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For a Tegra 3 based tablet the Camera App performance is garbage.

Now, lets just forget the fact that this is a flagship Nexus device for Google, who have top engineers and programers working day and night on the Nexus 7. Some how they deliberately left out a camera app. Now I won't even go into the quality because at 1.3 Megapixels its good enough for Skype. And thats it. Myself like the rest of you had to download, the Top rated camera App from the Google Play store from MoDaCo, just type Nexus 7 into Google Play its the 4 result down. The App is a disaster, For a Tegra 3 based device, its does not even give you $199 iPod Touch Facetime results. Ok maybe thats not a fair comparison. But it draws me into me second point, the fact that Google deliberately said NO Camera App for you. Its unlikely they are even going to develop a decent camera App. Which has huge underpinnings. Unlike any other device, most of my friends and co-workers have a Nexus 7 already. We would like to have some type of real Camera App that works at something higher than 10 frames per second. Google is unlikley to give us any kind of Facetime Like App for the Nexus 7 which is disasterous failure. When a single core CPU iPod Touch is delivering a better experience (camera wise and App wise) to the end user. I know leave it up to the Developers ! developers are the answer like Fring which is also super choppy . Really you sound like Steve Ballmer at this point. How hard would have been for Google to add in a Camera App running smoothly with tons of Fun, Effects and Layers that you could essentially Facetime Videochat with friends. The fact that Google is against this makes me think they have already given up on the Nexus 7. Because any 3rd party App is not going to be universally adopted, like A Camera App baked into the device out of the box. Would the Nexus 7 been an even bigger success, its hard to ridicule a success however it is something the Nexus 7 needs. Not 3rd party poorly done camera Apps that look choppy and running on a single core CPU which is struggling to keep up. I know Google Talk is there but everyone I have shown are like WTF! Why name a Video Chat feature as "TALK" most did not know it was even there or an option. It does not even work on the Nexus 7 at least for Video Chat purposes. Does anyone know if Google has hinted or said they will developing a Camera App for the Nexus 7 and a fix for Google Talk ?
rant over its frustrating

The way i see it, there really isnt a need for a camera app. its a front facing low mp camera, so your not going to take pictures of your vacation or go sightseeing with it... you have your phone or actual camera for that.. beside how will you hold the tablet when trying to take a picture with out yourself in the shot? hold it backwards? now you just look silly and your picture still looks like crap.
then you might say "What about taking pictures of my self?" well instagram, facebook, and i think google+ (not really sure about G+, just assumeing so) have a camera app built in that works well with the N7 camera.
sooo not sure what your looking for :silly:

IceColdKila said:
Now, lets just forget the fact that this is a flagship Nexus device for Google, who have top engineers and programers working day and night on the Nexus 7. Some how they deliberately left out a camera app. Now I won't even go into the quality because at 1.3 Megapixels its good enough for Skype. And thats it. Myself like the rest of you had to download, the Top rated camera App from the Google Play store from MoDaCo, just type Nexus 7 into Google Play its the 4 result down. The App is a disaster, For a Tegra 3 based device, its does not even give you $199 iPod Touch Facetime results. Ok maybe thats not a fair comparison. But it draws me into me second point, the fact that Google deliberately said NO Camera App for you. Its unlikely they are even going to develop a decent camera App. Which has huge underpinnings. Unlike any other device, most of my friends and co-workers have a Nexus 7 already. We would like to have some type of real Camera App that works at something higher than 10 frames per second. Google is unlikley to give us any kind of Facetime Like App for the Nexus 7 which is disasterous failure. When a single core CPU iPod Touch is delivering a better experience (camera wise and App wise) to the end user. I know leave it up to the Developers ! developers are the answer like Fring which is also super choppy . Really you sound like Steve Ballmer at this point. How hard would have been for Google to add in a Camera App running smoothly with tons of Fun, Effects and Layers that you could essentially Facetime Videochat with friends. The fact that Google is against this makes me think they have already given up on the Nexus 7. Because any 3rd party App is not going to be universally adopted, like A Camera App baked into the device out of the box. Would the Nexus 7 been an even bigger success, its hard to ridicule a success however it is something the Nexus 7 needs. Not 3rd party poorly done camera Apps that look choppy and running on a single core CPU which is struggling to keep up. I know Google Talk is there but everyone I have shown are like WTF! Why name a Video Chat feature as "TALK" most did not know it was even there or an option. It does not even work on the Nexus 7 at least for Video Chat purposes. Does anyone know if Google has hinted or said they will developing a Camera App for the Nexus 7 and a fix for Google Talk ?
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Face time is apple.
Google+ hangouts is Google.
Sorry you didn't know. Its hard to be mad at Google for your lack of knowledge.
A camera app with weird facial features? Cool? For 5 mins. I tried it on my iPad once. Literally. Then got annoyed when everyone was uploading pics to fb of their fat/stretched/skinny/alien faces.
Again, this isn't apple. I'm sure an app will pop up eventually, some day
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This tablet is all about promoting Google's content and services. It's very well built and pretty much given away. Most people don't find a high quality camera necessary in a tablet, so this has no rear camera.
It came with no camera app, because the front camera really isn't intended for photography. It's there so you can take advantage of Google Hangouts, which I assume the quality should be good enough for that (haven't tried myself).
My only complaint about the camera is that it really should be angled down slightly. You have to hold the tablet very awkwardly to get the camera to center on your face.

Quite honestly, I really don't think of the front camera. The camera quality and speed shouldn't really be a con, what were you expecting for $200? It has a Tegra 3 and a IPS Display, which cost over $100 alone.

Learn something new everyday, a tegra 3 is camera hardware. Also the commercial s shoeing face time are no where near the quality in real life
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Wow you are horribly misinformed.
Firstly, the words "flagship" and "Nexus" don't correlate to meaning the same thing. This way of thinking represents a terrible misinterpretation of what the Nexus program actually is.
Secondly, you have to realize that the Nexus 7 tablet is aimed squarely at the cheaper end of the tablet market. Google set out to introduce a 200 dollar quad-core tablet, and they succeeded. To do this, cuts in other areas needed to be made. One of these areas is the cheaper sensor in the front-facing camera, and the lack of a rear camera. Now, I myself feel that the front camera is perfectly acceptable for video chatting in G+ hangouts (its intended feature, and the one feature of the camera that is touted prominently in the features list). If you wanted a tablet that could take amazing pictures of yourself or other things, you bought the wrong tablet.
And by the way, just for sake of clarity...Google did not strip the camera apk from the Nexus 7. They simply did not give you a shortcut for it. This is all MoDaCo's app in the Play Store does...unlocks the shortcut for the camera software and places it into your app tray. That's it.
At the end of the day, this is a 200 dollar tablet.

Wow! :banghead:
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Such a poor misinformed person. Please let your friends know that you can video chat in high quality using Google Talk and Google+, both on the device by default.
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And also, you said Google Talk doesn't work? Is this a troll post?
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I have a handful of tablets, including an iPad1 and iPad2. I can honestly say that I probably never had the need to take a picture with any of them. Cell phones have higher quality cameras and are much more portable/accessible. The FFC on the Nexus 7 is intended to be used specifically for video chatting which you can use either Google+ or Google Talk. A camera app wasn't included because any video chat service you use is all you need.
The reference to Google Talk is a stupid video chat service name, well, you have to imagine that Google Talk was around LONG before video service. Video conferencing wasn't originally its main function (and still isn't). It is a chat service app that simply support video.
Video Chatting is great but not useful on a day to day basis. The back camera is a useless tool for a tablet.

I guess this is dumb, but I see nothing called "google talk" on mine. So it's better to tell them to look for "talk"
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Such a poor misinformed person. Please let your friends know that you can video chat in high quality using Google Talk and Google+, both on the device by default.
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Stop with the whole camera drama in this forum already. Most consumers don't need one since they have point and shoots or a smartphone. It's a non-issue that everyone should put to rest. And this thread is also a troll thread as well since he keeps mentioning face time which is an Apple product.
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who really needs a camera an a tablet? I'm glad they left it out. The front facing camera works just fine with Skype.
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Who the hell takes pictures with a tablet anyway? You'd look ridiculous and frankly, I'd probably run up and kick you in the nuts if I saw you trying to do it (figuratively speaking, of course). Quit your damn *****ing already, it got real old real quick.
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JD914 said:
who really needs a camera an a tablet? I'm glad they left it out. The front facing camera works just fine with Skype.
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This. People taking pictures and videos with iPads and other tablets look like douchbags anyway.
I have the One X to take pictures if need be.

NJGSII said:
This. People taking pictures and videos with iPads and other tablets look like douchbags anyway.
I have the One X to take pictures if need be.
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Now that you mentioned it there seems a direct correlation between people who use tablets to take pictures and people who make camera troll threads.

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CharliesTheMan said:
Now that you mentioned it there seems a direct correlation between people who use tablets to take pictures and people who make camera troll threads.
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I appreciate all the response, I wanted to be clear on somethings which many focused on, I am not complaining about the camera Megapixel quality itself. Or what do I expect from a $200 tablet. Its the fact that, Google does not want the majority of people video chatting. When the devices is perfectly capable of this more so than a simple iPod Touch. Facetime has become, a verb now, and Android needs a response. Why Google is deliberately blowing an opportunity, is not by mistake. On Campus at work everywhere, almost overnight I see as many Nexus 7's as iPad's. Not many people want to risk a $600 iPad but a $200 tablet is a take everywhere thing. Even places not in class where you dont need an iPad the Nexus 7 is there. But Google does not want you to embrace Facetime like Apple has given people the opportunity to. Probably why the video chat feature is hidden away in a program called TALK. Anyways in response to MMcCraryNJ who says MoDaCo just links to the Camera apk, its not stripped this is even worse. I thought the camera was just a poorly developed 3rd party Ap. And lets not even care about the Visual quality, Have the CPU and GPU help out theres no reason. Its should run so choppy. And if they don't want people using which is why they left out the Icon for a $200 tablet why include one ? If the sensor is so bad, no matter what its gonna deliver what feels like 10 frames a second choppyness. I can't post links yet but just add whats missing to the begining, the Nexus 7 would be a perfect Mom and Pop device for FaceTime (I know FaceTIme is Apple but Android needs a catchier name) or for GrandDads or Grandmas who are not ready for a Smartphone or want to spend $500 on an iPAd. Its the perfect demographic, and yet Google does not want you doing this especially on a perfect devices for it. And it would not cost them extra or 5 cents more per sensor, its software thats not working right, and that they don't want to make user friendly.
youtube.com/watch?v=R8qtjT-pioM&playnext=1&list=PL390E25B9AA821DB7&feature=results_main
I can just imagine similar Nexus 7 adds would be a hit.

8 posts.

Is the camera as good as the reviews and you tube make out ?

I use a slr as my main camera as I do wedding photography as a hobby
I'm looking for a portable camera which will give me as much choice in settings as my slr and looking at the reviews and you tube the galaxy camera seems to be the one
Question from you users is it really as good as the reviews, are there any issues ? Do the settings really work ? I use aperture for slowing down shots for water etc and I see the camera has the settings so do they work ?
I am going to go into my local jessops tomorrow but wanted for opinions
Thanks
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Come on 29 views and no one can help me out ?
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30 views now and have no answer for you cause I'm using a different phone just read your thread for maybe finding a new camera compatible.
Ask Google in the mean time. Good luck
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Good Enough
Hi, I've had my camera for almost a week and I'm very pleased with it. Manual settings work ok I guess, I managed to take this picture of the moon the other night using manual settings.
Keep in mind the res of this picture is not the original!

moon
is this with 21x zoom ?
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Hi, I've had my camera for almost a week and I'm very pleased with it. Manual settings work ok I guess, I managed to take this picture of the moon the other night using manual settings.
Keep in mind the res of this picture is not the original!
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robb13 said:
Hi, I've had my camera for almost a week and I'm very pleased with it. Manual settings work ok I guess, I managed to take this picture of the moon the other night using manual settings.
Keep in mind the res of this picture is not the original!
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Had a play today the first thing which struck me was wow
The zoom is awsome and if half the features work as they should I'm Flogging my slr and getting one of these babies
Build is really good and the high res screen makes viewing pics a dream
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pileiba said:
is this with 21x zoom ?
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Yes, 21x and manual settings!!

mancuk29 said:
Had a play today the first thing which struck me was wow
The zoom is awsome and if half the features work as they should I'm Flogging my slr and getting one of these babies
Build is really good and the high res screen makes viewing pics a dream
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To play a little devils advocate: The pictures this camera produces are very good, but to be totally honest a half decent SLR will blow it away in terms of pure picture quality as it is in high-end compact/superzoom territory.
Internals from this camera are quoted to come from the Samsung WB850F, and one would imagine Samsung has done some more work on them to qualify a price almost twice what you can pick one of those up for now - as well as obviously the android benefit
I mean you're effectively getting the serious hardware from a SGS3 in there... That and the screen is absolutely phenominal, makes most camera displays look like very pathetic toys.
It sold itself to me anyway I was there on launch day for one.

mancuk29 said:
I use a slr as my main camera as I do wedding photography as a hobby
I'm looking for a portable camera which will give me as much choice in settings as my slr and looking at the reviews and you tube the galaxy camera seems to be the one
Question from you users is it really as good as the reviews, are there any issues ? Do the settings really work ? I use aperture for slowing down shots for water etc and I see the camera has the settings so do they work ?
I am going to go into my local jessops tomorrow but wanted for opinions
Thanks
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It depends on what you class as a review. The Samsung promo videos are excellently produced and really show off the countless features. I haven't seen too many in depth reviews so far.
My own experience is that it looks stunning, build quality solid, screen is outstanding, features are impressive, performance is excellent. But as for photographs, it still depends on 3 things... Lighting, Artistic eye for a good shot and a moderate level of understanding how cameras should be set up. These are pretty much standard for any camera you use away from the one built in to your average phone. Get these right and you can produce excellent shots that will make you proud.

molotov_sh said:
To play a little devils advocate: The pictures this camera produces are very good, but to be totally honest a half decent SLR will blow it away in terms of pure picture quality as it is in high-end compact/superzoom territory.
Internals from this camera are quoted to come from the Samsung WB850F, and one would imagine Samsung has done some more work on them to qualify a price almost twice what you can pick one of those up for now - as well as obviously the android benefit
I mean you're effectively getting the serious hardware from a SGS3 in there... That and the screen is absolutely phenominal, makes most camera displays look like very pathetic toys.
It sold itself to me anyway I was there on launch day for one.
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Considering the OP shoots with an SLR and does wedding photography as a hobby - I have a feeling the Canon G12 will deliver superior image quality and more features that matter for a serious photgrapher for only $379 (Actually, only $299 now at B&H...), compared to the Galaxy Camera which is designed for posting to your Facebook wall at $120 (Edit: $200 right now) more. As you mention, it has the internals of a FAR cheaper P&S camera, and I'd be shocked if it delivers significant improvements in IQ over that model. After all, the $200 extra in price over the WB850F (currently $300 after rebate at Adorama) can easily be explained by the display, touchscreen, Exynos4 CPU, and at least $100 wasted on a 3G radio interface few people will use. (Most will tether to another device.)

Nexus 5 faulty camera software, fix on the way? (According to The Verge)

I have to say that after battery life (I knew from the moment the specs leaked, that 2300 mah wouldn't be enough) that the camera quality has been my biggest dissapointment, the phone has a HARD time focusing, the picture quality it's mediocre/sometimes decent and it really doesn't make sense since google is making a big deal out of the camera.
Check out the tag line for the nexus 5 on the play store: "Nexus 5 helps you capture the everyday and the epic in fresh new ways. It's the slimmest and fastest Nexus phone ever made, powered by Android 4.4, KitKat."
If you go the official nexus 5 website you will find lots of info about how good the camera is : http://www.google.com/nexus/5/
or the commercial ... it's all about the camera
Anyway, according to Joshua Topolsky, The Verge's Chief Editor, there's hope and we will get an update trying to fix what's broken, do you guys think it will really make a difference? Or is this camera simply a poor camera? Here's the quote:
"Representatives from the Android team say that software is to blame for the weak performance, not hardware, and reps tell me that a fix is coming to deal with the issues in the upcoming weeks. I've even seen an early build of the new software, and while it's only a minor improvement — autofocus is a hair faster, but still inconsistent, and picture quality hasn't changed — it's nice to see Google already at work.
Of course, there's no set date for a fix at this point, and I don't know how much the camera can actually be improved through software, but if the Moto X is any kind of example, there might just be a solution to this very disheartening problem."
http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/4/5062724/google-nexus-5-review

I don't have any issues with the camera. The iverge is so pro apple it isn't even funny anymore
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I've found no quality issue, in fact the opposite, though focus is slow
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Used HDR+ and took great photos for me. Also, have seen The Verge post a bunch of BS, not sure why people even read that crap.
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ishamm said:
I've found no quality issue, in fact the opposite, though focus is slow
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This is the deal. The camera is quite good but the issue is the focus is too slow. They need to fix that part.
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The verge are right in this case. The focus is awfully slow. Google pioneered the instant capture feature on the galaxy nexus, dont know why they abandoned it on the nexus 4 and 5.

blazeoc said:
I don't have any issues with the camera. The iverge is so pro apple it isn't even funny anymore
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That's just not true, and you are very biased, it seems. Like others have said, there is significant lag in the camera focus and my Nexus 5 can take much much better photos than my Nexus S, but not any faster. And that is not okay.

I get the impression that all the effort on the software side so far has gone into HDR+
My experience playing around with it is that HDR+ not only improves detail in bright/dark areas, but it also results in sharper images overall. (This is contrary to what I have found with other HDR implementations which have resulted in blurrier images). Of course sometimes you don't want to use HDR (Maybe you want to photograph a figure silhouetted against the sunset for example).
Whilst I didn't buy the N5 as a replacement for an SLR, hopefully the non-HDR mode can be improved. After all, the best camera is the one you have with you.
(I also agree regarding the camera focus. At the very least, an option to pre-focus would make a huge difference!)

Shutter is slow... but it takes decent shots
It's no secret that Google needs to work on their camera software.

Argenist said:
It's no secret that Google needs to work on their camera software.
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Working in a software company, I can imagine how this goes...
"Who wants to work on auto-awesome." - "Yay!"
"Who wants to work on photo-sphere." - "Yay!"
"Who wants to optimize the shutter lag." - "..."
Also, your lunch looks much nicer than my work canteen pizza

flonker said:
Used HDR+ and took great photos for me. Also, have seen The Verge post a bunch of BS, not sure why people even read that crap.
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The same here, very surprised by picture quality in low light using HDR+ (for landscape mainly)... I mean im sure there are better cameras but for a phone im impressed
But i've a weird problem don't know if software or hardware but the camera app stay black screen when opened from the lock screen. it happened many times, i had to put my pin code kill the app and launch again to get the camera app working again.
Anyone got the same issue?

mobilehavoc said:
This is the deal. The camera is quite good but the issue is the focus is too slow. They need to fix that part.
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As a result, it's turned my shots into unfocused poo
At least the shutterlag and slow focus should be fixable, though. I hope.
I'm not expecting Note 3-level of camera, but it'd be nice if we could have say... 70% of the Note 3's camera performance.

Here's one I took and then used Snapseed. The hw is quite capable. https://plus.google.com/101858146614640675194/posts/1jwmHP58BUk
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I'm finding the camera very usable with good results.
However, try using video mode and pinch to zoom. Does this cause Camera to freeze for seconds for others, either recovering eventually or crashing out?
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Apolyxon said:
That's just not true, and you are very biased, it seems. Like others have said, there is significant lag in the camera focus and my Nexus 5 can take much much better photos than my Nexus S, but not any faster. And that is not okay.
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haha, I am about as unbiased as they come. I have all apple everything including an iPhone 5, macbook pro, apple tv's, Droid Maxx and now Nexus 5. I have no brand loyalty at all. Let me make myself clear to you, I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THE CAMERA OR THE QUALITY OF THE IMAGES THAT COME FROM IT.
I hope that is clears things up for you. And by the way, everything I said is my own opinion. I never said you didn't have issues, I said I wasn't having issues. As for the iVerge, that is pretty common knowledge.

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haha, I am about as unbiased as they come. I have all apple everything including an iPhone 5, macbook pro, apple tv's, Droid Maxx and now Nexus 5. I have no brand loyalty at all. Let me make myself clear to you, I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THE CAMERA OR THE QUALITY OF THE IMAGES THAT COME FROM IT.
I hope that is clears things up for you. And by the way, everything I said is my own opinion. I never said you didn't have issues, I said I wasn't having issues. As for the iVerge, that is pretty common knowledge.
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Since you have those items, why don't you compare the camera shutter lag to those other phones?
You can always say that for you it's not a problem - and that might very well be as you say, but you'll never be able to deny that there might be people that want to capture "that moment" and with that lag it's just infeasible.
If your camera does not have any worse lag than say the iPhone 5s, please make a video so we can see for ourselves.

Apolyxon said:
Since you have those items, why don't you compare the camera shutter lag to those other phones?
You can always say that for you it's not a problem - and that might very well be as you say, but you'll never be able to deny that there might be people that want to capture "that moment" and with that lag it's just infeasible.
If your camera does not have any worse lag than say the iPhone 5s, please make a video so we can see for ourselves.
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I have no problem capturing the moment, but I am also a photographer as well so I have learned to anticipate.
Again, I don't need to make video's or prove to you, I have said FOR ME, I have ZERO issues with the camera. It is fine by me.

Definitely needs to be fixed.

Apolyxon said:
Since you have those items, why don't you compare the camera shutter lag to those other phones?
You can always say that for you it's not a problem - and that might very well be as you say, but you'll never be able to deny that there might be people that want to capture "that moment" and with that lag it's just infeasible.
If your camera does not have any worse lag than say the iPhone 5s, please make a video so we can see for ourselves.
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The shutter lag is insane for a phone with these specs. I used Camera FX and it's much better, but all the images come out very dark.

blazeoc said:
I have no problem capturing the moment, but I am also a photographer as well so I have learned to anticipate.
Again, I don't need to make video's or prove to you, I have said FOR ME, I have ZERO issues with the camera. It is fine by me.
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Look this thread is about issues with the Nexus 5's camera. What good are you doing when you tell people "It's not that bad guys! You just have to anticipate the 1-2 seconds lag, I learned it too!"
It's just ignorant to tell people there is no issue with the camera at all, because you yourself can work around the lag issue. You do see that this might annoy people, especially normal users?

Initial review and comparison after 1 day

Initial review and comparison after 1 day.
I am a self certified phone junky and a proud dad and here is my initial review and comparison between the OnePlus 5 and the Samsung Galaxy S8,
Design.
Well this one is a no brainer the Samsung Galaxy S8 makes the OnePlus 5 look dated even though both of the screens are excellent in terms of contrast, viewing in direct sunlight the curved edges and form factor are a massive win for me with the Samsung.
Win Samsung Galaxy S8
Build Quality
Both phones are superbly built I was very apprehensive about the OnePlus 5 due to hearing lots of horror stories about the fit and finish of the product and luckily enough mine is free of any of these defects.
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Features
The stock OOS has some very nice features such as gesture support, remapping the capacitive buttons to perform other functions and is very well laid out and easy to find what you need.
The Samsung is well a complete mess way too many options in way too many categories and you have to search to find anything as it can be buried very deep.
The vast majority of the features on the Galaxy S8 I do not use nor care for basically.
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Camera
This is a big one after reading review after review I did not have very high expectations of the OnePlus 5 specially when compared to my other phone the Samsung Galaxy S8.
However until you zoom in the photo’s actually look pretty good as long as you use HQ or Pro mode (the HDR modes are very poor)
I am definitely not a camera expert and what makes a good camera for me is can it take a “Clear Photo” of my manic 4 year old daughter without any motion blur or other artifacts.
The camera on the Galaxy S8 is much better you can rely on this to take excellent photos every time you want to use it and even when zoomed in the photo’s remain clear, crisp with no water color effect which the OnePlus 5 has.
Win Samsung Galaxy S8
Performance.
This is very easy for me to state the OnePlus 5 is one of the fastest phones I have ever owned and it has none of the lag or stutter of the Galaxy S8 (why oh why with so much power under the hood does the S8 have stutters in the UI)
Easy victory for the OnePlus 5

Thanks for your summary which in many aspects copies my own experience (presently have both and have to decide which to keep).
I'm still looking for a good camera app from playstore to copy the excellent image processing of the Samsung camera app.
To add to the points above: from my comparison the OP5 is vastly superior in GPS reception to my (Eynos) S8 !

s3axel said:
Thanks for your summary which in many aspects copies my own experience (presently have both and have to decide which to keep).
I'm still looking for a good camera app from playstore to copy the excellent image processing of the Samsung camera app.
To add to the points above: from my comparison the OP5 is vastly superior in GPS reception to my (Eynos) S8 !
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Try Cameringo+, that has some good processing ...

So how did the OP5 do at photos of your 4 year old? I have a 1yr and 5yr old and have the same struggles to get clear shots.

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So how did the OP5 do at photos of your 4 year old? I have a 1yr and 5yr old and have the same struggles to get clear shots.
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It did ok although not as life like as the S8.

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It did ok although not as life like as the S8.
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Looks like it focused good though. Was that HQ or HDR? I've read recently that the OP5 seems to have sharper pictures in HQ mode.

atistang said:
Looks like it focused good though. Was that HQ or HDR? I've read recently that the OP5 seems to have sharper pictures in HQ mode.
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I think they where all in HQ

daleski75 said:
It did ok although not as life like as the S8.
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Oh she's adorable! So cute. I'm no photographer, but the picture quality looks good to me.
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Updated to 4.5.5 yesterday and took some more photos was quite surprised by the results.
Link to the originals https://goo.gl/photos/kzY2SeMxPZ5yXmXv8
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daleski75 said:
Updated to 4.5.5 yesterday and took some more photos was quite surprised by the results.
Link to the originals https://goo.gl/photos/kzY2SeMxPZ5yXmXv8
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Very nice!! Moving kids was the Achilles heel of OP3T :good::good: With op3t I basically could not a get a decent picture with my kid unless she was in complete standstill*
*You need Tom Cruise for that – i.e. Mission Impossible X

Oneplus 5 Vs Honor 8 Pro (Camera)....I am disappointed with OnePlus 5...

Hi,
So I recently pickedup Oneplus 5. I had Honor 8 Pro already. I was planning to sell the Honor 8 Pro and Make Oneplus 5 my daily driver. I was looking forward to "Dual Cameras. Clearer Photos"
But the moment I started snapping some pics, I was left dismayed by the sub-par, borderline poor image quality produced by on the paper very good cameras! The photos were full of noise and a lot dark! I expected good low light performance from a 1.7 aperture lens but in reality, the camera kept pushing the ISO and shutter speed to really high levels in very good and well lit conditions as well!
The night shots were so bad I didn't even bother keeping them. Why does such a GOOD on paper camera take such crappy photos? The fine detail is smudged up. The dynamic range is horrendous, HDR or no HDR. The lights get blown out and the darks are too dark to keep any details! Most pics come under exposed.
I am really disappointed. And from the research I did afterwards (I wish I had done it before...). It seems its an open-secret and Oneplus aren't really keen on fixing it...
Please check this Album. I have taken similar photos with Honor 8 Pro and then Oneplus 5.
I might add more later.
Let me know which one is better...
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmc38Zwe
In all cropped sets, first pic is by Huawei Honor 8 Pro(H) & second pic is by Oneplus 5(O).
Photo 1
1 H by NHS2008NC, on Flickr
1 O by NHS2008NC, on Flickr
Photo 2
2 H by NHS2008NC, on Flickr
2 O by NHS2008NC, on Flickr
Photo 3
3 H by NHS2008NC, on Flickr
3 O by NHS2008NC, on Flickr
Photo 4
4 H by NHS2008NC, on Flickr
4 O by NHS2008NC, on Flickr
Photo 5
5 H by NHS2008NC, on Flickr
5 O by NHS2008NC, on Flickr
Photo 6
6 H by NHS2008NC, on Flickr
6 O by NHS2008NC, on Flickr
Photo 7
7 H by NHS2008NC, on Flickr
7 O by NHS2008NC, on Flickr
Of course I have to sell one. As much as I like the dash charging, Better codec support, and amoled screen (night reading)...I am really torn to part with such a good camera phone.
EDIT:
Attached pics (full pics in Flickr Album):
1) Oneplus 5 Auto
2) Oneplus 5 Pro
3) Oneplus 5 Gcam HDR+
4) Honor 8 Pro Auto

i don't know dude those pics look weird n funky , n even if the op5 cam is bad it ain't THAT bad as shown in the pics , i'm really confused

To me the pictures looks ok, but I do not expected a professional picture from a smartphone camera :good: as I it always said to a friend of mine that always trolled smartphone cameras, if you want high quality and professional looking pictures buy a professional camera :laugh:
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GraveDigger176 said:
To me the pictures looks ok, but I do not expected a professional picture from a smartphone camera :good: as I it always said to a friend of mine that always trolled smartphone cameras, if you want high quality and professional looking pictures buy a professional camera :laugh:
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Always an excuse to feel better about your expense...
Well. I am not asking for PROFESSIONAL looking picture. See the other phone I posted has 4 less mega pixels. An aperture of 2.2 compared to 1.7. But still it takes sharper and less noisy images with greater detail and colour accuracy.

Lol just go back to the honor 8 pro then? I dont know how those photos came up that crappy but I get decent shots on the one plus 5. Try usin gcam.

Not sure what's to complain about. It's a cell phone camera of course it's gonna be pretty crappy. What about everything else about the phone? I get 8-9 hours sot every day no matter what I do on it. I think that more than makes up for a camera.

I Took this with my op5 and it's better than all of your pictures. Go get a professional camera and a flip phone.

se7ensde said:
I Took this with my op5 and it's better than all of your pictures. Go get a professional camera and a flip phone.
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I think that stupid argument has already been raised by one person. What are you comparing that shot against?
If you had a Honor 8 pro. You would have gotten a better version of it.
So please if you have nothing to contribute, stop barking non sense. I can also take great shots using mods and what not then tweak them on PC and post.
Edit: And if you consider complaining about poor camera performance on a flagship with 'Dual cameras. Clearer photos' tagline; then you should get the Fanboy of the year award!

All i see is SALT these days.

NHS2008 said:
I think that stupid argument has already been raised by one person. What are you comparing that shot against?
If you had a Honor 8 pro. You would have gotten a better version of it.
So please if you have nothing to contribute, stop barking non sense. I can also take great shots using mods and what not then tweak them on PC and post.
Edit: And if you consider complaining about poor camera performance on a flagship with 'Dual cameras. Clearer photos' tagline; then you should get the Fanboy of the year award!
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Well you say ".. if you have nothing to contribute, stop barking non sense." , so.. what did you contribute besides saying that your honor is SO much better than an OP and just showing up Pictures where I dont think that an OP5 would shot SUCH bad shots and also These are just random shots where also half of These look very similar to me.
Also,you know, this is the OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion Forum, so yeah this is neither some News nor a Guide and also no Discussion as ist just plain complaining from your side.
So to contribute for the forum and all the People here im going to Report this thread and hope that other People do this too.

It's definitely not a secret that One Plus has a terrible camera app. My $150 Samsung Galaxy J3 could take better pictures, especially in low light. If the camera app on the OP5 wasn't such utter crap there wouldn't be a very long thread on XDA filled with people using the Google Pixel camera app on this phone. The OP5 is never going to be a good camera phone. One Plus only supports Camera 1 API which is very dated and limited. Google introduced the Camera 2 API on the Nexus 5X which I think was running Marshmallow.
If you want proof the camera will never be fixed just look at the 5T. One Plus did not tout that as a great camera phone like they did with the OP5. One Plus also ditched the telephoto lense in favor of a low light lense because they don't know how to fix the software issue with the OP5 camera. Like you said on paper the OP5 has great camera hardware. But One Plus doesn't have the talented software engineers that could actually take advantage of it.
I can't see myself buying another One Plus phone because I think they are a terrible company. Whatever phone One Plus releases is based on a model from Oppo. The difference? The One Plus version will have better on paper hardware specs and the Oppo version will have far better build quality. The Oppo version will also take much better pictures.
The build quality of the OP5 is lousy. My first one was unusable after about 3 months because of a defective motherboard and even though the phone was under warranty One Plus customer service and warranty repair is so horrible the only way I could get a working phone was to file an insurance claim and pay $150 deductible.
I was sent a brand new replacement phone and right out of the box the headphone jack was bad. I had to switch to Bluetooth because wired headphones don't work--the headphone plugs fall right out of the jack.
Then there's OOS. It's the programming equivalent of a custom ROM that you might flash on another phone. I do a clean flash every time there is a build update because dirty flashes consistently resulted in problems. A stock ROM should not be coded that poorly but it's an open secret that One Plus lost all of its best software engineers and the talent drain forced them to combine development of Oxygen and Hydrogen (the Chinese operating system) under one roof and all the programmers they have left are from the Hydrogen side. The problem with that is that One Plus is a very minor brand in Asia so they don't attract the best talent.
There aren't even plans to release an official version of Lineage Oreo for this phone. The OP5 was only sold for 4 months. If One Plus doesn't care about this phone why should major software devs?

NHS2008 said:
I think that stupid argument has already been raised by one person. What are you comparing that shot against?
If you had a Honor 8 pro. You would have gotten a better version of it.
So please if you have nothing to contribute, stop barking non sense. I can also take great shots using mods and what not then tweak them on PC and post.
Edit: And if you consider complaining about poor camera performance on a flagship with 'Dual cameras. Clearer photos' tagline; then you should get the Fanboy of the year award!
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I didn't tweak anything that's the default quality and far better than any of the pictures posted by the honor 8 on OP. And I will say whatever I want and I did contribute something for comparison all your doing is running your mouth. If you don't like the op5 then get the f*** of the forum for it.

NHS2008 said:
Hi,
So I recently pickedup Oneplus 5. I had Honor 8 Pro already. I was planning to sell the Honor 8 Pro and Make Oneplus 5 my daily driver. I was looking forward to "Dual Cameras. Clearer Photos"
But the moment I started snapping some pics, I was left dismayed by the sub-par, borderline poor image quality produced by on the paper very good cameras! The photos were full of noise and a lot dark! I expected good low light performance from a 1.7 aperture lens but in reality, the camera kept pushing the ISO and shutter speed to really high levels in very good and well lit conditions as well!
The night shots were so bad I didn't even bother keeping them. Why does such a GOOD on paper camera take such crappy photos? The fine detail is smudged up. The dynamic range is horrendous, HDR or no HDR. The lights get blown out and the darks are too dark to keep any details! Most pics come under exposed.
I am really disappointed. And from the research I did afterwards (I wish I had done it before...). It seems its an open-secret and Oneplus aren't really keen on fixing it...
Please check this Album. I have taken similar photos with Honor 8 Pro and then Oneplus 5.
I might add more later.
Let me know which one is better...
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LOL, personnaly it's the worst pics ever on both model.... Seriously you have use Zoom on all picture and save with 50% jpg for post on fliker? Even my first Numerique Cam (1024*768) take better pictures
I took a picture just for you

BFMSAND said:
Well you say ".. if you have nothing to contribute, stop barking non sense." , so.. what did you contribute besides saying that your honor is SO much better than an OP and just showing up Pictures where I dont think that an OP5 would shot SUCH bad shots and also These are just random shots where also half of These look very similar to me.
Also,you know, this is the OnePlus 5 Guides, News, & Discussion Forum, so yeah this is neither some News nor a Guide and also no Discussion as ist just plain complaining from your side.
So to contribute for the forum and all the People here im going to Report this thread and hope that other People do this too.
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How did I contribute? I posted pics taken from both phones!
Please see the word I have highlighted above. Go ahead and report. Mr. FanBOY.
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All i see is SALT these days.
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se7ensde said:
I didn't tweak anything that's the default quality and far better than any of the pictures posted by the honor 8 on OP. And I will say whatever I want and I did contribute something for comparison all your doing is running your mouth. If you don't like the op5 then get the f*** of the forum for it.
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Hahaha...good joke. Please post the full image then.
Pho3nX said:
LOL, personnaly it's the worst pics ever on both model.... Seriously you have use Zoom on all picture and save with 50% jpg for post on fliker? Even my first Numerique Cam (1024*768) take better pictures
I took a picture just for you
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No. zoom is used. And you can see the difference clearly in both the pics.
And the pic you've posted. Is that supposed to be an example of Oneplus 5's great image quality? Cause I see ton of noise and smudged detail.

NHS2008 said:
No. zoom is used. And you can see the difference clearly in both the pics.
And the pic you've posted. Is that supposed to be an example of Oneplus 5's great image quality? Cause I see ton of noise and smudged detail.
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No. zoom is used. And you can see the difference clearly in both the pics.
> All your pics are ugly
And the pic you've posted. Is that supposed to be an example of Oneplus 5's great image quality? Cause I see ton of noise and smudged detail.
> Not an example, just a pic in my kitchen without light (just normal light) and again compressed by casimage (host).. and this "poor" pic is x4 better than your posted quality pics. Even a blinded man can see that
We can talk without be only on the defensive way... If you're always right, do not write on a forum

NHS2008 said:
How did I contribute? I posted pics taken from both phones!
Please see the word I have highlighted above. Go ahead and report. Mr. FanBOY.
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Hahaha...good joke. Please post the full image then.
No. zoom is used. And you can see the difference clearly in both the pics.
And the pic you've posted. Is that supposed to be an example of Oneplus 5's great image quality? Cause I see ton of noise and smudged detail.
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All those pictures are fake. Do you even have OnePlus 5 bro?
Can you please post one more image with OnePlus watermark?

Pho3nX said:
No. zoom is used. And you can see the difference clearly in both the pics.
> All your pics are ugly
And the pic you've posted. Is that supposed to be an example of Oneplus 5's great image quality? Cause I see ton of noise and smudged detail.
> Not an example, just a pic in my kitchen without light (just normal light) and again compressed by casimage (host).. and this "poor" pic is x4 better than your posted quality pics. Even a blinded man can see that
We can talk without be only on the defensive way... If you're always right, do not write on a forum
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JerryXss said:
All those pictures are fake. Do you even have OnePlus 5 bro?
Can you please post one more image with OnePlus watermark?
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Here ya go...straight off the phone.
Edit: Added another pic...?

The softness of Oneplus 5 main cam pics is a known issue (aka water colour effect); I have compared the pics from OP5 with LG G6 and Samsung Note 4. (My opinion = Note 4 was best). I was as disappointed as you are now, i suppose. However, since I had no choice but to use OP5, I found certain workarounds. Hopefully they'll help you too.
1) ALWAYS use manual mode for normal photos! (no need to tweak any settings, keep all on auto. Manual mode apparently doesn't use the same compression algo that main cam does => sharpness increased & noise reduction improved)
2) Check out the 100% jpeg mod in the forum. It's really works
3) Don't zoom in on every pic. I know it sounds silly but it's like a psychological itch you must scratch - don't. On the whole, the pics are pretty awesome if you just enjoy them as they are and not analyse too deep.
Cheers!
PS : Apologies for not being able to post comparison pics, I don't have those phones anymore. Just take my word for it

Topsy Krett said:
The softness of Oneplus 5 main cam pics is a known issue (aka water colour effect); I have compared the pics from OP5 with LG G6 and Samsung Note 4. (My opinion = Note 4 was best). I was as disappointed as you are now, i suppose. However, since I had no choice but to use OP5, I found certain workarounds. Hopefully they'll help you too.
1) ALWAYS use manual mode for normal photos! (no need to tweak any settings, keep all on auto. Manual mode apparently doesn't use the same compression algo that main cam does => sharpness increased & noise reduction improved)
2) Check out the 100% jpeg mod in the forum. It's really works
3) Don't zoom in on every pic. I know it sounds silly but it's like a psychological itch you must scratch - don't. On the whole, the pics are pretty awesome if you just enjoy them as they are and not analyse too deep.
Cheers!
PS : Apologies for not being able to post comparison pics, I don't have those phones anymore. Just take my word for it
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I had note 4 too and it took great pics.
Yes. I have found out that manual mode takes more cleaner pics compared to auto.
I am using the Gcam mod and it actually does some justice to the sensor on Oneplus 5!
I was thinking of using the 100% quality mod but I read it makes the file size really large.
I don't use the zoom feature though.
Thanks for understanding my perspective.

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