for it to just be immediately removed without even trying it. Its actually quite good, i used it for months on my htc m8 to no ill effect.
Itd be a shame if they decided to throw in the towel and discontinue any more development because of it.
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Well i think thats obvious. If youve ever spent time and effort developing something you'd understand, its not nice that a developer puts all the effort in and then the glory is taken by another....
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I don't think this is about glory. I understand your point but ... the whole idea of rooting is to gain control of your device, so prohibiting you from being able to choose what you have running on your device is defeating that purpose and fundamental principle.
Although I'm prepared to accept that their reasons for doing this may not be malicious it does little to encourage trust when they appear this desperate to stop you removing their software especially since it has root access. AFAIK this isn't open source and perhaps a lot of other stuff isn't but we have a basis of trust in most of those cases.
IMHO their strategy should be as any other dev who has gained a reputation, through the right channels (such as Chainfire). It takes time but their efforts and results would speak for itself and they could allay any fears by showing their code is safe. IF they really want people to TRY their software then the route to this is not to create fear and doubt about the integrity of their software but to do the exact opposite and allow people to have peace of mind whilst they give it a bash.
They claim that their reaction to Chainfire et al not responding to their communication has resulted in the denial to the user of the rights to choose what software runs on their devices. This reaction to me is rather childish and does little to persuade the likes of Chainfire or Supersume devs to change their minds.
They (Chainfire / Supersume) may or may not be actively trying to throw this software out or 'bad mouthing it as such', I don't know I've not heard their story but it could just be they are simply maintaining the ethics of user choice in offering to remove something that Kingroot team have deliberately made difficult to do.
On the other hand if they are telling people that Kinguser 'causes conflicts' they should back that up openly and offer the choice to remove purify or not - it is a request I note Kingxteam make and would be valid IMO unless there are good reasons why not. Good reasons would be closed source or why the code may conflict, if no one can verify the software is doing only what it is supposed to (now and in the future) it's a good reason not to have it in your device.
Call me sceptical but what is really in it for them? They aren't gaining any money by you running their software, but they sure act like there is something to gain. They spent a lot of time and effort in finding root solutions but they don't appear to be like other devs who do it for the challenge, or for themselves with a mind to share and who by the way don't try to 'sell' or 'force' their methods on us - you take it or leave it, and we do with thanks and donate or buy their pro versions to show appreciation.
Kingroot (Kingteam) on the other hand appear more like a company to me but who knows. That's the whole point, we don't seem to know a whole lot about their motives and that perhaps creates doubt whether rational or not.
And I agree providing there's nothing nasty in there it would be a shame if they threw in the towel but they are going the wrong way about it to gain people's trust - I'm sure many people would love to try their software and apps provided they don't have any nagging doubts.
You misunderstand what I'm saying. I don't condone the way they are going about things, but I do agree with their reasons. Its wrong that everyone is automatically removing kingroot/kinguser without even trying it.
Like I say I used it for a while and I actually preferred it to supersu, but now that devs like chainfire have prevented the use of kingsu with flashfire and only allows the use of his own or cwm there's no choice but to use supersu.
Now why has chainfire done that? He has basically forced people to use his own app. That's just as bad as what kingteam have done.
Don't get me wrong Chainfire is a stellar dev, but I dont understand that and that's how a lot of this has come about. Many have been converting to supersu to use flashfire. I bet there are loads that would have stuck with kinguser just for simplicity's sake if flashfire worked with it.
They don't prevent the removal of purify, I don't even think it gets installed as a system app, so its no big deal to remove. They shouldn't force install it though, that should be offered as a choice after successful root.
Neither do they prevent removal of kingroot and kinguser, it can all be cleanly removed from within kinguser.
As for being closed source that's no different to chainfires apps. His root solution is closed source and so is flashfire.
Kingteam have been around now for a while and have gained notoriety lately because their root solutions have worked for many. If they had any dishonorable intentions I'm sure it would have come out in the wash by now, but asfaik nothing untoward has happened to anyone.
I'm not protecting them in anyway just understanding their point of view, put it this way how many how have used their root exploit then clicked the link to their XDA thread and thanked them?
Probably not many, credit were credit's due I say.
Hard work deserves some recognition. Maybe I should add the link in my root thread.
Sad that this situation has occurred. I am very appreciative of Kingroot providing a method to root my Tab S without tripping KNOX. Without it I would not have rooted until my warrenty had come close to expiring. Unfortunitely I would have removed Kingroot apps for SuperSU for a few reasons
1) I already paid for SuperSU Pro and use it on my other devices
2) Flashfire providers most of my custom recovery needs which Kingroot does not. There is an argument for Flashfire being decoupled from SuperSU but not the development overhead when you flash an updated firmware ( e.g. B0E2 to B0E3). Flashing an upgrade requires the preservation of the root manager. I want OS updates that automatically preserve root so need Flashfire. Of course I've not mentioned other Flashfire features but I'm trying to stay relevant to the topic.
3) SuperSU's policies have provided methods to work around Samsung's bootloader SELinux enforcement. Without it I would not be able to use Viper4Android and an Ext4 formatted OTG microSD card.
I would have been happy to donate money to Kingroot for their rooting service but to the best of my knowledge they do not have a donate option. I would have only done so through PayPal or the Playstore. That brings me to my hesitation to using rooting methods from sources I do not know. I can say I was hesitant to use Kingroot at all and let others be the guinea pigs. Call me paranoid but I've seen first hand and read everyday the malicious nature of the net. At least Chainfire is a known developer on the Playstore.
In the end what maybe more of a question is the lack of rights that customers who purchased, not rented, their devices have. Why are unlocked bootloaders not a right with root management built in? Where do the manufacturers get off restricting me from doing what the heck I want with my devices? Sure limit my warrenty in some way (e.g. Overclocking burnout) but if hardware becomes faulty independent of rooting why should they be off the hook?
I hope some balance/compromise can be met between these important contributors.
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Its wrong that everyone is automatically removing kingroot/kinguser without even trying it.
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Can you say that? The main reason people do it is because of the doubt and uncertainty of something new. Getting root is one thing and people are grateful for that but running something they are not familiar let alone trust is another.
And of course as for me too this is one of my reasons:
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1) I already paid for SuperSU Pro and use it on my other devices
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.. and I'm used to using it. I should have that choice surely? And his other reasons are good and valid too.
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... devs like chainfire have prevented the use of kingsu with flashfire and only allows the use of his own or cwm there's no choice but to use supersu.
Now why has chainfire done that? He has basically forced people to use his own app. That's just as bad as what kingteam have done.
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I agree and I wish they'd discuss it more. I would like to know what is really going on with all this.
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I bet there are loads that would have stuck with kinguser just for simplicity's sake if flashfire worked with it.
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I'm sure but it's difficult to know how many more would. Some people just want root to get some degree of control. Not all are flashaholics. Doubt and uncertainty are more prevalent here because of the immediate perceived need to remove it as soon as possible.
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Neither do they prevent removal of kingroot and kinguser, it can all be cleanly removed from within kinguser.
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If you don't mind losing root. So it's a pointless exercise and it's a kind of blackmail.
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As for being closed source that's no different to chainfires apps. His root solution is closed source and so is flashfire.
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But as I say there is a basis for trust that doesn't exist with Kingroot ... yet anyway.
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Kingteam have been around now for a while and have gained notoriety lately because their root solutions have worked for many. If they had any dishonorable intentions I'm sure it would have come out in the wash by now, but asfaik nothing untoward has happened to anyone.
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Let's just turn on [paranoia mode] for a moment. They aren't doing anything now perhaps they just want to get as many devices running it then on a future update ..... [/paranoia mode off]
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I would have been happy to donate money to Kingroot for their rooting service but to the best of my knowledge they do not have a donate option. I would have only done so through PayPal or the Playstore. That brings me to my hesitation to using rooting methods from sources I do not know. I can say I was hesitant to use Kingroot at all and let others be the guinea pigs. Call me paranoid but I've seen first hand and read everyday the malicious nature of the net. At least Chainfire is a known developer on the Playstore.
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Exactly the point. Again what is their motivation? What are they getting out of all this furious hard work on multiple devices? I looked at the purify thread - it's a fully responsive engagement of support which is not unlike a company that has a paid product out there and keen to support it for more sales.
Cloud servers, a large (don't know) team of people? Often devs like Chainfire have little time to engage on this level, they are too busy on the product AND with their own lives / jobs. This is not their full time job in most cases.
This psychology isn't unusual. If someone came to you and offered you a free lunch you are going to be suspicious right? The first thing you are going to think of is 'what's in it for them'. Right or wrong this is how we work.
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I'm not protecting them in anyway just understanding their point of view, put it this way how many how have used their root exploit then clicked the link to their XDA thread and thanked them?
Probably not many, credit were credit's due I say.
Hard work deserves some recognition. Maybe I should add the link in my root thread.
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You are right - their threads do have a lot of thanks but perhaps not nearly as many as have used their solution - perhaps because of threads like yours where you provide a solution for a particular device so we don't automatically go to the Kingroot thread and leave our thanks. But bear in mind that the appearance of threads like yours in the first place were to tell people how to get rid of Kinguser after rooting.
Yes put a link and prompt to give thanks to them it's right.
For my part I would like to see some pressure or prompting for both parties to get something sorted out. Kingxteam to stop throwing toys out of the pram and writing restrictive code into their apps and Chainfire et al to come out and discuss their own restrictive policies and explain their concerns.
Welcome to a free world.
Kingroot are free to make their software anyway they want.
Chainfire is free to make his software any way he wants.
You (the user) is free to use one or the other or neither if you want.
If you dislike how kinguser is handeling this situation, but you still want a way to root without tripping knox then, you are free to design and write that code yourself.
Also as for what is in it for the kingxteam remember google, facebook, and quite a few others made products with not very solid monetarization ideas and now they are worth quite a bit. Much of the internet age has been make a product many ppl use and figure out a way to turn a profit afterwords.
Agreed, user choice at the end of the day, we get this same attitude in the HTC forum regarding sunshine s-off.
If you don't like it don't use it or remove it, they don't stop you doing that.
As for the fear factor of using an unknown app, isn't that what millions of people do everyday when installing apps on their device?
The average user never pays any mind to the permissions some of those apps use.
If it works they use it, simple as.
If your happy to let an exploit hack your device and gain high level privileges to it you can't be that concerned with Security otherwise you wouldn't root in the first place.
Too much paranoia going on here me thinks.
Personally I don't give a fig about kingteam planting a time bomb on my device, what's the worst that can happen? Once I get root I can weed out any naughty stuff.
Today's devices are becoming very secure for the average user, but the tinkerers don't like that, so what do the majority do? Root, flash custom kernels, Roms and recoveries and override all that security that's been implemented.
And were worried about a couple of little apps? Come on.
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Welcome to a free world.
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There's always someone who'll come up with the age old saying of 'well if you don't like it don't use it.'
Frankly there's not a lot left to say to such posts and that is probably a good point to leave it.
Well it's quite interesting to read this over a year later and seeing how Kingroot has an app in the play store but I have looked everywhere and it's installed as a system app on my phone, I was actually researching FlashFire hoping to be able to get an OTA update and now I am looking to uninstall KingRoot 5.0.0 to go back to an older version of KingRoot. I would like to be able to switch out KingSU for supersu. But each belongs to each developer.