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AMOLED, Super AMOLED or LCD/TFT

I've heard so many mixed perspectives.
The way I see it, S-OLED should be the best in the bunch.
Followed by OLED and then TFT..
I've heard about the nexus display looking "unnatural" from engadget, whatever that means..
Some people are saying that the upcoming sprint evo 4g has a brighter and simply better (4.3") screen.
Apart from the size, the screen technology is just TFT.
In the computer LCD world, i have heard more bad than good about TFT, so what's the deal?
Right now I have a 24" 1080p TFT LCD Monitor, and I think it's beautiful.
I haven't had much to compare it to though.
It's not the greatest screen I've seen, but it's definitely nice.

I have both an HD2 and a Nexus One. The HD2 has a 4.3" TFT display and looks gorgeous. It doesn't have a very defined pixel grid look that you can see if you stare at your Nexus One up close, so it looks more blended.
On the flip side, the Nexus One's vibrancy is hands down better. While watching movies on the HD2, I loved the size of the image, but to be honest, I prefer the color of the Nexus One's screen.
Outside in the sunlight, the HD2 wins. It still gets horrible glare, but no where near as bad as the Nexus One.
With all of that being said, I prefer the Nexus One's screen. Not going to talk about the size differences and their pros and cons, because that's a separate subject altogether. I'm mostly indoors for my job, and being a graphics designer, I enjoy the contrast that the OLED screen can deliver. It's not exactly color accurate, but since this is a phone and not being used as a design device, it doesn't matter...it looks gorgeous. So long as people don't appear as orange aliens, I enjoy the contrast. (Go stare at some of the TVs on display in major retail stores...they jack the contrast up to ridiculous levels to try to wow the viewer, but make things look downright stupid)

I see, that's pretty much like I expected.
The OLED displays will have a more pixel grid display because each pixel is actually a tiny LED. For me that's fine, as long as its not blatant.
So then the best choice would probably be AMOLED that's good in sunlight aka super amoled.
Have you tried playing with the brightness in the sunlight?
I haven't actually experienced an amoled screen yet, but i would think that if you turned the brightness up to max it would like quite okay in the sun.
At least that's how my G1 (TFT LCD) was.
Thanks for the input btw!

From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.

azalex86 said:
I have both an HD2 and a Nexus One. The HD2 has a 4.3" TFT display and looks gorgeous. It doesn't have a very defined pixel grid look that you can see if you stare at your Nexus One up close, so it looks more blended.
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isnt the supersonics screen a little brighter and more vibrant than the hd2? it sure seemed soo in the pictures and videos i saw

I have the two available high-end android devices - the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid, though with non-unlockable bootloader :-( ) and the Nexus One.
The 'stone has a 854x480 TFT, and the N1 has an 800x480 AMOLED.
Inside, the N1 screen wins - it is incredibly bright, less battery hungry, and has notably better contrast. The Milestone is good, but the N1 is better.
Another N1 advantage is that, even though both screens are 3.7 inches, the milestone is taller and narrower in portrait mode, making the portrait-mode keyboard harder to use for those of us with freakishly-large hands.
Outside, however, it just isn't even close. The Milestone is the best color screen I've ever seen on a large screen phone under bright light. It is absolutely usable in bright sunlight - you can take photos, check out a youtube video, read your RSS feeds, tweets, maps, whatever with absolutely no problem at all. The N1 is almost unusable in direct sunlight - there is just too much glare from the substrate and touch layers. And if you are also wearing sunglasses, forget it, you can't see a thing. Even an iPhone 3GS or iPod Touch (3rd gen) are mush less readable in bright conditions than the Milestone.
Samsung's new S-AMOLED is meant to bond the touch layer into the AMOLED surface directly, taking out a glare / difraction / etc. layer, and making the screen good in bright light. I have my doubts that it will be as good as a strong TFT in those conditions, but we'll see. It will certainly be thinner, better indoors and less power hungry

I don't have yet a N1 but I had the samsung Jet back in fall ,it had an amoled screen. It was quite good under sunlight,colors are washed out but you can clearly read SMS text or use the menu.
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp

topdnbass said:
I see, that's pretty much like I expected.
The OLED displays will have a more pixel grid display because each pixel is actually a tiny LED. For me that's fine, as long as its not blatant.
So then the best choice would probably be AMOLED that's good in sunlight aka super amoled.
Have you tried playing with the brightness in the sunlight?
I haven't actually experienced an amoled screen yet, but i would think that if you turned the brightness up to max it would like quite okay in the sun.
At least that's how my G1 (TFT LCD) was.
Thanks for the input btw!
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Yeah, even with the Nexus One set to 100%, the readability is around the HD2 with 50-60% brightness outside. Thankfully it is only a problem in direct sunlight.
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isnt the supersonics screen a little brighter and more vibrant than the hd2? it sure seemed soo in the pictures and videos i saw
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I believe they are the same screen in both devices, but could be wrong. We'll have to wait until they can do a proper side by side with the exact same lightness settings.
A 4.3" Super AMOLED screen would be nice. I would never buy a phone with a bigger display than that, because it would become uncomfortable to use, and at that point, you might as well just buy a tablet.

Settembrini said:
From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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I would suggest you have a screen that is defective if it has really noticeable colour deviations.
Obviously it's not a properly colour calibrated display, but everything looks perfectly natural on mine (skin tones etc), with no significant over saturation or hue shifts.

yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks

rockky said:
yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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There are anti-glare protectors that help eliminate some of the glare by dispursing it better, but even then it's still pretty bad. The main issue is due to having no backlight like a TFT.

GlenH said:
I would suggest you have a screen that is defective if it has really noticeable colour deviations.
Obviously it's not a properly colour calibrated display, but everything looks perfectly natural on mine (skin tones etc), with no significant over saturation or hue shifts.
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No, there is nothing wrong with the colour calibration. Girlfriend has also got a Nexus and I have seen others and even on photos here on the internet you can see the unnatural colours of the screen.
Have a look at the first post where you can find the question, if it were true that the colours are unnatural referring to Engadget. And yes, the colours are unnatural. I like the Nexus, do not get me wrong, but I do not like the colours of AMOLED screens. They are awful.

rockky said:
yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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There are definitely protectors that do that, but I don't like the feel of anything but glass on a touch screen.. That's just me though.
Hey I noticed in your sig that you have an iphone and nexus, how would you compare the two? The screen and everything else (you should make another thread for that though).
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Yeah, even with the Nexus One set to 100%, the readability is around the HD2 with 50-60% brightness outside. Thankfully it is only a problem in direct sunlight.
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Damn that's pretty bad, cause with the TFT on my G1 I always had to turn it up to max to get a decent display.
So assuming the HD2 is similar (same technology), then AMOLED must be pretty bad in sunlight.
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I don't have yet a N1 but I had the samsung Jet back in fall ,it had an amoled screen. It was quite good under sunlight,colors are washed out but you can clearly read SMS text or use the menu.
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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Lol, spy pics.
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I have the two available high-end android devices - the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid, though with non-unlockable bootloader :-( ) and the Nexus One.
The 'stone has a 854x480 TFT, and the N1 has an 800x480 AMOLED.
Inside, the N1 screen wins - it is incredibly bright, less battery hungry, and has notably better contrast. The Milestone is good, but the N1 is better.
Another N1 advantage is that, even though both screens are 3.7 inches, the milestone is taller and narrower in portrait mode, making the portrait-mode keyboard harder to use for those of us with freakishly-large hands.
Outside, however, it just isn't even close. The Milestone is the best color screen I've ever seen on a large screen phone under bright light. It is absolutely usable in bright sunlight - you can take photos, check out a youtube video, read your RSS feeds, tweets, maps, whatever with absolutely no problem at all. The N1 is almost unusable in direct sunlight - there is just too much glare from the substrate and touch layers. And if you are also wearing sunglasses, forget it, you can't see a thing. Even an iPhone 3GS or iPod Touch (3rd gen) are mush less readable in bright conditions than the Milestone.
Samsung's new S-AMOLED is meant to bond the touch layer into the AMOLED surface directly, taking out a glare / difraction / etc. layer, and making the screen good in bright light. I have my doubts that it will be as good as a strong TFT in those conditions, but we'll see. It will certainly be thinner, better indoors and less power hungry
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I know the AMOLED's are pretty great indoors, but when you say incredibly bright... If viewing late at night in bed for example, is it too bright even on the lowest setting?
I'd like a phone that can be very dim or very bright.
Settembrini said:
From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.

@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.

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@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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i personally love it..the colors pop out they look gorgeous

Compared to TFT capacitive screens Amoled are less good under sunlight but they are still usable and certainly much more than HTC WM phones like Diamond and Touch HD

Settembrini said:
@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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You seem to put a lot of faith in what Engadget says. I'm not saying that everything is perfectly flat, but I have a few hundred perfectly-exposed photos from my Nikon D90, all taken with pro glass, on my Nexus, and the colors are not bad at all. They are, well, let's call them "well saturated", but nothing remotely unpleasant - to be honest, given the tiny screen (I take photos be be blown up BIG), the saturation is probably an advantage. And they look notably, even considerably better on the N1 than on an iPhone / iPod touch third-gen.
All of that is my opinion - and I like saturated colors. But I also like skin that still looks like skin, and the N1 delivers that to my eyes.

Gee, didn't I say that it is my opinion and that others might think differently? What you call saturated colours I call unnatural and for me and maybe only for me the colours are an eyesore, but I like the Nexus nevertheless.

big_adventure, you gave me a thought.
I think the best way to really compare these technologies is to have the same image of something, like a HQ picture of your skin.
On both of the phones.
Then compare the output to eachother and to the real life color of your skin.
I said to compare to eachother because a cameras snapshot can change the color, flash, settings, and what not.
Sounds stupid, but maybe what some people define as unnatural on a display, is actually quite natural.
Don't compare how the android OS looks, compare an image within the OS.

vegetaleb said:
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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Well, if you are going to be wandering around a beach at midnight you probably won't run into too many girls to take pictures of. And they'd probably notice the flash going off so it wouldn't be much of a "spy shot".
(Edit: To be fair, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock#Confusion_at_noon_and_midnight mentions that am/pm by definition don't make any sense for noon and midnight and are thus often confused. But, the sources it quotes that do assign meaning to 12am and 12pm all seem to call 12am midnight and 12pm noon. It's probably why most of the parking signs in SF are now starting to use "12:01am" when they want to talk about late night street cleaning restrictions...that, and the fact that 12am is also ambiguous as to whether it refers to the start of a day or the end of a day...)

[Q] Yellowish screen?

Hi there,
The Galaxy Note is my first phone with a LED screen, I had a Desire HD before.
Since I got my Galaxy Note, the screen seems a bit yellowish to me.
When you tilt it a little bit to the side, you see the while colors becomes more white, but when you tilt it back, so the screen is right in front of you, then the white colors looks a bit yellowish again.
Is this normal for a LED screen?
I don't like the yellowish tint at all, but for the rest the screen looks amazing.
Thanks for your answers

Hmm I don't really notice any sort of yellow tint on my screen but then again I'm not the most color observant person . What you can try is go int settings==>display==>screen mode and change it from standard to dynamic or movie. I have it on dynamic and love it.

GallardosEggrollShop said:
Hmm I don't really notice any sort of yellow tint on my screen but then again I'm not the most color observant person . What you can try is go int settings==>display==>screen mode and change it from standard to dynamic or movie. I have it on dynamic and love it.
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Thanks for your answer
Yea I already tried dynamic mode, it makes the yellowish tint a little less, but it's still there.
You can notice it by yourself by tilting the phone.
Just put something on your screen that has a white color, and watch the screen from the side, it looks much nicer then.

Ohyea, by the way.
You can also notice the yellowish very good if you put the screen mode on movie

Just got my Galaxy Note N7000 today and noticed the same issue on mine. Tilting the screen slightly makes the whites look pure white while in its normal position the screen looks kinda yellow. I am not being able to understand if this is a faulty set or not

SAMOLED screens are supposed to have superior viewing angles, it is believed that the Oleophobic coating is causing the green/blue/yellow tinting that you see when the phone is tilted ( well in your case its a direct view ) my first screen had absolutely no color shift even at the most extreme angles, the new one I have now has a blue tint unless directly viewed.
The norm is supposed to have great viewing angles and only shift in really extreme and non usable angles.

EarlZ said:
SAMOLED screens are supposed to have superior viewing angles, it is believed that the Oleophobic coating is causing the green/blue/yellow tinting that you see when the phone is tilted ( well in your case its a direct view ) my first screen had absolutely no color shift even at the most extreme angles, the new one I have now has a blue tint unless directly viewed.
The norm is supposed to have great viewing angles and only shift in really extreme and non usable angles.
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So what you are saying here is that we should use our phone while we keep it tilted? LOL

joshoon said:
So what you are saying here is that we should use our phone while we keep it tilted? LOL
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The norm is supposed to have great viewing angles and only shift in really extreme and non usable angles.
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How hard is that to understand?

EarlZ said:
How hard is that to understand?
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Well, you don't have to be upset like that.
What I'm trying to say is that if you tilt the phone, it has great colors.
But when you look straight onto the screen, you see a yellowish screen.
Your conclusion is that the viewing angle are very good, and only shift in really extreme and non usable angles.
Looking straight onto the screen should not be a non usable angle.
And Im not the only one who's saying it, but when you tilt the phone, the colors looks much nicer.

Im not upset, I just found it amusing why it was not understood right off the bat.
Have your screen/phone replaced, thats clearly a quality control issue.

EarlZ said:
Im not upset, I just found it amusing why it was not understood right off the bat.
Have your screen/phone replaced, thats clearly a quality control issue.
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But I just got it new, and more people are complaining about it (also some outside xda).
So I am wondering if it worths it to replace it, because it can happen again.

joshoon said:
But I just got it new, and more people are complaining about it (also some outside xda).
So I am wondering if it worths it to replace it, because it can happen again.
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Thats something only you can decide, IMHO thats a hardware defect.
Another person posted the same thing.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1440582
If you google for Galaxy Note + green tint you'ed get a few results including this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1335161
Some users report is as normal and accept it as normal, If its normal Im wondering why theres a green and blue tint difference and a few screens dont even have any tinting even at extreme angles. Like the first one I got (but had very visible horizontal lines )

EarlZ said:
Thats something only you can decide, IMHO thats a hardware defect.
Another person posted the same thing.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1440582
If you google for Galaxy Note + green tint you'ed get a few results including this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1335161
Some users report is as normal and accept it as normal, If its normal Im wondering why theres a green and blue tint difference and a few screens dont even have any tinting even at extreme angles. Like the first one I got (but had very visible horizontal lines )
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Interesting.
Actually I'm not a whiner, so I can live with the tint for 2 years, but still...
If I will be in the center of my city, I will ask the phone store what they think, and what they will do to solve it.

joshoon said:
Interesting.
Actually I'm not a whiner, so I can live with the tint for 2 years, but still...
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All upto you, I how ever prefer to enjoy my device as defect free as possible. Especially for this device that boasts a 'great screen' and the high price tag.

EarlZ said:
All upto you, I how ever prefer to enjoy my device as defect free as possible. Especially for this device that boasts a 'great screen' and the high price tag.
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True.
But I don't expect a device to be defect when it is just new.
Still there are also some people that say it is normal.
I also got a friend, he's a designer, and works with photoshop etc, and colors are very important to him.
I also told him about this issue, he said it happens more with screen, and it is seen as normal for these screens where it appears with.

joshoon said:
True.
But I don't expect a device to be defect when it is just new.
Still there are also some people that say it is normal.
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This is the reason why quality control is so random with samsung, people accepting defects as normal but dont let my expectations be yours as long as your happy with the device thats what is important.
joshoon said:
I also got a friend, he's a designer, and works with photoshop etc, and colors are very important to him.
I also told him about this issue, he said it happens more with screen, and it is seen as normal for these screens where it appears with.
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He does have a point normally a screen comes in warm,cool and neutral depending on the factory calibration. These things can be normal as long as the user accepts them to be.

EarlZ said:
This is the reason why quality control is so random with samsung, people accepting defects as normal but dont let my expectations be yours as long as your happy with the device thats what is important.
He does have a point normally a screen comes in warm,cool and neutral depending on the factory calibration. These things can be normal as long as the user accepts them to be.
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Clear enough
I'll see what I will do then
Thanks for your great answers!

No problem, Keep us posted on whatever you decide.

I've had four blue Galaxy Notes and one white and they all exhibit varying degrees of tint with some less noticeable than others. Some have a more warmish yellow tint while others are cooler with more of a blue tint. It was the same way on the Galaxy S2. The best you can hope for in getting a replacement is one that has a tint that's less noticeable or if you prefer a cooler tint to the warmer tint.

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I've had four blue Galaxy Notes and one white and they all exhibit varying degrees of tint with some less noticeable than others. Some have a more warmish yellow tint while others are cooler with more of a blue tint. It was the same way on the Galaxy S2. The best you can hope for in getting a replacement is one that has a tint that's less noticeable or if you prefer a cooler tint to the warmer tint.
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Yea well, I will live with it for now, because I love it too much to loose it, hehe.
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[Q] Screen A Disappointment?

Engadget's review is out and one of the negative things they had to say about the Optimus 4X was the screen. They say that the screen isn't bonded to the front glass, resulting to not having that "floating icons" feel and more importantly, poor viewing angles.

Where did you see "poor viewing angles"? I am watching the review right now and it says respectable viewing angles. Besides the screen is very bright.. At least in the GSMArena test..

18:20 of their video review. He didn't literally say "poor viewing angles", but I think that's what he means when he said "it just goes away". That's doesn't sound too "respectable".

I haven't noticed poor viewing angles at all. I can still see the screen at obscure angles.
Its no more or less visible at angles than my HTC Sensation was. IMHO, the screen is amazing on this device. Pin Sharp, natural colour reproduction, I have a wallpaper from Zedge of a forest with "God rays" shining through, looks simply amazing on this phone to me.

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I haven't noticed poor viewing angles at all. I can still see the screen at obscure angles.
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Don't the colors get washed out more and more as you look at the screen at increasing angles?

Not really no, a tiny bit maybe but not worse than my sensation. Id call it more of a tint than a wash out, and surely a phone is a single user device, why do viewing angles matter that much?
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I get your point but I would still want a screen with great viewing angles.

Sharpshooterrr said:
I get your point but I would still want a screen with great viewing angles.
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I think it does, to be honest, I was actually surprised how well I could see the screen from steep angles, considering what some have said.
The problem is, the best way to know if you will be happy is to see one in the flesh, but thats not so easy when it isnt available worldwide yet.

Sharpshooterrr said:
I get your point but I would still want a screen with great viewing angles.
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its not so bad tbh
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/61800751/VIDEO0002.3gp

stesa said:
its not so bad tbh
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/61800751/VIDEO0002.3gp
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Is that a One X on the right?

Sharpshooterrr said:
Is that a One X on the right?
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yes sir

Sharpshooterrr said:
I get your point but I would still want a screen with great viewing angles.
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honestly why would anyone look at their phone from a 170 degree angle or even just 90? worthless requirement, just to say mine is better than yours. when all viewing angles from left/right/top/bottom works and equally the same within the 0-20/30 degree viewing, its as good as it should.
As long as its sharp and true colours represented and details are there representing all colours as they should, i am happy.

I own the 4X and let me tell you the viewing angles are superb under normal light conditions. There is some visible glare under strong direct sunlight and viewing angles do become a bit worse but you won't have any trouble with it. It's quite good under direct sunlight.
For one I'm glad I choose 4x over S3 ore One X.

for me the 4x have the best display,very high ppi, i like the galaxy s3,but dont like the super amoled just because its a pentile display and the pixel are not tru hd

justrayen said:
for me the 4x have the best display,very high ppi, i like the galaxy s3,but dont like the super amoled just because its a pentile display and the pixel are not tru hd
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What's worse is all Amoleds have burn in or image retention that will happen in about a year or so.

What's worse is all Amoleds have burn in or image retention that will happen in about a year or so.
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Not convinced by this. I'm thinking of updating from an HTC Desire, which has an AMOLED, and it's beautiful. I have no problems with burn in. Maybe that happens if you leave the screen on for a couple of weeks on the same image, but that's hardly likely.
One of my big concerns is the 4x screen won't look as good in comparison. What's the brightness like anyone?

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Not convinced by this. I'm thinking of updating from an HTC Desire, which has an AMOLED, and it's beautiful. I have no problems with burn in. Maybe that happens if you leave the screen on for a couple of weeks on the same image, but that's hardly likely.
One of my big concerns is the 4x screen won't look as good in comparison. What's the brightness like anyone?
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I did exatly what you're thinking about!!
I've had the HTC Desire for a little over 2 years, and bought the 4x a couple of weeks ago.
Yes the Desire has a good screen, but the one on the 4x i way better!!
I always used the autobrightnes on the Desire, but it was often very hard to see the screen in the sunshine.
On the 4x the autobrightness works a little different. You set a base point, and the autobrightness changes relative to that.
That way it doesn't turn the brightness all the way up or all the way down.
I've set it to a base point of 20% brightness, at it gives me a screen that are easier to read outside then the desire ever did.
So if the screen is you only worry, go right ahead and buy the 4x. It's a big improvement over your HTC Desire.
The only thing I miss from the Desire is the notification LED (and ofcouse ROOT, but I'm sure that will come soon!!! :laugh: )

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Not convinced by this. ... What's the brightness like anyone?
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i had a SAMSUNG GALAXY S with S-AMOLED before the O4X.
Amoled screens have perfect blacks , but those of the SGS and the Desire have also wrong "funky" colors
The le LG screen does not have perfect blacks, but is brighter , sharper (because of the pentile matrix, there is no amoled that sharp on the market) and has realistic colors.
talking about angle . what i can say is that i can watch the film, or read any message of someone sitting next to me ...
so for me the angle is not an issue: at an extreme position, it becomes dark, but the angle is so wide that, even if it could be clearer, it would also be unreadable with any type of screen technology.

m_primdahl said:
I did exatly what you're thinking about!! ... So if the screen is you only worry, go right ahead and buy the 4x. It's a big improvement over your HTC Desire.
The only thing I miss from the Desire is the notification LED (and ofcouse ROOT, but I'm sure that will come soon!!! :laugh: )
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Cheers for the detailed reply. Nice to know it's better in sunlight, because I always found the Desire was awful.
I tend not to use auto-brightness though in fear of it draining the battery to much. I just had my Desire at 15% and that worked fine in most situations, except bright outdoors
Once your battery is low and you put your phone on charge, what sort of screen-on time do you normally have? I found typically I'd have 2 hours of screen-time from my Desire by the end of a day, 15 hours or so off the charger, and that would be about 20% battery remaining. What's it like for the 4x?
Unfortunately the LED is probably the biggest killer for me then. I love having the light on the Desire, especially since I've got it rooted and Handcent can use blue and pink and stuff. Looks awesome I know one isn't supposed to play the waiting game, but I'd hate it if I bought the 4x and then in 2 months time, a phone with similar specs and an LED came out :S
Such difficult decisions...

The Nexus 4 has one of the WORST screens ever! even with calibrated roms!

Well ive owned many high end Android devices like the Gnex, GS3, HOX, Note 2, Optimus G and just last week I had the oportunity to get the Nexus 4 for a trully great price so I went for it. After reading all about it on the web, I was very anxious to get my hands on it and when I finally did... WHAT A DISSAPOINTMENT! let me elaborate...
The device build quality and design is great, I really like the form factor, materials used, overall design. The clean Android OS is superb, and something that other manufacturers should copy instead of giving us all sort of useless bloatware...
Now to the screen.... that GOD-AWFUL-SCREEN.! I cant beleive that a high end device like this has such a poor screen! out of the box the colors are so washed out and dull, the viewing angles are also terrible. I went to google and did a little research and finally installed some roms with calibrated screen settings and the colors definetely improved, but the viewing angles did not, even if you tilt the screen a little bit to the left or to the right the blacks become white (like my cheapo $25- candybar motorola phone). I find this totally unaceptable and going to sell this ASAP. Its really a pitty, because I was so looking forward to getting this phone. But in my case the screen is the most important part of the phone and this screen is just so sub-par. What I dont get is that this is supossed to be the same screen as the Optimus G, but comon, theyre not even close!!

The viewing angles really aren't the best but the screen itself when you look straight at it is pretty good in my opinion.
But thanks for your 2 cents!

You should sell it to me for a good price
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rest0ck said:
The viewing angles really aren't the best but the screen itself when you look straight at it is pretty good in my opinion.
But thanks for your 2 cents!
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Yes, with the custom rom that I installed the colors improved a lot, but the viewing angles remained terrible! what I really dont get is that this is supossed to be the same screen as the optimus G right? the OG had GREAT viewing angles! how can this be??

On principle I too think the viewing angles are unacceptable....I was shocked when I saw them really. Reviews seemed to gloss over them and some had the nerve to say they were good. lulz No.
With all that being said when I wasn't testing the viewing angles and just used the phone as I normally world, the screen looked good, if not a little washed out.
I only had it for a day then sold it.
So yeah, they suck when you look for them but straight on as I imagine most use thier phone, its all good.
I have a Note 2 but still tempted to have stock goodness along side. How much are you selling yours for out of curiosity?
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ferrojasaguilar said:
Yes, with the custom rom that I installed the colors improved a lot, but the viewing angles remained terrible! what I really dont get is that this is supossed to be the same screen as the optimus G right? the OG had GREAT viewing angles! how can this be??
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Well ... All i can say is.
Price will not lie ...

Got 2 release ones here. Lovely screens, best ive ever had with great viewing angles.
Guess LG changed production after losing too much money.

Definitely worse than my mytouch 3g.
In all seriousness, its a $300 phone, so you get what u pay for. viewing angle is not a problem with me if I look at it from straight ahead, and there's utilities to change the color and gamma.
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ferrojasaguilar said:
Well ive owned many high end Android devices like the Gnex, GS3, HOX, Note 2, Optimus G and just last week I had the oportunity to get the Nexus 4 for a trully great price so I went for it. After reading all about it on the web, I was very anxious to get my hands on it and when I finally did... WHAT A DISSAPOINTMENT! let me elaborate...
The device build quality and design is great, I really like the form factor, materials used, overall design. The clean Android OS is superb, and something that other manufacturers should copy instead of giving us all sort of useless bloatware...
Now to the screen.... that GOD-AWFUL-SCREEN.! I cant beleive that a high end device like this has such a poor screen! out of the box the colors are so washed out and dull, the viewing angles are also terrible. I went to google and did a little research and finally installed some roms with calibrated screen settings and the colors definetely improved, but the viewing angles did not, even if you tilt the screen a little bit to the left or to the right the blacks become white (like my cheapo $25- candybar motorola phone). I find this totally unaceptable and going to sell this ASAP. Its really a pitty, because I was so looking forward to getting this phone. But in my case the screen is the most important part of the phone and this screen is just so sub-par. What I dont get is that this is supossed to be the same screen as the Optimus G, but comon, theyre not even close!!
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Sorry to burst bubble but any phone made by samsung is not high end...expensive doesnt mean high end...and I wouldnt consider 5 to be many also..
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ferris2375 said:
On principle I too think the viewing angles are unacceptable....I was shocked when I saw them really. Reviews seemed to gloss over them and some had the nerve to say they were good. lulz No.
With all that being said when I wasn't testing the viewing angles and just used the phone as I normally world, the screen looked good, if not a little washed out.
I only had it for a day then sold it.
So yeah, they suck when you look for them but straight on as I imagine most use thier phone, its all good.
I have a Note 2 but still tempted to have stock goodness along side. How much are you selling yours for out of curiosity?
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Wanna trade?? LOL

pak-stars said:
Sorry to burst bubble but any phone made by samsung is not high end...expensive doesnt mean high end...and I wouldnt consider 5 to be many also..
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Well i have a Droid Dna, i had an iphone 5... Are those high end enough for you? Every one of those destroys the nexus 4 screen. Thats MY opinion.

ferrojasaguilar said:
Well ive owned many high end Android devices like the Gnex, GS3, HOX, Note 2, Optimus G and just last week I had the oportunity to get the Nexus 4 for a trully great price so I went for it. After reading all about it on the web, I was very anxious to get my hands on it and when I finally did... WHAT A DISSAPOINTMENT! let me elaborate...
The device build quality and design is great, I really like the form factor, materials used, overall design. The clean Android OS is superb, and something that other manufacturers should copy instead of giving us all sort of useless bloatware...
Now to the screen.... that GOD-AWFUL-SCREEN.! I cant beleive that a high end device like this has such a poor screen! out of the box the colors are so washed out and dull, the viewing angles are also terrible. I went to google and did a little research and finally installed some roms with calibrated screen settings and the colors definetely improved, but the viewing angles did not, even if you tilt the screen a little bit to the left or to the right the blacks become white (like my cheapo $25- candybar motorola phone). I find this totally unaceptable and going to sell this ASAP. Its really a pitty, because I was so looking forward to getting this phone. But in my case the screen is the most important part of the phone and this screen is just so sub-par. What I dont get is that this is supossed to be the same screen as the Optimus G, but comon, theyre not even close!!
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Thank you for your contribution to xda. Please continue development for the community.
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Imma mad too about viewing angles I want someone on the elevator to be able to read off the screen and when my boys are over its too hard for eight of us to watch netflix together off my phone.
They better fix this with ota
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weird. my viewing angles are great. the screen is at least on par with iphones after its calibrated. its hard to even look at my gs2 screen after using this, i wonder how i used it for a whole year

What app do you use to calibrate the screen?
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What app do you use to calibrate the screen?
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Well someone recomended I install the PARANOID ANDROID 3.1 Rom along with the contrasty/bright kernels. Colors definetely improved, but viewing angles remained terrible...

Please go post your opinions on your blog or in the comment section of Engadget.
I've also closed your thread in Optimus G General.

When are the displays going to improve?

Saw a brand new Z1 and unboxed it instore in phones4u, and the screen was perfect.
So i jumped the gun and ordered one for my wife from phones.co.uk.
Arrived this morning and tested the display, very good looking head on, but viewing angles are horrendous.
Im in two minds about keeping this, my wife probably not going to be bothered about the viewing angles so i may keep it, but this is a serious flaw in an otherwise amazing handset. Not yet checked camera or anything, this is supposed to be a surprise so dont want it to look used!
If I return it, how long should i wait before getting another one in hope of getting a better display?
Also, where is the fanboy that insisted retail units would be fine and crappy screens were restricted to pre production samples?

You bought the device knowing it had bad viewing angles and making a thread about when it is getting better lol
I'm sure you can answer your own question. You're one funny guy.
So you bought it for your wife. But your using it. So let your wife use it and let her decide. Again you bought it for her.
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Pictures?

+1
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Theres no point in opening this kind of threads as sony is not going to come and comment on when the displays will improve..u looked the z1 and u ordered it its ur fault dnt blame sony
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I really don't understand how people can say a screen is bad based on it's viewing angles. I mean, come on! What kind of angles are we talking about? Don't you look at the phone straight on?
I find it useful for me, I don't like people having a peek at what I'm doing... But definitely the screen itself isn't bad, viewing angles are a subjective topic!

kashppo said:
I really don't understand how people can say a screen is bad based on it's viewing angles. I mean, come on! What kind of angles are we talking about? Don't you look at the phone straight on?
I find it useful for me, I don't like people having a peek at what I'm doing... But definitely the screen itself isn't bad, viewing angles are a subjective topic!
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I think it's just because this determines the quality of a display in general. Sony is putting low-quality TN matrices into their devices and that's a phenomenon in mobile world today because all the other manufacturers are using more advanced displays in their high-end devices (HTC, Nokia, LG, Apple - IPS, Samsung, Nokia - OLED). It's not good when you tilt the phone 30 degs. and see strong color degradation. It's not that you look at the screen at an angle all the time but even if you look 5% of the time you want the picture to be good. It's hard to spend money on this device knowing it lacks in this important aspect. This is more strange because the older Z Ultra has better display (IPS probably?).
I also understand this may not be a problem for some and I generally find the Z1 very nice device but waiting impatiently for Sony to improve the display tech.

kashppo said:
I really don't understand how people can say a screen is bad based on it's viewing angles. I mean, come on! What kind of angles are we talking about? Don't you look at the phone straight on?
I find it useful for me, I don't like people having a peek at what I'm doing... But definitely the screen itself isn't bad, viewing angles are a subjective topic!
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Well if the phone is on a table or you're using the phone while lying on bad (just two examples), naturally the phone won't be dead-on your face.

tom369 said:
I think it's just because this determines the quality of a display in general. Sony is putting low-quality TN matrices into their devices and that's a phenomenon in mobile world today because all the other manufacturers are using more advanced displays in their high-end devices (HTC, Nokia, LG, Apple - IPS, Samsung, Nokia - OLED). It's not good when you tilt the phone 30 degs. and see strong color degradation. It's not that you look at the screen at an angle all the time but even if you look 5% of the time you want the picture to be good. It's hard to spend money on this device knowing it lacks in this important aspect. This is more strange because the older Z Ultra has better display (IPS probably?).
I also understand this may not be a problem for some and I generally find the Z1 very nice device but waiting impatiently for Sony to improve the display tech.
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One thing people dont understand is that OLED is not water proof, deteriorates very fast... and sun legibility is next to 0...
FYI Sony is not using TN display they are using VA...

I still don't understand people's complain about this viewing angle thing. I have used Samsung, HTC phones and Sony Z1. I have no complaint about it sdisplay. Viewing angle is good, may not be the best but it is quite good. This is waterproof phone, which means they have to use different display that is not used by non-waterproof phone. Some trade-offs have to be made in order to make electronic device waterproof. You can either have the best waterproof phone or best display phone, not both.

Sitti01 said:
I still don't understand people's complain about this viewing angle thing. I have used Samsung, HTC phones and Sony Z1. I have no complaint about it sdisplay. Viewing angle is good, may not be the best but it is quite good. This is waterproof phone, which means they have to use different display that is not used by non-waterproof phone. Some trade-offs have to be made in order to make electronic device waterproof. You can either have the best waterproof phone or best display phone, not both.
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I totally agree with each and every word you said! :good: :good:

Sitti01 said:
I still don't understand people's complain about this viewing angle thing. I have used Samsung, HTC phones and Sony Z1. I have no complaint about it sdisplay. Viewing angle is good, may not be the best but it is quite good. This is waterproof phone, which means they have to use different display that is not used by non-waterproof phone. Some trade-offs have to be made in order to make electronic device waterproof. You can either have the best waterproof phone or best display phone, not both.
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Lol what a bunch of bullocks. How would you explain then the Z Ultra superior viewing angles despite being waterproof as well?

Sitti01 said:
I still don't understand people's complain about this viewing angle thing. I have used Samsung, HTC phones and Sony Z1. I have no complaint about it sdisplay. Viewing angle is good, may not be the best but it is quite good. This is waterproof phone, which means they have to use different display that is not used by non-waterproof phone. Some trade-offs have to be made in order to make electronic device waterproof. You can either have the best waterproof phone or best display phone, not both.
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This is a load of rubbish, it does not have a poor screen because it is water proof - there are z1's out there with an amazing screen. Unfortunately its a bit of a lottery which type you end up with. The one i saw in the shop was perfect, mine, not so much.

rarsi123 said:
This is a load of rubbish, it does not have a poor screen because it is water proof - there are z1's out there with an amazing screen. Unfortunately its a bit of a lottery which type you end up with. The one i saw in the shop was perfect, mine, not so much.
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To be honest this thread is total rubbish.
Viewing angles, how many people want to look at the phone in any other way than being head on is beyond a joke! But I want to share a movie with me mate or gf, really? It's your bloody phone, it was designed to be looked at head on, not tilted and not really for sharing, we have things called TV's for sharing movies etc.
Another bloody useless thread for whinging babies!!!!
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Morlock O said:
One thing people dont understand is that OLED is not water proof, deteriorates very fast... and sun legibility is next to 0...
FYI Sony is not using TN display they are using VA...
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Like the display type governs whether or not the phone is waterproof.
Waterproofing is something sony has added to their phone, regardless of display type. And yes, the screens in Sony handsets are poor compared to the competition, but not everyone is bothered by this.
I for one can't stand when black is never black but grey, turning more towards light grey if you just tilt it a few degrees.

Apoxx said:
Like the display type governs whether or not the phone is waterproof.
Waterproofing is something sony has added to their phone, regardless of display type. And yes, the screens in Sony handsets are poor compared to the competition, but not everyone is bothered by this.
I for one can't stand when black is never black but grey, turning more towards light grey if you just tilt it a few degrees.
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and what do you have to say about yellow turning green
http://timg.eprice.com.tw/tw/mobile..._3_SONY-_1337411f4c51a1320ad7f7ed2c7dea2a.jpg
and red turning brown
http://timg.eprice.com.tw/tw/mobile..._3_SONY-_e112861da9ad118250cf01daceedd6f8.jpg
sauce
http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/4551/4881355/1/rv/sony-xperia-z1-i1-Honami-review/
if Z1 display is horrible I say OLED is also a scam.

rarsi123 said:
Saw a brand new Z1 and unboxed it instore in phones4u, and the screen was perfect.
So i jumped the gun and ordered one for my wife from phones.co.uk.
Arrived this morning and tested the display, very good looking head on, but viewing angles are horrendous.
Im in two minds about keeping this, my wife probably not going to be bothered about the viewing angles so i may keep it, but this is a serious flaw in an otherwise amazing handset. Not yet checked camera or anything, this is supposed to be a surprise so dont want it to look used!
If I return it, how long should i wait before getting another one in hope of getting a better display?
Also, where is the fanboy that insisted retail units would be fine and crappy screens were restricted to pre production samples?
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I don't see so much this problem, I'm not using my phone as a TV so view angles are important and the screen is super usable, as said before what I like more than anything else is its LUMINOSITY, is the ONLY phone that can beat the iPhone (actually the best one) under the sun. I prefer less view angles and be able to use my phone outside. That without consider that the screen has really nice colors (and realistic)

ianford10 said:
To be honest this thread is total rubbish.
Viewing angles, how many people want to look at the phone in any other way than being head on is beyond a joke! But I want to share a movie with me mate or gf, really? It's your bloody phone, it was designed to be looked at head on, not tilted and not really for sharing, we have things called TV's for sharing movies etc.
Another bloody useless thread for whinging babies!!!!
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I've been using my Z1 for like 2 weeks now.. Personally, viewing angles are a bit worse compared to the S3 but I still am quite easily able to read stuff at an angle. The yellow hue issue is placeboo really speaking... I have no issue with it to be honest...

Sean473 said:
I've been using my Z1 for like 2 weeks now.. Personally, viewing angles are a bit worse compared to the S3 but I still am quite easily able to read stuff at an angle. The yellow hue issue is placeboo really speaking... I have no issue with it to be honest...
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I can assure you there is a problem with the screen as I have both the xperia z1 and the xperia z and my xperia z has a far better screen with more contrast and colour. I am taking mine in and will be showing them both phones so they can see how bad the screen is.

The OP has spammed and run. delete the thread from the HTC employee.