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[Q] difference with semi brick and hard brick??

im pretty confuse of these two terms here, semi and hard bricks. for what i know semi brick is when you see the phone--->pc thingy on your phone after a flash failure. and can be resolve by a JIG or tricks to get into download mode.
but what about HARD BRICKS?? can they be resolve with a JIG or tricks? what are the symptoms of hard brick phones? is there anyone from the forum that could not enter download mode with the use of JIG or tricks?
pls answer the following. it will help me with my phone before flashing.

Hard brick is just like soft brick, but you cant go download or recovery menu, and you have to send it to shop where you bought it.

Tuhoaja said:
Hard brick is just like soft brick, but you cant go download or recovery menu, and you have to send it to shop where you bought it.
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ah! thank you!.
can you tell me how hard brick often happens??
when in a hard brick does JIG still works to go to download mode??

scapula101 said:
ah! thank you!.
can you tell me how hard brick often happens??
when in a hard brick does JIG still works to go to download mode??
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You cant use JIG if your phone is hard bricked.
And, well your phone bricks if you flash wrong file with odin (sometimes) or wrong .zip

IN XDA/SGS 1 bricked means phone wont boot may be described as soft brick as its probably recoverable . Only one culprit in a soft bricked phone the user has not bothered to read/follow instructions .
Recovery is usually via download mode /jig and flash a stock rom .
Hardbricked dead never ever recover nothing the user can do combination of above or blown hardware .
jje

JJEgan said:
IN XDA/SGS 1 bricked means phone wont boot may be described as soft brick as its probably recoverable . Only one culprit in a soft bricked phone the user has not bothered to read/follow instructions .
Recovery is usually via download mode /jig and flash a stock rom .
Hardbricked dead never ever recover nothing the user can do combination of above or blown hardware .
jje
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ah. it's really to think it it up then whether to flash and custom ro like darky's or stay on samsung official firmware in kies. T_T.
do guys know if someone here in the forum ever had a HARD brick??
in case of HARD brick in which it's dead forever like you mention. what can I do or have to do??

scapula101 said:
do guys know if someone here in the forum ever had a HARD brick??
in case of HARD brick in which it's dead forever like you mention. what can I do or have to do??
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Yup I know about 10-20 with bricked phones.
You can't do anything, just send back to Samsung and they'll fix it

guys i have a question relatad to this topic ..
what makes the diffrence beetwin semi brick and hard brick while flashing in odin ?

shedox said:
guys i have a question relatad to this topic ..
what makes the diffrence beetwin semi brick and hard brick while flashing in odin ?
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I think its all by luck...
I've once semi bricked my sgs...

Tuhoaja said:
I think its all by luck...
I've once semi bricked my sgs...
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really?? how? wat did you do??

shedox said:
guys i have a question relatad to this topic ..
what makes the diffrence beetwin semi brick and hard brick while flashing in odin ?
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from the post above semi can still be recovered and hard brick cant.

scapula101 said:
do guys know if someone here in the forum ever had a HARD brick??
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I guess the guy recently on the Q&A forum had who did a fatal mistake on flashing (see attachment).
Semi bricks seem to happen far more often but from what I read here it doesn't really matter much on the SGS. I'm way no expert but it sounds you gotta mess up big time to hard brick it or be extremely unlucky when flashing boot loaders or something (correct me if I'm wrong).
Hard bricked phones have to be sent in for repair afaik. There are also some guys trying to figure out a different kind of cable to get into some more advanced service mode or so for hard bricks (?).
Anyways, what to do when you semi brick? Usually go to download or recovery mode and flash again.
My very first flash was about enabling these modes (my SGS came without them) so I had neither mode and semi bricked (better use direct USB). Luckily, thanks to all the info on XDA I knew I'd be screwed if things go wrong so I bought myself a JIG dongle off Ebay prior and thus could plug it in, get into download mode and re-flash, all fixed.

Landorin said:
I guess the guy recently on the Q&A forum had who did a fatal mistake on flashing (see attachment).
Semi bricks seem to happen far more often but from what I read here it doesn't really matter much on the SGS. I'm way no expert but it sounds you gotta mess up big time to hard brick it or be extremely unlucky when flashing boot loaders or something (correct me if I'm wrong).
Hard bricked phones have to be sent in for repair afaik. There are also some guys trying to figure out a different kind of cable to get into some more advanced service mode or so for hard bricks (?).
Anyways, what to do when you semi brick? Usually go to download or recovery mode and flash again.
My very first flash was about enabling these modes (my SGS came without them) so I had neither mode and semi bricked (better use direct USB). Luckily, thanks to all the info on XDA I knew I'd be screwed if things go wrong so I bought myself a JIG dongle off Ebay prior and thus could plug it in, get into download mode and re-flash, all fixed.
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HE IS MESSED up. i wonder what happened his phone?

Do USB Jigs work with SGM?

http://www.ebay.in/itm/UNBrick-Sams...?pt=IN_Mobile_Accessories&hash=item415d3ece49
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/unbric...msung-t959-i9000-i897-m110s-i8700-i9100-93514
Do these products work for the SGM? I saw somebody mentioning a jig to recover bricked phone somewhere here (related to SGM), but my request for clarification was not answered. Hence, creating this thread.
What software is required to use them?
And anybody got heimdall to work?

1.- Remove both the SIM card and de microSD card.
2.- KEEP YOUR BATTERY REMOVED
3.- Apply the Download-mode button combination (known by you all)
4.- WHILE HOLDING THE COMBINATION, insert the battery, and keep the buttons pressed untill you get the download mode.
5.- Flash your phone with a valid firmware through Odin (Preferebly, have Odin prepared before doing this trick)
i saw many people posting this trick n it worked for galaxy series n sgm too..if it is hard bricked then also..i dont think this device jig is required to unbrick,,,.
u r asking of software it is ODIN v4.38 download it by searching on google

Yes i confirm , work but no with hardware bricked SGM (black screen)

djeidj said:
Yes i confirm , work but no with hardware bricked SGM (black screen)
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Thanks for this info. By "black screen", I hope you mean that the phone had neither download mode, nor battery charging sign??
Which jig did you use?
Can you describe the method or provide links?

In my case By "black screen", I mean that once i nstalled ROM MANAGER my phone does not start and shows only black screen and the phone had neither download mode, nor battery charging sign, in this case jig does not help.
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But when I downgread my phone he died again, then I used my hand-made jig and after restart my phone enter in downlosd mode. I used this method - search this in google - How I did: Restore soft-bricked Samsung Galaxy I9000. But I guess you can use the link which I will send a P.M

Were you able to bring back to life your galaxy mini? I'm in the same situation (black screen due to ram manager) but my home made jig doesn't work. (Although it works with galaxys and galaxy s2).
Any idea or suggestion?
Sent from my GT-P1000 using XDA Premium App

I managed to return my phone to my provider cervice , in this case it is the only solution for our phone. There told me that they changed the motherboard to fix it.

yeah it works depending on how your phone is bricked, mines really really hard bricked, no download mode, no charging ****, and odin nor doesnt recognize it, the only option is to surrender it to the carrier u bought it from

Hmm, many had problems with ROM Manager as I could see, and I guess its the reason for bricking. I'm never gonna use it anyways !!
Btw, I'm concerned about how the Service Center unbricks our device ?
We can't do that manually ?
I understand if its a hardware bricked stage, then no other option rather than handing the device to them.

coolsandie said:
Hmm, many had problems with ROM Manager as I could see, and I guess its the reason for bricking. I'm never gonna use it anyways !!
Btw, I'm concerned about how the Service Center unbricks our device ?
We can't do that manually ?
I understand if its a hardware bricked stage, then no other option rather than handing the device to them.
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search google for for jtag. You need a jtag jig, which connects directly to the mother board (and not the usb jig). There is one available, but is real expensive, afaik.

thank you very much

confirmed, my usb jig , which works with i9000 doesn't work with my wife's SGM...

Yes it works. I Tested it myself.
But only on soft bricks not on hard bricks.
I can give you a video if you want just pm me. ^_^

With the SGM, you do not need a jig if it is only a soft brick. As long as you can enter download mode, ODIN works.

genieass said:
With the SGM, you do not need a jig if it is only a soft brick. As long as you can enter download mode, ODIN works.
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precisely.
btw those issues with rom manager.... it doesn't happen to me.

So if my phone doesn't turn on in any mode, is not recognized by odin, that means I have hardware brick? And USB jig will not work, right?

TheWhisp said:
So if my phone doesn't turn on in any mode, is not recognized by odin, that means I have hardware brick? And USB jig will not work, right?
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no! if read ur testimony
its caused ur wrong flash kernel , only one way is use "jtag" to flash the recovery kernel. then flash custom .
usb jig only purpose for softbricked.
hope it answers thy question

So in repair service they use these jtag tools?

TheWhisp said:
So if my phone doesn't turn on in any mode, is not recognized by odin, that means I have hardware brick? And USB jig will not work, right?
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Actually, there might still be hope, USB Jig works, you can make one by stripping the USB cord's end and connect 3 100k ohms resistors on two points, I can post photos if you want.
If your bootloader is already damaged by a bad flash, just hope your factory download mode's partition isn't also damage. If not, then the jig will work.
Also if anybody would like, here's my thread on how to flash stock ROMs 100% safe.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1551586

TheWhisp said:
So in repair service they use these jtag tools?
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In some cases yes

Dead Samsung Galaxy Note

i tried to install miui 4 without using abyss kernel, the mobile got off in the middle of the installation and since then its not at all showing anything
i tried to go back to recovery and download mode but nothing is happening to the phone and when i connect the phone to pc, pc is not detecting anything, and when i try to connect the mobile to charging... it doesnt charge at all and dont show anything on the mobile screen... the mobile screen always remain black like its without battery
can any one help?????????/

Can you get repaired by SS service? That will be the easy option.
Otherwise, it seemed that Sar17 can help with his firsthand experience since he has just revived his hardbrick Note using a combination of several methods including Jtag and and repartition.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1667886&page=37
Perhaps should try to PM him. GL!

forest1971 said:
Can you get repaired by SS service? That will be the easy option.
Otherwise, it seemed that Sar17 can help with his firsthand experience since he has just revived his hardbrick Note using a combination of several methods including Jtag and and repartition.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1667886&page=37
Perhaps should try to PM him. GL!
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thanks for the reply... but i am still confused ... is it bricked or some other problem?

I guess whatever the cause does not matter much, still the same problem of a hard brick which could not even turn on, nothing. The choice to fix are below:
1. use a jig to get it start into download mod. Then odin stock rom or repartition using a custom PIT file if odin get stuck somewhere (because of partition damage by emmc bug kernel).
2. if jig does not work then need a Jtag to fix it. In case there is also partition damage jtag alone will not work, and will need also repartition. That is the case of Sar17.
That are the only ways that I know can help revived it (beside motherboard replace). Hope you can figure out or Sar17 can help you with more details. cheers.

forest1971 said:
I guess whatever the cause does not matter much, still the same problem of a hard brick which could not even turn on, nothing. The choice to fix are below:
1. use a jig to get it start into download mod. Then odin stock rom or repartition using a custom PIT file if odin get stuck somewhere (because of partition damage by emmc bug kernel).
2. if jig does not work then need a Jtag to fix it. In case there is also partition damage jtag alone will not work, and will need also repartition. That is the case of Sar17.
That are the only ways that I know can help revived it (beside motherboard replace). Hope you can figure out or Sar17 can help you with more details. cheers.
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can u explain how to use jig or jtag... i will be very thankful to u

This is how to use a Jig:
- Turn off your phone and pull out the battery
- Just put the battery back and don't turn it on
- Plug the Jig into the micro USB port on the phone
- After about 2 seconds, you can see the yellow download mode logo on the screen.
- Unplug the module
- Connect your phone with USB cable to computer and then flash your phone via odin.
You can buy it online very cheap.
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/unbric...msung-t959-i9000-i897-m110s-i8700-i9100-93514
It does not list N7000 but will work since some people in xda have tried.
About Jtag it will cost more and more complicated to use. I do not have much info so you will need to search google.
Also remember to send Sar17 a private message. I guess he can help with Jtag.
Cheers.

forest1971 said:
This is how to use a Jig:
- Turn off your phone and pull out the battery
- Just put the battery back and don't turn it on
- Plug the Jig into the micro USB port on the phone
- After about 2 seconds, you can see the yellow download mode logo on the screen.
- Unplug the module
- Connect your phone with USB cable to computer and then flash your phone via odin.
You can buy it online very cheap.
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/unbric...msung-t959-i9000-i897-m110s-i8700-i9100-93514
It does not list N7000 but will work since some people in xda have tried.
About Jtag it will cost more and more complicated to use. I do not have much info so you will need to search google.
Also remember to send Sar17 a private message. I guess he can help with Jtag.
Cheers.
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thanks !!! i have already PM Sar17..... the link u sent for buying is not working... any other link for buying??????/

The link open perfectly fine for me. try again. otherwise, should search jig (picture) then will see it come up.
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/unbric...msung-t959-i9000-i897-m110s-i8700-i9100-93514
There is also a guide on how to do it oneself which looks not very easy. Buying is a better option.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=819551
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BTW, it is important to check battery as well if possible. A malfunction battery will cause same symptoms. cheers.

[Q] Easy guide to JTAG without using expensive box

So yeah, I bricked my Samsung Galaxy Ace with the wrong kernel through Clock Work Recovery, chose reboot option, screen turned black.
I have tried all the button combos, with inserting battery method and all of that, I even bought a USB Jig but to no avail. The furthest I've come to entering Download Mode(button combinations, to then flash with Odin) is that the computer is detecting the samsung galaxy ace as a modem(If I do not press the button combinations the computer detects nothing at all) and I cannot establish connection with the phone with Odin nor adb shell.
I have searched these forums a few hours a week the last two weeks and the only possible option seems to be JTAG unbrick. I have no money to get me a 100$ jtag-box just to resurrect this phone, so my question is this:
Is there any other way that Is cheap and not too advanced for a tech newbie like myself to unbrick the phone? I have no problem with soldering, but my question is, is there any other module(or would a simple jtag cable work?) to access the phones internal workings?
Or maybe there is another way to save this phone? Please post if you have experiance!
No, I have no warranty left on the phone, and no I do not want to leave it to some jtag service. That is not the problem.
Help/tricks greatly appreciated!

I had the exact same delema I kept plugging the phone into the c in download.mode and in the end my computer rexonized it ans was able to flash back to stock phone resets every now and then but other than that works fine I now use in rooted fully stock on.not.running the risk
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chooky536 said:
I had the exact same delema I kept plugging the phone into the c in download.mode and in the end my computer rexonized it ans was able to flash back to stock phone resets every now and then but other than that works fine I now use in rooted fully stock on.not.running the risk
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Was the screen black when you flashed It through Odin aswell? Cause all Im getting from Odin is "setting up connection..." and there it stops. Did I miss something?

Wrong kernel as in?
Another device? A jig "might" help you...
*emphasise the 'might'*

Prawesome said:
Wrong kernel as in?
Another device? A jig "might" help you...
*emphasise the 'might'*
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Yeah, I got ahold of a Jig tried on my friends Samsung S2, and It did not work. I don't remember what I tried to flash it with, It was through clockworkmod and I was going to flash with rafaels kernel but must have got ahold of the wrong one in his SkyDrive map. Anyayws, I applied the .zip and chose reboot and all went permanently black.
Anyone have experiance in UART-Jigs and whatnot?

[Q] hard bricked galaxy ace :'(

hi guys
i am sorry if i started a new thread i am new here.................
yesterday i was flashing a rom on my ace using cwm but my due to my laziness of reading the rom turned out be for ace s5830i and now it's not booting i cant access anything neither downloading or recovery mod ........... so is there any way that i can bring dis phone back 2 life or .........
i should just kiss it goodbye :angel: R.I.P ?

Y_2_J said:
hi guys
i am sorry if i started a new thread i am new here.................
yesterday i was flashing a rom on my ace using cwm but my due to my laziness of reading the rom turned out be for ace s5830i and now it's not booting i cant access anything neither downloading or recovery mod ........... so is there any way that i can bring dis phone back 2 life or .........
i should just kiss it goodbye :angel: R.I.P ?
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WRONG SECTION!
To be lazy it's NOT ALLOWED on XDA forums! FIRST READ RULES and then read the posts completely ten times and finally read it again!!! ...and if you understand them, you'll try any modifications
Are your device a available warranty yet? send it to the technical service
...if not, you can say goodbye to your phone

Viper The Ripper said:
WRONG SECTION!
To be lazy it's NOT ALLOWED on XDA forums! FIRST READ RULES and then read the posts completely ten times and finally read it again!!! ...and if you understand them, you'll try any modifications
Are your device a available warranty yet? send it to the technical service
...if not, you can say goodbye to your phone
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really no way to fix a hard brick ? n i have used it for 3 yrs

Y_2_J said:
really no way to fix a hard brick ? n i have used it for 3 yrs
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...I'm sorry

Viper The Ripper said:
...I'm sorry
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what abut jig ?

Y_2_J said:
hi guys
i am sorry if i started a new thread i am new here.................
yesterday i was flashing a rom on my ace using cwm but my due to my laziness of reading the rom turned out be for ace s5830i and now it's not booting i cant access anything neither downloading or recovery mod ........... so is there any way that i can bring dis phone back 2 life or .........
i should just kiss it goodbye :angel: R.I.P ?
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Sadly you have bricked your phone. But @SuperMini has provided us with a rather simple guide on how to unbrick Samsung Galaxy Ace. Go through the entire thread and you will get to know all the possible solutions. Here is the link,
How to unbrick Samsung Galaxy Ace
I was able to help someone else solve a similar problem today using this guide, so don't worry!
[Q][HELP PLEASE] My phone is bricked by using ThunderKernel
Do post your result. Hope I Helped

mahithm said:
Sadly you have bricked your phone. But @SuperMini has provided us with a rather simple guide on how to unbrick Samsung Galaxy Ace. Go through the entire thread and you will get to know all the possible solutions. Here is the link,
How to unbrick Samsung Galaxy Ace
I was able to help someone else solve a similar problem today using this guide, so don't worry!
[Q][HELP PLEASE] My phone is bricked by using ThunderKernel
Do post your result. Hope I Helped
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thanks for the reply but bro i am unable to boot into downloading or recovery mod
any other suggestion ?

Y_2_J said:
thanks for the reply but bro i am unable to boot into downloading or recovery mod
any other suggestion ?
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Bro, try to follow the guide. Just pressing Vol Down+ Power+ Home button is completely different from preparing your odin, removing battery, connecting phone to computer, inserting the battery and pressing Vol Down+ Power + Home button. This method can, in the best case scenario, force open Download Mode. Give it a try! You have nothing to lose but something to gain. If this doesn't work, guide also provides details on USB Jig which is your last option. Hope I helped

mahithm said:
Bro, try to follow the guide. Just pressing Vol Down+ Power+ Home button is completely different from preparing your odin, removing battery, connecting phone to computer, inserting the battery and pressing Vol Down+ Power + Home button. This method can, in the best case scenario, force open Download Mode. Give it a try! You have nothing to lose but something to gain. If this doesn't work, guide also provides details on USB Jig which is your last option. Hope I helped
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allright i will try now

Y_2_J said:
allright i will try now
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Cool! Do post the result

mahithm said:
Cool! Do post the result
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tried it 2 times now no success u know my phone doesnt even lights up it stays in a switched of kind situation

Y_2_J said:
tried it 2 times now no success u know my phone doesnt even lights up it stays in a switched of kind situation
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@info2shail2010 had the similar problem but he was able to go to Download mode using that guide. Sadly since that didn't work for you, your only option will be USB Jig. If that doesn't work either then buy a new phone
[Q][HELP PLEASE] My phone is bricked by using ThunderKernel

mahithm said:
@info2shail2010 had the similar problem but he was able to go to Download mode using that guide. Sadly since that didn't work for you, your only option will be USB Jig. If that doesn't work either then buy a new phone
[Q][HELP PLEASE] My phone is bricked by using ThunderKernel
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ok bro is there any chances that a jig might do it ?.... and how does a jig works i know its made of resistors but wat does the resistors do to my phone ?

Y_2_J said:
ok bro is there any chances that a jig might do it ?.... and how does a jig works i know its made of resistors but wat does the resistors do to my phone ?
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I haven't used USB Jig or even made one, so can't help you here. But you can use the following guide to make your own,
Need a Samsung USB Jig? Build Your Own
I hope you can unbrick your Samsung Galaxy Ace. Good Luck! Hope I helped

mahithm said:
@info2shail2010 had the similar problem but he was able to go to Download mode using that guide. Sadly since that didn't work for you, your only option will be USB Jig. If that doesn't work either then buy a new phone
[Q][HELP PLEASE] My phone is bricked by using ThunderKernel
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No bro... i am not able to go to in download mode... i told you... i was using Vol up + power + home key... i was mistakenly thinking it was downloading mode because it was connecting in Odin..... but u told me that is not downloading mode ... that is RamDump mode..... so .. i also cant go to download mode by pressing Vol down + power + home key.... its dead and not responding.. ....

The USB Jig method is just working for softbricked (it can boot, but looping) phones but can't go to recovery or download mode. So, it's not working for hardbricked phone

iqbal_mahmuda said:
The USB Jig method is just working for softbricked (it can boot, but looping) phones but can't go to recovery or download mode. So, it's not working for hardbricked phone
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Bro, but the above guide says the USB jig for Samsung devices force the device into download mode so you can flash firmware over Odin and restore it to working order. Are you sure about what you said?

mahithm said:
Bro, but the above guide says the USB jig for Samsung devices force the device into download mode so you can flash firmware over Odin and restore it to working order. Are you sure about what you said?
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i even saw video on youtube about a hard bricked s3 ,galaxy y, s2 and note n7000 but in the s3 the guy got his phone hardbricked while rooting ..... i got it hard bricked due flashing another handsets rom

Y_2_J said:
i even saw video on youtube about a hard bricked s3 ,galaxy y, s2 and note n7000 but in the s3 the guy got his phone hardbricked while rooting ..... i got it hard bricked due flashing another handsets rom
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if you have this phone fixed somehow, can you let me updated? i have exactly same condition right now!

rinaldo.jonathan said:
if you have this phone fixed somehow, can you let me updated? i have exactly same condition right now!
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allright it might take some time cause i dont hve money to buy the jig right now my pocket money is empty so it will take me sometime but i will let u know