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I can't take it. After getting spoiled by having a Galaxy Nexus for just over a few weeks- I find myself really wanting the Nexus 4 but since Verizon wants to go all Fascist about what gets on their precious network- all of us Verizon users are all stuck out in the cold.
Does anyone actually think that maybe there's enough demand for the Nexus 4 on Verizon's network that they might actually listen and change a policy or two so that they'll work with Google to get it?
Not a chance. Google learned their lesson with the horrible CDMA carriers.
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Not a chance. Google learned their lesson with the horrible CDMA carriers.
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This. It's not up to Verizon.
Just switch to T-Mobile if you're in a good area, it's fast enough
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Rod3 said:
This. It's not up to Verizon.
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Sure it is. Google won't deal with them because of the way they treat their network. I blame Verizon, not Google. And if Verizon sees it's going to hit them in the pocketbook, then that's how change is made.
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Just switch to T-Mobile if you're in a good area, it's fast enough
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I'm not. Verizon has the best coverage in this area. And I'm on a corporate plan.
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Sure it is. Google won't deal with them because of the way they treat their network. I blame Verizon, not Google. And if Verizon sees it's going to hit them in the pocketbook, then that's how change is made.
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Definitely not up to Verizon! When Google says they'll make a CDMA version, THEN its up to Verizon....Google is not making one...yet at least
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Simer03 said:
Definitely not up to Verizon! When Google says they'll make a CDMA version, THEN its up to Verizon....Google is not making one...yet at least
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Okay- so answer this, WHY did Google not want to make a CDMA version?
street9009 said:
Okay- so answer this, WHY did Google not want to make a CDMA version?
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Because CDMA sucks?
street9009 said:
Okay- so answer this, WHY did Google not want to make a CDMA version?
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Because CDMA technology isn't used in most of the world. It also costs more in licensing out the modems and radio technology. Google wanted to make the Nexus 4 a cheap, unified device. Putting it on a CDMA network would cost them more money if they wanted to keep this idea in play.
They aren't going to make a model for CDMA because 95% of the world uses GSM.
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Because CDMA sucks?
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And it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Verizon went Nazi and won't release timely updates to Android without extensive approval?
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And it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Verizon went Nazi and won't release timely updates to Android without extensive approval?
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The issue isn't Verizon not updating the device. Google could care less. It's about paying more money to get a device to run on an obsolete network. Read my previous post.
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And it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Verizon went Nazi and won't release timely updates to Android without extensive approval?
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That has something to do with it. Only apple gets away with that stiff it seems.
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The issue isn't Verizon not updating the device. Google could care less. It's about paying more money to get a device to run on an obsolete network. Read my previous post.
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Cute. So in other words- no Nexus 4 because Google could also care less about us Verizon folks using it or not.
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Okay- so answer this, WHY did Google not want to make a CDMA version?
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CDMA is a DEAD technology! Future is GSM!
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Cute. So in other words- no Nexus 4 because Google could also care less about us Verizon folks using it or not.
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I do not see how in anyway my response could be deemed "cute", but whatever.
And I said it's because Google doesn't want to be losing money on a device. The Nexus 4 is already DIRT cheap. Getting the proprietary CDMA radios licensed out for it would cost this thing called MONEY.
I'm on Verizon myself, but enjoy my Nexus 4 on T-Mobile. Stop your whining and get it on another carrier if you want it so bad.
If Google were to look at it from an American standpoint, yes putting it on our CDMA carriers would be logical as they have the largest consumer base, but they aren't. They are looking at it at a Global standpoint. We're one of the only countries that uses CDMA technology (yes there is a few small carriers here and there outside, but that's it). It makes MORE SENSE to put a device on a global standard format than one just for our carriers. The Nexus 4 was designed to be a cheap, fast, and universal device.
This is also the reason why the Nexus doesn't have full 4G LTE Support (Even though it can be tricked into reading 4G LTE rigidly with a MOD).
Licencing fees.
Either get a Nexus or Don't. Verizon can't do anything about a GSM device coming onto their network unless they were to redevelop it themselves, which in that case they probably would NOT sell it for $300.
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I do not see how in anyway my response could be deemed "cute", but whatever.
And I said it's because Google doesn't want to be losing money on a device. The Nexus 4 is already DIRT cheap. Getting the proprietary CDMA radios licensed out for it would cost this thing called MONEY.
I'm on Verizon myself, but enjoy my Nexus 4 on T-Mobile. Stop your whining and get it on another carrier if you want it so bad.
If Google were to look at it from an American standpoint, yes putting it on our CDMA carriers would be logical as they have the largest consumer base, but they aren't. They are looking at it at a Global standpoint. We're one of the only countries that uses CDMA technology (yes there is a few small carriers here and there outside, but that's it). It makes MORE SENSE to put a device on a global standard format than one just for our carriers. The Nexus 4 was designed to be a cheap, fast, and universal device.
This is also the reason why the Nexus doesn't have full 4G LTE Support (Even though it can be tricked into reading 4G LTE rigidly with a MOD).
Licencing fees.
Either get a Nexus or Don't. Verizon can't do anything about a GSM device coming onto their network unless they were to redevelop it themselves, which in that case they probably would NOT sell it for $300.
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Right. I got that from your first post. The "cute" was sarcastic.Guess I'll stick with Samsung for now.
And just where was I whining?
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Right. I got that from your first post. The "cute" was sarcastic.Guess I'll stick with Samsung for now.
And just where was I whining?
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Reiterating your belief that Verizon has control over a GSM device when people have told you they DON'T indicates whining to me.
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Reiterating your belief that Verizon has control over a GSM device when people have told you they DON'T indicates whining to me.
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No. Whining would be "But I reeeeaaaallllly waaaaaaannnnt iiiiittt! Why is Google so meeeeaaaann?"
I honestly had heard that Google stopped working with Verizon due to Verizon's policies about locking down phones on their network. They don't release updates in a timely manner at all. Hell even the GNEX still hasn't gotten 4.2.x from them. If you're not on a custom ROM, you're on 4.1.2 right now.
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No. Whining would be "But I reeeeaaaallllly waaaaaaannnnt iiiiittt! Why is Google so meeeeaaaann?"
I honestly had heard that Google stopped working with Verizon due to Verizon's policies about locking down phones on their network. They don't release updates in a timely manner at all. Hell even the GNEX still hasn't gotten 4.2.x from them. If you're not on a custom ROM, you're on 4.1.2 right now.
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If you really really want it that much, you'll switch to T-Mobile/AT&T and get one. Or even better, get yourself a straight talk sim card and no commitment, its only 45 bucks a month.
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So, as many of you know, Sprint took a huge fall from 2004-2006. They have since to recover fully to the mobile giant they once were, but as of recently, some monumental changes have been made. Many analysts even believe 2014 will be the year for Sprint. Lately, Network Vision has made a huge impact on many customers (including myself) with 4G LTE and upgraded 3G, the iDen (push-to-talk) network has been shut down for good, Sprint acquired ClearWire, and SoftBank invested in Sprint. They're even dropping the old "Sprint Nextel" name and switching to "Sprint Corp." as soon as the deal goes through.
So what do you guys think? With the owner of SoftBank, Masayoshi Son, willing to throw billions into Sprint for network upgrades, is Sprint making a comeback? Or should we just ignore all that and jump ship to AT&T or Verizon?
I'm fairly optimistic about Sprint myself, so I'd really like to hear some other opinions.
I think Sprint is about to make some power moves and some big ones.a friend of mine in Carolina has metro pcs phone service and when he pulls his battery out of his phone it says Sprint and has a Sprint logo and whenever Sprint makes a move so do they. They rolled out 4g lte at the same time, they have the same equipment, Sprint branding hidden throughout metro pcs devices something is brewing lol....
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I hope sprint doesnt forget about us who stuck with them. If sprint became number one you can bet they will be doing the same rates as verizon. 4g lte with unlimited is good but tmobile has the same and is catching up in the 4g lte department. Plus tmobile is gsm. Always a plus.
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Sprint in Indiana is 100x better since network vision upgrades started. Let's just hope softbank can fund sprint enough to cover all the roaming areas.
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Sprint in Indiana is 100x better since network vision upgrades started. Let's just hope softbank can fund sprint enough to cover all the roaming areas.
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With the Nextel Spectrum now available to Sprint's disposal, the sub-1 Ghz spectrum (the lower the frequency, the more coverage/wall penetration is has.) will help Sprint's national footprint by a longshot. This is only possible now because Sprint shut down the Nextel network on June 30th. Not only that, but for the crowded areas, Sprint has Clearwire with their enormous Spectrum holding, that they literally have enough spectrum to offer 100mbps speeds on their towers. This is completely up to Softbank and their plans, but from what I hear, Softbank is only going to make Sprint better for its consumers, and the duopoly in a few years will be hurting.
True. Killing nextel is huge. It will come together in the next 2 years. To bad our phones only support lte 1900. I'm happy to see them in the right direction. I'm sticking with them.
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dreDrennon1 said:
I think Sprint is about to make some power moves and some big ones.a friend of mine in Carolina has metro pcs phone service and when he pulls his battery out of his phone it says Sprint and has a Sprint logo and whenever Sprint makes a move so do they. They rolled out 4g lte at the same time, they have the same equipment, Sprint branding hidden throughout metro pcs devices something is brewing lol....
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that your friend had a sprint device metroflashed to metropcs, thats all that means.
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that your friend had a sprint device metroflashed to metropcs, thats all that means.
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No he didn't flash anything he bought the phone NEW from metro pcs and when he went to put the battery in the phone it was Sprint branded
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dreDrennon1 said:
No he didn't flash anything he bought the phone NEW from metro pcs and when he went to put the battery in the phone it was Sprint branded
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i dont know what kind of store your friend bought it at but i assure you metropcs has never sold a sprint like device. i have been working on their phone since the sgs1 days and they had a crappy knock off of the epic called the indulge 4g.
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No he didn't flash anything he bought the phone NEW from metro pcs and when he went to put the battery in the phone it was Sprint branded
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Because metro stores can by a lot of Sprint phones from a distributor , brand new in the box.
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i dont know what kind of store your friend bought it at but i assure you metropcs has never sold a sprint like device. i have been working on their phone since the sgs1 days and they had a crappy knock off of the epic called the indulge 4g.
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I don't know what kind of store it was but he called to ask me about a possible merger between the 2 companies when he saw it to see if I had heard anything because I worked for Sprint at the time I told I had not heard anything and he said his phone was branded Sprint with the Sprint logo in the battery compartment but the outside was metro pcs branding the phone he had at the time was their version of the original Motorola photon
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daniel4653 said:
Because metro stores can by a lot of Sprint phones from a distributor , brand new in the box.
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no corporate store would do that, they would rather try to sell you the phones metropcs actually has, they stopped the metroflash service for that reason
there was no version of the photon for them, us cellular had the electrify, but metropcs has NEVER had a moto android device
edit: turns out they did have a few metro phones here was their last one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXqXijDNvlU
I've seen plenty do that. I have brothers who are distributors and sell a couple dozen phones at a time to cricket and metro.
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no corporate store would do that, they would rather try to sell you the phones metropcs actually has, they stopped the metroflash service for that reason
there was no version of the photon for them, us cellular had the electrify, but metropcs has NEVER had a moto device
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Yeah that is the phone so it was us cellular my bad I got the little guys mixed up they both might as well be straight talk as far as I am concerned lol I don't have either one of them here in Nashville so I don't know what metro flash is bro Lol we have Sprint, Verizon, at&t, t mobile, cricket and simple mobile oh and of course straight talk thanks to Wal-Mart
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Either way it was a small company in a weak Sprint coverage area with Sprint branding inside the phone battery compartment
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dreDrennon1 said:
Yeah that is the phone so it was us cellular my bad I got the little guys mixed up they both might as well be straight talk as far as I am concerned lol I don't have either one of them here in Nashville so I don't know what metro flash is bro Lol we have Sprint, Verizon, at&t, t mobile, cricket and simple mobile oh and of course straight talk thanks to Wal-Mart
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not a problem. and since the reverse merger with tmobile is almost done, id suggest you keep your eye on metropcs. they had the first lte phone, first lte service in america, merged with tmobile to become the 4th largest carrier in america. now they have an agressive 2 year plan to shut off cdma and switch all of their prepaid customers to gsm within that time. as it turns out 60%+ of metro's customer upgrade their devices at least once a year. it will be interesting to see how much metro's cheap plans will end up cutting a hole into tmobile's famous 30 dollar plan.
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not a problem. and since the reverse merger with tmobile is almost done, id suggest you keep your eye on metropcs. they had the first lte phone, first lte service in america, merged with tmobile to become the 4th largest carrier in america. now they have an agressive 2 year plan to shut off cdma and switch all of their prepaid customers to gsm within that time. as it turns out 60%+ of metro's customer upgrade their devices at least once a year. it will be interesting to see how much metro's cheap plans will end up cutting a hole into tmobile's famous 30 dollar plan.
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We will see what happens I mean you merge with another company to be number 4 that doesn't sound like you are trying to make power moves to me that really won't affect us in our market because T-Mobile is not holding their own very well around here because their coverage sucks here for every 10 stores of the big 3 you see maybe 2 T-Mobile stores and all 4 have call centers here when I worked at Verizon when we had our quarterly meetings they wouldn't even mention T-Mobile if they did it was because they were the punch line of a joke lol
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I've been with Sprint for the first time since May of last year and I'm excited for them and what they have in store for us. I hope they bring 4G LTE to more areas quicker.
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We will see what happens I mean you merge with another company to be number 4 that doesn't sound like you are trying to make power moves to me that really won't affect us in our market because T-Mobile is not holding their own very well around here because their coverage sucks here for every 10 stores of the big 3 you see maybe 2 T-Mobile stores and all 4 have call centers here when I worked at Verizon when we had our quarterly meetings they wouldn't even mention T-Mobile if they did it was because they were the punch line of a joke lol
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Most people just consider T-Mobile just a regional carrier, specific to the west coast. So on the coverage end I don't think Sprint, being the nationwide carrier that they are, has anything to worry about. All I can see is that if Sprint doesn't pick up momentum on the west coast with LTE that T-Mobile could catch up. Right now the only real place that T-Mobile has LTE that Sprint doesn't yet is in Arizona, but Sprint is rolling it out now. Also, now with the SoftBank investment, Sprint has much more capital for a long term LTE and LTE-Advanced deployment. So with all these recent happenings, I see no reason to switch carriers :laugh:
Time will tell...After 14 years with Sprint I keep thinking about getting T-Mobile. I like not having to pay full price on phones though. Heck i make money. LoL. I have 5 lines so always have a upgrade to use.
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With SoftBank and Clear, Sprint has far too much potential for any of us to start being hasty. If your with the girl when she's fat...don't leave when she starts going to the gym.
They only problem they have is their roaming agreement. They have never solidified a good contract for it. The New plans even limit your roaming data and voice, it's they're only down fall imo. But when the build is near complete, that won't be an issue.
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If I remember right, I remember reading a leak somewhere that the next Nexus will be available on CDMA networks. I'll try my best to find the source if anybody wants it. But it'll take a while because I'm on my phone currently. If you do think it'll be available for Verizon and sprint, how would that work. As far as I know, Verizon's SIM cards aren't similar to GSM cards at all. So you'd need an actual SIM card from the Verizon store. Would that mean that Verizon would want complete control over the the phone like the Galaxy Nexus? How do you see this playing out?
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Nobody knows. Might as well as for tomorrow lottery winning number.
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The LG d120 that went through the FCC and is widely expected to be the next Nexus was both gsm and cdma compatible, as well as having LTE support for AT&T's, T-Mobile's, and Sprint's bands, but unfortunately not for Verizon's. This not good news for Verizon customers, since I doubt they'll allow it on their network without LTE support. I did read some speculation that there might be a separate model just for Verizon, but I kinda doubt it. It's more likely that Verizon are being their usual dickish control freak selves and don't want to play Google's open, unlocked game.
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I thought Google wasn't supporting cdma devices anymore. Didn't they drop support for the sprint galaxy nexus because of that? I pretty much thought they wanted to keep it simple and have just one device, since the rest of the world is gsm. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Please use one of the existing Nexus 5 threads. Discussion of a phone's successor is allowed, but having numerous threads is not.
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There must be a lot of people who don't know about Nexus Phones. All Nexus 6 phones are exactly the same no matter what carrier you decide to go through. Nexus phones do not have bloatware. There is a Nexus 6 for the U.S. and a Nexus 6 for the rest of the world. Both are the same except for different bands. I just wanted to set the record straight since I keep seeing posts asking what the differences are from carrier to carrier.
I had a Google employee say that it would have some carrier apps and receive updates from T-Mobile. Was this the case for the N5? Who updates that one?
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I had a Google employee say that it would have some carrier apps and receive updates from T-Mobile. Was this the case for the N5? Who updates that one?
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That google employee was misinformed. My n5 from Tmobile gets the same updates google pushes. No bloat.
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Nexus phones do not have bloatware.
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Tell that to the Verizon Galaxy Nexus I had.
Oh really? Well, Verizon is like a whole other ball game. I've never used Verizon, but they seem to really suck when it comes to phone releases, locked bootloaders, etc..
So it sounds like a device bought from the play store or Motorola directly will work on VZW with a previously activated nano SIM...my question is what downsides are there to going this route versus waiting?
VoLTE will be a big deal when VZW devices are upgraded to it...will a non-VZW nexus be able to take that upgrade? I assume dev support for this device will be strong but I would be hesitant to rely on that for such a critical (simultaneous voice and data) upgrade.
People that are going this route have no VoLTE support.... Nor can they do voice and data simultaneously... I am leary on going this route bc i refuse to pay 650 and the phone be limited and not fully supported.
However i really think the wait will be longer than we expected. I doubt vzw releases the nexus 6 this year at all. They are pushing Droid Turbo units as much as possible for however long
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We have no way of knowing the deal on volte so to say those that buy it from google play won't get it is just silly. The carrier version will be identical to the versions bought on google play except for a small carrier partition for ringtones and custom boot animations (look at what att did). I'm pretty sure the n6 has simultaneous voice and data but I'll check with my friend to confirm.
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We have no way of knowing the deal on volte so to say those that buy it from google play won't get it is just silly. The carrier version will be identical to the versions bought on google play except for a small carrier partition for ringtones and custom boot animations (look at what att did). I'm pretty sure the n6 has simultaneous voice and data but I'll check with my friend to confirm.
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Users have already confirmed it does not....and Volte requires a feature provisioning
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Ah well that's a bit of a bummer. Doesn't necessarily mean that the one from Verizon will though
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Ah well that's a bit of a bummer. Doesn't necessarily mean that the one from Verizon will though
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Well thats the problem...when and how long are you willing to wait? The purpose of a nexus is too have lollipop and the newest version of android
By the time Vzw releases devices like note 4 and s5 and moto x will already have their versions of Lollipop....smh
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And that's my concern...VoLTE isn't a Google enhancement, its VZW only. If VZW never releases the N6 it will likely never support voice and data...and even of they do release it, I am worried the update will be VZW-device specific. Maybe it can be ported, but that's a big maybe.
Its torture waiting as i have purchased every nexus at launch.. And i cracked my Nexus 5 screen last week ....i check vzwsupport twitter page daily. They continue to say they have no news on the nexus 6
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Its torture waiting as i have purchased every nexus at launch.. And i cracked my Nexus 5 screen last week ....i check vzwsupport twitter page daily. They continue to say they have no news on the nexus 6
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Amigo, soonest I'd expect N6 sold via VZW is New Year's.
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Amigo, soonest I'd expect N6 sold via VZW is New Year's.
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I hope your right lol, knowing Vzw it wi be end Jan early Feb
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The device will be the same device that's on the play store or any carrier for that matter...your SIM will work...and if you lose your SIM, Verizon will give you a new one..you may need to cut it depending on what phone you currently have, but you don't have to worry about service...you can even add your Nexus on your account using the "bring my own device" page...if VOLTE requires software from Verizon, it will surely get added to the custom ROMS...its a Nexus after all...most customizable phone available.