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Well, i have been around fair enough to notice how pissed the devs get about repetitive questions and/or already treated subjects. All because sometimes people are just too lazy to read a couple pages back or because they come demanding features and so.
Until now, we had no choice but just see how these kind of posts repeat themselves with impunity, putting a straw after straw and ending with many people's patience......
My suggestion would be to implement a karma system in which every user has a karma level and there is a minimum of karma required to post.
Quoting Wikipedia: ..."Many Western cultures have notions similar to karma, as demonstrated in the phrases what goes around comes around"...
This is how the karma system would work (Big picture):
+ Every post you write can have positive or negative feedback, which other users will judge
+ Reading posts increases your karma (at a slower rate than if you receive positive feedback from users: The forum already knows when you read which posts)
+ Positive feedback: Rises your karma, whereas negative one decreases it.
+ There is a minimum amount of karma required to start a post and another one to reply to already opened posts - as well, there is a different level for starting polls, creating pinned threads, etc.... this can be decided by the staff....
+ Users with too low karma cannot rate other users (vote positive or negative) this way, you prevent trolls with the only intention of lowering others karma.
+ If you have so low karma that you cannot even post anything, karma gets restored little by little by READING WHAT IS ALREADY WRITTEN... (As said before: The forum already knows when you read which posts)
+ Giving karma decreases your karma: So you cannot abuse the system and just start giving negative feedback to everyone just to piss people off.... if you rate negatively too much you could lose your ability to post.
+ A post with too much negative feedback gets automatically hidden - it does not just get erased, but somehow collapses (if you want, you can still read it) but by default you will already know it's a not-welcome comment....
I don't know how difficult this would be to implement, but it would sure clean the forum and keep the people a bit more interested in reading and using the forums properly.....
So, what do you people think?
Like this thread maybe if you agree and see if it can be done?
Thanks and behave.... sure even I have been lazy some times, but I try to stop having bad habits
Maybe this is for everyone's good and for the good future of the community.
Good idea
Btw m a noob
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GFXi0N said:
Well, i have been around fair enough to notice how pissed the devs get about repetitive questions and/or already treated subjects. All because sometimes people are just too lazy to read a couple pages back or because they come demanding features and so.
Until now, we had no choice but just see how these kind of posts repeat themselves with impunity, putting a straw after straw and ending with many people's patience......
My suggestion would be to implement a karma system in which every user has a karma level and there is a minimum of karma required to post.
This is how it would work (Big picture):
+ Every post you write can have positive or negative feedback, which other users will judge
+ Positive feedback: Rises your karma, whereas negative one decreases it.
+ There is a minimum amount of karma required to start a post and another one to reply to already opened posts - as well, there is a different level for starting polls, creating pinned threads, etc.... this can be decided by the staff....
+ If you have so low karma that you cannot even post anything, karma gets restored little by little by READING WHAT IS ALREADY WRITTEN...
I don't know how difficult this would be to implement, but it would sure clean the forum and keep the people a bit more interested in reading and using the forums properly.....
So, what do you people think?
Like this thread maybe if you agree and see if it can be done?
Thanks and behave.... sure even I have been lazy some times, but I try to stop having bad habits
Maybe this is for everyone's good and for the good future of the community.
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Not bad, but your forgetting that people are dicks and they'll downvote you just to be dicks.
We have a similar system at nationalhearse.net but it's nowhere near as well implemented as your idea.
In any case we already have a positive karma system with the thanks button, so I guess we're halfway there already.
Well, people with low karma (dicks) shouldn't be able to judge others and affect their karma, now should they? Only people with positive karma should be.
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Interesting idea.
One concern that comes to my mind is the possibility of a group of people colluding to give negatives to an individual they do not like, disagree with on some issue, or just to be mean.
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GFXi0N said:
Well, people with low karma (dicks) shouldn't be able to judge others and affect their karma, now should they? Only people with positive karma should be.
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I don't think we can place enough trust on the good nature of people on the internet. Remember XDa has over 4 million members. Even if 3 million 9 hundred thousand are good people there's still 100,000 dicks skewing the numbers.
Only so u know.. ''Karma'' means pet food in Polish, so it's funny for me.
Pet food is funny for me too.:silly:
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Pet food is funny for me too.:silly:
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Pet food system..
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Only so u know.. ''Karma'' means pet food in Polish, so it's funny for me.
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Lol, but this is referring to the Sanskrit definition. Well, not really a definition. More of a concept or cycle.
i want this implemented. i like this.
but how do we know users are reading?. we should have a reading button on each post so when they read they can press the reading button. that way we can keep track.
The forum knows which threads are you reading.... that's why, when you get a mail notification, it gets you to "newpost" and not to a concrete post number.... so, the user does not need to do anything.....
About people allying to vote negative to someone all at the same time..,... boy, that user should have done something to provoke that.... and karma is a *****....
funny language that which has karma as pet food... LOL
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i want this implemented. i like this.
but how do we know users are reading?. we should have a reading button on each post so when they read they can press the reading button. that way we can keep track.
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That would be like "i agree with these terms and conditions". It just wont work. I dont believe the karma system would solve anything. It would just destabilize xda....
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xda is destabilized enough.... i have seen developers quitting their "jobs" (kernels, roms....) because of pissing posts.... if this is not worth implementing a system that punishes being a **** in a forum, then nothing does....
I think this matter should be looked into.....
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xda is destabilized enough.... i have seen developers quitting their "jobs" (kernels, roms....) because of pissing posts.... if this is not worth implementing a system that punishes being a **** in a forum, then nothing does....
I think this matter should be looked into.....
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Its just that the noobs will abuse this system so much, it just wont work.
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GFXi0N said:
xda is destabilized enough.... i have seen developers quitting their "jobs" (kernels, roms....) because of pissing posts.... if this is not worth implementing a system that punishes being a **** in a forum, then nothing does....
I think this matter should be looked into.....
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exactly. our main ics developer quit because of the pissing posts. he posted for noobs to go to general thread and it be all fine, but no they stayed in the dev thread and spammed the krap out of stuff listed on the first post, known bugs, off-topic that belongs here, and just stupid redundant questions
we need this.
this should go to about xda section
iok1 said:
Its just that the noobs will abuse this system so much, it just wont work.
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Tweaked the system a bit:
+ Giving karma decreases your karma: So you cannot abuse the system and just start giving negative feedback to everyone just to piss people off.... if you rate negatively too much you could lose your ability to post.
What do you want me to ssay, guys, the system is not perfect, but we have something similar on a well known spanish page (not intended to spam) meneame(dot)net .... it's a reddit-kind of page where people send news and their comments can be rated and there is actually a karma system akready implemented.
Trolls will be trolls, but when a comment receives too many negative votes it gets hidden, etc etc....
GFXi0N said:
Tweaked the system a bit:
+ Giving karma decreases your karma: So you cannot abuse the system and just start giving negative feedback to everyone just to piss people off.... if you rate negatively too much you could lose your ability to post.
What do you want me to ssay, guys, the system is not perfect, but we have something similar on a well known spanish page (not intended to spam) meneame(dot)net .... it's a reddit-kind of page where people send news and their comments can be rated and there is actually a karma system akready implemented.
Trolls will be trolls, but when a comment receives too many negative votes it gets hidden, etc etc....
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around this idea, and I've followed this thread since you started it. There is a solution, or at least a possible one.
As it stands, here at xda, the "thanks" system has simply become a "like" system. And that's fine, because that's what we're used to on other sites. But lately, I've been thanking so many posts as sort of a "you're welcome", rather than its intended function. Its a two way street, and I like it, sort of.
What we really need is a "you're welcome" button.
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I think what we really need is a thread where you can make suggestions to moderators and site admins and see what they think.
I can tell you now though that this idea, albeit a nice principle, will not work. Too many people would abuse it, whether you like it or not, and it would become more work than help.
The problem with the site currently is that people don't use the report button. They respond. Mods are here to help keep the site on track and kick out undesirable characters - that's why they (we) were chosen to become mods. We didn't sign up to have to clean pages and pages of flaming and pointless rubbish that would never have occurred if someone had simply reported the first problematic post.
Also, this Karma idea would promote favouritism, which is a very bad thing. I personally think it's a lovely idea, but we don't live in a world of chocolate rivers with candy rainbows, where puppies play with us all day. If we did, I probably wouldn't even own a smartphone.
Seriously people, this is what the OT forum used to be like.
Now it's turned into a place of "Oh no he didn't just post a thread that is somewhat barely relavent to another thread in here somewhere. I better start trolling now."
Seriously?
How is it that this thread gets sht all over...
...when these are perfectly ok?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1629780 why?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1217295 complete randomness
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1953623 umm...there is already a gaming thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1074944 Oh NOES! Already an Off Topic Images thread here...close enough...spam it!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1945616 All things computer related go here.
Why dont we just cut to the chase and create all the threads that will ever be in the Off Topic Forum
All things remotely computer related go here.
All things remotely funny go here.
All things remotely sad or serious go here.
All things remotely related to what you are doing now, yesterday or ever go here.
All things that have ever been talked about...ever, go here.
All things that have never been talked about go here.
Have I missed anything?
Bring it, trolls
Close before the trolling begins.
I see where you are coming from mate but in all reality...do you yell at every single kid or person when they act the fool on the street?
Times have changed and whether I like it or not...this seems to be the norm. Not agreeing with the trolling or diminishing but with peoples attitude's over all.
Do me a favor and next time, PM me or report the trolling instead of coming off as an old man when kids step on his yard...not offending you but asking you too to follow proper procedure.
Cheers,
M_T_M
M_T_M said:
OK....after a major clean up this here thread should be back on topic.
@ OP....please carry on with maintaining this thread orginized. If don't wanna, PM and we'll change OPs.
No more tolling, please.
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"holding "
the difference between bravery and foolhardiness is in the outcome
jugg1es said:
Sorry m8,but if you thought just a cleanup was what I was after then you misunderstood my reasons. It's a lot more than just a thread cleanup that's needed in OT, things have happened over the last few months that have driven good regular people away. Maybe an attitude shift is what's really needed and a closer look at why these people have stopped posting.
This is my last post in here, anyway "good luck and thanks for all the fish"
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@jugg1es
[FONT="]I honestly have no idea what you're referring to here, but honestly you should send a PM to someone here you trust about your concerns. At the end of the day, we can't fix something that we don't know is a problem.
I always read and reply to PMs.
As for this thread, it's still a great thread and I would hate for it to die after all the hard work of categorizing and organizing the great work of moderators past and present, so I will take over the thread if you do not want to continue updating it or no longer feel the passion of "gold digging" if you will. Let me know or @M_T_M and we go from there.
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@jugg1es
[FONT="]I honestly have no idea what you're referring to here, but honestly you should send a PM to someone here you trust about your concerns. At the end of the day, we can't fix something that we don't know is a problem.
I always read and reply to PMs.
As for this thread, it's still a great thread and I would hate for it to die after all the hard work of categorizing and organizing the great work of moderators past and present, so I will take over the thread if you do not want to continue updating it or no longer feel the passion of "gold digging" if you will. Let me know or @M_T_M and we go from there.
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I'm currently chatting with M_T_M regarding this.
I would also hate to see the good things in this thread go, I also want it to continue in a decent vein. I'm gonna wait for a bit and see what happens
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M_T_M it's not going to work, there is no going back and ot has gone downhill too far for any sort of recovery, judging from the lack of listening that goes on and the overzealous moderation I've seen lately (ie a screenshot of a poxy benchmark deleted and the post that quoted it, then a thread closure because 3 people said they were out) is just the sign of things to come. I have respect for a lot of mods here unfortunately not enough of them to make this an unbiased LULZ thread. The conversation has gone in ot, the LULZ are dead and the good people of ot are being driven away in droves for fear of being infracted for stupid stuff and or possible ban. Just stick a fork in me now, I'm done. I'm going to go and decide if this is still the sandwich shop for me (@conantroutman) before I decide whether to get my account deleted. So long, it was fun a while back. Glenn
“Power brings a man many luxuries, but a clean pair of hands is seldom among them.”
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M_T_M it's not going to work, there is no going back and ot has gone downhill too far for any sort of recovery, judging from the lack of listening that goes on and the overzealous moderation I've seen lately (ie a screenshot of a poxy benchmark deleted and the post that quoted it, then a thread closure because 3 people said they were out) is just the sign of things to come. I have respect for a lot of mods here unfortunately not enough of them to make this an unbiased LULZ thread. The conversation has gone in ot, the LULZ are dead and the good people of ot are being driven away in droves for fear of being infracted for stupid stuff and or possible ban. Just stick a fork in me now, I'm done. I'm going to go and decide if this is still the sandwich shop for me (@conantroutman) before I decide whether to get my account deleted. So long, it was fun a while back. Glenn
“Power brings a man many luxuries, but a clean pair of hands is seldom among them.”
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Sorry to see you go Glenn.
vanessaem said:
Sorry to see you go Glenn.
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Better to walk away than get thrown out for saying something stupid regardless of how truthful I think it is
“Power brings a man many luxuries, but a clean pair of hands is seldom among them.”
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jugg1es said:
M_T_M it's not going to work, there is no going back and ot has gone downhill too far for any sort of recovery, judging from the lack of listening that goes on and the overzealous moderation I've seen lately (ie a screenshot of a poxy benchmark deleted and the post that quoted it, then a thread closure because 3 people said they were out) is just the sign of things to come. I have respect for a lot of mods here unfortunately not enough of them to make this an unbiased LULZ thread. The conversation has gone in ot, the LULZ are dead and the good people of ot are being driven away in droves for fear of being infracted for stupid stuff and or possible ban. Just stick a fork in me now, I'm done. I'm going to go and decide if this is still the sandwich shop for me (@conantroutman) before I decide whether to get my account deleted. So long, it was fun a while back. Glenn
“Power brings a man many luxuries, but a clean pair of hands is seldom among them.”
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LOLQUE??!!
But, but, but...u mad tho?
What ever happened to "let's talk about it" and "if you see something that requires the MC attention, report it" discussion we had?
I see your point about the post with the benchmark being deleted (not necessary IMHO) but...there's still LULZ to be had and LUL we shall, mate!!
Don't rage quit on me, man!!! You are better than this...
M_T_M said:
LOLQUE??!!
But, but, but...u mad tho?
What ever happened to "let's talk about it" and "if you see something that requires the MC attention, report it" discussion we had?
I see your point about the post with the benchmark being deleted (not necessary IMHO) but...there's still LULZ to be had and LUL we shall, mate!!
Don't rage quit on me, man!!! You are better than this...
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Its not a rage quit, it's simply a case of lost heart in the system. It doesn't work, ot gets all the 10 posters, then the first thing that happens is the dev threads full up with questions pretty much unchecked. During my lurking it seems that ot has become the home for moderation and dev threads have been left to become a mess. The rom q&a threads (which is a good idea) aren't used and the actual dev threads fill up. I'm no developer but I have become an experienced abuser of the platform, searching for anything in a thread has become a complete nightmare, search for a solution to any problem and you end up faced with hundreds of questions all asking the same thing with hundreds of different answers. OK so the gtfo and go use the search may have come across as harsh but it did force people to search(me included, I asked a fair few stupid questions) it was the harshness that forced me to learn how to use the search effectively, that effectiveness has been eroded. I know this has become a 'family friendly' forum but with the average age of people wanting to mod their devices getting lower at an alarming rate it seems that "give me nao" attitude of today's youth is being pandered to.
I came here to rid myself of sense on the saga, I found a community of people that helped by making me do, great conversation and friendship. It was an escape from the "give me nao" I have all day at work and that attitude is something I spend hours confronting and helping people do themselves. This is what xda was to me, now it's just a "ok I'll do all your searching for you and link you to the post 2 above yours".
Rage.... No, certainly not my friend.
(think I found one of your accounts on g+ and added it)
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Ok,
I've seen the back and forth in this thread.
Now I used to be an off topic denizen, as well as the Market Place when it existed. I know exactly how it was moderated and what it "used to be like."
I know the current people who moderate this section now, and honestly they deserve more respect than this. They are not here to make YOUR life hard, or to "ruin the fun," but to get moderation done just like any other section. Moderating is thankless job, and the one thing you do that someone doesn't agree with you get to hear about in posts like these.
You might take a step back and look to see if it's not XDA that's changed so much, but maybe you have too. Now I started this thread originally, because I thought it would be humorous collection of moderation rants and closes, and I wanted to contribute to the OT section of XDA.
Now I contribute as a moderator.
You've listed the reasons why you come to XDA and OT, but what do you contribute to the community? This IS a ragequit and honestly it's a poor way to deal with things. You need to use communication to handle the issues you feel are present instead of this big dramatic reasoning for leaving.
If you are going to leave, then I guess you gotta leave. There is no one person bigger than XDA.
But instead of being upset that about what XDA isn't doing for you, you might consider how you can contribute even more to the community, and try to actually get in communication with the moderating crew, you might be surprised how approachable they are.
I am saying this not as a moderator (this is not even my section), but as an XDA community member.
I would challenge you to take more responsibility in this community, and not observe the happenings around you and decide on an apathetic exit.
You are always welcome to give new ideas, to open up Q&A threads, to help out in so many ways, but just saying "the system doesn't work" and taking your ball and going home doesn't really help, does it?
There have always been "give me answers now" people on this site and there will always be, it is up to the community as a whole to make this about personal responsibility, and if you've given up the good fight, then we will continue anyways.
The choice, however, is always yours.
If you are not going to update this thread anymore, I can have someone transfer it back to me, but I'd rather you continue if you're up for it.
orangekid said:
I know the current people who moderate this section now, and honestly they deserve more respect than this. They are not here to make YOUR life hard, or to "ruin the fun," but to get moderation done just like any other section. Moderating is thankless job, and the one thing you do that someone doesn't agree with you get to hear about in posts like these.
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This made me laugh and cringe at the same time... There are maybe 3 mods in OT that deserve respect, the rest, not so much. I was raised you have to give respect to get respect and most give none so they get none in return. They won't be named because I'll undoubtedly be banned again for it.
Being a mod is a power position that many mods take advantage of, if you disagree just look at some of the posts linked in this very thread, they do the exact things that they have infracted and banned other users for! Trolling threads (in many cases unlocking a locked thread to do so) with senseless memes and degrading members with their replies in some cases, that behavior doesn't deserve respect at all. Being a mod some of you should really learn to lead by example and stop setting bad examples for other members. If you wouldn't want a "regular" member to do it, as a mod you definitely shouldn't be doing it... Not aimed at you Orangekid, just a general statement to all mods alike
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This made me laugh and cringe at the same time... There are maybe 3 mods in OT that deserve respect, the rest, not so much. I was raised you have to give respect to get respect and most give none so they get none in return. They won't be named because I'll undoubtedly be banned again for it.
Being a mod is a power position that many mods take advantage of, if you disagree just look at some of the posts linked in this very thread, they do the exact things that they have infracted and banned other users for! Trolling threads (in many cases unlocking a locked thread to do so) with senseless memes and degrading members with their replies in some cases, that behavior doesn't deserve respect at all. Being a mod some of you should really learn to lead by example and stop setting bad examples for other members. If you wouldn't want a "regular" member to do it, as a mod you definitely shouldn't be doing it... Not aimed at you Orangekid, just a general statement to all mods alike
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I understand completely.
I think we're on different sides of the fence on some of this. The bottom line is I know how the moderation game works and these guys bust their butts to make this the best place for mobile development, period.
Regardless, they are all open to communication and the MC is ALWAYS open as well.
At the end of the day we need to come together as a community.
It seems to be doing little good to go on and on about it here though honestly (me included), the most benefit would be to PM an MC member on this matter.
They will always listen, and you can take that to the bank.
But public ragequit does not resolve it.
That's the last I'll say on the matter, my inbox is always open too.
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orangekid said:
I understand completely.
I think we're on different sides of the fence on some of this. The bottom line is I know how the moderation game works and these guys bust their butts to make this the best place for mobile development, period.
Regardless, they are all open to communication and the MC is ALWAYS open as well.
At the end of the day we need to come together as a community.
It seems to be doing little good to go on and on about it here though honestly (me included), the most benefit would be to PM an MC member on this matter.
They will always listen, and you can take that to the bank.
But public ragequit does not resolve it.
That's the last I'll say on the matter, my inbox is always open too.
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I her what you're saying, I mod on a pretty big sports forum (over 2 million members now I believe) so I get what it takes, but when mods do one thing and then ban a member for that exact same thing it makes the mods in general look pretty immature and frankly, dumb...
It would be great if everybody could come together, but until some of the mods change their "I'm right about everything, you're wrong because I'm a mod" attitude is not going to happen.
I think the biggest point people are trying to make about the OT situation as a whole is that in OT, a post doesn't even have to be reported and within the hour it's gone, where as in dev threads you can report posts and they'll still be there days later. If a little more of that attention was spent on the parts of the site THAT ACTUALLY MATTER, there would be less of this going on...
This is the only forum I've ever been a part of where there is more mod attention in an OT section than in parts of the forum that actually pertain to the existence of the site in the first place.... Not saying ot shouldn't be modded the way it is, but the rest of the site should have those same standards and no matter what any mod says, it simply isn't.
Mods should also be held to a higher standard and when they're allowed to troll threads with memes while other users get infractions for the same behavior something is horribly wrong there
Guys, OT is getting the same attention as the other forums we moderate. We don't go checking every new post, though, which is why reports are important... Obviously, if we get a report we tend to keep an eye on the thread for a bit, which isn't very hard to do with notifications.
The point is: OT is not special. Really. It gets the same amount of attention as other forums and despite what you may think, we mostly rely on reports.
If you feel an issue you've reported hasn't been resolved, then please contact the moderator who took it. It might not require an action for some reason, or it might be still an open issue... So contact the acting mod and you'll get an explanation.
Similarly, if you have an issue with a particular mod, contact him and let him know about it, politely. If you think that's of no use, there's the moderator committee as well.
Also, about the spamming of memes: we haven't been doing that as of late. It was mostly done to give some lulz for all parties involved, but you didn't like it and we did listen.
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I her what you're saying, I mod on a pretty big sports forum (over 2 million members now I believe) so I get what it takes, but when mods do one thing and then ban a member for that exact same thing it makes the mods in general look pretty immature and frankly, dumb...
It would be great if everybody could come together, but until some of the mods change their "I'm right about everything, you're wrong because I'm a mod" attitude is not going to happen.
I think the biggest point people are trying to make about the OT situation as a whole is that in OT, a post doesn't even have to be reported and within the hour it's gone, where as in dev threads you can report posts and they'll still be there days later. If a little more of that attention was spent on the parts of the site THAT ACTUALLY MATTER, there would be less of this going on...
This is the only forum I've ever been a part of where there is more mod attention in an OT section than in parts of the forum that actually pertain to the existence of the site in the first place.... Not saying ot shouldn't be modded the way it is, but the rest of the site should have those same standards and no matter what any mod says, it simply isn't.
Mods should also be held to a higher standard and when they're allowed to troll threads with memes while other users get infractions for the same behavior something is horribly wrong there
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Lol...what are you talking about? What mod is doing something that's worth a ban?
I'm sorry to break it to you but we have way too many forums to cover to focus all of our attention here. Please come out of the OT forum every once in a while and you will see that moderating goes on elsewhere. Like I posted on another thread, OT gets away with a lot more than any other forum. So much so that some come from other forums and feel this is the place in which to break the rules and do whatever they feel like. I hope we all know that this isn't how it's supposed to be.
Ok no more memes and trolling from mods but I'm pretty sure that won't make anyone happy either. *Sigh*
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vanessaem said:
Lol...what are you talking about? What mod is doing something that's worth a ban?
I'm sorry to break it to you but we have way too many forums to cover to focus all of our attention here. Please come out of the OT forum every once in a while and you will see that moderating goes on elsewhere. Like I posted on another thread, OT gets away with a lot more than any other forum. So much so that some come from other forums and feel this is the place in which to break the rules and do whatever they feel like. I hope we all know that this isn't how it's supposed to be.
Ok no more memes and trolling from mods but I'm pretty sure that won't make anyone happy either. *Sigh*
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I'm very rarely in off-topic... And I didn't say it was worthy of a ban, but it is actions that others have been infracted and even banned for so...
And very good, though I seriously doubt the immaturity in some will allow them to not troll threads and post dumb memes while telling others to not do the same... Lol, double standards at its finest... Should be one set of rules for all, but sadly it's not... I believe you even posted in another thread today that members shouldn't troll threads and post the ib4l posts and post their memes but I've seen you do that very thing (examples can be found in this very thread)
Seems to me the mods need an overhaul if most of you believe that you can do what you tell others not to do. I don't really care what you all do, like I said, I'm rarely ever in ot anymore, I much prefer to stick to my device forum where some lighthearted trolling doesn't earn you a vacation, where the mod doesn't tell you not to do something and then turn around and do that very thing.
If regular users shouldn't be doing it, mods definitely shouldn't be doing it don't you think? (that's a rhetorical question by the way, no answer required because we ask know the answer don't we) *sigh*
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I'm very rarely in off-topic... And I didn't say it was worthy of a ban, but it is actions that others have been infracted and even banned for so...
And very good, though I seriously doubt the immaturity in some will allow them to not troll threads and post dumb memes while telling others to not do the same... Lol, double standards at its finest... Should be one set of rules for all, but sadly it's not... I believe you even posted in another thread today that members shouldn't troll threads and post the ib4l posts and post their memes but I've seen you do that very thing (examples can be found in this very thread)
Seems to me the mods need an overhaul if most of you believe that you can do what you tell others not to do. I don't really care what you all do, like I said, I'm rarely ever in ot anymore, I much prefer to stick to my device forum where some lighthearted trolling doesn't earn you a vacation, where the mod doesn't tell you not to do something and then turn around and do that very thing.
If regular users shouldn't be doing it, mods definitely shouldn't be doing it don't you think? (that's a rhetorical question by the way, no answer required because we ask know the answer don't we) *sigh*
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Ok I've done the very same thing somewhere. No one can seem to find that many posts of mine funny or trollish enough to post in this thread but somehow you found some examples...ok. Anyway, we seem to be going around in circles here. The mods are out to get you, some feel victimized, the mods are the enemy except a chosen few, xda is going down the tubes because moderators are moderating, circles and ponies.
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Ok I've done the very same thing somewhere. No one can seem to find that many posts of mine funny or trollish enough to post in this thread but somehow you found some examples...ok. Anyway, we seem to be going around in circles here. The mods are out to get you, some feel victimized, the mods are the enemy except a chosen few, xda is going down the tubes because moderators are moderating, circles and ponies.
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Again nobody said anything like that, but it doesn't surprise me that you would twist everything to better suit you...
And don't act like you've never posted memes into threads (following the moderator crowd as to not feel left out I'm sure) I've seen it just like many others have, you're not the lone mod in ot that doesn't do it... Just because you're not funny enough to make this thread doesn't mean you haven't done it..
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I'm very rarely in off-topic... And I didn't say it was worthy of a ban, but it is actions that others have been infracted and even banned for so...
And very good, though I seriously doubt the immaturity in some will allow them to not troll threads and post dumb memes while telling others to not do the same... Lol, double standards at its finest... Should be one set of rules for all, but sadly it's not... I believe you even posted in another thread today that members shouldn't troll threads and post the ib4l posts and post their memes but I've seen you do that very thing (examples can be found in this very thread)
Seems to me the mods need an overhaul if most of you believe that you can do what you tell others not to do. I don't really care what you all do, like I said, I'm rarely ever in ot anymore, I much prefer to stick to my device forum where some lighthearted trolling doesn't earn you a vacation, where the mod doesn't tell you not to do something and then turn around and do that very thing.
If regular users shouldn't be doing it, mods definitely shouldn't be doing it don't you think? (that's a rhetorical question by the way, no answer required because we ask know the answer don't we) *sigh*
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You are correct. There have been times when we ask members to not do something and then went ahead and did it ourselves. That isn't really leading by example and we have listened to that complaint. It recently has been brought up with in our team chat and we listened to the complaint. We will no longer be spamming threads with memes. The only reason we really did it in the first place was at the request of others.
With that being said I am glad you brought this up. It is a perfect example of how if you all feel that something is out of place you guys can come to us. You didn't like us doing something that you guys were told not to do (even if it was at the request of others) and we agreed with the statement and listened to you all changing our ways. I know some of you have an unfavorable view of me, but please understand I always try to stay impartial and if any of you ever bring an issue to my attention I will do whatever is in my power to address it properly. So will the others in my team. If they don't, feel free to report the PM or contact our team leader @crachel as well.
As the others have said, from a team standpoint, the OT forum is nothing more than a very minor blimp on our radar. We have 70 other forums each with their own set of issues to deal with. To us, ot is nothing more than a forum on the list of forums we moderate. We really do not see it has any different than any other forum on XDA.
So I will ask that you please bring us any complaints you guys have before it builds up and explodes. Once people reach the point of no return generally there is no fixing the situation. It is something like that we would like to avoid and I assume so would you all. Us mods are truly here for you guys and we all know we wouldn't have xda without the members
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Again nobody said anything like that, but it doesn't surprise me that you would twist everything to better suit you...
And don't act like you've never posted memes into threads (following the moderator crowd as to not feel left out I'm sure) I've seen it just like many others have, you're not the lone mod in ot that doesn't do it... Just because you're not funny enough to make this thread doesn't mean you haven't done it..
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Such anger. Too bad. So I posted a meme a few times. BTW...I never said anyone shouldn't post memes.
Oh boy...
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You are correct. There have been times when we ask members to not do something and then went ahead and did it ourselves. That isn't really leading by example and we have listened to that complaint. It recently has been brought up with in our team chat and we listened to the complaint. We will no longer be spamming threads with memes. The only reason we really did it in the first place was at the request of others.
With that being said I am glad you brought this up. It is a perfect example of how if you all feel that something is out of place you guys can come to us. You didn't like us doing something that you guys were told not to do (even if it was at the request of others) and we agreed with the statement and listened to you all changing our ways. I know some of you have an unfavorable view of me, but please understand I always try to stay impartial and if any of you ever bring an issue to my attention I will do whatever is in my power to address it properly. So will the others in my team. If they don't, feel free to report the PM or contact our team leader @crachel as well.
As the others have said, from a team standpoint, the OT forum is nothing more than a very minor blimp on our radar. We have 70 other forums each with their own set of issues to deal with. To us, ot is nothing more than a forum on the list of forums we moderate. We really do not see it has any different than any other forum on XDA.
So I will ask that you please bring us any complaints you guys have before it builds up and explodes. Once people reach the point of no return generally there is no fixing the situation. It is something like that we would like to avoid and I assume so would you all. Us mods are truly here for you guys and we all know we wouldn't have xda without the members
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Thank you for at least standing up and admitting to it instead of back pedaling like the other that decided to reply with a condescending, I'm better than you, attitude. (the exact thing I was talking about so it really got a good chuckle out of me) me and you have had words in the past, but you just earned some respect with your reply.
I honestly think it would make a difference if users didn't see mods do the exact thing they tell others not to do, maybe not much, but I believe it'll make a difference. I understand that being a mod is not a perfect science and mistakes will be made (being a mod elsewhere I know it's not the easiest thing sometimes), but honestly one of the biggest mistakes a mod can make is being above the rules they are supposed to enforce, one of them was being broken by mods regularly, seeing that change is a step in the right direction imo
XDA used to be a great place with cool people. Now it's filled with a bunch of whiners with some of the thinnest skin I have ever seen. Growing up in my time you could not survive being so soft, soft like Ice Cream Soft Serve in the Summer Heat. It's ashame. What happened to handling things and then being over it. People cry and hit report buttons., " OH MOMMY IM TELLING ON YOU." This country is doomed if this is what we have filling the work roles in the new generation. I am proud to not be a part of what I want to name the Whiner Generation or the Thinned Skin Generation. The World owes this generation because they did nothing to earn it. Where this you OWE me SOMETHING FOR NOTHING came from I don't know. Then there are those who are in control of keeping things clean and they also use that to whine about something ebcause they don't like. It's like getting being told by your parents not to curse while they are saying it like this --> DON"T ****ING CURSE...See where I am going with that? Makes no sense. There are some good people out there but this plague of soft skinned people are ruining what used to be such an awesome place to be. Now you have to "TIP TOE your question so someone doesn't get butt hurt, cry, tell mommy or get told its not on topic.
This is in the OFF-topic section so I am hoping that I did this correctly and by the rules. If I have not I am sorry I figured Off-Topic is where you post something that has nothing to do with anything else, basically general. Thanks
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XDA used to be a great place with cool people. Now it's filled with a bunch of whiners with some of the thinnest skin I have ever seen. Growing up in my time you could not survive being so soft, soft like Ice Cream Soft Serve in the Summer Heat. It's ashame. What happened to handling things and then being over it. People cry and hit report buttons., " OH MOMMY IM TELLING ON YOU." This country is doomed if this is what we have filling the work roles in the new generation. I am proud to not be a part of what I want to name the Whiner Generation or the Thinned Skin Generation. The World owes this generation because they did nothing to earn it. Where this you OWE me SOMETHING FOR NOTHING came from I don't know. Then there are those who are in control of keeping things clean and they also use that to whine about something ebcause they don't like. It's like getting being told by your parents not to curse while they are saying it like this --> DON"T ****ING CURSE...See where I am going with that? Makes no sense. There are some good people out there but this plague of soft skinned people are ruining what used to be such an awesome place to be. Now you have to "TIP TOE your question so someone doesn't get butt hurt, cry, tell mommy or get told its not on topic.
This is in the OFF-topic section so I am hoping that I did this correctly and by the rules. If I have not I am sorry I figured Off-Topic is where you post something that has nothing to do with anything else, basically general. Thanks
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I'm an 'old' guy too. In my experience threads from different devices hold different people. My previous device was a Samsung Galaxy S Plus. It was never a popular device with younger people. So everyone was more respectful to each other. People were always hitting the thanks button and everyone read the thread first before asking a question. My current device (Moto G 2014) is more popular with younger people. They wine about thing not working, demand things and ask for ETA's without any hesitation. They ask a question which was answered 3 posts earlier on the previous page. Searching is very hard work. Asking/demanding is easier... Furthermore, the 'thanks' button is very hard to find....
No, they are not all like this of course, but sometimes miss the old days, with 'old' guys on my old device....
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I'm young (16), but I see this happening in the world in general, not just XDA. I agree with most things you said, but maybe you should change your focus (especially in the title) to the world, rather than just XDA.
My 2¢
Sent from my Galaxy Note 4........FAKE! Admit it, you thought I had money for a second didn't you?
XDA may be different from before but it had survived through thick and thin. All should be grateful for what they learned from here. After all, sharing is caring.
I'm old school when XDA was an HTC only site, America is totally going to fall apart in another 10 years when the entitlement generation gets into the work force and everybody is expecting free food, healthcare and a subsidized 4 bedroom home. I've seen devs lock their threads and go home because of the whining and acting like their owed a bug free custom ROM.
If you want to know what happened, its the communism/liberalism from the cold war that took over the US culture, they couldn't beat us with bullets and bombs so they infiltrated Americas institutions and can destroy the country from within. Its will be a slow and steady process, but were seeing the beginning of the results.
Wow! Another thread whining about whiners..just what XDA needs!
People flooding the forums with these types of threads do nothing for the site but prove your own point about too much whining and demands.
Seems a simple thing to add people to your Ignore User list and concentrate on the development aspects of the site
I also think the one post hit it on the head...it is more the world than XDA
Thread closed!
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After you have run through the initial setup of your new Redmi Note 7 here are a few things you should do first on the Note 7.
I do two things,set gps to battery saving, and in developers options set limit proces to three instead of standard. I notice that battery last longer
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I do two things,set gps to battery saving, and in developers options set limit proces to three instead of standard. I notice that battery last longer
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How much 'longer', after you set it up to three?
i do 2 things first
1) look for twrp official
2) look for pixel experience
oh wow, NEITHER are available for this device 6 months after its released :victory:
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How much 'longer', after you set it up to three?
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For me and my phone usage..day and a half.. with playing , gaming , YouTube, data usage..social networks..
But it will a little slow down your phone.. because every app you open ,is closed ..and..takes a little time to open it.. because its not in proces..so..
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i do 2 things first
1) look for twrp official
2) look for pixel experience
oh wow, NEITHER are available for this device 6 months after its released :victory:
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Yeah how about you build your own ROM. Be patience. Developers are doing it if they felt like doing it. Stop barking if this phones never gets Pixel Experience ROM. Also this phone just came out for some places officially
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Yeah how about you build your own ROM. Be patience. Developers are doing it if they felt like doing it. Stop barking if this phones never gets Pixel Experience ROM. Also this phone just came out for some places officially
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please don't get upset at me. i am very patient for 6 months - maybe you can build us pixel experience, you seem to have alot to say, stay calm i am sure we will get something custom by 2030. :fingers-crossed:
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please don't get upset at me. i am very patient for 6 months - maybe you can build us pixel experience, you seem to have alot to say, stay calm i am sure we will get something custom by 2030. :fingers-crossed:
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You're here on this forum since just one month and you really think you can complain about not having your new toy and scream about it ? If you're not happy with what devs give us FOR FREE... what are you doing here ? do u understand words like "community", "free work" and "sharing" ? i guess no.
Please, with all respect, do not respond, you will just look more stupid (if it's even possible).
Not releasing source code isn't sharing ?
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please don't get upset at me. i am very patient for 6 months - maybe you can build us pixel experience, you seem to have alot to say, stay calm i am sure we will get something custom by 2030. :fingers-crossed:
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You are a living example of what is wrong with this community and how much better it used to be. A lot of cocky ungrateful brats these days, acting like people owe them anything lol. Well here is the truth, no one owes you **** here buddy, so stop crying and whining, or as another user already said, build the rom yourself if you are so smartass. Also, you seem to have big problems with maths, because this device was released february 28. So its not even 3months old yet lmao. Just stop talking nonsense please, no one likes or appreciates your attitude in this forum.
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You are a living example of what is wrong with this community and how much better it used to be. A lot of cocky ungrateful brats these days, acting like people owe them anything lol. Well here is the truth, no one owes you **** here buddy, so stop crying and whining, or as another user already said, build the rom yourself if you are so smartass. Also, you seem to have big problems with maths, because this device was released february 28. So its not even 3months old yet lmao. Just stop talking nonsense please, no one likes or appreciates your attitude in this forum.
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You know, a couple of you guys aren't exactly helping the mood or fostering the feeling of community. I'm being blunt, not trying to continue the attacks. Folks that have been around for a while are right to keep the new people and haters in check, no doubt we need that, but jumping all over someone when he wasn't really begging, complaining about anyone in particular, or being especially rude, is a bigger problem - this turns new people off. The "old" members seem to get pissy a little too quick and a little too often, don't you think? We don't need XDA becoming 4chan/Android or the Twitter of development - we're all better than that.
I took his comment simply as frustration, and he was not incorrect, except he had the date wrong - and you seem to be aware of that, so cut him some slack, please. When you treat newer and less experienced people the exact same way you ask them NOT to act, they tend to go away rather than learn and eventually contribute to the community, and we need all the new help we can get. I'm sure I've been present in the Android ROM community for longer than anyone in this thread (2009, HTC Dream), and I don't stoop to personal attacks here (I save it for Reddit, LOL), so I'll kindly ask you all to stick to constructive comments. I'm sure you're all smart enough to point out to people where they've gone wrong without being twice as rude as them, right?
I'll go back to lurking now, and hope the Redmi Note 7 community here is a little nicer and more helpful than some of the devices I've been researching here lately. It used to be legitimately fun. Shout out to @owenbeals for getting the ball rolling on what should be a fun and insightful thread. Let's get it back on track.
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emepher said:
You know, a couple of you guys aren't exactly helping the mood or fostering the feeling of community. I'm being blunt, not trying to continue the attacks. Folks that have been around for a while are right to keep the new people and haters in check, no doubt we need that, but jumping all over someone when he wasn't really begging, complaining about anyone in particular, or being especially rude, is a bigger problem - this turns new people off. The "old" members seem to get pissy a little too quick and a little too often, don't you think? We don't need XDA becoming 4chan/Android or the Twitter of development - we're all better than that.
I took his comment simply as frustration, and he was not incorrect, except he had the date wrong - and you seem to be aware of that, so cut him some slack, please. When you treat newer and less experienced people the exact same way you ask them NOT to act, they tend to go away rather than learn and eventually contribute to the community, and we need all the new help we can get. I'm sure I've been present in the Android ROM community for longer than anyone in this thread (2009, HTC Dream), and I don't stoop to personal attacks here (I save it for Reddit, LOL), so I'll kindly ask you all to stick to constructive comments. I'm sure you're all smart enough to point out to people where they've gone wrong without being twice as rude as them, right?
I'll go back to lurking now, and hope the Redmi Note 7 community here is a little nicer and more helpful than some of the devices I've been researching here lately. It used to be legitimately fun. Shout out to @owenbeals for getting the ball rolling on what should be a fun and insightful thread. Let's get it back on track.
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First thing I do on any Android phone or tablet: Install Nova Launcher. I like how it works, I can easily set things up the way I'm used to having them, and it works reliably and smoothly.
For the Redmi Note 7, I went ahead and used my previous/existing phone to set things up more or less automatically, which I had not had great luck with in the past but worked very well to install my apps and whatnot. I did choose to restore my Nova settings from a backup saved to my Google drive, which worked, too.
I also install Textra immediately, and this time I didn't even bother trying Xiaomi's stock messaging app, because I like Textra that much. And I turned off auto brightness, because I never agree with it on what is the correct setting for any given environment.
What else, besides case and screen protector? I know, Gorilla Glass 5, but it can still scratch, and even a cheap slim case can help a phone survive the drops I'm sure to put it through. For the cheap price, I was tempted to go "naked," just to keep it slim and simple, but that's a recipe for disaster with my butter fingers.
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Sorry but your post is wayyy too long to finish. I did read the first paragraph tho. And no, i dont feel like i did anything wrong here. He is rude, entitled and ungrateful person, thats a fact. No one likes his attitude here, thats also a fact. And its not only about this comment, if you look at his profile, hes a new member, whos all posts are the same, crying and whining and criticizing devs for not delivering his favourite rom like they owe him that. LOL. So yeah, im gonna stay with my words.
First thing I do on any Android phone or tablet: Install Nova Launcher. I like how it works, I can easily set things up the way I'm used to having them, and it works reliably and smoothly.
For the Redmi Note 7, I went ahead and used my previous/existing phone to set things up more or less automatically, which I had not had great luck with in the past but worked very well to install my apps and whatnot. I did choose to restore my Nova settings from a backup saved to my Google drive, which worked, too.
I also install Textra immediately, and this time I didn't even bother trying Xiaomi's stock messaging app, because I like Textra that much. And I turned off auto brightness, because I never agree with it on what is the correct setting for any given environment.
What else, besides case and screen protector? I know, Gorilla Glass 5, but it can still scratch, and even a cheap slim case can help a phone survive the drops I'm sure to put it through. For the cheap price, I was tempted to go "naked," just to keep it slim and simple, but that's a recipe for disaster with my butter fingers.
Next up is to unlock the boot loader, install TWRP, and try some ROMs. Big LOS fan, but I'll try any ROM that looks stable-ish.
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Sorry but your post is wayyy too long to finish. I did read the first paragraph tho. And no, i dont feel like i did anything wrong here. He is rude, entitled and ungrateful person, thats a fact. No one likes his attitude here, thats also a fact. And its not only about this comment, if you look at his profile, hes a new member, whos all posts are the same, crying and whining and criticizing devs for not delivering his favourite rom like they owe him that. LOL. So yeah, im gonna stay with my words.
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Okay, great, thanks for being so helpful and making my point for me.
wow i read all this and at the end of it checked twrp.me and guess what.. still nothing!
rofl, sorry if i sound impatient but yes i agree with emepher - you guys are very wound up over nothing, if i was someone who cared what you wannabe nerds had to say i would probably leave these forums straight away, sadly for you guys i will be around for eternity, haunting your souls. Lets all just relax and enjoy, who knows you might even learn something from me.
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wow i read all this and at the end of it checked twrp.me and guess what.. still nothing!
rofl, sorry if i sound impatient but yes i agree with emepher - you guys are very wound up over nothing, if i was someone who cared what you wannabe nerds had to say i would probably leave these forums straight away, sadly for you guys i will be around for eternity, haunting your souls. Lets all just relax and enjoy, who knows you might even learn something from me.
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But you said you gonna sell this device after 1 more week. So why lie? Lmao. You are pathetic atempt of a troll, everybody know you now, just gonna get ignored kiddo. Only thing we could potentially learn from you is being childish, self entitled, rude kiddo. Oh, and we could also learn broken math from you, because apparently its been over 6months since february 28 lmao.
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But you said you gonna sell this device after 1 more week. So why lie? Lmao. You are pathetic atempt of a troll, everybody know you now, just gonna get ignored kiddo. Only thing we could potentially learn from you is being childish, self entitled, rude kiddo. Oh, and we could also learn broken math from you, because apparently its been over 6months since february 28 lmao.
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i think i might love you
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xZG6qUU8ak
After you have run through the initial setup of your new Redmi Note 7 here are a few things you should do first on the Note 7.
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Thanks for the link.