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if gingerbread is the future of android devices, it suppose to support hardware capabilities that may not be on the nexus that has been around for a while.
i really wanted to buy a nexus, but it seems that when android 3.0 is out - it should be followed by high end devices by HTC and others.
i really don't know what to do here...
gingerbread is said to launch mid november - not a long time to hold off.
but hey, what do think? wait or buy nexus now?
That is Exactly what I am doing! The desire HD looks wonderful, but i think There will be a VERY nice phone coming on T mobile with new gingerbread already there around Christmas....Just my guess
It seems T mobile and Google have some sort of special deal when it comes to android, like getting stock android phones.....and there MUST be a stock gingerbread phone coming soon!
oronm said:
if gingerbread is the future of android devices, it suppose to support hardware capabilities that may not be on the nexus that has been around for a while.
i really wanted to buy a nexus, but it seems that when android 3.0 is out - it should be followed by high end devices by HTC and others.
i really don't know what to do here...
gingerbread is said to launch mid november - not a long time to hold off.
but hey, what do think? wait or buy nexus now?
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First, Gingerbread will run fine on a N1. Second, no matter when you buy a phone in a couple months another one will come out that is even better. The N1 has an awesome modding scene though.
First, Gingerbread will run fine on a N1.
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nobody know that for sure...the minimal requirements may suit the N1 but it may lack the ability to perform certain tasks. we've seen it happen with other phones.
Second, no matter when you buy a phone in a couple months another one will come out that is even better
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true for most cases. to me nexus is different from others by design. that phone feels right. i really couldn't care less about all these samsungs or motorolas that are out there. and other htc devices seem too big like the desire HD that was mentioned.
basicly, the world need a NEXUS TWO!
So you think Google will develop an OS using their development phone, but not all features of the OS will work on the phone they developed it on? I highly doubt that. Google debunked the minimum requirements roomer for Gingerbread, that was nothing but a site trying to get traffic. Do a little thinking on the subject.
If I were getting a new phone soon though, I would wait till the next gen ones come out. I do love my Nexus though!
the nexus one was a success in regard of telling the world "this is what android can do right now". others did follow and it is biting the market share making other mobile OS look like code accidents.
none the less, why shouldn't gingerbread allow "facetime like" video service for capable devices? the technology for that is in the wild. that is only one example. i am sure there are more features just like that.
at this point, maybe it would be smarter to wait.
oronm said:
the nexus one was a success in regard of telling the world "this is what android can do right now". others did follow and it is biting the market share making other mobile OS look like code accidents.
none the less, why shouldn't gingerbread allow "facetime like" video service for capable devices? the technology for that is in the wild. that is only one example. i am sure there are more features just like that.
at this point, maybe it would be smarter to wait.
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Whether or not Gingerbread includes a facetime like option is irrelevant to how it will run on the N1. Obviously any phone without a front-facing camera will not be able to do something like facetime. Gingerbread itself will run just fine on the N1. Without going into any technical reasons, just think of this. Of all the Android phones out there right now, the top ones are all in the general vicinity of the N1 in performance. If Gingerbread wouldn't run on the N1, then you cut out these phones too which means only as-yet-unreleased phones would run Gingerbread. So on what basis are you questioning it?
You should probably wait though since you don't seem sure about the N1. The only guarantee you can have is that in a few months from now an even better phone will be released. And then a few months from that once again, and repeat... Dual core snapdragons will start finding their way into phones at some point soon. If you're not rushed then just wait and see what comes out.
With dual core I9100 with dual-core processor & 'honeycomb' around the corner, I think its the end of an era called I9000. With more than 12 million I9000s sold, there is a bleak future for it.
well its not like those 12 million phones are just gonna stop working when the new one comes out..........well maybe 6 million might have the sd cards stop working but im in a debate with myself whether to get the atrix or the S2 its hard
Everything that has a beginning have an end
we probably still have gingerbread to play around. [optimistic mode]
I hope samsung doesn't stop making new phones. One flagship model a year is very reasonable. Aside from a few specialty models here and there for specific carriers, they certainly have the right idea. One new phone a year is great and the one I have now will do just fine until my contract is up.
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Right all 12+ million are going straight in the garbage on galaxy s2 launch day, because everyone has the cash to buy a new $500+ phone every year and the galaxy S will all of the sudden be less capable.
'Bleak future' because the next version is out? Hate to break it to you but all these pieces of tech are dated and have replacements in the works before they even hit the shelves. There is no 'future' for any of them, just a moment in the sun and the glory starts fading almost instantly. Enjoy what you have and focus on the new tech when you're ready to pay for it again and start the cycle anew.
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The performance of the samsung galaxy s is absolutly fast enough (-> imo with speedmod and lagfix it's brilliant). Furthermore Gingerbread will also come for the i9000, so no need to worry. I think Samsung will not drop the phone's support so soon.
Exactly, and with all the custom roms that are going around, Im pretty sure that you'll be able to get a few more updates out of the phone before it simply can't run the latest firmware anymore.
I hate these threads. Even with the Galaxy S 2, our phones will still be 'mid range' and will still do the things that we have been using them for!
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With dual core I9100 with dual-core processor & 'honeycomb' around the corner, I think its the end of an era called I9000. With more than 12 million I9000s sold, there is a bleak future for it.
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The i9000 is the beginning
Besides, there are stil some things we can do, mostly kernel related.
Love to see GPU at 275mhz adjustment in kernel (only GPU, no CPU oc).
Remove the 56/57 FPS restriction in kernel
Update GPU's drivers in kernel
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Considering cm7 is almost stable, i'd say this is the beginning of the i9000
As long as google makes new firmware's available and the cm team keep up to date, our devices will as well. Just look at the G1
1.5 -> 1.6 -> 2.0 ->2.1 -> 2.2....
Developers + open source = We decide when a device is near its end
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Considering cm7 is almost stable, i'd say this is the beginning of the i9000
As long as google makes new firmware's available and the cm team keep up to date, our devices will as well. Just look at the G1
1.5 -> 1.6 -> 2.0 ->2.1 -> 2.2....
Developers + open source = We decide when a device is near its end
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Even more, if you look at "older" device, like the HTC vogue, it got the latest version even if it was running WinMo before... Even if samsung cease support for the SGS and 2.3 or 2.4 is the last available "official" port, we got plenty of support from the devs in here for a long time!
Fail thread....................
CM7 is really stable, this is a huge leap towards future upgrades. It's took so long for the guys to get past all Samsungs crap and finally they're making real progress. So how is this the end of the i9000? There are plenty of REALLY old phones still running the latest version of android.
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Fail thread....................
CM7 is really stable, this is a huge leap towards future upgrades. It's took so long for the guys to get past all Samsungs crap and finally they're making real progress. So how is this the end of the i9000? There are plenty of REALLY old phones still running the latest version of android.
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I'm still having a Nokia3310. :embarassed:
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I'm still having a Nokia3310. :embarassed:
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Dude don't be embarrassed, play as much snake and space invaders as you like!
At the end of the day with all these dual core processors are they really going to be able to do anything our single cores can't?
The only immediate advantage i can see is for gaming, its not like web browsing or texting needs two cores.
As for nfc well i can't see it replacing bank cards any time soon. Everyone thought visa and the like would spell the end for cash and it hasn't.
I think its a lot of fuss over nothing and is only gonna be good for people who like to measure their e-penis!
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I actually think the SGS is in great shape with CM7 on the way. Plus its hardware can probably handle anything up to 2.4 and dual cores are not that big of a deal. So rest assured we still have a future ahead.
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With dual core I9100 with dual-core processor & 'honeycomb' around the corner, I think its the end of an era called I9000. With more than 12 million I9000s sold, there is a bleak future for it.
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its totally depend on people interest,,,,,if dev os interested in one pertucular device then some how devlopment is going on,i had touch hd and still dev is cooking rom........................so its hard to say.and upto how long we will keep on buying new handset?every year new cellphone with new technology..........i think that is policy of mobile company to give less support to existing phone and sell new more,,,,,,,,i think ones they sell mobile they forgot coustomer,,,,,,tht why microsoft is on oxygen....
im more than happy with my SGS and i wont panic into buyins the SGS-2 until i think its necessary,
2x processors = 2x quicker battery drain... unless there is a massive breakthrough in powering a battery for longer.... we will all be carrying our own personal 'car battery' to keep our phones running.
it will be like going back to the 80's with a phone bigger than a breeze block.
but if you can afford a new SGS-2 by all means go for it !!! but us SGS 1 owners aint embarrassed... there wont be a massive difference IMO except our wallets will be lighter and maybe our credit rating a bit higher
who cares.
Can a noob like myself state that the OP is talking utter, utter nonsense without being accused of flaming? I know I shouldn't get irritated, and please let me know if you think I'm out of order, but such ludicrous generalisations as the OPs, stated as bald fact without any evidence whatsoever deserve to be shot down, IMHO.
I've had my Galaxy for two weeks. It's doing everything I need it to do, and thanks to the wonderful people here, it's tweaked to death, quick, responsive and has also become my main music player (thanks supercurio!). I see absolutely no need to even consider replacing it because something new and shiny is just around the corner. Something new and shiny is always just around the corner.
"This is the end as we know it"
"End of an era"
"Bleak future"
Good grief. Armageddon time.Just as well you're not being melodramatic, eh? I'll try to survive in this era (an era of less than a year? Of course!) as long as i can...
I think t1mann has it right.
We’ve been hard at work on CM9 since Google released Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) into the wild last month, and things are slowly starting to come together. Google did a great job with ICS and added some really awesome features which in some cases replace or deprecate functionality that we had in CM7, so we are reevaluating all of our customizations. A number of devices are already up and running with CM9, and the focus is currently on getting as many devices ready as we can. The first devices (besides the Nexus S, which you can already get from Koush’s section on ROM Manager) that we’ll have ready will mostly likely be devices based on OMAP4, MSM8660/7X30, and Exynos. We also have some Tegra2 tablets in the pipeline such as the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and Asus Transformer. Our goal is to provide continued support to all CM7 devices back to the QSD8250 series of devices such as the Nexus One. I don’t want to make any promises at this time, but that is the plan. And sorry Droid1 owners, we’re dropping support for you. Time to upgrade.
What do you recommend if we have to keep our Droid1?!?
I have no philosophical problem with the Droid1 not having the latest and greatest CM ROM. I can get along without CM7 on the Droid1, since I will be going that way with my Droid Bionic "real soon now". (I'm kinda, sorta, used to this class of support, since I have about 6 Win XP/Pro boxes and a SBS 2003 server here on my SOHO network. All the current best boxes for me and my digital nerds are dual booted running top end Win7 and several flavors of Linux.
So, what is the last build that we should use, how long will it be supported and will security fixes be available?
Thanks,
/s/ BezantSoft
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And sorry Droid1 owners, we’re dropping support for you. Time to upgrade.
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And you plan to make this seem official... How? If the CyanogenMod developers actually said that, I might have a few unkind remarks about forced hardware upgrades to share.
For the record, I am not complaining about the lack of official CM9 support, the fact that ICS on the Droid1 would likely be a slow/buggy/needless upgrade, or anything along those lines.
What I might complain about is that the Droid1 is the most recent Android phone I would buy. Nothing newer has an unlocked bootloader, a better physical keyboard (well, minus the Nokia N900, but that's not without its issues either), a comparable screen, and the second-hand advantage: No carrier contract/spying or data plan required (Google Voice over WiFi FTW), cheaper than dirt for mobile software development, and wide availability (unlike certain Maemo/MeeGo phones).
Until a developer phone appears that meets my stingy requirements, I will continue using my Droid and experimenting with Linux software on it. I only wish that waiting for other people to do what I should be doing was easier, secure in my knowledge that someone else in the world cares about the same things I care about. What can I say, I'm lazy.
TL;DR: Telling people to upgrade when they don't have a choice is counterproductive IMHO.
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And you plan to make this seem official... How? If the CyanogenMod developers actually said that, I might have a few unkind remarks about forced hardware upgrades to share.
For the record, I am not complaining about the lack of official CM9 support, the fact that ICS on the Droid1 would likely be a slow/buggy/needless upgrade, or anything along those lines.
What I might complain about is that the Droid1 is the most recent Android phone I would buy. Nothing newer has an unlocked bootloader, a better physical keyboard (well, minus the Nokia N900, but that's not without its issues either), a comparable screen, and the second-hand advantage: No carrier contract/spying or data plan required (Google Voice over WiFi FTW), cheaper than dirt for mobile software development, and wide availability (unlike certain Maemo/MeeGo phones).
Until a developer phone appears that meets my stingy requirements, I will continue using my Droid and experimenting with Linux software on it. I only wish that waiting for other people to do what I should be doing was easier, secure in my knowledge that someone else in the world cares about the same things I care about. What can I say, I'm lazy.
TL;DR: Telling people to upgrade when they don't have a choice is counterproductive IMHO.
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That first post is a quote from the cm blog. So it is 100% true.
VISION 1.5Ghz
I think a kang will show up sooner or later. There are plenty of other interesting OMAP3 devices (Nook Color for one) which should get ports, and OMAP3 doesn't have to lose 60-100MB of RAM to the radio, so with compcache and good tuning 256MB might actually be enough.
It really depends on if OMAP3 HW accell can work fully under ICS. If the Nook Color runs well, so should the Droid...
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What I might complain about is that the Droid1 is the most recent Android phone I would buy. Nothing newer has an unlocked bootloader, a better physical keyboard (well, minus the Nokia N900, but that's not without its issues either), a comparable screen, and the second-hand advantage: No carrier contract/spying or data plan required (Google Voice over WiFi FTW), cheaper than dirt for mobile software development, and wide availability (unlike certain Maemo/MeeGo phones).
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so your complaint has nothing to do with software development, but with handset manufacturers. What does that have to do with CM saying they won't support what amounts to a 1st gen device?
TL;DR: Telling people to upgrade when they don't have a choice is counterproductive IMHO.
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but you do have a choice. either upgrade, or you're stuck with whatever they've already built.
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Well, someone'll port ics to this 3 year old POS i'm stuck with for another year.
I'd rather have a current os that doesn't run well than a outdated os that does.
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I'd rather have a current os that doesn't run well than a outdated os that does.
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Why????
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Having no money for a off-contract phone and not being able to upgrade for a year, I have to do something to keep my original droid usable for a year. I find knowing there's a major update available and not getting it due to hardware issues annoying when the g1 got it (even if it was a laggy mess, at least it's not 2.3), which impacts it being what I consider usable.
(Also, I don't want ics launcher. Beneath the veneer of modernity it's still that stale old gingerbread.)
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Having no money for a off-contract phone and not being able to upgrade for a year, I have to do something to keep my original droid usable for a year. I find knowing there's a major update available and not getting it due to hardware issues annoying when the g1 got it (even if it was a laggy mess, at least it's not 2.3), which impacts it being what I consider usable.
(Also, I don't want ics launcher. Beneath the veneer of modernity it's still that stale old gingerbread.)
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I'm in the same boat as you, I have no upgrade for a year. so i'm stuck with my D1. and i agree with your other statement a g1 can handle it yet no one is making an attempt in porting it to the D1 on top of that a 6 year old htc windows mobile phone has it with like 134mb of ram. and yet the droid still has no port whatsoever
I was reading in news about LG's new low end phone L40 which is going to be launched with kitkat version of android . Here is spec of L40 phone
the L40 has a 1.2 Ghz dual-core processor a smaller screen at 3.5-inches. It also has 4GB of internal storage, but RAM is lesser than the other two(L series phone) at 512 MB. The camera is only a 3-megapixel unit, while the battery size will vary according to markets. The two battery sizes are 1,700mAh and 1,540mAh.
And they are neglecting our P990 which has similar specifications. They should have upgraded our phone first to kitkat which was their flagship phone first.They can not say it doesn't have hardware to support it becoz they themselves are releasing kitkat on same hardware.
BTW wats the point of releasing L40 when they had already release same spec phone few years back ?
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BTW wats the point of releasing L40 when they had already release same spec phone few years back ?
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Money Money Money :thumbup:
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I was reading in news about LG's new low end phone L40 which is going to be launched with kitkat version of android . Here is spec of L40 phone
the L40 has a 1.2 Ghz dual-core processor a smaller screen at 3.5-inches. It also has 4GB of internal storage, but RAM is lesser than the other two(L series phone) at 512 MB. The camera is only a 3-megapixel unit, while the battery size will vary according to markets. The two battery sizes are 1,700mAh and 1,540mAh.
And they are neglecting our P990 which has similar specifications. They should have upgraded our phone first to kitkat which was their flagship phone first.They can not say it doesn't have hardware to support it becoz they themselves are releasing kitkat on same hardware.
BTW wats the point of releasing L40 when they had already release same spec phone few years back ?
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Would you buy it? I mean, seriously dude, it's about selling. They are going to make a few millions on that L40 just because it's brand new, has kitkat and has a screen size like older iPhones. If they would update the "unupdateable" Tegra2 powered, 2-3 years old 2X, then everyone would go around buying second-hand, used 2Xs for 40$ on eBay, instead of going for their new phone.
I'd rather say Google cheated everyone, because Android updates life cycle is too short. There is a bunch of "old" phones with very capable hardware to run KitKat 4.4 and phone manufacturers won't ever update them because they just don't have any legal obligation to do so, we only have to hope their "goodwill" to release drive sources, which isn't the case for our 2x since nVidia and LG don't give a %#@!.
It's kinda sad me to see how a very capable phone gets obsolete by force due the lack of system updates, and I'm not talking only about our O2x.
This also raises other important topic, such as about electronic waste, people are wasting their 2 year phone because they are stuck in Gingerbread limbo.
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I'd rather say Google cheated everyone, because Android updates life cycle is too short. There is a bunch of "old" phones with very capable hardware to run KitKat 4.4 and phone manufacturers won't ever update them because they just don't have any legal obligation to do so, we only have to hope their "goodwill" to release drive sources, which isn't the case for our 2x since nVidia and LG don't give a %#@!.
It's kinda sad me to see how a very capable phone gets obsolete by force due the lack of system updates, and I'm not talking only about our O2x.
This also raises other important topic, such as about electronic waste, people are wasting their 2 year phone because they are stuck in Gingerbread limbo.
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+1, i think the best manufacturer were we can go is sony?? :noidea:
as i can see today sony is the only manufacturer that providing at least the sources for old phones?
I think it's worse that they wont give out all the code needed to optimize and improve the Tegra2 cores for O2X than updating it themselves.
(since they obviously aren't very good at it)
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Would you buy it? I mean, seriously dude, it's about selling. They are going to make a few millions on that L40 just because it's brand new, has kitkat and has a screen size like older iPhones. If they would update the "unupdateable" Tegra2 powered, 2-3 years old 2X, then everyone would go around buying second-hand, used 2Xs for 40$ on eBay, instead of going for their new phone.
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Well they could at least give out a stable ics ota
The official ics update is crap as hell totally unusable, i would have sold this phone but thanks to the wonderful devs of this community I'm still using it ?
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I was reading in news about LG's new low end phone L40 which is going to be launched with kitkat version of android . Here is spec of L40 phone
the L40 has a 1.2 Ghz dual-core processor a smaller screen at 3.5-inches. It also has 4GB of internal storage, but RAM is lesser than the other two(L series phone) at 512 MB. The camera is only a 3-megapixel unit, while the battery size will vary according to markets. The two battery sizes are 1,700mAh and 1,540mAh.
And they are neglecting our P990 which has similar specifications. They should have upgraded our phone first to kitkat which was their flagship phone first.They can not say it doesn't have hardware to support it becoz they themselves are releasing kitkat on same hardware.
BTW wats the point of releasing L40 when they had already release same spec phone few years back ?
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That L40 is dumb but no doubt like the L3 it will be a great kids phone.
But our P990 will not get love from LG mine is 2 years old now and it was the last of them to be seen here in New Zealand, most people will break or loose the phone by now why develop for such a small audeince, dont forget our phone only have about 384mb of ram and they do not support NEON instuction either it was meant to be over at 4.2 but TonyP and pengus got us a bit further.
Even if you look at the specs i dont think the L90 would be a good replacement for the P990 mainly because of the price im guessing it will be more than the Nexus 5 which cost now the same amount as the P990 cost me two years ago.
The only thing I guess which create prob in devlopment of official kk is tegra 2.
I do have a 4x and lg has stated that 4x wont get any any further update cause it has tegra 3 and is stuck at jellybean forever!
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nvidia drivers are closed source and they do not update the drivers any more - and the tegra2 does not even support neon-instructions - thats why LG stopped developing
and because the phone now really is too old - i mean, a 3 year old smartphone is already a dinosaur, what other company still develops updates for such old phones?
my next phone will definitely have NO nvidia chip in it, and will be manufactured by sony because of their full open source approach.
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The only thing I guess which create prob in devlopment of official kk is tegra 2.
I do have a 4x and lg has stated that 4x wont get any any further update cause it has tegra 3 and is stuck at jellybean forever!
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i bought O2x to my girlfriend last summer,and that was BIG mistake, she need phone,fast,and...luckily we have our developers that make awesome stuff but still, and than i bought to my self O4x, another mistake...i think that that is last tegra device i EVER buy,this is just unforgivable, devices with a lot potential don't receive updates that they deserve ,i won't put so much blame on lg, because htc one x even won't receive kitkat, because of nvidia(nvidia shame on you,you better stay away from smartphone scene,just make people angry) ...except if K1 go open source,than maybe can be an option for buying,but after that i doubt....almost dead in my book,just sad
akash.mahadeshwar said:
The only thing I guess which create prob in devlopment of official kk is tegra 2.
I do have a 4x and lg has stated that 4x wont get any any further update cause it has tegra 3 and is stuck at jellybean forever!
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In a nutshell, LG + nVIDIA = terrible mistake, total disaster for android.
This is probably the worst combination in android world. LG for its extremely slow system updates schedules and nVIDIA for dropping the support for past SoCs too soon and won't even bother releasing proper documentation or blobs for futher development.
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In a nutshell, LG + nVIDIA = terrible mistake, total disaster for android.
This is probably the worst combination in android world. LG for its extremely slow system updates schedules and nVIDIA for dropping the support for past SoCs too soon and won't even bother releasing proper documentation or blobs for futher development.
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well the annoying thing is that they both are the best companies. LG and nVidia did the gratest things, LG invented the first dual-core phone (our O2X) and the first 4K TV, nvidia invented first 3D Vision on PC's and so on..... They are grate companies but when it comes to who gives less f***ks LG and nVidia are the first :laugh: and they are terrible at software developing. :crying:
Agreed, I have owned my last nvvidia phone.
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The only direct responsible for this situation is nVidia. Those who were in active in this forum the last couple of years know perfectly well how it all went down and, even though it was LG the one who should push updates for the o2x, its always been nVidia that obstructed development efforts due to its notorious closed-source policy. In the end of the day, its perfectly understandable for a company to stop supporting a 3-year old device, considering the silly pace in which mobile tech evolves. Keep in mind that the o2x hasnt been the worst of examples in this area. Even though it still holds the record for longest update holdout (16 months to go from Android 2.2 to 2.3 - even mentioned in Wikipedia) it has seen 2 major OS updates: 2.2 to 2.3 to 4.0. Direct competition doesn't differ too much in this sense (SGS 2.3 to 4.0.4 to 4.1, HTC Thunderbolt 2.2 to 2.3 to 4.0) with some 'flagships' that year seeing much less (see Droid Bionic). We should really be grateful that some amazing devs happened to join this forum and dedicated lots of time and knowledge to maintain this phone and get it where it is right now. It's been some time that i dont use my o2x (passed it on to my gf - still runs great) and moved to an iP4s due to Google's frustrating incapability to write a decent low latency audio API (Apple is the undisputed king there). So even though im not planning to move back to Android before this embarrassing situation is resolved, Im absolutely convinced that ill never, ever buy an nVidia powered phone again, no matter what they come up with. So yes, once more: nVidia, F**k You!
oh no
Not only lg even htc ndivia powered device such htc one x didnt get kitkat update, they have twice power engine than o2x. I think owner of htc one x cry louder than us thanx to nvidia :crying:
This isn't the first time that LG cheats his users.
Just remember the Optimus 3D updates...
Listen to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g
Linus Torvals complained about Nvidia because of the lack of their support for Linux and Android. I think it was a good opinion that he said what he thinks about that company. For computers, AMD and ATI have a great support for Linux, which is really nice. Too bad I noticed too late what a fault it was to buy an Nvidia pc, too.
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my next phone will definitely have NO nvidia chip in it, and will be manufactured by sony because of their full open source approach.
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Does that mean that you'll get a lot of more or less bug free custom ROMs for them? I'm looking forward to buy a phone which will have better custom ROM support in the future without all those nasty bugs which are related to closed source drivers and hidden hardware information like with this phine (camera bug in 4.4, bluetooth call bugs, gps fix problems caused by software). I am really tired because of all that. I never found any very smooth ROM without all those problems.
cRaZy-bisCuiT said:
Does that mean that you'll get a lot of more or less bug free custom ROMs for them? I'm looking forward to buy a phone which will have better custom ROM support in the future without all those nasty bugs which are related to closed source drivers and hidden hardware information like with this phine (camera bug in 4.4, bluetooth call bugs, gps fix problems caused by software). I am really tired because of all that. I never found any very smooth ROM without all those problems.
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every manufacturer unfortunately has some closed source parts, some more, some less, but some can't be avoided - but yes, sony has the best open source approach and therefore the best custom rom base
If it's possible to get kitkat on our device with dalvik run time, please someone port it.
I hate lollipop. why? almost all the apps on the play store aren't optimized for ART/lollipop.
It's just pain to see my new nexus 6 stutters on apps that can run on my old 5S smoothly
No it is not possible. Someone can't just port Kit Kat because there are a lack of drivers and binaries for it.
Apps will just have to get to the times and update to make it more optimized for Lollipop, or get "better" or more frequently updated apps to follow with the times.
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No it is not possible. Someone can't just port Kit Kat because there are a lack of drivers and binaries for it.
Apps will just have to get to the times and update to make it more optimized for Lollipop, or get "better" or more frequently updated apps to follow with the times.
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That is actually quite a silly statement.
It actually would NOT be all that much work to build 4.4 for this hardware.
For one, all of the blobs needed can be pulled from Droid_turbo / Moto_maxx. They are basically the same hardware, and ship with 4.4.
Second, qualcomm supports the apq8084 platform on 4.4 directly. I have a liquid 8084 tablet with 4.4 on my desk right next to me right now.
Having said that... I'm not going to build 4.4, because it is pointless.
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I hate lollipop. why? almost all the apps on the play store aren't optimized for ART/lollipop.
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What exactly do you mean by "aren't optimized"??? As a developer, I have to say that this statement is completely meaningless. There is nothing special that need be done from a software developer point of view to take account for ART, as long as you aren't doing weird and unsupported hacks (which very very very few people actually do).
It's just pain to see my new nexus 6 stutters on apps that can run on my old 5S smoothly
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What do you mean by "stutters"? Is there heavy I/O happening when it is "stuttering"? Do you realize the serious impact that forced encryption has on the device's I/O and CPU performance? Do you realize that the display on N6 has nearly TWICE as many pixels as your "old" S5? That means that it is GOING to take a lot more to keep things fluid on N6 than S5. Something that will be helped when software starts to take advantage of the newer OpenGL available on 5.0. NONE of this will be improved by downgrading to 4.4. In fact, because 4.4 will NOT be taking advantage of the newer OpenGL, doing this downgrade will make certain, even after software starts to make use of it, that you WON'T be able to benefit from it.
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That is actually quite a silly statement.
It actually would NOT be all that much work to build 4.4 for this hardware.
For one, all of the blobs needed can be pulled from Droid_turbo / Moto_maxx. They are basically the same hardware, and ship with 4.4.
Second, qualcomm supports the apq8084 platform on 4.4 directly. I have a liquid 8084 tablet with 4.4 on my desk right next to me right now
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If it's not that much work then why you don't do it and prove me wrong? You'd need proprietary vendors, drivers for 4.4 and not to mention you'd need a backward port of dalvik.
Just because they share similar hardware doesn't mean you can just pull blobs from another phone with similar hardware specifications from the same manufacturer then hope that it works because development doesn't work that way
Even if it was possible no one would do it because its a step backwards and it would be a dirty hack.
i would have chimed in a while ago, but for certain reasons i didnt. normally, id say that it wont happen, since there arent any binaries for kitkat and the nexus 6. but guess what, there are! they arent anywhere where the public has access to them, but they do exist. as google had kitkat on the n6 before lollipop. and a very few people have even gotten their n6 with kitkat(when they just selling the n6). so, in the future, we might be able to see a kitkat build on our n6
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If it's not that much work then why you don't do it and prove me wrong? You'd need proprietary vendors, drivers for 4.4 and not to mention you'd need a backward port of dalvik.
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I'm not going to, because it is a waste of time and I have no interest in having a **** measuring contest with some random person on the internet.
Just because they share similar hardware doesn't mean you can just pull blobs from another phone with similar hardware specifications from the same manufacturer then hope that it works because development doesn't work that way
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That's hilarious. Especially since hardware wise, the only real difference between those phones I mentioned and Nexus 6 is the screen size. In fact, we know for a fact that those two devices very nearly WERE stamped "shamu" and sent out AS Nexus 6. Something happened between Google and Verizon that decided what size went under whose label. Also, you should see all the Sony blobs I used on my Samsung phone... also a bunch from LG.
But just to make things even more interesting, on what grounds do you claim that Android 4.4 won't run on blobs from 5.0? That same Samsung phone I referred to above running on Sony and LG blobs... is running 5.0 on such mishmash of blobs pulled out from 4.[0-4]. And perfectly happily at that. Blobs DO NOT HAVE an intrinsic "works with Android version X and nothing else" stamped on them.
Even if it was possible no one would do it because its a step backwards and it would be a dirty hack.
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THAT is essentially what I am saying. Not the "even if" (because it *IS* possible), or the dirty hack part, because though it may make you FEEL dirty to downgrade, it wouldn't actually be a hack. I'm saying that nobody WILL do it, because it is pointless and backwards.
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If it's possible to get kitkat on our device with dalvik run time, please someone port it.
I hate lollipop. why? almost all the apps on the play store aren't optimized for ART/lollipop.
It's just pain to see my new nexus 6 stutters on apps that can run on my old 5S smoothly
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This phone would have been awesome on Kitkat. I also do not like Lollipop. It burns the eyes and there are too many bugs. I don't think anyone is going to go to the trouble though.
Evo_Shift said:
This phone would have been awesome on Kitkat. I also do not like Lollipop. It burns the eyes and there are too many bugs. I don't think anyone is going to go to the trouble though.
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As far as bugs go, its no different than any previous version. They patched a bunch of bugs that were there before, and added a few new ones. I wonder though, what bugs you think you've spotted? List them, and tell me why you believe that they are bugs...
Just port android 1.5 cupcake and call it a day lol
md1008 said:
Just port android 1.5 cupcake and call it a day lol
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haha, lol. Now that... might actually not be possible.
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haha, lol. Now that... might actually not be possible.
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Time to do a change petition from google to make official cupcake ROM lol
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If it's not that much work then why you don't do it and prove me wrong? You'd need proprietary vendors, drivers for 4.4 and not to mention you'd need a backward port of dalvik.
Just because they share similar hardware doesn't mean you can just pull blobs from another phone with similar hardware specifications from the same manufacturer then hope that it works because development doesn't work that way
Even if it was possible no one would do it because its a step backwards and it would be a dirty hack.
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I am gonna go ahead and just attach it to your post. There is a port being worked on as I post this, yes there are people who want kit kat on the phone and there are other reasons than running cm, aosp or stock. Enough said and more will be revealed in the nexus 6 forums hopefully within the next week we will see how bad it really gets
fun..
to bad kitkat will not work on the n6 without drivers for kitkat. unless its a lollipop rom thats just themed like kitkat.
simms22 said:
fun..
to bad kitkat will not work on the n6 without drivers for kitkat. unless its a lollipop rom thats just themed like kitkat.
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You may be right and I might be wasting time. Something to do though
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You may be right and I might be wasting time. Something to do though
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i actually think you should keep trying, seriously. maybe it is possible to modify the lollipop drivers for kitkat, or modify the n5 drivers for kitkat for the n6. anyways, it woukd be neat to try kitkat on the n6
I thought the Nexus theory was to have the latest and greatest and never look back. Time would be better utilized squashing bugs in M.
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I thought the Nexus theory was to have the latest and greatest and never look back. Time would be better utilized squashing bugs in M.
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it is.. but we also cant forget about nostalgia D
my n5 died this week, after flashing m, seriously. andvi found my old sgs4 that hasnt been powered on in nearly 2 years, its running android 4.3
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it is.. but we also cant forget about nostalgia D
my n5 died this week, after flashing m, seriously. andvi found my old sgs4 that hasnt been powered on in nearly 2 years, its running android 4.3
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My son got robbed of his S6 by knifepoint. Ran my S3 4.3 for a couple days. Verizon Samsung on ATT not a beautiful experience. Lol Ran an old HTC Inspire on 2.3 Ginger for a week or so. Sister gave him Note 3 so he back to Lolli now.
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My son got robbed of his S6 by knifepoint. Ran my S3 4.3 for a couple days. Verizon Samsung on ATT not a beautiful experience. Lol Ran an old HTC Inspire on 2.3 Ginger for a week or so. Sister gave him Note 3 so he back to Lolli now.
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i actually rooted it and flashed safeline recovery, first time ever! lol. i used kingsroot, a one click app to root. its a verizon phone, so i cant ever use it on a provider. but makes good calls over hangouts
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i actually rooted it and flashed safeline recovery, first time ever! lol. its a verizon phone, so i cant ever use it on a provider. but makes good calls over hangouts
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Why can't use it on provider. He has used Verizon Rezound on TMO and S3 on ATT. Not perfect but they work. He bad about breaking **** and never buys insurance.