Engadget's review is out and one of the negative things they had to say about the Optimus 4X was the screen. They say that the screen isn't bonded to the front glass, resulting to not having that "floating icons" feel and more importantly, poor viewing angles.
Where did you see "poor viewing angles"? I am watching the review right now and it says respectable viewing angles. Besides the screen is very bright.. At least in the GSMArena test..
18:20 of their video review. He didn't literally say "poor viewing angles", but I think that's what he means when he said "it just goes away". That's doesn't sound too "respectable".
I haven't noticed poor viewing angles at all. I can still see the screen at obscure angles.
Its no more or less visible at angles than my HTC Sensation was. IMHO, the screen is amazing on this device. Pin Sharp, natural colour reproduction, I have a wallpaper from Zedge of a forest with "God rays" shining through, looks simply amazing on this phone to me.
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I haven't noticed poor viewing angles at all. I can still see the screen at obscure angles.
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Don't the colors get washed out more and more as you look at the screen at increasing angles?
Not really no, a tiny bit maybe but not worse than my sensation. Id call it more of a tint than a wash out, and surely a phone is a single user device, why do viewing angles matter that much?
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I get your point but I would still want a screen with great viewing angles.
Sharpshooterrr said:
I get your point but I would still want a screen with great viewing angles.
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I think it does, to be honest, I was actually surprised how well I could see the screen from steep angles, considering what some have said.
The problem is, the best way to know if you will be happy is to see one in the flesh, but thats not so easy when it isnt available worldwide yet.
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I get your point but I would still want a screen with great viewing angles.
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its not so bad tbh
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/61800751/VIDEO0002.3gp
stesa said:
its not so bad tbh
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/61800751/VIDEO0002.3gp
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Is that a One X on the right?
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Is that a One X on the right?
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yes sir
Sharpshooterrr said:
I get your point but I would still want a screen with great viewing angles.
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honestly why would anyone look at their phone from a 170 degree angle or even just 90? worthless requirement, just to say mine is better than yours. when all viewing angles from left/right/top/bottom works and equally the same within the 0-20/30 degree viewing, its as good as it should.
As long as its sharp and true colours represented and details are there representing all colours as they should, i am happy.
I own the 4X and let me tell you the viewing angles are superb under normal light conditions. There is some visible glare under strong direct sunlight and viewing angles do become a bit worse but you won't have any trouble with it. It's quite good under direct sunlight.
For one I'm glad I choose 4x over S3 ore One X.
for me the 4x have the best display,very high ppi, i like the galaxy s3,but dont like the super amoled just because its a pentile display and the pixel are not tru hd
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for me the 4x have the best display,very high ppi, i like the galaxy s3,but dont like the super amoled just because its a pentile display and the pixel are not tru hd
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What's worse is all Amoleds have burn in or image retention that will happen in about a year or so.
What's worse is all Amoleds have burn in or image retention that will happen in about a year or so.
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Not convinced by this. I'm thinking of updating from an HTC Desire, which has an AMOLED, and it's beautiful. I have no problems with burn in. Maybe that happens if you leave the screen on for a couple of weeks on the same image, but that's hardly likely.
One of my big concerns is the 4x screen won't look as good in comparison. What's the brightness like anyone?
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Not convinced by this. I'm thinking of updating from an HTC Desire, which has an AMOLED, and it's beautiful. I have no problems with burn in. Maybe that happens if you leave the screen on for a couple of weeks on the same image, but that's hardly likely.
One of my big concerns is the 4x screen won't look as good in comparison. What's the brightness like anyone?
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I did exatly what you're thinking about!!
I've had the HTC Desire for a little over 2 years, and bought the 4x a couple of weeks ago.
Yes the Desire has a good screen, but the one on the 4x i way better!!
I always used the autobrightnes on the Desire, but it was often very hard to see the screen in the sunshine.
On the 4x the autobrightness works a little different. You set a base point, and the autobrightness changes relative to that.
That way it doesn't turn the brightness all the way up or all the way down.
I've set it to a base point of 20% brightness, at it gives me a screen that are easier to read outside then the desire ever did.
So if the screen is you only worry, go right ahead and buy the 4x. It's a big improvement over your HTC Desire.
The only thing I miss from the Desire is the notification LED (and ofcouse ROOT, but I'm sure that will come soon!!! :laugh: )
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Not convinced by this. ... What's the brightness like anyone?
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i had a SAMSUNG GALAXY S with S-AMOLED before the O4X.
Amoled screens have perfect blacks , but those of the SGS and the Desire have also wrong "funky" colors
The le LG screen does not have perfect blacks, but is brighter , sharper (because of the pentile matrix, there is no amoled that sharp on the market) and has realistic colors.
talking about angle . what i can say is that i can watch the film, or read any message of someone sitting next to me ...
so for me the angle is not an issue: at an extreme position, it becomes dark, but the angle is so wide that, even if it could be clearer, it would also be unreadable with any type of screen technology.
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I did exatly what you're thinking about!! ... So if the screen is you only worry, go right ahead and buy the 4x. It's a big improvement over your HTC Desire.
The only thing I miss from the Desire is the notification LED (and ofcouse ROOT, but I'm sure that will come soon!!! :laugh: )
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Cheers for the detailed reply. Nice to know it's better in sunlight, because I always found the Desire was awful.
I tend not to use auto-brightness though in fear of it draining the battery to much. I just had my Desire at 15% and that worked fine in most situations, except bright outdoors
Once your battery is low and you put your phone on charge, what sort of screen-on time do you normally have? I found typically I'd have 2 hours of screen-time from my Desire by the end of a day, 15 hours or so off the charger, and that would be about 20% battery remaining. What's it like for the 4x?
Unfortunately the LED is probably the biggest killer for me then. I love having the light on the Desire, especially since I've got it rooted and Handcent can use blue and pink and stuff. Looks awesome I know one isn't supposed to play the waiting game, but I'd hate it if I bought the 4x and then in 2 months time, a phone with similar specs and an LED came out :S
Such difficult decisions...
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I've heard so many mixed perspectives.
The way I see it, S-OLED should be the best in the bunch.
Followed by OLED and then TFT..
I've heard about the nexus display looking "unnatural" from engadget, whatever that means..
Some people are saying that the upcoming sprint evo 4g has a brighter and simply better (4.3") screen.
Apart from the size, the screen technology is just TFT.
In the computer LCD world, i have heard more bad than good about TFT, so what's the deal?
Right now I have a 24" 1080p TFT LCD Monitor, and I think it's beautiful.
I haven't had much to compare it to though.
It's not the greatest screen I've seen, but it's definitely nice.
I have both an HD2 and a Nexus One. The HD2 has a 4.3" TFT display and looks gorgeous. It doesn't have a very defined pixel grid look that you can see if you stare at your Nexus One up close, so it looks more blended.
On the flip side, the Nexus One's vibrancy is hands down better. While watching movies on the HD2, I loved the size of the image, but to be honest, I prefer the color of the Nexus One's screen.
Outside in the sunlight, the HD2 wins. It still gets horrible glare, but no where near as bad as the Nexus One.
With all of that being said, I prefer the Nexus One's screen. Not going to talk about the size differences and their pros and cons, because that's a separate subject altogether. I'm mostly indoors for my job, and being a graphics designer, I enjoy the contrast that the OLED screen can deliver. It's not exactly color accurate, but since this is a phone and not being used as a design device, it doesn't matter...it looks gorgeous. So long as people don't appear as orange aliens, I enjoy the contrast. (Go stare at some of the TVs on display in major retail stores...they jack the contrast up to ridiculous levels to try to wow the viewer, but make things look downright stupid)
I see, that's pretty much like I expected.
The OLED displays will have a more pixel grid display because each pixel is actually a tiny LED. For me that's fine, as long as its not blatant.
So then the best choice would probably be AMOLED that's good in sunlight aka super amoled.
Have you tried playing with the brightness in the sunlight?
I haven't actually experienced an amoled screen yet, but i would think that if you turned the brightness up to max it would like quite okay in the sun.
At least that's how my G1 (TFT LCD) was.
Thanks for the input btw!
From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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I have both an HD2 and a Nexus One. The HD2 has a 4.3" TFT display and looks gorgeous. It doesn't have a very defined pixel grid look that you can see if you stare at your Nexus One up close, so it looks more blended.
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isnt the supersonics screen a little brighter and more vibrant than the hd2? it sure seemed soo in the pictures and videos i saw
I have the two available high-end android devices - the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid, though with non-unlockable bootloader :-( ) and the Nexus One.
The 'stone has a 854x480 TFT, and the N1 has an 800x480 AMOLED.
Inside, the N1 screen wins - it is incredibly bright, less battery hungry, and has notably better contrast. The Milestone is good, but the N1 is better.
Another N1 advantage is that, even though both screens are 3.7 inches, the milestone is taller and narrower in portrait mode, making the portrait-mode keyboard harder to use for those of us with freakishly-large hands.
Outside, however, it just isn't even close. The Milestone is the best color screen I've ever seen on a large screen phone under bright light. It is absolutely usable in bright sunlight - you can take photos, check out a youtube video, read your RSS feeds, tweets, maps, whatever with absolutely no problem at all. The N1 is almost unusable in direct sunlight - there is just too much glare from the substrate and touch layers. And if you are also wearing sunglasses, forget it, you can't see a thing. Even an iPhone 3GS or iPod Touch (3rd gen) are mush less readable in bright conditions than the Milestone.
Samsung's new S-AMOLED is meant to bond the touch layer into the AMOLED surface directly, taking out a glare / difraction / etc. layer, and making the screen good in bright light. I have my doubts that it will be as good as a strong TFT in those conditions, but we'll see. It will certainly be thinner, better indoors and less power hungry
I don't have yet a N1 but I had the samsung Jet back in fall ,it had an amoled screen. It was quite good under sunlight,colors are washed out but you can clearly read SMS text or use the menu.
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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I see, that's pretty much like I expected.
The OLED displays will have a more pixel grid display because each pixel is actually a tiny LED. For me that's fine, as long as its not blatant.
So then the best choice would probably be AMOLED that's good in sunlight aka super amoled.
Have you tried playing with the brightness in the sunlight?
I haven't actually experienced an amoled screen yet, but i would think that if you turned the brightness up to max it would like quite okay in the sun.
At least that's how my G1 (TFT LCD) was.
Thanks for the input btw!
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Yeah, even with the Nexus One set to 100%, the readability is around the HD2 with 50-60% brightness outside. Thankfully it is only a problem in direct sunlight.
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isnt the supersonics screen a little brighter and more vibrant than the hd2? it sure seemed soo in the pictures and videos i saw
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I believe they are the same screen in both devices, but could be wrong. We'll have to wait until they can do a proper side by side with the exact same lightness settings.
A 4.3" Super AMOLED screen would be nice. I would never buy a phone with a bigger display than that, because it would become uncomfortable to use, and at that point, you might as well just buy a tablet.
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From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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I would suggest you have a screen that is defective if it has really noticeable colour deviations.
Obviously it's not a properly colour calibrated display, but everything looks perfectly natural on mine (skin tones etc), with no significant over saturation or hue shifts.
yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
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yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
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There are anti-glare protectors that help eliminate some of the glare by dispursing it better, but even then it's still pretty bad. The main issue is due to having no backlight like a TFT.
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I would suggest you have a screen that is defective if it has really noticeable colour deviations.
Obviously it's not a properly colour calibrated display, but everything looks perfectly natural on mine (skin tones etc), with no significant over saturation or hue shifts.
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No, there is nothing wrong with the colour calibration. Girlfriend has also got a Nexus and I have seen others and even on photos here on the internet you can see the unnatural colours of the screen.
Have a look at the first post where you can find the question, if it were true that the colours are unnatural referring to Engadget. And yes, the colours are unnatural. I like the Nexus, do not get me wrong, but I do not like the colours of AMOLED screens. They are awful.
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yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
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There are definitely protectors that do that, but I don't like the feel of anything but glass on a touch screen.. That's just me though.
Hey I noticed in your sig that you have an iphone and nexus, how would you compare the two? The screen and everything else (you should make another thread for that though).
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Yeah, even with the Nexus One set to 100%, the readability is around the HD2 with 50-60% brightness outside. Thankfully it is only a problem in direct sunlight.
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Damn that's pretty bad, cause with the TFT on my G1 I always had to turn it up to max to get a decent display.
So assuming the HD2 is similar (same technology), then AMOLED must be pretty bad in sunlight.
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I don't have yet a N1 but I had the samsung Jet back in fall ,it had an amoled screen. It was quite good under sunlight,colors are washed out but you can clearly read SMS text or use the menu.
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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Lol, spy pics.
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I have the two available high-end android devices - the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid, though with non-unlockable bootloader :-( ) and the Nexus One.
The 'stone has a 854x480 TFT, and the N1 has an 800x480 AMOLED.
Inside, the N1 screen wins - it is incredibly bright, less battery hungry, and has notably better contrast. The Milestone is good, but the N1 is better.
Another N1 advantage is that, even though both screens are 3.7 inches, the milestone is taller and narrower in portrait mode, making the portrait-mode keyboard harder to use for those of us with freakishly-large hands.
Outside, however, it just isn't even close. The Milestone is the best color screen I've ever seen on a large screen phone under bright light. It is absolutely usable in bright sunlight - you can take photos, check out a youtube video, read your RSS feeds, tweets, maps, whatever with absolutely no problem at all. The N1 is almost unusable in direct sunlight - there is just too much glare from the substrate and touch layers. And if you are also wearing sunglasses, forget it, you can't see a thing. Even an iPhone 3GS or iPod Touch (3rd gen) are mush less readable in bright conditions than the Milestone.
Samsung's new S-AMOLED is meant to bond the touch layer into the AMOLED surface directly, taking out a glare / difraction / etc. layer, and making the screen good in bright light. I have my doubts that it will be as good as a strong TFT in those conditions, but we'll see. It will certainly be thinner, better indoors and less power hungry
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I know the AMOLED's are pretty great indoors, but when you say incredibly bright... If viewing late at night in bed for example, is it too bright even on the lowest setting?
I'd like a phone that can be very dim or very bright.
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From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
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Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
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i personally love it..the colors pop out they look gorgeous
Compared to TFT capacitive screens Amoled are less good under sunlight but they are still usable and certainly much more than HTC WM phones like Diamond and Touch HD
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Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
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You seem to put a lot of faith in what Engadget says. I'm not saying that everything is perfectly flat, but I have a few hundred perfectly-exposed photos from my Nikon D90, all taken with pro glass, on my Nexus, and the colors are not bad at all. They are, well, let's call them "well saturated", but nothing remotely unpleasant - to be honest, given the tiny screen (I take photos be be blown up BIG), the saturation is probably an advantage. And they look notably, even considerably better on the N1 than on an iPhone / iPod touch third-gen.
All of that is my opinion - and I like saturated colors. But I also like skin that still looks like skin, and the N1 delivers that to my eyes.
Gee, didn't I say that it is my opinion and that others might think differently? What you call saturated colours I call unnatural and for me and maybe only for me the colours are an eyesore, but I like the Nexus nevertheless.
big_adventure, you gave me a thought.
I think the best way to really compare these technologies is to have the same image of something, like a HQ picture of your skin.
On both of the phones.
Then compare the output to eachother and to the real life color of your skin.
I said to compare to eachother because a cameras snapshot can change the color, flash, settings, and what not.
Sounds stupid, but maybe what some people define as unnatural on a display, is actually quite natural.
Don't compare how the android OS looks, compare an image within the OS.
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Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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Well, if you are going to be wandering around a beach at midnight you probably won't run into too many girls to take pictures of. And they'd probably notice the flash going off so it wouldn't be much of a "spy shot".
(Edit: To be fair, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock#Confusion_at_noon_and_midnight mentions that am/pm by definition don't make any sense for noon and midnight and are thus often confused. But, the sources it quotes that do assign meaning to 12am and 12pm all seem to call 12am midnight and 12pm noon. It's probably why most of the parking signs in SF are now starting to use "12:01am" when they want to talk about late night street cleaning restrictions...that, and the fact that 12am is also ambiguous as to whether it refers to the start of a day or the end of a day...)
What are these screens supposed to look like? Mine seems OK except the touchscreen goes unresponsive at times. Also, colors are pretty dull and this thing has greys and gamma like a much inferior screen. Didn't reviews say the screen had great blacks, etc? I font have the ghost white hue glitch but it just seems generally washed out to me. Can others chime in?
Also, I know its a great deal so please don't flame, I want to just find out if others have a better experience or that mine is on the more defective end.
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What are these screens supposed to look like? Mine seems OK except the touchscreen goes unresponsive at times. Also, colors are pretty dull and this thing has greys and gamma like a much inferior screen. Didn't reviews say the screen had great blacks, etc? I font have the ghost white hue glitch but it just seems generally washed out to me. Can others chime in?
Also, I know its a great deal so please don't flame, I want to just find out if others have a better experience or that mine is on the more defective end.
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Everything you just said is highly subjective. I love my screen. I think it's great. You may look at it and say its washed out and generally inferior. If you can't post pictures, there's nothing anyone here can do to help you sir. Some people undoubtedly are coming from ultra-high-end screens and will find this one lacking. Most, I think, do not.
My camera doesn't pick it up well but the Black's are not all that dark. I just thought the colors would be a little more saturated. This screen really doesn't look much better than a nook tablet. Its got higher resolution but the color and gamma and blacks are about the same. I guess I will find out once the replacement comes due to the touch issues.
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I've owned many different devices and my n7 is a bit washed out but not bad given the price. Hoping nice more dev builds up we can start playing around with fine tuning the screen
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The screen is easily the Nexus 7's weakest link, but considering the price... it's awesome. It took a little bit to get used to coming from the iPad 3 and its absolutely glorious screen, but I couldn't be happier with my N7.
Glad I'm not the only one that noticed the screen. My biggest problem though is the occasional unresponsiveness of the touchscreen. I'll check on the differences when I get a replacement sent to me. Thanks all for the replies
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I only notice the screen not looking great when I turn down the brightness to about 10-20%. On full brightness it looks amazing though...but I can deal with a little less than vibrant colors on my day-to-day use in order to extend the battery life.
Just glad we have 1280 vs the 1024 the Galaxy Tab 2 7 is using which is just a no go.
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Jayrod1980 said:
What are these screens supposed to look like? Mine seems OK except the touchscreen goes unresponsive at times. Also, colors are pretty dull and this thing has greys and gamma like a much inferior screen. Didn't reviews say the screen had great blacks, etc? I font have the ghost white hue glitch but it just seems generally washed out to me. Can others chime in?
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Have you played the Transformers movie at 30% to 50% brightness because I was blown away by the display when I did that?
The washed out screen was too much for me. I own the galaxy nexus and going from a super AMOLED screen to IPS was very jarring. The light bleeding on the Nexus 7 was pretty bad too, and when you touch the screen you get the 'air pocket' effect. The panel is definitely the worst thing about the device. I got the Samsung galaxy tab 7.7 instead and put CM9 on it, so much happier that I get deep deep blacks and can use it in landscape mode as well. Overall it is a much better tablet, I actually prefer watching movies on it than my 46inch Bravia TV :laugh: Its a very surreal experience, you have to see it to truly understand how amazing it looks
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The washed out screen was too much for me. I own the galaxy nexus and going from a super AMOLED screen to IPS was very jarring. The light bleeding on the Nexus 7 was pretty bad too, and when you touch the screen you get the 'air pocket' effect. The panel is definitely the worst thing about the device. I got the Samsung galaxy tab 7.7 instead and put CM9 on it, so much happier that I get deep deep blacks and can use it in landscape mode as well. Overall it is a much better tablet, I actually prefer watching movies on it than my 46inch Bravia TV :laugh: Its a very surreal experience, you have to see it to truly understand how amazing it looks
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Mine looks amazing, I think you just got a bad device.
I personally love mine. The screen doesn't blow me away but it isn't bad at all. I would appreciate the screen more if I didn't own a One X
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Same for me, if I didn't own a HTC One X, this would be the best screen I've owned on an android device.
But the fact I have a Motorola Xoom too, my Nexus 7 screen is much better!
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N7 screen is in fact a bit dull and washed out, especially on lower brightness (the fact that automatic backlight is calibrated as pretty dim does not help either).
The colours are much, much less vibrant as on my One X (but this phone has really got a top-end gorgeous screen).
However, screen on N7 is noticeably better than on Motorola Xoom in terms of color reproduction and viewing angles.
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N7 screen is in fact a bit dull and washed out, especially on lower brightness (the fact that automatic backlight is calibrated as pretty dim does not help either).
The colours are much, much less vibrant as on my One X (but this phone has really got a top-end gorgeous screen).
However, screen on N7 is noticeably better than on Motorola Xoom in terms of color reproduction and viewing angles.
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Ok, I'll agree here on auto brightness.
It was also too dull & washed out for me.
However, 50% fixed brightness is actually very bright and makes the colours great in my opinion.
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Are colors better on tab 2 7.0?
Nexus 7 has no green
Two things I've noticed about my screen so far, that makes me wonder if we're dealing with defective screens rather than just plain poor quality ones.
First, load an app or picture onto the device that just displays pure 0,0,255 green (if you search for 'dead pixel' I think the first or second app has options to display a solid colour). I find my Nexus is completely unable to display the green properly, instead showing an extremely washed out pastel shade. I've tested this with red and blue and neither of those suffer anything like the same issue as green does. This might be what is contributing to the weird washed out/off-colour look.
Second, this is purely anecdotal, but it seems like the brightness setting of the Nexus is purely software after around the halfway mark. You can easily see the backlight ramping up from 0-50% but beyond that just seems to be a gamma change, which doesn't brighten the screen at all and instead just washes it out further.
If anyone could follow up on these and post their own tests we might be able to get a better idea of where the real issues with this tablet lie. Or whether mine is just a little bit more broken than everyone else's.
californiarailroader said:
Mine looks amazing, I think you just got a bad device.
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I didn't have a bad device, I had a problem with the IPS technology used in the Nexus 7. If you compare a Super AMOLED plus screen to IPS it looks washed out, and the blacks are pretty poor...Also, you will always get a little bit of light bleeding because of the technology.
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I didn't have a bad device, I had a problem with the IPS technology used in the Nexus 7. If you compare a Super AMOLED plus screen to IPS it looks washed out, and the blacks are pretty poor...Also, you will always get a little bit of light bleeding because of the technology.
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Well, mine still looks amazing. I have a Super AMOLED Plus screen on my Galaxy Note, this looks pretty darn close.
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First, load an app or picture onto the device that just displays pure 0,0,255 green (if you search for 'dead pixel' I think the first or second app has options to display a solid colour). I find my Nexus is completely unable to display the green properly, instead showing an extremely washed out pastel shade. I've tested this with red and blue and neither of those suffer anything like the same issue as green does. This might be what is contributing to the weird washed out/off-colour look.
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That's normal.
I've had my Nexus 4 a week now, I'm really enjoying it coming from a Desire HD, a very smooth experience. Although people keep saying the display is one of the best seen in a phone and I'm honestly not that blown away by it. I'm using Fauxclock to edit the display settings, I forgot what user-made settings I'm using.
Before the settings change I wasn't that impressed, afterwards I barely saw a difference, In-fact if I wasn't testing side by side I doubt I would be able to tell the difference.
I'm not saying it's a poor display, the only thing I compare it to is my own IPS monitor and my old Desire HD, it may be because I'm already conditioned to an IPS display in terms of colour and whatnot, that I'm not seeing this wow factor.
This is using auto-brightness and after having a look, I'm using sebacestmoi's settings. (248.240.240 23.22.22 7.7.7)
going from super crapoled on the G Nexus is an amazing screen upgrade imo ESPECIALLY outdoors
After it's calibrated it looks nice. I had a mytouch which had the same screen as the desire(i think) and I very much prefer this screen. The top screens are: HOX, SIII, Note II, and iPhone 5.
What is the best way to calibrate the nexus 4 screen?
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I've had my Nexus 4 a week now, I'm really enjoying it coming from a Desire HD, a very smooth experience. Although people keep saying the display is one of the best seen in a phone and I'm honestly not that blown away by it. I'm using Fauxclock to edit the display settings, I forgot what user-made settings I'm using.
Before the settings change I wasn't that impressed, afterwards I barely saw a difference, In-fact if I wasn't testing side by side I doubt I would be able to tell the difference.
I'm not saying it's a poor display, the only thing I compare it to is my own IPS monitor and my old Desire HD, it may be because I'm already conditioned to an IPS display in terms of colour and whatnot, that I'm not seeing this wow factor.
This is using auto-brightness and after having a look, I'm using sebacestmoi's settings. (248.240.240 23.22.22 7.7.7)
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It has the best LCD blacks on the market and features in-cell touch, so things on the screen look like they're floating. You can also do a better job of calibrating it. If you spend some time doing it, it's up there with the iPhone 5. That makes sense, since it's the same tech, but Apple does an extraordinary job of calibrating their displays.
I have a Desire HD too and it doesn't even compare. Blacks on the DHD are horrible and the colors are all dull. Stock Nexus 4 colors aren't any better, but if you mess with them they can be quite vibrant.
Sunlight performance is pretty ****ty on both displays.
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It´s funny, two years ago everyone was talking about how great Super AMOLED was. The Nexus S has two versions, one with Super AMOLED, the other with Super Clear LCD. Everyone thought S-AMOLED was way better. In my opinion, LCD has always been better, at least in terms of colors. Certainly back then, when AMOLED still had PenTile.
I can imagine that it´s hard to switch from an AMOLED screen to a LCD screen though, even if it´s IPS.
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It´s funny, two years ago everyone was talking about how great Super AMOLED was. The Nexus S has two versions, one with Super AMOLED, the other with Super Clear LCD. Everyone thought S-AMOLED was way better. In my opinion, LCD has always been better, at least in terms of colors. Certainly back then, when AMOLED still had PenTile.
I can imagine that it´s hard to switch from an AMOLED screen to a LCD screen though, even if it´s IPS.
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I prefer amoled to be honest. I have no problem in the sun viewing my galaxy nexus and the contrast is amazing as are the view angles. Theres also a lot more calibration potential in custom roms as your not just dealing with a backlight. I still like a good lcd panel though. I just don't understand why the nexus 4 and nexus 10 (especially) have such poor calibrations out of the factory. I don't care if the colors are accurate but the nexus 10 could barely even display the color purple at all when I had it. Theres no reason it shouldn't have been able to. Out of the factory both of these devices have shipped with terrible gamma curves and poor saturation. The fact they aren't calibrated them individually isn't the problem. They are calibrated wrongly.
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I prefer amoled to be honest. I have no problem in the sun viewing my galaxy nexus and the contrast is amazing as are the view angles. Theres also a lot more calibration potential in custom roms as your not just dealing with a backlight. I still like a good lcd panel though. I just don't understand why the nexus 4 and nexus 10 (especially) have such poor calibrations out of the factory. I don't care if the colors are accurate but the nexus 10 could barely even display the color purple at all when I had it. Theres no reason it shouldn't have been able to.
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The fact that it doesn´t use backlight is good. I think that´s the future. I would love to see some hybrid technology with ''normal'' colors.
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It has the best LCD blacks on the market and features in-cell touch, so things on the screen look like they're floating. You can also do a better job of calibrating it. If you spend some time doing it, it's up there with the iPhone 5. That makes sense, since it's the same tech, but Apple does an extraordinary job of calibrating their displays.
I have a Desire HD too and it doesn't even compare. Blacks on the DHD are horrible and the colors are all dull. Stock Nexus 4 colors aren't any better, but if you mess with them they can be quite vibrant.
Sunlight performance is pretty ****ty on both displays.
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I read quite a bit about that in cell touch thing, I don't see anything floating myself buy it sounds fancy anyway. The colours do look accurate but not super vibrant as some say. It is calibrated.
I really love the display of the N4 after "calibratiing" it with the faux app. It looks simply stunning, sharp, great colors, awesome black levels and this floating effect (the screen looks like it is painted on the glass).
There are only 2 things which are not perfect (for me atleast), I always have the display on auto-brightness and on the lowest setting (when in dark enviroments) the colors don't look right (hard to explain) but as soon as you increase the brightness a tiny bit it really starts to come to life...
Second thing is this weird effect that it changes the color slightly from yellow/blue depending on the viewing angle, it is not bad it is just a little thing which stops it from being the best. I couldn't compare it side by side to a HOX yet (but I played around with it for a while) but the only difference I see from my N4 and HOX is this weird yellow/blue polarization effect. So I'd say the HOX is still the best display I've seen but the N4 is a really close second. My previous phone the DHD is no comparison aswell as the GNex or Galaxy Note...
But the stock settings on the N4 are horrible when I first saw it I was like "apart from the resolution I rather use my DHD...", everything was yellow/green just horrible...
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I really love the display of the N4 after "calibratiing" it with the faux app. It looks simply stunning, sharp, great colors, awesome black levels and this floating effect (the screen looks like it is painted on the glass).
There are only 2 things which are not perfect (for me atleast), I always have the display on auto-brightness and on the lowest setting (when in dark enviroments) the colors don't look right (hard to explain) but as soon as you increase the brightness a tiny bit it really starts to come to life...
Second thing is this weird effect that it changes the color slightly from yellow/blue depending on the viewing angle, it is not bad it is just a little thing which stops it from being the best. I couldn't compare it side by side to a HOX yet (but I played around with it for a while) but the only difference I see from my N4 and HOX is this weird yellow/blue polarization effect. So I'd say the HOX is still the best display I've seen but the N4 is a really close second. My previous phone the DHD is no comparison aswell as the GNex or Galaxy Note...
But the stock settings on the N4 are horrible when I first saw it I was like "apart from the resolution I rather use my DHD...", everything was yellow/green just horrible...
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What Faux settings are you using? And thankyou for the well written reply.
.....you came from a 2+ year old phone using a two year old display and somehow you aren't blown away with this display?
Not sure if needs glasses or trolling....
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What Faux settings are you using? And thankyou for the well written reply.
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It is in the spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoDp2qRui0u0dGE4T2gtSDBTRHVFSldPS2RrX1Rya0E#gid=0
I simply tried a couple from the list, like the most different settings to see what direction I had to take for my display... And then when I found a good one, I tried to improve it with minor adjustments...
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.....you came from a 2+ year old phone using a two year old display and somehow you aren't blown away with this display?
Not sure if needs glasses or trolling....
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Is this sarcasm?
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Is this sarcasm?
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No. He was being serious. I agree with him.
Or do I?
Definitely not the best screen.
But definitely the best screen for the price.
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Definitely not the best screen.
But definitely the best screen for the price.
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Which one is the best?
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Theres no reason it shouldn't have been able to. Out of the factory both of these devices have shipped with terrible gamma curves and poor saturation. The fact they aren't calibrated them individually isn't the problem. They are calibrated wrongly.
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Yes, quite terrible. Maybe Apple has a patent on properly calibrated displays! lol
Google has done incredibly bad in calibrating their own devices (starting from Galaxy Nexus -> Nexus 7 -> Nexus 4 and 10).
If you look at a gray scale gradient, instead of seeing: black -> dark gray -> light gray -> white, you see: black -> dark magenta -> green -> yellow. WTF???
What the heck did Google smoke???
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Kazliux said:
Which one is the best?
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iPhone 5 or HOX(+). Both are bright, with good contrast AND properly calibrated BY DEFAULT!
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The fact that it doesn´t use backlight is good. I think that´s the future. I would love to see some hybrid technology with ''normal'' colors.
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It just has to be widely adapted. People said LCD had weird colors compared to CRT too. And now it is repeating hear with people used to seeing LCD all of their lives saying AMOLED looks weird. But in reality, AMOLED has a pretty wide palette and when viewing certain palettes get magnified when viewed next to a pool of dark black rather than a dark grey. Same thing applies to a really bright white, colors look more washed out than they really are when viewed next to a bright white. that is just the way the cells in our eyes work.
The LG Optimus G currently has my favorite mobile phone display though. For some reason it looks a lot better than the Nexus 4 display even though the screen is exactly the same. Might be software but it might be the wallpapers. Go check out an Optimus G with the wallpaper of the rocks or the colorful feathers, amazing.
The Nexus 10 display is also just wow too. It is gorgeous and probably the best mobile display ever. A 10 inch 300 ppi screen is as good as it sounds.
It does have a nice display if nothing is wrong with it. The quality is very happy inconsistent
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3uZdVsND1E&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Have fun! Screen is really bad , did google mess calibration again or just the screen is bad?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3uZdVsND1E&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Have fun! Screen is really bad , did google mess calibration again or just the screen is bad?
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Um, what he say for the rest of us they don't speak your language?
Yep definitely some grammar and syntax issues here. Nothing like broken English to not get your point across.
Personally I'm going to wait till a decent side-by-side screen comparison video with an iPhone 4s or later.
I trust Apple's calibration a hell of a lot more than on the LG G2.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3uZdVsND1E&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Have fun! Screen is really bad , did google mess calibration again or just the screen is bad?
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I sold the g2 to get the nexus 5
I can tell you the screen is not bad in my opinion, not to say the g2 is not good however in my opinion the slightly smaller screen and higher ppi does make just that little bit sharper and the colours seem great to me.
Probably not calibrated like the last since that is manufacture optimization. Probably going to need Franco to make it look good.
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Its the calibration. They supposedly use the same LCD panel.
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I know it's just a benchmark, but did you notice the Note 3 smoked all of them?
Maybe the benchmark program can't take advantage of the enhancements in 4.4?
Different screens. 5.2" vs 4.95".
Not apples to apples!
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Thanks! Fun good, screen good, or is just pic bad?
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I know it's just a benchmark, but did you notice the Note 3 smoked all of them?
Maybe the benchmark program can't take advantage of the enhancements in 4.4?
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The Note 3 is probably optimizing itself for those specific benchmarks, I wouldn't trust those results.
Probably the calibration. We will try our best to get the best calibrated profile for the N5 (PA Team).
From the numerous videos etc I've seen it seems like the temperature/whites are ok, just the colours are a bit washed.
Hoping franco releases an n5 compatible version of his display control app so the rob values can be adjusted/improved.
Not sure if I have the balls yet for custom kernels etc.
You can mess with the colors and set them to your liking.
I've been comparing mine to my iphone 5's screen, honestly I can't see any difference. Although if someone could explain calibration test images to me I could do a quick comparison there as well.
From the feedback. It seems the g2 has clearer and a more vibrant screen than the n5. We ll see once reviews start rolling out.
Umm, how do you tell the screen is "really bad" from that video? It does seem more reflective which is a shame because it will look more washed out outside but aside from that, I don't see any evidence of "messed up calibration" there.
All I can compare it to is the HTC One and the N5 screen is nowhere compared to that, not even on the same planet. Colours are flat, blacks are grey, viewing angles are poor... relatively..
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All I can compare it to is the HTC One and the N5 screen is nowhere compared to that, not even on the same planet. Colours are flat, blacks are grey, viewing angles are poor... relatively..
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As long as it can get "fixed" with some mod idc honestly. All i care is screen hardware and ips screens are gorgeoua.
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As long as it can get "fixed" with some mod idc honestly. All i care is screen hardware and ips screens are gorgeoua.
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I doubt it can be fixed. You can calibrate any screen, or at least try to, but if it fundamentally isnt that great, it will always remain so. There is little you can do about viewing angles.
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As long as it can get "fixed" with some mod idc honestly. All i care is screen hardware and ips screens are gorgeoua.
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Poor blacks can't be fixed.
Has anyone compared it directly to the N4 screen? Both indoors and outdoors/in direct sunlight. I suspect the N5 screen is even more reflective and washes out more.
So for those of you wondering what the viewing angles are, here you go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3vwKF6XWEo&feature=youtube_gdata
thx eman3316 for this great video.
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So for those of you wondering what the viewing angles are, here you go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3vwKF6XWEo&feature=youtube_gdata
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They are really ****ed up. Here it even looks worser:
i get my nexus tomorrow at the end of the day, hopefully i dont have that =(
I don't get the viewing angles paranoia to be honest.
I think myself a fairly normal user of a phone, in that I hold it more or less straight on rather than trying to look at it from 60°. What do you gain from crazy viewing angles exactly?
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I don't get the viewing angles paranoia to be honest.
I think myself a fairly normal user of a phone, in that I hold it more or less straight on rather than trying to look at it from 60°. What do you gain from crazy viewing angles exactly?
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Really? Sometimes i let it spin on my finger tips and i watch for any inconsistency in the color. Then i throw it high up in the air and check viewing angles, i spit that thing on the floor. On the bed, on the couch, on my monitor. Heck sometimes i even tie it down from the ceiling just to push it around and see if the colors change.
It's just, it's that important!!
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I don't get the viewing angles paranoia to be honest.
I think myself a fairly normal user of a phone, in that I hold it more or less straight on rather than trying to look at it from 60°. What do you gain from crazy viewing angles exactly?
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For me the screen represents the quality of the whole phone since its the biggest part of the phone. So if the screen is s*hit, the whole phone is s*hit!
You say the screen/phone is s#it because it looks different at a 60-75 degree angle? Orly? So, is that how you judge people too? I heard the iPhone has perfect viewing angles at °180 degrees. You should probably go check that one out
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Rusty! said:
I don't get the viewing angles paranoia to be honest.
I think myself a fairly normal user of a phone, in that I hold it more or less straight on rather than trying to look at it from 60°. What do you gain from crazy viewing angles exactly?
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Sometimes a step down in quality shows the importance of quality, say using a phone with bad viewing angles after using one with perfect screen shows how much difference does it make. Cause in real life there are so many situations you don't hold it perfectly, in a crowded are like transportation, under the sunlight where you must change angles, when it mounted on a car holder, when it's on your desk, when framing a picture of a subject you whole body can't get in front of, when it's in someone else's hands etc. I think off angles are responsible for more than 33% of usage, and that's a lot of pain for Xperia Z users.
Not happy with mine either.... wonder WHY do they want to use IPS display?
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You say the screen/phone is s#it because it looks different at a 60-75 degree angle? Orly? So, is that how you judge people too? I heard the iPhone has perfect viewing angles at °180 degrees. You should probably go check that one out
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i have an iphone 5 and the screen is phenomenal, im just more of an android guy, this issue is not present on my htc one and it has a beautiful display, how can someone just conform to a ****ty display, (blows my mind)
edit: "is that how you judge people"??? I don't quite get your question bud, how is that relevant..
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For me the screen represents the quality of the whole phone since its the biggest part of the phone. So if the screen is s*hit, the whole phone is s*hit!
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well said bro.
The screen is gorgeous on the N5. So many people are just looking from something to complain about. It is a 5" screen and for how most of us will be viewing it, it is looks freakin great.
Unless you are throwing a naked picture of a chick on your phone and laying it flat down next to you in bed and want to view her from a side angle why else would you care how it looks at an angle like that?
Top of the line LED TV's that are thousands of dollars have the same off viewing angle issues and people get over it so I don't see what the issue is with the N5 screen for $400.
Damn, I just turned my phone face down and I couldn't even see the screen! That's it, it's going back.
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The screen is gorgeous on the N5. So many people are just looking from something to complain about. It is a 5" screen and for how most of us will be viewing it, it is looks freakin great.
Unless you are throwing a naked picture of a chick on your phone and laying it flat down next to you in bed and want to view her from a side angle why else would you care how it looks at an angle like that?
Top of the line LED TV's that are thousands of dollars have the same off viewing angle issues and people get over it so I don't see what the issue is with the N5 screen for $400.
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lol i get your point, but i show videos to friends and family daily, plus ive never seen a high end led tv with that kind of viewing angle, my led surely doesnt have that issue.
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lol i get your point, but i show videos to friends and family daily, plus ive never seen a high end led tv with that kind of viewing angle, my led surely doesnt have that issue.
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It is the most known thing about LED technology and even the new OLED technology has this issue. It is not as noticeable in stores but when you get it home it is pretty extreme. Viewing angles are one of the major talked about things when deciding to purchase a plasma or LED TV. Plasma's offer wide viewing angles while LED do not. This is a technology fact and not just my opinion by the way.
Nice viewing angle , I mean seriously you people need to stop with that viewing angle sh**, that's not helping google...349 for unlocked top of the line hardware and yall still complaining..sheezus
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It is the most known thing about LED technology and even the new OLED technology has this issue. It is not as noticeable in stores but when you get it home it is pretty extreme. Viewing angles are one of the major talked about things when deciding to purchase a plasma or LED TV. Plasma's offer wide viewing angles while LED do not. This is a technology fact and not just my opinion by the way.
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A Technology fact? Well.. my friends htc one for example doesnt suffer from this issue and its an IPS too! Im afraid we just get what we paid for. And since the Display is probably the most expensive part of a phone: Cheap price, cheap display...
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It is the most known thing about LED technology and even the new OLED technology has this issue. It is not as noticeable in stores but when you get it home it is pretty extreme. Viewing angles are one of the major talked about things when deciding to purchase a plasma or LED TV. Plasma's offer wide viewing angles while LED do not. This is a technology fact and not just my opinion by the way.
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Viewing angles are much more relevant for televisions.
I did not even notice that my HTC One has good viewing angles until literally yesterday (when reading about the N5). It's just not a practical issue on a mobile device.
Oh Man I Have Nexus 4 And Its Screen Also Has Same Issue I Was Going To Get Nexus 5 But Not Now Sorry Google ....
Simba501 said:
Viewing angles are much more relevant for televisions.
I did not even notice that my HTC One has good viewing angles until literally yesterday (when reading about the N5). It's just not a practical issue on a mobile device.
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Yup, totally agree but wanted to stress the fact that price doesn't necassarily mean anything. I have a Samsung $2,700 USD TV that washes out from the side.
I am also wondering if they used different panels in the N5 because my screen looks great and for any way I can think of viewing it, it does not wash out.
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You really should apologize to yourself and not Google because the N5 screen is in another class then the N4.
arceeIpe BAILEY
Based on nexus 5 kernel sources there are 2different types of displays,one from LG and the other from JapanDisplay similar to Xperia Z and Z1