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When Android will stop support our phones ?

Hi guys
I just wondering when android will stop support our phones.
I love my phone and i hate that there is no official newer version of android. I mean 4.x ver.
So what do you think ?
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Well it depends how much resources future android versions take up. The main bottleneck for this phone is the slow storage chip and 512MB of RAM, which will prove hard to overcome if future android versions ask for even more from these 2 compartments. Jelly bean is already making the sgs1 crap itself out from time to time, but these issues will hopefully resolve over time, given the amazing work the devs over here have done in ICS.
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If you mean official support, there's none already.
Samsung did a really bad job, both in the extreme delays in the updates it released and in stopping updates at gingerbread (already 2 versions behind current development).
Google could have helped by directly supporting the i9000, since it's so similar to the nexus s.
But unfortunately, they didn't.
A shame, since this is THE device that took android to the next level.
Fortunately, there's the great work by teamhacksung and cm to keep up with current development.
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Most likely, JB is the latest Android version we will ever get.. time to renew our phones next year buddies!

alejoar said:
Most likely, JB is the latest Android version we will ever get.. time to renew our phones next year buddies!
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agree with you ,planing in buying a sgs 4 or how it will be called in the next year.

alejoar said:
Most likely, JB is the latest Android version we will ever get.. time to renew our phones next year buddies!
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Never say never.
Even the G1 has a JB port.
As someone who ran froyo on an HTC tytn II, I think it's hard to say that.
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alejoar said:
Most likely, JB is the latest Android version we will ever get.. time to renew our phones next year buddies!
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I wouldn't be so sure, I just came from the xperia x8. We stopped getting support at 2.1 yet we still have almost bugless ICS ROMs (minus h/w decoding) plus two cm10 ROMs have just been released. All that from a 600Mhz phone with only 190mb usable RAM.
I haven't had any problems so far with jb. Everything's fast and smooth with very little lag which was only when running multiple Gameloft games.
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I think our good old sgs is already showing lack of speed for nowadays standards.. Christmas is coming

alejoar said:
I think our good old sgs is already showing lack of speed for nowadays standards.. Christmas is coming
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well yes,but only because the nand is far to slow.
Cpu ang gpu are mird range if i guess right

Technically, jelly bean also was too resource hungry for our phones, but the devs managed to do various workarounds.
So it doesn't necessarily mean that the next android version cannot be shoe horned onto our phones.
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[Q] Key Lime Pie

this Q is for the developers who work so hard to keep this phone alive....
Our phone yet doesnot have working JB (project butter not working..i have seen nAa's post about it)..you think it can support key lime pie with its full features?

Thread cleaned, just give a normal answer, else don't post anything.
Next time infractions will be hand out!

@OP
maybe if it's andoid 4.2 (nothing but improvements over jelly bean). if, however, it is 5.0 then it'll be hard to get it working.
hope you understand.

CnC-ROCK said:
this Q is for the developers who so hard to keep this phone alive....
Our phone yet doesnot have working JB (project butter not working..i have seen nAa's post about it)..you think it can support key lime pie with its full features?
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Since Sony released nothing really and the lack of some hardware it will never have true Jelly Bean. This is the same for updates beyond that.
So no full key lime pie experience. But there might be a close-to-KLP experience. Just wait and see.
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SMillerNL said:
Since Sony released nothing really and the lack of some hardware it will never have true Jelly Bean. This is the same for updates beyond that.
So no full key lime pie experience. But there might be a close-to-KLP experience. Just wait and see.
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Agreed.
If KLM turns out to be 5.0, then i seriously doubt our phones can handle it. But if it's the same as jb is to ics, then it's possible that we can have a "limited" version of it. Pretty much like the jb roms we have now.
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ok thanks......
pressed thanks for all
i think it is supposed to be 4.2

4.2 is supposed to be a minor update to Jellybean, sources say. So im guessing KLP wont be anytime soon.

RohinZaraki said:
4.2 is supposed to be a minor update to Jellybean, sources say. So im guessing KLP wont be anytime soon.
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KLP is to come by end of october some say with the new nexus series

We don't know nothing about KLP yet. What we have heard are just rumors, most of them proved to be a hoax. Who knows, maybe it is really a small upgrade to Jelly Bean, but, as we have seen, with every Android update, our phone is getting more and more "vulnerable".

Explain?
Why does it get more vulnerable?
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Right... Not the best word I've picked.
What I mean is that every new Android version requires more resources and/or better phone specs than the other. Our device is getting older and older by the day. We can't expect it to run every new Android version perfectly so we shouldn't keep our hopes high. It's a 2010 phone for God's sake
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Chris95X8 said:
Right... Not the best word I've picked.
What I mean is that every new Android version requires more resources and/or better phone specs than the other. Our device is getting older and older by the day. We can't expect it to run every new Android version perfectly so we shouldn't keep our hopes high. It's a 2010 phone for God's sake
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Yeah i think the x8 is not able to handle the new version with good performance!

No mention of KitKat yet?

In theory based on the platitudes fed to and accepted by the media, surprised no, "Is it here yet?" posts
On a more "cereal" note, if the point it works with lower resources is true, it would be a reason for me to update and start from scratch.
After I peak out of my from a bunker 20 fathoms below sea level.... I will let others test first!

rushless said:
In theory based on the platitudes fed to and accepted by the media, surprised no, "Is it here yet?" posts
On a more "cereal" note, if the point it works with lower resources is true, it would be a reason for me to update and start from scratch.
After I peak out of my from a bunker 20 fathoms below sea level.... I will let others test first!
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Check the OP of the CARBON thread.
Unless a serious bug is identified, these early November builds will be the final updates for the 4.3 branch, as the Carbon Team has started working on 4.4
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Be patient, it's coming!

Indeed, yes. It's true that KitKat will run on lower specification devices, however, that doesn't mean EOL devices will be resurrected. The lower specification "thing" is more of OEMs to consider, so they can push budget devices with the latest version of Android, KitKat; instead of still producing Gingerbread devices.
Of course, away from that subject. It should effectively mean, our devices currently on ICS/4.0.x+ should see an increase in performance, including our Nooks.
So when will we receive 4.4 KitKat on our Nooks? The general rule is never to ask for ETAs, but CyanogenMod has provided for us. CM10.1 is complete and finalised. They're trying to complete work on CM10.2, instead of jettisoning all of the current developers efforts. So they/CyanogenMod will be working on CM10.2 for some time, until they can finish it. That doesn't mean to say CM11 will come after CM10.2. No, you can expect CM11 nightly builds by the end of this month. And yes, it'll be called CM11, not CM10.3.
CM11 release date source.

Maybe someone with more knowledge (like @verygreen?) can chime in here, but I thought the fact that our Nooks (HD & HD+) are OMAP4-based means that we won't have the necessary drivers, since TI bailed out of the market. At least, that's what people have surmised, given that Google isn't releasing KitKat for the Gnex, which is OMAP 4430.
I hope I'm wrong, as the better low memory performance of 4.4 would be great to see on the HD+. Even better, it might even resurrect my old Nook Color! XD
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psyberian said:
Maybe someone with more knowledge (like @verygreen?) can chime in here, but I thought the fact that our Nooks (HD & HD+) are OMAP4-based means that we won't have the necessary drivers, since TI bailed out of the market. At least, that's what people have surmised, given that Google isn't releasing KitKat for the Gnex, which is OMAP 4430.
I hope I'm wrong, as the better low memory performance of 4.4 would be great to see on the HD+. Even better, it might even resurrect my old Nook Color! XD
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google may not have provided a rom for gnex but they have one in the xda forums already...since the nook hd+ is a supported cyanogenmod device I expect it will see CM11...probably omnirom since they are showing up in alot of places....and carbon.

famewolf said:
google may not have provided a rom for gnex but they have one in the xda forums already...since the nook hd+ is a supported cyanogenmod device I expect it will see CM11...probably omnirom since they are showing up in alot of places....and carbon.
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im so excited for 4.4 on our nooks!

[Q] What is the situation of CyanogenMod?

CyanogenMod recently pushed out stables for CM10.2 on a select range of devices announcing that, with this, their efforts would be solely focused towards the CM11 code branches. However, they also announced that any devices which received that RC1 of CM10.2 would too continue into CM11.
My question, considering we are still unfortunate enough to be on somewhat unstable nightlies (the notification sound delay, UI issues, application crashes) is, what will be the future of CyanogenMod on the O4x? Will we even make it to stable CM10.2?
Hopefully we can! This is such a brilliant device as you all know well, and the hardware restrictions of KitKat are supposed to be lowered anyway
For clarification, this is not a complaint, the work of the CyanogenMod Team is always much appreciated. I, and so many of you, have donated and thanked them and tested their software for them. This is merely to gain an understanding of where our device is headed so as to aid everybody here in the decision of whether to stick with the device or, should worse come to worse.... look for another :-/

csfrank271 said:
CyanogenMod recently pushed out stables for CM10.2 on a select range of devices announcing that, with this, their efforts would be solely focused towards the CM11 code branches. However, they also announced that any devices which received that RC1 of CM10.2 would too continue into CM11.
My question, considering we are still unfortunate enough to be on somewhat unstable nightlies (the notification sound delay, UI issues, application crashes) is, what will be the future of CyanogenMod on the O4x? Will we even make it to stable CM10.2?
Hopefully we can! This is such a brilliant device as you all know well, and the hardware restrictions of KitKat are supposed to be lowered anyway
For clarification, this is not a complaint, the work of the CyanogenMod Team is always much appreciated. I, and so many of you, have donated and thanked them and tested their software for them. This is merely to gain an understanding of where our device is headed so as to aid everybody here in the decision of whether to stick with the device or, should worse come to worse.... look for another :-/
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probably no official CM11 for us, or 10.2 stable/rc, atleast in forseeable future. thankfully, we have some very skilled devs working on unofficial version of CM, & Vanir&Omni.

Flying_Bear said:
probably no official CM11 for us, or 10.2 stable/rc, atleast in forseeable future. thankfully, we have some very skilled devs working on unofficial version of CM, & Vanir&Omni.
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Thank you, I was just wondering about the state of the official ROMs, it seems like the P880 has been forgotten about by CM
But, as you say, we are very lucky to have these fantastic devs building even better custom ROMs

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probably no official CM11 for us, or 10.2 stable/rc, atleast in forseeable future. thankfully, we have some very skilled devs working on unofficial version of CM, & Vanir&Omni.
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If everything is working right we should be able to submit it to cyanogenmod to get our nightlies back, but im not 100% sure

JoinTheRealms said:
If everything is working right we should be able to submit it to cyanogenmod to get our nightlies back, but im not 100% sure
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Hopefully we can have the issues fixed
Can't wait to see the community development though, the new Android RunTime looks very fascinating :3

why dont u enter cyanogenmod and see with your eyes ? anyway. of course we dont see any support. its a miracle that we had that much support too. who will support a phone which doesnt even has the support of the official company ? LG only had 4.0.3 and 4.1.2 and thats all. isnt it already a miracle that we have 4.3.1 ? and we have also so many good developers that work for 4.4 ?

I don't understand why people want 4.4 so bad when it's one of the worst upgrades from Google i have ever seen. They had to launch 4.4.1 updates right away. You want a better software I agree thats needed but 4.4 isn't a solution.
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Zhus06 said:
I don't understand why people want 4.4 so bad when it's one of the worst upgrades from Google i have ever seen. They had to launch 4.4.1 updates right away. You want a better software I agree thats needed but 4.4 isn't a solution.
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Everyone wants KitKat because... Well, because it's new! Why not? I believe that pushing one's expectations beyond what is already achieved represents a strong impulse to improvement. Experimenting, trying new solutions, feeling the awesomeness of something that did not exist before is a powerful spring to the change, the change in itself is something that animates the developers and makes them work with no reward as if this was their job.
It has happened with all Android versions, and always there had been someone who felt amazed and wondered why should we need a new version.
kK can be (and probably is, but who am I to judge) one of the worst Android versions, but I am happy to see people trying to overcome all the problems related with making it work on a relatively old device, and I am happy if by testing what is being developed, and by giving my opinion I can be of some help to somebody.
Want to call it a game? Why not! Want to consider people like me as grown up kids that need something to play with? Well, yes, I am, and will always cheer a new Android version working on one of my devices with grateful heart.

Ricardo Cerqueira is no longer the maintainer of our device?
there is no one who will replace him?

It should be possible to join the CM team, if the 4.4 is running.
The tegra3 problems will hopefully not be a trap for it.
If there is a maintainer who can update CM once, there will be no real reason not to get official support.

Good news everybody!
On the CyanogenMod website, the P880 has been listed officially as one the devices to receive support further than the CM10.2 nightlies, which will be a win-win for everyone

Bye Bye CM !

DarkFantasy6 said:
Bye Bye CM !
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Why do you say that? :-/

csfrank271 said:
On the CyanogenMod website, the P880 has been listed officially as one the devices to receive support further than the CM10.2 nightlies, which will be a win-win for everyone
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I saw the latest list the have revealed now, this is great!!
Noticed though that they said MOST of the devices that have CM10.2 builds will move into CM11 nightly during the next weeks.. "Most" hopefully means the P880 as well!

faabak said:
I saw the latest list the have revealed now, this is great!!
Noticed though that they said MOST of the devices that have CM10.2 builds will move into CM11 nightly during the next weeks.. "Most" hopefully means the P880 as well!
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Yes, hopefully!
But hey, a stable CM10.2 would even be fantastic, the community devs would appreciate it surely

We never got the m1 and stable so i hardly belive it that we get cm11. And without a good 3.4 kernel source from lg we wont feeo many adventafes of 4.4. but the awesome awesome optic would be nice Maybe im going to buy a Nexus 5. Im so frustrated of my lg optimus 2x and 4x. ONE update -.-

[Q] Android L (5)

How soon do you guys think a ROM will be made for Nook HD/HD+ after Android L releases? Any guesses? Cyanogen have done a great job with 4.4

That's just going to be a lot of assumptions

sandsofmyst said:
That's just going to be a lot of assumptions
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Probably why you were the only one to reply xD Thanks man

Just don't like to see 0 replies. That said, there's one now and then that I won't reply to. However, L is of much interest to me and some of the supposed improvements will hopefully be great. Plus L on the nooks would hopefully be even better. So I share your enthusiasm.
The release time could be shorter or longer depending on the amount of porting work to be done. There's other variables too. But someone else might also before cyanogenmod which would be fun.

Thanks for the reply, I agree on L being even better on the Nook varieties. Can't wait!

I was finally starting to look into bumping stock off og my HD9 and saw this... guess I can wait 4-6 months for this to all take shape... I wouldn't want to lose my progress in PvZ2 at this point anyhow

My question is whether or not upgrading to L will be a performance boost or if it'll just be bloat on the hardwwre. Won't know til it gets here though.

Goggles2114 said:
My question is whether or not upgrading to L will be a performance boost or if it'll just be bloat on the hardwwre. Won't know til it gets here though.
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With the nook being the nook... you could be right. The latest tech really makes android smooth, not android on the older tech.

OSs don't tend to get faster as they get fancier and the latest tablets and phones have much faster hardware (and more RAM).

Well I mean take a look at the iPhone 4S, it used to be able to run IOS 5 and now it's up to IOS 8 and it's still pretty fast. These companies need to focus as well on making the newer OS work well with older devices. I mean the HD/HD+ is only 2 years old...

Corkerman said:
the HD/HD+ is only 2 years old...
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It might be 2 years old but the hardware was never really all that great as it wasn't a top-of-the-line tablet when it came out.
Anyway, that's why I'm hoping 5.0 does something to improve performance, but wouldn't expect miracles from it if anything at all. Android just does better on newer hardware.
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Looks like cm11 m12 improved responsiveness a noticeable amount and finally too. Still not the same amount newer hardware would cause but a welcome improvement.

Goggles2114 said:
My question is whether or not upgrading to L will be a performance boost or if it'll just be bloat on the hardwwre. Won't know til it gets here though.
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I upgraded my Nexus 7 2013 to 5.0.0_r2, and it is noticeably faster than 4.4.4_r2. With kitkat, art sped up menus and navigation, but not really much else. Lollipop is all art - no dalvik option - and not only are menus and navigation faster, but it seems to speed up apps as well, mainly the Chrome browser. I've been using Lollipop for a couple of weeks now, compiled 5.0.0_r2 with 4.4.4 blobs, and I've been pretty impressed. I just built 5.0.0_r5 from source yesterday with the new 5.0 blobs they released. I haven't had time to install it, but I would imagine the performance to be the same as 5.0.0_r2.
Unfortunately, the Nook HD depends heavily on CM source, and quite frankly, it's a little above my expertise. So I'll just have to wait for verygreen, bokbokan, and leapinlar to give us a lollipop build for the Nook HD and HD+.

cahrens said:
I upgraded my Nexus 7 2013 to 5.0.0_r2, and it is noticeably faster
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That's great to hear it's indeed faster even though it's on a Nexus! Great job and hopefully the three guys can work some magic into the HD's

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I mean the HD/HD+ is only 2 years old...
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In consumer products, that's an eternity.

I've been working with Lollipop builds for a few weeks now, so I have a fairly decent idea of what is involved.
1) sensors.c (touchscreen) requires a minor rewrite.
2) hdmi_audio.c requires a symbol to be dropped (or qcom hardware specified, either/or)
3) selinux rewrites... blehch!
4) hwc, domx ... dunno yet, there's apparently working lollipop compatible source available
5) Changes to build/core/Makefile cause most builds to hang on imgdiff, some reversions are required to get around this.
OK, even with all this, I've only had one build boot enough to get some logs. Ironically it was my very first build.
http://pastebin.com/CNBrENWD
I did end up adding libcorkscrew. Anyway every subsequent build I've done reboots even before being able to get a last_kmsg. I'm at the point now where I believe our kernel will need to be patched to handle gcc 4.8. Changing the build to use gcc 4.7 is doable, but isn't very pretty or nice (too many headers have changed).
Anyone have any other hints or suggestions?

Jon Lee said:
I've been working with Lollipop builds for a few weeks now, so I have a fairly decent idea of what is involved.
1) sensors.c (touchscreen) requires a minor rewrite.
2) hdmi_audio.c requires a symbol to be dropped (or qcom hardware specified, either/or)
3) selinux rewrites... blehch!
4) hwc, domx ... dunno yet, there's apparently working lollipop compatible source available
5) Changes to build/core/Makefile cause most builds to hang on imgdiff, some reversions are required to get around this.
OK, even with all this, I've only had one build boot enough to get some logs. Ironically it was my very first build.
http://pastebin.com/CNBrENWD
I did end up adding libcorkscrew. Anyway every subsequent build I've done reboots even before being able to get a last_kmsg. I'm at the point now where I believe our kernel will need to be patched to handle gcc 4.8. Changing the build to use gcc 4.7 is doable, but isn't very pretty or nice (too many headers have changed).
Anyone have any other hints or suggestions?
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If it were me, I'd look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/kindle-fire/development/rom-kernel-unofficial-cm12-0-otterx-t2958155 or here http://forum.xda-developers.com/kindle-fire/development/slimpop-otterx-t2957450 for some guidance.
Hashcode is a legend on XDA and he has almost single-handedly kept the very old, TI OMAP 4430 Kindle Fire alive. As for lovejoy777, currently, he has been the most active, hard working dev for that same KF. Hashcode has CM12 working and lovejoy777 has Slimpop.
Since our device is so similar to the KF and Hashcode has contributed to the Nook in the past, looks to be a good resource??? Then again, verygreen could also pop in sometime down the road.
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It was because of installing CM on a Kindle Fire 2 for a friend that I decided to purchase a Nook (wanted an OMAP).
I checked both threads over but didn't immediately find any lollipop android_device source available.
I was right about the kernel (arm/lib/memset.S?). Only took me a week to figure it out.
I'm not quite sure yet what to make of the second set of logs, but this is where I'm at now.
http://pastebin.com/EXnJpp3L

Jon Lee said:
It was because of installing CM on a Kindle Fire 2 for a friend that I decided to purchase a Nook (wanted an OMAP).
I checked both threads over but didn't immediately find any lollipop android_device source available.
I was right about the kernel (arm/lib/memset.S?). Only took me a week to figure it out.
I'm not quite sure yet what to make of the second set of logs, but this is where I'm at now.
http://pastebin.com/EXnJpp3L
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One of my first android devices was the 1st gen KF and Hashcode helped make an inexpensive E-reader a very viable android tablet. I would PM Hashcode and/or lovejoy777. Hashcode is usually very busy but he has always been helpful towards other devs, I know he gave some assistance to lovejoy777 with SlimPop.
As for lovejoy777, he's fairly new at development but seems to be very helpful. I think he also may have gotten some help/guidance from MwisBest who built a LP rom for the OMAP 4460 Galaxy Nexus. I mention this because I believe he knows the importance of cooperation among devs. As an aside, while reading his thread I think I read that he was in the process of "cleaning up" his github. So, he could be a good source.
Maybe also PM killersloth. He built quite a few nice roms for our Nooks last year and just recently expressed some interest in trying to get LP on our device. Maybe if you contact him, you guys can make something happen. I'm an old fashioned XDA'er that believes cooperation amongst devs and end users is essential in the community. Every little bit can help.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=57255968&postcount=14
Anyway, you seem to be a very sharp guy. I wish you luck in getting LP to the Nook. I wish I could contribute more but I'm more of a file swapper and modder of existing work than a dev. :laugh:
Mike T

Moving to Texas in three days, been hectic around here lol.
I had major issues with hwc, selinux, and our old configs. Hashcode must have plowed through it if its running on otter. I'd check his commit history for some tips.
We needed this for prebuilt boot image before
http://review.cyanogenmod.org/#/c/36813/1
I needed it a few weeks back when attempting to build. They might have brought up their own method since then.
I wish they would have called it SlimPop instead of SlimLP ??

A 5.0 build for hummingbird would be nice. Hopefully it won't be hard to modify an ovation build since all the devel appears to be on ovation.