Gunna make it nice and sweet
Pros
Screen beautiful
speed
ceramic buttons
Design
thin/light
cons
terrible battery, so wish it was better
camera hit and miss, expected better
back plastic is'nt the best feeling feels cheap
on white version the speaker phone is white on the front making it look stupid black then white there
4.4 kitkat is all google now 3 ways to access it (really) why so many irritating
first impressions is if you have it keep it, if your on the edge i would go with another phone tbh the s4 or something bit dissapointed 70 quid more then my last year nexus and not worth the warrant of the increase
Going to give my feedback nice and sweet.
Terrible Review. I learned a lot.
op is an idiot. moving along
Thanks for your initial impressions.
The battery should improve after a few more cycles, so give it some time. Others have reported good initial battery performance, which is interesting.
Early shots taken with the N5 looked really sharp and fairly comparable to the iPhone 5s. Can you elaborate where it fell short of expectations?
If the back plastic is anything like the N7, I think the feel of it is really nice and comfortable. Frankly it's a probably a better choice than having a glass back and is also part of the reason why it's so light. I don't mind this =)
OP needs a lesson on how to write reviews
Yeah. That.
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Yeah. That.
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How people test out battery life early on is beyond me....
It takes a full week for battery to adjust in my experience (and many times it gets WAY better in that week span).
With a review like this you should have just piggy backed off of someone elses thread.
I really hope the battery isn't terrible since coming from my Note 2 I got spoiled.
- Oh the beating the OP will endure until the ref jumps in and stops it
10/10 Best Review ever. :good:
I wish we could down vote a thread.
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I wish we could down vote a thread.
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You can, you can give it 1 star up towards the top where it says rate.
just report the thread to the mods, which i did, thats like downvoting, if it doesn't get deleted then maybe a mod will merge it into one of the other threads
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Good thing you can
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Too many rookies coming to nexus these days google just don't release until they pass nexus test
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Typical fanboyism. Someone doesn't like a device everyone lines up to flame him.
Let's be frank, the N5 will fall short on all comparison reviews to all current flagship.
Just get over that fact.
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i am fine with his "review" but sorry for such an small review, i think we can agree that it isn't even a review, i am fine when it gets merged into a thread
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Typical fanboyism. Someone doesn't like a device everyone lines up to flame him.
Let's be frank, the N5 will fall short on all comparison reviews to all current flagship.
Just get over that fact.
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Typical fanboyism. Someone doesn't like a device everyone lines up to flame him.
Let's be frank, the N5 will fall short on all comparison reviews to all current flagship.
Just get over that fact.
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No.
We're not ribbing on the OP because we disagree with him.
We're just giving him **** because we're sick and tired of seeing stupid posts like these on the forums.
This is also not a matter of elitism or ganging up on newer members.
Anybody can write a generic, two-bit review like this one.
If you're going to post a review, have some substance and be scientific about it.
Tell us what you did on your device, what apps you have on. Don't just write oh battery sucks.
Most people just have the common courtesy to keep it in an existing thread so we don't have to see a hundred of these type of these "new posts" everyday.
The next thing you know, somebody is going to write oh the nexus 5 has such **** terrible voice quality - oh I forgot to mention I called from a dead zone in the middle of nowhere.
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Hey hey hey, let's respect each others opinion. This is not The Verge forum.
Verge said camera software is bad all brainwashed ppl think it's bad
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My review for the day one:
Positives:
-great design and shape
-screen and natural colours
-love the white "plastic" material, rather feels like ceramic tile of some sort, not plastic. great build
-speedy and responsive
Negatives:
-battery is main concern, didnt last me from 9 am to 6pm with moderate usage
-slow charging
-kitkat lacking in features and settings
-context menu missing on some apps
-3 main screen buttons (on the bottom of the screen) still taking valuable space
Will give it a go a bit longer, not making any rush decisions
Related
http://www.examiner.com/article/google-nexus-7-doesn-t-make-case-for-anroid-tablet
I read it earlier. Seems like a horrible review from an Apple fanboi.
I stopped reading about three sentences in when this "journalist" referred to it as the Galaxy 7.
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holy bias batmam!
This guy isn't a real journalist thankfully. He's a Grade-A dumbass though, stating flat out that the 'iPad Mini' is coming out in October. He has no credibility and this poorly-written article reflects that. Guess that's why he's stuck writing **** for examiner.
His "review" is basically the exact opposite of what literally everyone else is saying.
Where do they find their writers?
Lol he said Jelly bean is clunky... then tells us to wait for the Ipad mini. Smh lol.
You can tell its a fanboy article also from the viewing angle comment. I never once had a crowd of people around me going man "only if your tablet had a 85 degree viewing angle". Simple case of haters gonna hate
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The Nexus 7 includes a 1.2MP front-facing camera. However, there is one main issue—there are currently no apps to take advantage of the camera.
Whaaaat? Did something happen to Hangouts, Google Talk Video Chat, Skype, and every other video chat app? And the plain old camera app can use the front camera can't it? Face unlock.......
What a deluded fellow we have here!
person is probably referring to stock without any added apps
but of course, probably wants to be spoon-fed a camera app
Obviously he doesn't like it, which is fine. But besides the tone which seems dismissive its also just poorly written. It's like a bad forum post. In closing, I wish I didn't encourage this crappy publication by clicking your linkbait
This is the typical iSheep review of any Android device, no matter how good it really is. Even the pictures he took / published are slightly out of focus to add a bit more drama to his pathetic article.
Oh well...
I have to disagree with everything he said apart from the lack of a SD card reader and that the home screen doesn't rotate
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How are these people allowed to write such "drivel" (could use more colourful language but i'd be banned)....the nexus 7 specs outperform 90% of android tablets out there yet this imbecile is saying "if people did 10 minutes of homework they'd find the samsung galaxy tab 7 is better"......wow.
Not to mention in his first 3 lines he says "Google's new tablet has a less than spectacular screen, a clunky operating system and a lack of storage options" unless your fingers are concrete without any feeling of how to use an operating system then maybe, otherwise the rest of your review is doomed
Guys hiring this lunatic...take a look at the verge, unbiased and solely focusing on the product and not the competition.
iPAD mini??? there's only rumors and not an announcement unless you suddenly became a spokesperson for Apple, that said you wouldn't be reviewing this tablet and we wouldn't have to read your jibberish you looney
The examiner is pretty much worthless because most of their writers are hired online with very little vetting and (if I remember correctly, but I'm not 100% sure) they get paid per view. I have a friend who writes for them (political articles). Nice person, but she majored in music education and can't write a cohesive sentence to save her life.
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clunky?
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It's a shame there's no comment section for feedback on that dude. Awful writing, terrible bias, and a clear lack of understanding of how to operate an Android tablet.
Bottom line, there's a reason Apple puts a wall around their garden... not only to keep the outside world out, but to keep their fanbois in. He'll be much better off feeling happy when Apple tells him to.
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It's a shame there's no comment section for feedback on that dude. Awful writing, terrible bias, and a clear lack of understanding of how to operate an Android tablet.
Bottom line, there's a reason Apple puts a wall around their garden... not only to keep the outside world out, but to keep their fanbois in. He'll be much better off feeling happy when Apple tells him to.
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on 90% of modern blogs and CMS packages, you can choose whether you'd like a comments section. This troll clearly didn't want his beliefs questioned.
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I read it earlier. Seems like a horrible review from an Apple fanboi.
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Fact that guy is retarded I couldn't believe that he trashed it so hard and it's blatantly obvious he loves Apple.
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on 90% of modern blogs and CMS packages, you can choose whether you'd like a comments section. This troll clearly didn't want his beliefs questioned.
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I read this yesterday, and there was a comments section. The comments weren't going his way.
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Well, since the marketplace got closed, I have no where else that I can think of to post this. I'm not actually selling anything—yet.
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I'm not selling a phone or a tablet or anything like that. I'm just wondering: If I started making a bunch of these, would there be a market? I made them for my girlfriend for various holidays (I made her the Jellybean one for Valentine's Day, actually) and I'm wondering if I should start making more and selling them.
I have no where else that I can think of to ask this. If it is indeed wrong to post here, feel free to post various spiderman memes and such.
What are these made of? If they are of something durable, then I would definitely them.
The little jelly bean one is kinda cool. little rough around the edges though. clean it up a bit, and i'll buy one.
Shrinky Thinks?
If you can think it, you can shrink it.
Froyo gets no love?
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Well, since the marketplace got closed, I have no where else that I can think of to post this. I'm not actually selling anything—yet.
I'm not selling a phone or a tablet or anything like that. I'm just wondering: If I started making a bunch of these, would there be a market? I made them for my girlfriend for various holidays (I made her the Jellybean one for Valentine's Day, actually) and I'm wondering if I should start making more and selling them.
I have no where else that I can think of to ask this. If it is indeed wrong to post here, feel free to post various spiderman memes and such.
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As TheSkinnyDrummer said, it needs a bit of cleaning up. If that's done and has a great polish to it, it'll sell well. My friends and I are at a constant search for Android themed items
I want it
Depends how much and if it's durable. I've got a couple of key tags that aren't from a store, but are just cool lil trinkets.
Wow, so there is some interest!
They are, indeed, made from Shrink Plastic. They're pretty durable, coated on the front with a thick layer of plastic and on the back with an acrylic spray. I can't really see one getting broken, unless you were really trying intention.
And yeah, these were a little rough around the edges because I made them quickly, the night before I was supposed to give them to her. Not the best planner. The one's that I'd sell would be much neater.
What would you guys be willing to pay? $5-7? More, less?
I'd be willing to pay a couple bucks. But it always seems that things like this that are small and cool are much more than that.
May we see some more pics from the sides.. It looks pretty cool
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At most, I would spend $6 depending on the size.
Odp: Would you buy this?
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Wow, so there is some interest!
They are, indeed, made from Shrink Plastic. They're pretty durable, coated on the front with a thick layer of plastic and on the back with an acrylic spray. I can't really see one getting broken, unless you were really trying intention.
And yeah, these were a little rough around the edges because I made them quickly, the night before I was supposed to give them to her. Not the best planner. The one's that I'd sell would be much neater.
What would you guys be willing to pay? $5-7? More, less?
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Some qustions:
How much money for these awesome things?
Can they be sent to Europe?
And.. SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY
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Earrings?
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If these could be send to Europe I think I would be interested (at a reasonable price ofcourse)
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I'll make some more tomorrow and take more pictures. Where would I sell them? Etsy?
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I'd buy as well. I subscribed to this thread
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Hmmm. This could be the start of a giant business. Earrings, bracelets, necklaces, sharpeners, the thing you hang from the phone, maybe even earphone covers! Awesome stuff xD
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So...?
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Call me crazy and old fashion but I smell a market study in the making. Thread closed as you've received plenty of advice and critique mate.
Do not re-open please.
Cheers,
M_T_M
Hey all, this isn't a mind blowing tip, it's just something easily overlooked. Forgive me if it's been covered but i could not find it.
When taking photos with flash I found under my tungsten light source that everything had a blue tint to it.
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This I found results from the phone incorrectly detecting the white balance.
It is easily fixed by pressing the picture button and holding it while your phone focuses and measures the shot. Then a second later release it and the results are a marked difference.
To those using any camera with a half and full press button this isn't a large surprise but with the trend to simple tap on smartphones I find this easily overlooked.
Thanks
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Here you go my friend its been discussed long time ago and also its kind of obvious well at least for me:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2176601
Hope you will find more tips in existing thread.
I actually think there's existing almost every thread for anything that you can think of
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Please post something other than your dogs testicles next time
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Here you go my friend its been discussed long time ago and also its kind of obvious well at least for me:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2176601
Hope you will find more tips in existing thread.
I actually think there's existing almost every thread for anything that you can think of
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II know its sad i arrived rather late to the show. Playing catch up on such an active device forum is madness
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Please post something other than your dogs testicles next time
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If he would be so kind as to show me something besides his testicles next time
How intriguing to see a picture of your dog's bullocks, first thing in the morning.
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Lol i dunno if i should take this tip seriously ?? its useful though.
I will have to give this a try. Thanks for the heads up.
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Hey all, this isn't a mind blowing tip, it's just something easily overlooked. Forgive me if it's been covered but i could not find it.
When taking photos with flash I found under my tungsten light source that everything had a blue tint to it.
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This I found results from the phone incorrectly detecting the white balance.
It is easily fixed by pressing the picture button and holding it while your phone focuses and measures the shot. Then a second later release it and the results are a marked difference.
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To those using any camera with a half and full press button this isn't a large surprise but with the trend to simple tap on smartphones I find this easily overlooked.
Thanks
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First of cute dog, and this is news to me just got a N4 loving it. Also, what kinda pit is that? He looks adorable I have a mastiff/american pit mix, but bigger testies lol.
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First of cute dog, and this is news to me just got a N4 loving it. Also, what kinda pit is that? He looks adorable I have a mastiff/american pit mix, but bigger testies lol.
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He's a street dog. Someone found him as a pup in the rain and put him online. He's pretty mixed as a breed but has some hound in him. And much smaller than a mastiff :cyclops:
I didnt know about the hold focus either. I felt it wasnt obvious because the N4 unlike htc's and iphones doesnt do an instant photo. it does the shenanigan of focusing with the ring and all the jazz so one would assume it would measure its white balance then. Anyway you live and you learn
I will have to give this a try. Thanks for the heads up.
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He's a street dog. Someone found him as a pup in the rain and put him online. He's pretty mixed as a breed but has some hound in him. And much smaller than a mastiff :cyclops:
I didnt know about the hold focus either. I felt it wasnt obvious because the N4 unlike htc's and iphones doesnt do an instant photo. it does the shenanigan of focusing with the ring and all the jazz so one would assume it would measure its white balance then. Anyway you live and you learn
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Oh just like the video says I am a total noob when it comes to android phones. I have always had iPhones from the first one to 5, and after it broke I thought I mix it up and got a lumia 920 (terrible experience I had no clue what I was doing) and that bought the Nexus 4. I got to say there is a whole lot of little tricks such as this which is great, so thanks again for posting.
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Oh just like the video says I am a total noob when it comes to android phones. I have always had iPhones from the first one to 5, and after it broke I thought I mix it up and got a lumia 920 (terrible experience I had no clue what I was doing) and that bought the Nexus 4. I got to say there is a whole lot of little tricks such as this which is great, so thanks again for posting.
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Welcome to the droid community. Once you get sucked in its hard to go back. I try using the i5 now and then. The lack of a back button and my app settings within a separate settings app really bug me.
The Nexus 5 looks big in pictures but is actually smaller than my galaxy s4 with a very thin case on the G4. And the Nexus doesn't need a case because the back is is rubbery and grippy, beautiful! Also, it feels absolutely premium in terms of build quality and materials.
The screen is brilliant, bar none the best I've ever seen. And better than my iPhone 5.
The camera shutter sound is very subtle, in fact I'll keep it on
The navigation keys are a lot closer so it's a lot easier to use one handed.
Speaker phone is awesome: loud and clear.
Needless to say the phone overall is as fast as all hell.
Nexus 5 screen is vastly easier to read in direct sunlight
Where does the Galaxy s4 beat the Nexus? So far all I've found is the speaker volume, which seems to be a little low when playing videos. That and the replaceable battery and memory card slot.
Its my first day with the Nexus 5, and so far, so good.
Just thought I'd give a little feedback for those of you who are on the fence about switching. I have both at the moment, but my S4 may soon be on Craigslist.
Hows the camera
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I've only taken a hand full of photos, but so far the camera looks very good. Plenty of detail and great white balance.
I've been considering switching as well - but there's a few things that keep me on the fence. The S4 has AMOLED (which I prefer to IPS, but subjective) and removable battery/microsd. And the battery is larger on the S4.
But as the other user asked, how is the camera? Apparently it's not as good due to flawed software, but there IS image stabilization. Hmm...
When you put the Nexus 5 next to the galaxy s4 with both at full brightness , the Galaxy looks muted, fuzzy, dim. Take your phone to a Best Buy or Sprint store and have a look for yourself.
And here is one of my first few snapshots.
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Was thinking about switching myself, but I've heard mixed things about the camera. I'd have to test it myself in person before I could make a decision
I used to get all anal about about the cameras too until I realize that all I ever use the snaps for is Facebook. I have real cameras for when I get serious.
Good to know.
I recieve mine tomorrow. It's been real S4 gang. Great community here and I'm hoping the Nexus 5 community is as wonderful!
There's already a thread for other devices discussion.
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Perhaps you got a lucky phone or your just so happy to get a new phone you look past the defects but according to this thread and what ive been reading over in the nexus forums i dont think theres ever been a phone thats had this many problems out the box. If i was LG i would seriously be concerned bc i think there gona be seeing thousands of units returned
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2509455
I just glanced at that thread and looks for the most part like people being super anal about non issues. But hey, if you get a bad one, send it back. Right?
meh...I was really into the phone at first and was considering selling my S4, but after reading a bunch of reviews and people's opinions on it...it seems meh and I'll just stick with the S4 for now. Went to the Nexus forums and nothing but fanboys in there jumping on anybody that says anything bad about the phone and trying to defend their purchase.
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Went to the Nexus forums and nothing but fanboys in there jumping on anybody that says anything bad about the phone and trying to defend their purchase.
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Ha ha, that's the way it goes, right?
Anyway, here are a few more shots from the camera, and then I am off this topic. Good luck everyone.
And here are the few more snaps I shot with the Nexus.
The saturation is a bit over the top at default settings, but otherwise they look good to me.
I was thinking of selling my S4 for the nexus..until I seen a smaller battery. Specs mean nothing if it doesn't turn on.
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Time will tell about the battery life. Some have said it's so so, and others have said it last for days between charges.
I might get the nexus. But with the wobbly buttons. Non removable battery and no Sim slot. Plus dead pixels and light leakage among other problems that's kind of scary for a phone that's just been release
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There is a sticky thread for other device discussions
Galaxy S5 has leaked today, a few hours from the UNPACKED event. This will give you an idea of what to expect at the event today.
Not much has changed from S4 in terms of design though, which is a disappointment. And it still looks like it's made out of some type of plastic and not even faux leather!
The UI is a little bit different and is much flatter.
The camera is 16MP. It is yet to be seen if it's the ISOCELL tech. Also, UHD recording is present.
According to calculations done by somebody, the battery is 2800 MAh, and it looks just the same as the one on the Galaxy Round.
There is also a Fingerprint scanner on-board, possibly only a Swipe type which is located on the home button.
Menu key has been replaced with multitask key and there is a weird sensor near the camera flash (iris scanner probably). EDIT: It is a Heart Rate Monitor
Check these out:
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COMPARISON WITH S4:
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CLOSE UP:
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More Comparisons:
Here are some Vines: https://vine.co/v/MmIKp0w1Alm - BLUE VERSION
https://vine.co/v/MmIZdL2Jn3j - Lock screen animation
*These pictures were not taken by me.
If this is true, I am disappointed
That dotted back design is weird
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If this is true, I am disappointed
That dotted back design is weird
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It is disappointing to me too. I expected a radically changed design this time around.
It looks worse than Hyperglaze or Faux leather. And the white one looks like Styrofoam.
But maybe there will be a premium "Prime" version too. There are leaks about such a possibility.
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It is disappointing to me too. I expected a radically changed design this time around.
It looks worse than Hyperglaze or Faux leather. And the white one looks like Styrofoam.
But maybe there will be a premium "Prime" version too. There are leaks about such a possibility.
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Hoping for the same dude. 8 hr 30 mins to go anyways
Hahahahahahaha...
It's getting worse from generation to generation. The charade to be something premium know looks really really cheap.
What do we say to the Galaxy S5? - Not this time Samsung...
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Hahahahahahaha...
It's getting worse from generation to generation. The charade to be something premium know looks really really cheap.
What do we say to the Galaxy S5? - Not this time Samsung...
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They seem to be just throwing in a good SoC, Camera, display and bloatware and not bothering about the build quality!
I stuck with my phone (iPhone 4) since 2010. I really want a new device an I'm waiting for every press event from Samsung, Sony, Apple and others. But the leaked pictures are very disappointing. Again...
My preference is for the Note 3
That design team needs to be fired ASAP. I hope the press this time criticizes negatively Samsung with no mercy.
Ewwwww
Looks like a cheap bath mat you get in a hotel
Seriously ._. That's what it looks like ._. This is where I go hahaha Samsung you piece of crap with Knox and terrible ui lol can they not find ANY better styling!?!?!
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Samsung need to hire that Duarte guy from Google. His designs using budget material and costs are amazing. With Samsung's pockets and resources he could design something that would beat an iPhone or HTC in beauty and also have personality, while starting a new design language for future samsung devices.
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For me is good.. I'm looking for hardware improvments - design is last thing I will borther with..
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I'm a hardcore samsung fan, but this is ugly AF. Glad I got the Note 3 and didn't wait for this.
Why does the model says gt 00000
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This is one ugly ass phone, even though I'd stick it in a cover I would not be happy buying that phone. Was going to go from my sg3 to this but scratch that, next months HTC is what I'm looking at now.
How hard is it to look at a design or a prototype and see that it looks awful and start again?
chickengrease said:
How hard is it to look at a design or a prototype and see that it looks awful and start again?
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this is a question that will never be answered. Some car designs for example are absolutely awful - who comes up with the designs and the fact they actually get mass produced is beyond me.
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That's a hell of an ugly phone
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More of the same. Feels like im reliving the Apple's Keynote Iphone announcements.
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Jiyeon90 said:
That's a hell of an ugly phone
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Lets just hope thats the "Standard" version and not the "Premium"
If there is any