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Removing Internet Browsers

Hello,
First off let me say I'm not great at rooting my phone. When I had a Samsung Infuse I did it on accident pretty much and now that I have an Atrix, I'm no good at all. I'd like to be able to remove my internet browsers, the default one and Chrome, and I'd like to remove the Google Play store too. Basically, I just want my phone to have my email, 2 or 3 other apps I use, and that's it. Last time I removed my browser on the Samsung Infuse, I lost my data connection. Does any one know an easy, safe way to remove both browsers and Google Play? I'd almost be willing to pay for this if it's possible.
Thanks!

CB1611 said:
Hello,
First off let me say I'm not great at rooting my phone. When I had a Samsung Infuse I did it on accident pretty much and now that I have an Atrix, I'm no good at all. I'd like to be able to remove my internet browsers, the default one and Chrome, and I'd like to remove the Google Play store too. Basically, I just want my phone to have my email, 2 or 3 other apps I use, and that's it. Last time I removed my browser on the Samsung Infuse, I lost my data connection. Does any one know an easy, safe way to remove both browsers and Google Play? I'd almost be willing to pay for this if it's possible.
Thanks!
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Why would you want to remove the play store? and only have 2 or 3 apps on a phone like this? why not get a dumb phone? If you really want to though you can root your phone then use titanium backup to remove the apps.

CB1611 said:
Hello,
First off let me say I'm not great at rooting my phone. When I had a Samsung Infuse I did it on accident pretty much and now that I have an Atrix, I'm no good at all. I'd like to be able to remove my internet browsers, the default one and Chrome, and I'd like to remove the Google Play store too. Basically, I just want my phone to have my email, 2 or 3 other apps I use, and that's it. Last time I removed my browser on the Samsung Infuse, I lost my data connection. Does any one know an easy, safe way to remove both browsers and Google Play? I'd almost be willing to pay for this if it's possible.
Thanks!
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If your not rooted: go to settings > apps > all > (app you want to disable name) > disable
If your rooted: go install this and delete what every you want

deeje00 said:
Why would you want to remove the play store? and only have 2 or 3 apps on a phone like this? why not get a dumb phone? If you really want to though you can root your phone then use titanium backup to remove the apps.
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Kind of a personal thing, with the main thing being I love the phone, but don't like wasting time with the internet. And if I have access to the internet, I'd be stuck on it all day. Thus, I'd like to remove the play store to block access to doing that. Just using the apps I normally already use and keep those and remove the rest.
I've tried rooting Super One click but that doesn't seem to work. What is the best/easiest/fastest way to root my phone?

CB1611 said:
Kind of a personal thing, with the main thing being I love the phone, but don't like wasting time with the internet. And if I have access to the internet, I'd be stuck on it all day. Thus, I'd like to remove the play store to block access to doing that. Just using the apps I normally already use and keep those and remove the rest.
I've tried rooting Super One click but that doesn't seem to work. What is the best/easiest/fastest way to root my phone?
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super one click dosen't work on this phone. If you go to the adroid development section of the atrix hd there are 2 root methods. An easy one if your on ICS a hard but still possible one if your on JB.

deeje00 said:
super one click dosen't work on this phone. If you go to the adroid development section of the atrix hd there are 2 root methods. An easy one if your on ICS a hard but still possible one if your on JB.
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Do you have a link for the JB tutorial? I just did a search in that forum for root and only found ICS.

CB1611 said:
Do you have a link for the JB tutorial? I just did a search in that forum for root and only found ICS.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1976956
Basically what you need to do is flash the stock ICS image (4.0.4), root it, then install an app called "Voodoo OTA Rootkeeper" (on Play as "OTA RootKeeper" by Supercurio). Then you "temp unroot" via Voodoo and apply the 4.1.1 update. After you install the update you install Voodoo OTA Rooteeper again, and voila, you can restore your rooted phone.
There are posts in the thread I linked where people ask "can you flash 4.0.4 over 4.1.1" and have been answered "yes," but I didn't have to do it personally.
One of the steps is to update superuser and then update the superuser binary. There are 2 ways to do this, one through the app store & with the superuser program, and the other to "replace the apk in /system/app with the one in /data/app." I struggled with this step. I could update Superuser via the app store, Superuser would detect that its binary was out of date and then try to download the new version, but the installation would always fail. I ended up copying Superuser.apk and "su" from the Superuser website and copying them to the phone using ADB. Since you've said you suck at rooting, this might be too much for you. I don't now how necessary it is, maybe others can comment.
Good luck! Although I'm somewhat in agreement with other sentiments regarding your post ... a dumb phone & a dumb iPod would solve your Internet-distraction problems for a lot less hassle... plus put a decent wad of cash back in your pocket.

You can't downgrade from jb.
sent from my JokerMATRIX HD MAXX

Well, I've thought about that, but I really like several apps that I don't want to lose, such as Google Maps/Navigation, Google Music, Sermon Audio, Google Drive, and Bank of America among the main ones. Thus, I'd rather keep the phone with data and rid myself of these 2 other distractions and nuisances.

deeje00 said:
You can't downgrade from jb.
sent from my JokerMATRIX HD MAXX
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Yea, like I said, I didn't try it myself I was relaying the experience of other posters. I found the thread where they said they did it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33326640&postcount=78 ... I also see that you posted that you tried and couldn't.
Anyway my first answer was dumb and I don't mean to argue. There's a JB tutorial right here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2143437 .
Edit: If you're concerned this method is beyond your capabilities, read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2147443

wamarler said:
Yea, like I said, I didn't try it myself I was relaying the experience of other posters. I found the thread where they said they did it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33326640&postcount=78 ... I also see that you posted that you tried and couldn't.
Anyway my first answer was dumb and I don't mean to argue. There's a JB tutorial right here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2143437 .
Edit: If you're concerned this method is beyond your capabilities, read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2147443
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Alright, this thing is ticking me off a little. I think something went wrong around restarting samba servers: restart: unknown job: smbd
Also, my phone won't recognize the remote storage. IP address is either 192.168.0.8, or 192.168.0.255, and I've tried both.
Any ideas?

Ok, here's another question:
If I buy a Nexus 4, which comes unlocked, from Google, should I be able to just install Titanium Backup and remove what I want?

Anybody know??

I would assume you'd have to root it first but maybe not.
sent from my JokerMATRIX HD MAXX

deeje00 said:
I would assume you'd have to root it first but maybe not.
sent from my JokerMATRIX HD MAXX
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Google says it comes unlocked

They do but you still need to be rooted first.
sent from my JokerMATRIX HD MAXX

Well, then I suppose Super One Click would probably work with that?

CB1611 said:
Well, then I suppose Super One Click would probably work with that?
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Check the nexus 4 forum on how to root.
Should be add simple as flashing a recovery and then the superuser zip
Sent from my phone.

Like he said. Your in the wrong forum man.
sent from my JokerMATRIX HD MAXX

Well I still have an Atrix, I was just asking a simple question about the Nexus before I make a decision. But I'm probably just going to stay with the Atrix. We can close this thread, I don't need any more guidance on this.
Thank you all for your help!

[Q] Dangers of Rooting?

I'm about to get a Moto X on Tuesday. I wondered if there are any dangers of rooting the device? I am not interested (at least not right now) in running a custom ROM on it since it runs so close to AOSP anyway. But I would like to be able to use Titanium Backup with it and a few other things that require root.
I've read there are ways to do it, just not sure if they are safe or not.

As long as you can read and follow directions, there isn't anything to worry about.

Rooting your device void warranty and can brick your device if you don't follow the directions correctly or if you play with something you don't understand. But if you follow directions then you will be fine with nothing to worry about.
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I was in the same boat, wanting to use root only for TBU, Tasker, and the occasional wifi tether.
Don't be in a rush, the phone works pretty good in stock form. When you're ready, read the forums, follow directions, and you'll be fine. There are a couple threads devoted to the topic, I used Hashcode's TWRP method for unlocked bootloaders without problem (after unlocking which was a little bit of a PITA).
I'm no stranger to rooting and flashing roms. I'll admit to being intimidated a little by the Moto X forum posts since it seems that our phone is a little trickier than what I'm familiar with.
FWIW, battery life on this phone is awesome compared to my Gnex and it seemed to get even better when unlocked and rooted. Also, Xposed is awesome.
Good luck!

The real danger of rooting (other than voiding warranty, etc.) is potential user stupidity.
Root access still requires the user's permission. Whenever root access is requested by an app you will be prompted to grant access. If you get reputable apps from the play store this usually won't be an issue. If you are downloading APKs from less trustworthy sources all bets are off.
Malware often runs without root, and it's usually better this way because requesting root access without an obvious need is a big warning sign.

brian Marshall said:
The real danger of rooting (other than voiding warranty, etc.) is potential user stupidity.
Root access still requires the user's permission. Whenever root access is requested by an app you will be prompted to grant access. If you get reputable apps from the play store this usually won't be an issue. If you are downloading APKs from less trustworthy sources all bets are off.
Malware often runs without root, and it's usually better this way because requesting root access without an obvious need is a big warning sign.
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I completely agree with this. Personally, I have rooted all of my previous phones (Droid 2, HTC Rezound) but have not done so for this one. With the speed in which updates are released, and the fact that the phone is basically stock Android, I haven't felt the need to root it.
Also, you might find this post by me interesting: How to backup and restore app data without Root. The only real root feature I typically used was for backing up, but Helium + ADB can do all of this for you.

DogzOfWar said:
I completely agree with this. Personally, I have rooted all of my previous phones (Droid 2, HTC Rezound) but have not done so for this one. With the speed in which updates are released, and the fact that the phone is basically stock Android, I haven't felt the need to root it.
Also, you might find this post by me interesting: How to backup and restore app data without Root. The only real root feature I typically used was for backing up, but Helium + ADB can do all of this for you.
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Yeah, I run LookOut for one but for another I never grant root access unless I specifically want it to DO something that requires it.

DogzOfWar said:
the phone is basically stock Android, I haven't felt the need to root it.
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Agreed. Occasionally I'll think to my self that I'll get around to rooting it, but honestly I don't feel like I need to.
I kinda want to try out xposed, but there's almost zero motivation otherwise.

Thanks everyone for the replies, I appreciate it.

[Q] A few questions about the Moto X

Just curious if anyone here on AIO Wirelss have conditional call forwarding setup on their AIOP Wireless device. I am switching from Sprint, to come to AIO, and do not want to use the AIO voicemail app
Can someone post their settings if they do know how to set it up, I have been a GVoicemail user for years and don't want to give that up
Also can the AIO wireless VM app be disabled or removed, if I have a none branded Moto X device, I'm not going to root this device, please advise thanks.

Damn, I can't believe not one person with a Moto X is using Google Voicemail ??

You just set voicemail up in the settings of the phone app ad well as in the Google voice app and online in Google voice.
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spencer88 said:
You just set voicemail up in the settings of the phone app ad well as in the Google voice app and online in Google voice.
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Just to be sure, go to Settings/Calls/Call Forward, and over write the AIO number VM, to my GV number ?? That will only forward calls to GV voicemail, and not all calls to go through GV ??

I finally got the phone, and just noticed it does not have an LED light when charging, looks like that option can only be attained if rooted ??

I assume there is no way to adjust the resolution of a picture taken, you figure that would be something basic with a camera, what was Google thinking ?? who wants to always take a 10 MP picture, to big to email when need to email a bunch of pictures.

DonB. said:
I finally got the phone, and just noticed it does not have an LED light when charging, looks like that option can only be attained if rooted ??
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Theres an app kicking around to give you the charging light, but yeah....needs root.
DonB. said:
I assume there is no way to adjust the resolution of a picture taken, you figure that would be something basic with a camera, what was Google thinking ?? who wants to always take a 10 MP picture, to big to email when need to email a bunch of pictures.
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Lots of great camera apps on the playstore. I use "a better camera". And I've used camera fv-5 and pro camera. All good apps.
Sent from my N5, N7, Moto X, G Tab 3 or S2.....

OK, another quick question, just received the notification for the 4.4.2 update, should I take it, or should I wait. Are there any issues, if I take this update will I be able to root if I decide to do so down the rood ?? Any feedback, I did some reading and seem to be getting mixed reviews. I will be on AIO wireless at the end of the month and from what I read I will need this update for proper MMS receiving.

DonB. said:
OK, another quick question, just received the notification for the 4.4.2 update, should I take it, or should I wait. Are there any issues, if I take this update will I be able to root if I decide to do so down the rood ?? Any feedback, I did some reading and seem to be getting mixed reviews. I will be on AIO wireless at the end of the month and from what I read I will need this update for proper MMS receiving.
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If you purchased it through Sprint I believe you can get your bootloader unlock code for free anytime from the Moto website. It will void the warranty though. So root is available anytime.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/themes-apps/app-moto-x-led-control-tasker-t2602689 <- That is the link for getting the Led to function.

GandalfTehGray said:
If you purchased it through Sprint I believe you can get your bootloader unlock code for free anytime from the Moto website. It will void the warranty though. So root is available anytime.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/themes-apps/app-moto-x-led-control-tasker-t2602689 <- That is the link for getting the Led to function.
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No, it is not a Sprint device, I am on Sprint right now with my current Note II, I purchased the Moto X New AT&T branded and unlocked, so just want to make sure before I update it, I have not activated the device, will do so at end of month with AIO.

DonB. said:
No, it is not a Sprint device, I am on Sprint right now with my current Note II, I purchased the Moto X New AT&T branded and unlocked, so just want to make sure before I update it, I have not activated the device, will do so at end of month with AIO.
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When you say unlocked you mean the Dev edition? Or carrier/sim unlocked?
If it is not the dev edition I would not update to 4.4.2 if you want root at any point in the future. You need to go through a method from 4.2: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/orig-development/4-4-root-slapmymoto-1-0-motowpnomo-t2538896

GandalfTehGray said:
When you say unlocked you mean the Dev edition? Or carrier/sim unlocked?
If it is not the dev edition I would not update to 4.4.2 if you want root at any point in the future. You need to go through a method from 4.2: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/orig-development/4-4-root-slapmymoto-1-0-motowpnomo-t2538896
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Not Dev edition, Carrier Sin Unlocked. OK, I will wait until I activate my device to AIO and see if I get the MMS, if not then I will either root or take the update, but I am on 4.4 right now, so does that make a difference, or am I too late on rooting on 4.4, if I am too late them I might as well update ??

DonB. said:
Not Dev edition, Carrier Sin Unlocked. OK, I will wait until I activate my device to AIO and see if I get the MMS, if not then I will either root or take the update, but I am on 4.4 right now, so does that make a difference, or am I too late on rooting on 4.4, if I am too late them I might as well update ??
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4.4 is fine. You can still downgrade to 4.2 for the root method, after that though it is not available.

GandalfTehGray said:
4.4 is fine. You can still downgrade to 4.2 for the root method, after that though it is not available.
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Got it thanks, I was just reading that, K I will decide, for now no need to update and i will see what I will do, not sure I need to root this, but will wait anyways and see what happens with AIO and MMS, thanks for all the info, cheers :good:

GandalfTehGray said:
4.4 is fine. You can still downgrade to 4.2 for the root method, after that though it is not available.
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Well I guess not available for now, but might be available down the road,
Still on the fence for updating though, I still have not taken the update, and still not sure I will need to root my device, I have always been rooted on most of my devices for the past years, but I really am not sure if I still need to be rooted, since I really don't tether, and using root apps are just for that, for the purpose of being rooted, LOL anyways, I am still on the fence.

DonB. said:
Well I guess not available for now, but might be available down the road,
Still on the fence for updating though, I still have not taken the update, and still not sure I will need to root my device, I have always been rooted on most of my devices for the past years, but I really am not sure if I still need to be rooted, since I really don't tether, and using root apps are just for that, for the purpose of being rooted, LOL anyways, I am still on the fence.
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I keep tether for emergencies mostly and Exposed.

A few more questions.
1) is it possible to sideload the Samsung Keyboard ?? without being rooted, is there such a thing or Keyboard.
2) Has anyone on AIO wireless been able to get tethering to work ?? without ROOT

DonB. said:
A few more questions.
1) is it possible to sideload the Samsung Keyboard ?? without being rooted, is there such a thing or Keyboard.
2) Has anyone on AIO wireless been able to get tethering to work ?? without ROOT
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You may install any kb you want from internal storage. Try it. I love smart keyboard pro.

aviwdoowks said:
You may install any kb you want from internal storage. Try it. I love smart keyboard pro.
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That I already know, but I really love the Samsung Keyboard.

Another thing I get being on AIO wireless is every now and then I get echo feedback often when my buddy calls me from his Sprint device, and I only have the echo. Any clue what is causing this and how to resolve other then hanging up and calling back. ?
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Lollipop, or wait for root?

So after all the hype for Lollipop and whatnot, I've been wondering what exactly the differences are between Lollipop and KK. Other than the theme, the lockscreen notifications (which we already have with moto display), and ART. Are there any other major differences?
Furthermore, what's the general opinion on the odds of root being achieved? I know it's more likely on KK, but is it worth waiting to update for, or should I take the Lollipop update when it's rolled out? I don't miss much coming from a rooted device, other than the firewall. Xposed would be nice but I can probably live without it.
Basically I just want to weigh my options for when the time comes.

I will wait.

Also - what can now be achieved without root?
For example:
A lot of apps now support functions that required root before
Tasker
Greenify
Etc.
Being able to disable apps somewhat replaces the need for titanium
Sent from my XT1254

Is there a way to disable the updates coming from Verizon? I want my phone as "stock" as possible in case we ever get root so I'm trying to freeze the HD Calling/VoLTE update from installing but not sure if there is currently a way to do that without having root?

New to the VZ and Droid scene
I just got my Turbo and that update so far has been more than just the Volte after doing an FDR I actually noticed a little better responsiveness. I am looking into battery life now. Even without root or unlocked bootloader it is a pretty cool phone. Aside from the battery draining bloat, does anybody have big drain issues with command center after the update ( that Verizon did instore )

ccheww said:
Also - what can now be achieved without root?
For example:
A lot of apps now support functions that required root before
Tasker
Greenify
Etc.
Being able to disable apps somewhat replaces the need for titanium
Sent from my XT1254
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One of the main reasons I want root at this point is to disable the capacitive lights. They stay on a lot of times when they really shouldn't, like when watching movies or videos.

jal3223 said:
One of the main reasons I want root at this point is to disable the capacitive lights. They stay on a lot of times when they really shouldn't, like when watching movies or videos.
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Theres a way to disable the capacitive lights without root:
Download "Darker"
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mlhg.screenfilter&hl=en

ccheww said:
Theres a way to disable the capacitive lights without root:
Download "Darker"
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mlhg.screenfilter&hl=en
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Awesome! Thanks.

ccheww said:
Theres a way to disable the capacitive lights without root:
Download "Darker"
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mlhg.screenfilter&hl=en
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Thanks

ccheww said:
Theres a way to disable the capacitive lights without root:
Download "Darker"
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mlhg.screenfilter&hl=en
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Amazing. Thanks!

Absolutely! Every day I find a new app that replaces a need for root. If anyone else has any other similar discoveries (apps that can do things we normally needed root for) please don't hesitate!
Example: My GPS was toggled by itself once (I think through tasker), so I have high hopes that there is some way to toggle GPS without root.
-I'm trying to replicate what happened and what variables I used in tasker.
Sent from my XT1254

I think this is a very good discussion. Is there any news on someone even possibly finding a root method for 4.4? I'll wait if there's any hope of root, but I haven't heard any new info regarding root or even if there is any word of someone even looking into it.

Same
Should we wait?

abrahamjones said:
Should we wait?
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I dont think you should wait to get lollipop once its released. I feel the hold up currently is because lollipop is close to getting released thats its pointless to release a root method now. After the first lollipop update dont i wouldnt take anymore

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Should we wait?
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Do you currently have a choice?

Info overload : Please help me turn an SV98LN OS 5.4.0.0 into a NEXUS flavoured unit

Hi all, appreciate best practice is always to read posted guides but I'm getting kinda old and too many threads are only relevant at particular points in time when the 5th Gen Fire was newer. So basically I'm lost in conflicting info on the guides and need some direction.
Starting point is i) I've got 'basic' experience of rooting and flashing roms, so my PC has got ADB drivers etc. ii) I have a stock OS 5.4.0.0 5th Gen Fire which is my elderly mothers and the intention is to get the crap OS removed and make it a simple Nexus 7'like device.
Can somebody please give me some step-by-step advice. I'm at the point where the device is developer enabled and ABD enabled. But the guides I've seen are all based on old OS's so I fear the whatever I try next will just brick the unit.
Thx in advance

As of now, 5.3.2.1 - 5.4.0.0 can not be rooted, much less have the bootloader unlocked to install a custom ROM.

aww bummer
OK second question : How should I treat the term "As of now"? Do you think there is any likelihood of a 5.4.0.0 root solution happening soon? i.e. weeks or months?
If its not gonna be a while, then I might just install the non-root google-play stuff and just shift the bloaty stuff out of sight if I can.

ebod said:
aww bummer
OK second question : How should I treat the term "As of now"? Do you think there is any likelihood of a 5.4.0.0 root solution happening soon? i.e. weeks or months?
If its not gonna be a while, then I might just install the non-root google-play stuff and just shift the bloaty stuff out of sight if I can.
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EDIT: The usual warning: I am not responsible for any damage done to your device. If using ANY of these guides, you're doing so at your own risk.
That's about your only option at the moment. You can use the guide here, which will install the appropriate google services needed. You can then use this guide to manually 'uninstall' system/Amazon applications (you aren't really uninstalling them, just disabling them). Or use the automatic tool here, which will uninstall a significant number of the Amazon 'bloatware' and install the Google services and a few other Google related apps.
I CANNOT STRESS THIS NOTE ENOUGH: Whether you uninstall apps manually or automatically, please be aware you have to replace the Amazon apps BEFORE you uninstall them. For example, if you want to use contacts, you should install the necessary Google Contact APKs, open 'Contacts' then uninstall Amazon contacts. DO NOT UNINSTALL the Amazon Contact Storage APK or no contact applications will function properly, if at all. There is a guide here where you can install Google Contacts and get a fun little surprise as a result of doing so.
A factory reset will bring back all system apps you uninstall whether you uninstall them manually or automatically. So if anything stops working or you uninstall something that broke something else, factory resetting will fix the tablet, but you'll have to start over.
If you want to use a custom launcher like Nova Launcher, you can read this post which will describe how to do so. In this post I explain how to disable Fire Launcher without breaking the home button. Please read the WHOLE post, including the very bottom where there's a link that describes a 'fix' for the recent apps button (square button) which has a fit when you uninstall Fire Launcher (even on rooted devices). Just tap on 'hide Fire Launcher BEFORE' at the bottom which will take you to a page where you can activate widgets. Read the very bottom and it will tell you how to 'fix' the recent apps button. When you swipe closed apps using the recent apps button, swiping the last one will kick you to the lock screen or black you out for a moment. The fix is kinda cheesy, but it is a fix. I use it on my HD 8.
In this post I describe what Amazon apps I did NOT uninstall. Note this list of apps will differ slightly from the ones installed on the HD 7, but not by very much. This list MIGHT allow you to use Gmail (which doesn't work on any tablet model) and a few other apps.
Very soon, I plan to make a thread with a detailed tutorial on how to do all of this, so it's in one single spot for everyone to find.

Jake1702_ said:
As of now, 5.3.2.1 - 5.4.0.0 can not be rooted, much less have the bootloader unlocked to install a custom ROM.
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For awareness/clarity: root and SuperSU (no other root manager) are the only prerequisites for installing a custom ROM on this device via FlashFire. The bootloader does not need to be unlocked.

Davey126 said:
For awareness/clarity: root and SuperSU (no other root manager) are the only prerequisites for installing a custom ROM on this device via FlashFire. The bootloader does not need to be unlocked.
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Thanks Davey, yeah I'm not ultimately looking for a rooted device, I just want a clean Nexus'like rom with no bloated crap on it. As a plan-B I will follow the other guide notes that DragonFire kindly provided. But primarily if you are still staying I can get Flashfire to install a custom Nexus rom, then please can you guide me to the appropriate instructions to make Flashfire come to life.
I have Flashfire installed...but it just warns there are no permissions etc.
Thanks

ebod said:
Thanks Davey, yeah I'm not ultimately looking for a rooted device, I just want a clean Nexus'like rom with no bloated crap on it. As a plan-B I will follow the other guide notes that DragonFire kindly provided. But primarily if you are still staying I can get Flashfire to install a custom Nexus rom, then please can you guide me to the appropriate instructions to make Flashfire come to life.
I have Flashfire installed...but it just warns there are no permissions etc.
Thanks
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A custom ROM (ie: Nexus) can not be installed on this device without root. I do not foresee that happening anytime soon with the so you're stuck with FireOS for a bit. It's not a bad skin once you get used to it.
@DragonFire1024 provided a nice summary of the available tweaks and associated caveats. I suggest going slow; start with the Google Play Store and some light visual customizations. Save the all-or-nothing 'debloat script' until have have a better idea of what to keep.
Most importantly, enjoy your new device and don't fret over what could have been.

This list MIGHT allow you to use Gmail (which doesn't work on any tablet model) and a few other apps.
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Ummm... Gmail works fine on my Fire.
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For awareness/clarity: root and SuperSU (no other root manager) are the only prerequisites for installing a custom ROM on this device via FlashFire. The bootloader does not need to be unlocked.
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I did not know that. If that's the case, as soon as root is obtainable I'm installing the Fire Nexus ROM.

Jake1702_ said:
Ummm... Gmail works fine on my Fire.
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You're lucky then. Many users have had issues with Gmail either force closing or not working at all. Hope the rest was somewhat helpful.
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Jake1702_ said:
Ummm... Gmail works fine on my Fire.
I did not know that. If that's the case, as soon as root is obtainable I'm installing the Fire Nexus ROM.
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*IF* it becomes available. I've had my tablets almost a year, maybe a months or so under one. That's how long I've been waiting. Some have been waiting longer.

Jake1702_ said:
Ummm... Gmail works fine on my Fire.
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Initially and for many months after the Gmail app worked fine on 5th-7th gen devices with Google Play Services/Store installed. The app started crashing on launch following a silent update (lasted about 2 months) then started working again a few weeks ago.

Davey126 said:
Jake1702_ said:
Ummm... Gmail works fine on my Fire.
Initially (and for many months after) the Gmail app worked fine on 5th-7th gen devices with Google Play Services/Store installed. The app started crashing on launch following a silent update (lasted about 2 months) then started working again a few weeks ago.
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I read somewhere where quite a few people had put a bug report in or something to that effect. A few days later there was an update to Gmail. That's about the time I installed it and it worked perfectly for me. I'm willing to bet Google did something that that made it possible to use again. Did Amazon do something to block is from using it? In my opinion, not likely. But what caused it? Not a clue. There is some speculation it had to do to with a permission, but that's only speculation. This is something we'll likely never get the answer to.
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... as soon as root is obtainable I'm installing the Fire Nexus ROM.
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Don't get your hopes up. There's a reason securing root on Amazon and other manufacturer devices has become more difficult over the past 12-18 months. While I appreciate the euphemistic optimism shown by some the tightened security and legacy code cleanup initiated by Google is actually a good thing for the general Android user community. Of course, XDAers hate it (spare me the sermon on someone controlling *your* device) but they don't represent the much larger community that Amazon and other market driven companies are targeting. Business/capatolism 101.

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Initially and for many months after the Gmail app worked fine on 5th-7th gen devices with Google Play Services/Store installed. The app started crashing on launch following a silent update (lasted about 2 months) then started working again a few weeks ago.
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Might just have been the perfect period of time during when I had mine sitting and not being used. Guess I'm just lucky.
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Don't get your hopes up. There's a reason securing root on Amazon and other manufacturer devices has become more difficult over the past 12-18 months. While I appreciate the euphemistic optimism shown by some the tightened security and legacy code cleanup initiated by Google is actually a good thing for the general Android user community. Of course, XDAers hate it (spare me the sermon on someone controlling *your* device) but they don't represent the much larger community that Amazon and other market driven companies are targeting. Business/capatolism 101.
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It is definitely possible, just not enough people spending time on this device, they are all focused on more popular brands/devices.

Jake1702_ said:
Might just have been the perfect period of time during when I had mine sitting and not being used. Guess I'm just lucky.
It is definitely possible, just not enough people spending time on this device, they are all focused on more popular brands/devices.
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This I will actually agree with. But to be honest, I really thought we'd have a good chance after Prime Day. I really thought we'd have gotten it then, but I still have hopes.
That being said, the tricks and hacks we've discovered over the last few months are pretty amazing. The method of 'uninstalling' I mentioned a few posts ago, was never intended nor expected to work on these tablets. It had sat on XDA for a couple days before I literally said out loud: "oh what the hell. I can't break anything." So gave it a shot and was incredibly surprised to see it really did disable Amazon Video.
With the tricks and hacks I also mentioned a few posts back, really does go a long way in terms of a custom ROM. Aside from the technical aspects and apps, in my opinion it's pretty much a custom systemless ROM. Though some may disagree with me very much.
Feel free to ask any question you like. We'll do our best to help.

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This I will actually agree with. But to be honest, I really thought we'd have a good chance after Prime Day. I really thought we'd have gotten it then, but I still have hopes.
That being said, the tricks and hacks we've discovered over the last few months are pretty amazing. The method of 'uninstalling' I mentioned a few posts ago, was never intended nor expected to work on these tablets. It had sat on XDA for a couple days before I literally said out loud: "oh what the hell. I can't break anything." So gave it a shot and was incredibly surprised to see it really did disable Amazon Video.
With the tricks and hacks I also mentioned a few posts back, really does go a long way in terms of a custom ROM. Aside from the technical aspects and apps, in my opinion it's pretty much a custom systemless ROM. Though some may disagree with me very much.
Feel free to ask any question you like. We'll do our best to help.
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Funny how for months now this device still hasn't been rooted, yet a few days after the release of the Samsung Galaxy S8, it was already rooted. Simply, those devices have much more people willing to take time to find exploits for, whereas the Fire does not. It's a shame really.
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Funny how for months now this device still hasn't been rooted, yet a few days after the release of the Samsung Galaxy S8, it was already rooted. Simply, those devices have much more people willing to take time to find exploits for, whereas the Fire does not. It's a shame really.
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There just may not be any at the moment. Amazon has done a lot to this OS, so much so, I've seen posts where users don't even consider it an Android base anymore. Depending on what you read, I've seen other sites where some say its too butchered.
Also keep in mind when an exploit is found, some have been around for a very long time. So one may exist, but no one has either found it yet so no method exists or as you say, may not care enough to take the time to make a method. Every Android device is different. The OS is customized and programed to a manufacturers liking who also add their own customization, then is passed off to a service provider who further customizes it. In that period exploits are patched or simply don't work because what's exploited in certain devices, may not exist in other devices. The list and possibilities really could go on.

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There just may not be any at the moment. Amazon has done a lot to this OS, so much so, I've seen posts where users don't even consider it an Android base anymore. Depending on what you read, I've seen other sites where some say its too butchered.
Also keep in mind when an exploit is found, some have been around for a very long time. So one may exist, but no one has either found it yet so no method exists or as you say, may not care enough to take the time to make a method. Every Android device is different. The OS is customized and programed to a manufacturers liking who also add their own customization, then is passed off to a service provider who further customizes it. In that period exploits are patched or simply don't work because what's exploited in certain devices, may not exist in other devices. The list and possibilities really could go on.
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I wonder if it would be possible "break" the bootloader, so-to-speak, to a point where it "works" but is flawed, allowing the installation of a custom ROM.

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I wonder if it would be possible "break" the bootloader, so-to-speak, to a point where it "works" but is flawed, allowing the installation of a custom ROM.
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Not likely. I have a list of things to try on my head. Some simple, some outrageous. Truth is this HD 8 has been through hell. I've reset it more times than I can count. I've nearly disected it and to be honest I'm absolutely amazed I haven't broken it yet. So I'm giving her a break from that right now.
With that said, I have an HD 7 that's rooted. I have an idea to try some things using it, that could work on non rooted 7 and up tablets, that would be totally systemless that could open up the possibilities to some things. I've been disecting the HD 7 for some ideas and plan to do some testing very soon. I'm the type that will immediately look at all settings and functions and then look through every file, folder and directory I'm able to, so we can do what many of us have already achieved. Keep an eye on me

DragonFire1024 said:
Not likely. I have a list of things to try on my head. Some simple, some outrageous. Truth is this HD 8 has been through hell. I've reset it more times than I can count. I've nearly disected it and to be honest I'm absolutely amazed I haven't broken it yet. So I'm giving her a break from that right now.
With that said, I have an HD 7 that's rooted. I have an idea to try some things using it, that could work on non rooted 7 and up tablets, that would be totally systemless that could open up the possibilities to some things. I've been disecting the HD 7 for some ideas and plan to do some testing very soon. I'm the type that will immediately look at all settings and functions and then look through every file, folder and directory I'm able to, so we can do what many of us have already achieved. Keep an eye on me
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If someone were to go so deep to a point where they took it apart, maybe it would be possible to modify the bootloader by setting up a custom one.
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