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Viewing angles...

So many conflicting reports regarding viewing angles.
What do does of you say that have gotten the N4 already? Are they really this bad:
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Check from 8.36: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV3kvQDf0Do&list=UUgyqtNWZmIxTx3b6OxTSALw&index=6

mahwaha said:
So many conflicting reports regarding viewing angles.
What do does of you say that have gotten the N4 already? Are they really this bad:
Check from 8.36: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV3kvQDf0Do&list=UUgyqtNWZmIxTx3b6OxTSALw&index=6
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2 questions.
a) Are there 7 people using your phone at any one time where the 1st and the 7th person will be looking at the phone from that angle?
b) If a) is no, do you use your phone alone, at that angle. If so, might I ask what for?
Do you want to have a phone with wide viewing angles, on a 4.7 inch screen, just to say you have it? Or do you intentionally and typically hold your phone at that angle whenever you're showing your friends/family something on your phone?

Viewing angles bother me a little. When I let someone see my phone and besides them it looks "milky" at some angles
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mahwaha said:
So many conflicting reports regarding viewing angles.
What do does of you say that have gotten the N4 already? Are they really this bad:
Check from 8.36: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV3kvQDf0Do&list=UUgyqtNWZmIxTx3b6OxTSALw&index=6
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That pic seems unusally bad, but viewing angles are way worse than HTC one X.
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I'm with poison on this one do u really hold your phone at an angle for regular usage? I use my to watch videos at work with 4 people and haven't had a problem with the viewing angle. Had mine since Thanksgiving and its the best screen by far I've had. That's saying a lot to. I know u aren't comparing it to this but my I can't even use my 2 phones with super amoled now cause the colors look fake to me.
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Mine is fine (great for an LCD) from all angles.. I don't really see why people make such a fuss over this. The screen only sacrifices a little bit of brightness at an extreme angle, but it's really not much of an issue.

A great feature that saves ur money from privacy film
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Yes there are people who look at their phone from that angle, just like there are people who view their screens under a magnifying glass and don't want to see pixels so need the screen to be 1 PPI over all the other phones.

dafuqq, you guys don't hold your phones at weird angles just to show off your awesome viewing angles like me??
Seriously though, there is something special about screens with perfect viewing angles imo (like the HOX). They are just simply stunningly flawless, no matter how you look at them. What's the reason for zerogap anyway when you can't look at the screen from an angle and see the text floating ontop?
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Mine is fine (great for an LCD) from all angles.. I don't really see why people make such a fuss over this. The screen only sacrifices a little bit of brightness at an extreme angle, but it's really not much of an issue.
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Do you mean that you don't get the same distortion as in the image? Curious if there might be different panels.

I have a similar problem. It seems like every time I put my phone face down on a table I can only see a small amount of light on the sides. Also the brightness needs to be set pretty high to see it... weird.
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The viewing angle is fine.
If you have to look at your phone from that angle, you are looking it wrong™

This type of screen doesn't have the best viewing angle. Who cares? It is a phone and the other qualities of a zero gap ISP, lcd more than make up for it. Why would viewing angles be a major priority for any company designing a phone?
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Yeah the side viewing angles are much worse on the N4 than they were on my Galaxy Nexus. But as other have said, who cares? If I want to see what is on my phone's screen I will look directly at it.

I have no problems with the viewing angles. I think they're quite good. They're not the best out there but they're definitely above average.

The viewing angles do suck, if my phone is on the table and it lights up from a notification i have to pick the phone up to read it (not a big deal but annoying). or if i am trying to show a funny ass video from YouTube everyone has to gather around tightly just to see it clearly. I love the screen but the angles could be better.
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What are you guys smoking? This phone has great viewing angles. It's bad when colors completely shift from an angle... which my phone doesn't do at all. In fact, most of the time I have to have my phone at min brightness at night. I get eye strain with this thing even on auto brightness at night. It's night and day better than the galaxy nexus. Even with melange setting with Trinity Kernel, the gnex had much worse viewing angles for me... almost a total shift to blue, and the brightness is night and day! I would be more worried about yellow spots and light bleed with this type of screen than the viewing angles.

Coming from a One X, you'll notice how bad the viewing angles are.
Coming from any other phone, you won't notice because it's what you're used to.
As for viewing your phone at an angle, I often have the phone on my desk and view it without picking it up. I'm one of the few who have been spoilt by the One X, so I certainly notice the bad viewing angles a lot.
Having said that, apart from the screen and the camera, the N4 kicks arse over the One X.

This thread shows how people cry about anything.
Besides, at anything more than absolute min brightness, I can read this whole thread perfectly fine at 170 or so degree. the ONLY thing is you get a metallic-reflection. But everything is crisp and bright.

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can anyone see the capacitive sensors when the screen is off? I'm bringing it up because I can only achieve this at extreme angles when viewed in direct light.

crazyald said:
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can anyone see the capacitive sensors when the screen is off? I'm bringing it up because I can only achieve this at extreme angles when viewed in direct light.
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Not really sure why you even bring this up... But yeah you can see them when the light hits right..

Xperia V night shots :(

Hi, 3 days ago I've bought my Xperia V. After having SGS2 I've expected better photos from phone with Exmor camera. Could You post some Yours photos from Xperia V made in low light ? My photos can be compared to those on this site http://knowyourxperia.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/xperia-z-vs-xperia-v-night-shots-compared/ Is this sensor so crappy ? Even Xperia S (one year old model) has got better camera. The quality of photos is not acceptable. IMHO the problem must be in software because Xperia with the same sensor makes better photos.
Please post some examples from Yours Xperia V in low light condition.

Dont use "AUTO' mode when it comes to Xperia, friend. You have to use manual and configure by yourself ^^

Use night scene. It is really good at low light. When you use auto, ISO is also auto and all hells brake loose
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I'll try night scene and some manual settings however I was ex[ecting that Superior Automode will do much better photos. This mode makes very beautifull photos on Xperia Z. In conlusion - if manual settings would help then Sony should think to improve camera software on Xperia V. Camera should make beautifull photos out of the box like iPhone camera. Maybe it's not the best comparison however apple camera behave much better in low light condition. I know that it's not ther flagship but many people, like me, will buy Xperia V rather then Z because it's more more handy. Not all the people have pianist hands.

j_m_jackowski said:
Camera should make beautifull photos out of the box like iPhone camera.
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My Canon EOS-1D Mark III objects to this statement and says “camera should be set to a proper profile to get the most out of it”.

j_m_jackowski said:
Camera should make beautifull photos out of the box like iPhone camera.
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Do you know who manufactures the camera\sensor for iPhone 5?
Yep. Sony
Anyways.
Try using a different camera-app and modes.
I've taken many photos at night, and I'm overwhelmed by the light it absorbs.
I actually managed to take pictures of the Aurora Borealis.
Look for yourself (yes, they are choppy and of somewhat bad quality. but again, its a phone camera. but still one of the best if not THE best one out there.)
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And so it's said. I've NEVER managed to take photos of the aurora borealis with a phone before, and I've tried with iPhone, SGS2, Xperia Arc S, Xperia S and the Lumia 800. The Xperia V was the first one where I actually saw some of the lighting take shape on the picture.

Awesome, thanks for sharing those pictures. While they may not be compared to professional shots, the fact that you took them with your phone makes them feel somehow "closer".
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I have found Superior Auto mode to not be the best setting for the phone even though its supposed to its self automatically pick the best setting and through this setting it's automatic for when you use the sleep to snap function it shoots picks at 12 megapixels instead of 13 in this mode
Though I have a T and not a V I believe there close enough.
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Well, i dont think so Xperia V camera is so bad as photos , maybe different settings maybe other conditions ... i dont know .. here is photo taken by me ...

mundy725 said:
Well, i dont think so Xperia V camera is so bad as photos , maybe different settings maybe other conditions ... i dont know .. here is photo taken by me ...
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Yours photo is resized. Let me see 100% crop. from original size.

Extra resolution is there to allow editing and downsizing.
If you actually use full-size 12-13 Mpix photos anywhere outside of professional publishing and/or use smartphone photos for professional publishing, I don't really have anything to say that would not be insulting in one way or another.
The quality of a 12 Mpix smartphone camera image itself does not matter. What matters is what quality will a 1920×1600 (or less) image produced from it have.

Torres77an said:
I have found Superior Auto mode to not be the best setting for the phone even though its supposed to its self automatically pick the best setting and through this setting it's automatic for when you use the sleep to snap function it shoots picks at 12 megapixels instead of 13 in this mode
Though I have a T and not a V I believe there close enough.
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Superior Auto actually made the best pics in difficult conditions in my case....
But for the night the Night Mode...

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Yours photo is resized. Let me see 100% crop. from original size.
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http://www.mediafire.com/view/?064l0tknb2dvtla
I think problem in JB , All the Xperias get same options like V in camera settings ...

i think this is good for xperia v, and it better than iphone 5 as my experience...
But i cannot post my shot here by the forum rule ... let do this
ttp://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o587/blaue2/Xperia%20V/DSC_0005.jpg

jerrychf said:
i think this is good for xperia v, and it better than iphone 5 as my experience...
But i cannot post my shot here by the forum rule ... let do this
ttp://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o587/blaue2/Xperia%20V/DSC_0005.jpg
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Amazing Photo. What I've noticed. When making photo in night mode camera is not using high iso, it uses longer time to make photo. The problem is stabilization of camera

good hardware with poor software optimization. same goes with my xperia tx. i thinks they just to much compressed the image data make picture so poor. i think my old dead nokia n8 better take picture and video quality

We are missing something .... Personally i think , after updating JB camera quality get down ... reason is marketing ( selling Z ) later when we will get any JB update it will be fix ... maybe i am wrong ...

I also feel that my V's camera capability went down after updating to JB...

Post Pictures Taken with Xperia Z

Hi guys,
The best thing after design is Camera of Xperia Z, post some cool shots taken with your XZ (plz post 1image per post)
Note: If you like anybody's pics HIT THANKS !!!
Just to start here is mine.
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This was taken with hdr camera+ in quite low light.
Was comparing different camera apps last night.
Unfortunately the stock camera app either blurred it out, or fired flash and I got a blue white glare.

fards said:
This was taken with hdr camera+ in quite low light.
Was comparing different camera apps last night.
Unfortunately the stock camera app either blurred it out, or fired flash and I got a blue white glare.
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Dude, can you post the same shot taken by default camera !!
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auto+

Stock camera auto+
obviously flash fired, unfortunately it appears to cause a glare

Stock camera forced hDr no flash (same as the hdr camera+ app)
As I said I think the stock app(appears to be customized Corel suite that several oems use) is the issue with this device.

fards said:
Stock camera forced hDr no flash (same as the hdr camera+ app)
As I said I think the stock app(appears to be customized Corel suite that several oems use) is the issue with this device.
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so for now which camera app you would suggest? thanks.

Picture taken in low light - My Ipad Mini
Auto Mode
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fards said:
Stock camera forced hDr no flash (same as the hdr camera+ app)
As I said I think the stock app(appears to be customized Corel suite that several oems use) is the issue with this device.
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I just spilled tea all over myself laughing at your signature.
Wow..

fards said:
That phones too big!
why?
have you never held anything bigger than 4" in your hand? .
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LOL for ur Signature !!

All done in superior auto mode:

Akiainavas said:
All done in superior auto mode:
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Wow, I love the first one. I can't wait to take pictures of the beach!

MY little baby....it just rotate in the weird way lol.

I have done some tests today, simply to compare HDR and non-HDR photos (both in Normal Mode)
Without HDR :
With HDR :
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Without HDR :
With HDR :
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Without HDR :
With HDR :
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Without HDR :
With HDR :
Personally I think that in most cases HDR are a bit washed out.
HDR processing engine in XZ is not the best (I know what I am talking about, been doing photos for years ... with 60D, now with 7D over a year, processing with PS CS3, CS4 and now CS5).
What do you think guys ?

personally I think it's not post-processing the HDR properly, it's just saving the last exposure, (the stock camera takes 3 the same as the hdr+ app) then combines them.
You can see the different ones appear in the thumbnail preview in the stock camera app when you take a hdr photo, the last one is the one that shows up.
Must have a look at the logs, see if there's anything obvious.

fards said:
personally I think it's not post-processing the HDR properly, it's just saving the last exposure, (the stock camera takes 3 the same as the hdr+ app) then combines them.
You can see the different ones appear in the thumbnail preview in the stock camera app when you take a hdr photo, the last one is the one that shows up.
Must have a look at the logs, see if there's anything obvious.
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I wouldnt fully agree that it shows last from the 3. If it was, buildings would be properly exposed and the sky much over exposed. Like you can see this is not the case as the sky is still properly exposed.
Where to find these logs ?
I believe you are not talking about picture EXIF ?

Akiainavas said:
All done in superior auto mode:
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Looks like Basingstoke!
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here mine. one with auto and the other using panorama.

There's something wrong with some of your cameras,
it makes the sky look blue...
When everyone in the UK knows that it's grey
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trickyhenry said:
Looks like Basingstoke!
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Because it is
fards said:
There's something wrong with some of your cameras,
it makes the sky look blue...
When everyone in the UK knows that it's grey
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I've seen the sun yesterday. I know, shocking!

4.4.2 Camera quality poll

Ok guy's I wanted to start a poll regarding the camera quality since 4.4.2.
I love my nexus 5 but I found the camera when it was stock 4.4 was impressive even in low light with the flash, However because so many people were complaining about the speed of it taking shots (it didn't bother me as long as it took nice photo's) Now google have responded with 4.4.2 and speeded the camera shot process however the image quality has reduced by some margin even in well lit area's,
So basically this is a poll to gauge who wants to take better quality photo's or faster photo's
Personally I couldn't care less how long it took as long they were good quality photo's...

Makes me glad I got the phone about the same time 4.4.2 came out

Requesting new poll option: Use a different camera app and be able to do both. No need to be limited by the automatic settings.

bblzd said:
Requesting new poll option: Use a different camera app and be able to do both. No need to be limited by the automatic settings.
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The trouble is as far as I know there is no 3rd party app that uses HDR+ mode.

Ady1976 said:
The trouble is as far as I know there is no 3rd party app that uses HDR+ mode.
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u can't tell the difference if u use HDR Camera+ and Snap Camera HDR

hello00 said:
u can't tell the difference if u use HDR Camera+ and Snap Camera HDR
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Does that app have Jpeg compression settings level similar to Camera JB+ ?

Ady1976 said:
Does that app have Jpeg compression settings level similar to Camera JB+ ?
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im not sure..maybe if u get the paid version for both of them

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im not sure..maybe if u get the paid version for both of them
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Thanks I shall have a look at that and compare some daylight and night shots.

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I for one am not updating to 4.4.1, or 4.4.2. I have no complaints with the release software. Who gives a **** about how good the stock photos are. If you care even marginally about image quality then you should know how to properly edit a photo. Simple as that. I love this phone.

Day shots are as good as before, night shots are worse, more noise and it's just not impressive anymore. I'd take the slower shutter for night shots anytime, and keep the new behavior for daylight shots.
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At least for me, low light camera shots look extremely better in HDR+ with the 4.4.2 update over the 4.4 release, but I can't tell a difference on day shots
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Sirgatory said:
I for one am not updating to 4.4.1, or 4.4.2. I have no complaints with the release software. Who gives a **** about how good the stock photos are. If you care even marginally about image quality then you should know how to properly edit a photo. Simple as that. I love this phone.
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That's exactly my point, I was extremely happy with stock 4.4, Camera was fine and video's were great so I'm gauging who prefers quality over speed of shots.
Question ? When your in the market for a compact camera what is end users primary concern ? How good the images are ? Or how fast it take shots ? Exactly point proved and judging from the results of the poll so far looks like I'm not alone either.

rayiskon said:
Day shots are as good as before, night shots are worse, more noise and it's just not impressive anymore. I'd take the slower shutter for night shots anytime, and keep the new behavior for daylight shots.
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Agreed, they boosted the ISO because they increase the shutter speed in low light thus images turns up pretty noisy. What's the point of having OIS when it can't use it? It's better to have slower shutter and low ISO to make the image sharper and less noise in dark environment, just make the OIS more aggressive, come on Google don't fail me now

I came from the HTC One and iPhone 5s. I dumped both for the N5 that I purchased used that was already updated to 4.4.2.
The noise level is way too high. Day or night. Focus issues are still present. What's worst is that I can never get a clean, clear shot. I don't even want to transfer the images taken from the N5 to the computer because I know it will be a lot worse than what I see on my phone.
I purchased Camera Awesome. Didn't do anything to help with the issue. Does anyone else have any suggestions as to a better app to use? Or a mod for a previous version?
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I prefer faster shots. With 4.4 I almost went nuts... especially in dark areas it was almost impossible to focus. So for me I accept the 5% worse quality and get 100% faster shots.

Very impressed with day shots, have yet to try a night shot, but I did notice the screen was much darker.
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Pictures is good, but in update i lost so good video quality, now camcorder is so dark, cant see the thing when there dark environment. And i dont know why
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Whatever they did to the camera they need to revert it. All photos shouldn't look like they were taken with an ISO of 800.
EDIT: It's worse than I thought. A relatively bright photo = ISO 1336.

I prefer the quicker photo's. I don't need a camera to take pictures of my dinner or a flower. Anyone who has kids is definitley enjoying the update.
If you look through the picture thread here the majority of the pics are people's food. I don't really need to keep a picture journal of what I eat. lol

Camera (night mode) Very Disappointing

I had a P30 pro briefly at launch but only just picked one up again. My motivation was that outside the current iPhone and 4 XL it should be the next best camera (and in some areas better)
The thing is so far it is massively disappointing, night mode especially actually to the point where I am starting to wonder if I have a faulty device. So far night mode shots are really not that impressive and absolutely worse than the S10+ and Mate 20 pro and not even in the vicinity of the 4 XL or iPhone which I was not expecting at all.
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arsenal74 said:
I had a P30 pro briefly at launch but only just picked one up again. My motivation was that outside the current iPhone and 4 XL it should be the next best camera (and in some areas better)
The thing is so far it is massively disappointing, night mode especially actually to the point where I am starting to wonder if I have a faulty device. So far night mode shots are really not that impressive and absolutely worse than the S10+ and Mate 20 pro and not even in the vicinity of the 4 XL or iPhone which I was not expecting at all.
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Post some sample shots?

This is not scientific at all but I'd qualify this by saying that I was a professional photographer in a previous life so like to think that I understand lighting.
As I say not scientific and I've to been able to shoot them side by side, #1 is the p30 pro #2 the 4xl in arguably lower light.
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I am not a heavy night mode user, but yesterday I notice some kind of violet like fog in a couple of pics taken without touching settings. There was no visible fog in the sky but it was very visible in all pictures taken to the sky or the road in front of me.

I don't use night mode at all unless I need a full exposed shot of the entire scene. P30 pro has 500k ISO and you can maximize it's high ISO capability when you tap on the dark portion of the scene to properly expos it without the need of using night mode

I noticed that Night mode is actually same as just taking a photo. Literally you hold phone still for 6 seconds, and you get the same result as when you just tap and shoot in auto mode.
Something must be wrong there..

The difference is subtle between night mode and photo mode. You capture more detail and dynamic range in night mode. Especially if you set the ISO value low. But the difference is hard to see on the phone screen. On a desktop computer, it's quite dramatic. So no need to mess with night mode if your pics will only be viewed on your phone and posted to social media.

Djeloan said:
I noticed that Night mode is actually same as just taking a photo. Literally you hold phone still for 6 seconds, and you get the same result as when you just tap and shoot in auto mode.
Something must be wrong there..
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If you looked at the (i) info for each photo you'd see there is a big difference in how it takes the shot / settings used, for one thing normal auto mode you do not need to hold the phone still for X seconds...

arsenal74 said:
I had a P30 pro briefly at launch but only just picked one up again. My motivation was that outside the current iPhone and 4 XL it should be the next best camera (and in some areas better)
The thing is so far it is massively disappointing, night mode especially actually to the point where I am starting to wonder if I have a faulty device. So far night mode shots are really not that impressive and absolutely worse than the S10+ and Mate 20 pro and not even in the vicinity of the 4 XL or iPhone which I was not expecting at all.
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Sample?

kabirjedi said:
Sample?
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There are a couple of photos further up.
I did some further tests vs. P4 Xl and s10+ and think the p30 is better most of the time BUT that when there is any movement at all the pixel is better.
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arsenal74 said:
There are a couple of photos further up.
I did some further tests vs. P4 Xl and s10+ and think the p30 is better most of the time BUT that when there is any movement at all the pixel is better.
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your seriously think those pics you posted will aid anyone here? When comparing photos, try to use the same framed shot.
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I have to strongly disagree about night mode. I got my p30 pro yesterday and HAD to test night mode. It was very dark and the pic looks as if I took it during the day.. just WOW...so kool! I love this phone. The battery charged 100% the next morning %99. Then use it off and on and right now %91. I again LOVE this phone.