Thats right folks, the out edge of this that lies around the screen is very, very brittle and thin. I have never dropped the phone and it has been in my spigen leather pouch for my old nexus since I bought it, no idea how it got dented, and its only very slight without scratches but it is definitely there.. just a forewarning.
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Thats right folks, the out edge of this that lies around the screen is very, very brittle and thin. I have never dropped the phone and it has been in my spigen leather pouch for my old nexus since I bought it, no idea how it got dented, and its only very slight without scratches but it is definitely there.. just a forewarning.
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Strange. The Cruzerlite (which are thin TPU cases, cheap in my opinion) drop test stood up to NUMEROUS drops & the device survived without any sign of damage. Not a scratch or dent.
Is you device white or black? My old Nexus 10 had a defect in the black soft touch coating that looked like a dent, but it was more likely an issue in the molding or application process.
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Thats right folks, the out edge of this that lies around the screen is very, very brittle and thin. I have never dropped the phone and it has been in my spigen leather pouch for my old nexus since I bought it, no idea how it got dented, and its only very slight without scratches but it is definitely there.. just a forewarning.
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Pics?
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Mine is the white version, but the dent is on the top right above the camera, on the black portion, right where the side casing touches the glass. I would have a very hard time photographing this because of where it is on the phone/lighting etc.. ill try when I get home though.
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Thats right folks, the out edge of this that lies around the screen is very, very brittle and thin. I have never dropped the phone and it has been in my spigen leather pouch for my old nexus since I bought it, no idea how it got dented, and its only very slight without scratches but it is definitely there.. just a forewarning.
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I have about 5 or so nicks on the sides where the glass and plastic edge meet on my naked white N5. I agree that the plastic used is pretty brittle but it's not noticeable unless you really look for it.
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Get a sufficient case otherwise you can't really complain...
I have one little mark or nick as well where the plastic case meets the glass on that tiny little lip. My 2 year old got a hold of my phone and dropped it on a metal external hard drive case the day I got it and it landed right on 90 degree edge of the case... I went temporarily insane. It is very small but kind of surprised me I guess. I dropped my galaxy S3 many times and never got more than the little hairline scratches you see in glossy plastic. That soft touch coating seems to have some give to it. It was my fault. My parents gave my kids a new ipad mini and I set my phone on top of it. I was in the other room and heard him say "new tablet". I knew at that moment the mistake I had made...
I have one of those really slim cases on the way which would have prevented it. I typically don't use cases and am usually not bothered by the small marks I get on my phones but because some of those ultra thin cases are so slim now days I am going to try one out. Marking up a brand new phone is a little different than one that's a year+ old...
I too, also have a slight dent under the screen bezel part of mine. I have never dropped mine. Noticed it while it was on the table; that the reflection of the curtain was slightly bent at the one area, instead of being completely straight. Looked closely, and sure enough, there was a dent. It's not noticeable during day-to-day use, but you CAN notice it if looking at the reflection it shows.
The chrome bezel on the nexus 4 was susceptible to dents as well.
A few weeks ago the Nexus 5 flew out of my hands and landed on our concrete driveway. I feared the worst, but only a small dent in the upper left corner of the back panel and some scratching is all that happened. Lucky me, but I still hate it. Never had a single blemish on the Nexus 4.
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The sides of this phone are fine, besides the fact that they collect dust like crazy. The screen, however, is not. Another guy posting on Android Central also reported having a dent, similar to mine. I actually think this dent came with my device. I noticed it a couple of weeks ago, but disregarded it, as I thought it was the screen protector that came with the phone, but I decided to remove it and check again. It IS a part of the screen
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The sides of this phone are fine, besides the fact that they collect dust like crazy. The screen, however, is not. Another guy posting on Android Central also reported having a dent, similar to mine. I actually think this dent came with my device. I noticed it a couple of weeks ago, but disregarded it, as I thought it was the screen protector that came with the phone, but I decided to remove it and check again. It IS a part of the screen
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Normal. That's why most early glass screen protectors were not sticking properly.
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Normal. That's why most early glass screen protectors were not sticking properly.
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Normal? How is a dent on the screen normal? My Nexus 10 does not have this, my old Samsung Vibrant does not have this. Why would a dent on a Nexus 5 be normal?
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Normal? How is a dent on the screen normal? My Nexus 10 does not have this, my old Samsung Vibrant does not have this. Why would a dent on a Nexus 5 be normal?
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I would say it's normal because of the following reasons:
1) it doesn't effect the usage of the device in any way
2) it's barely noticeable even in the "perfect" lighting conditions
3) many have reported the exact same thing in the early tempered glass threads; the only time it has ever come up or been noticed.
So why exactly is it a problem for you? Corners were cut to make this phone at a cheap price I would think that's pretty clear. It's also not the screen itself but around it.
Dented
In my N5 have no dent and any scratch..
I love with my N5
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I would say it's normal because of the following reasons:
1) it doesn't effect the usage of the device in any way
2) it's barely noticeable even the "perfect" lighting conditions
3) many have reported the exact same thing in the early tempered glass threads; the only time it has ever come up or been noticed.
So why exactly is it a problem for you? Corners were cut to make this phone at a cheap price I would think that's pretty clear.
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There's a difference between "corners being cut" to make the device cheaper and really poor quality control. I understand them using a less camera module and a lower capacity battery, and a screen that washes out when tilted, etc, but the numerous issues with the hardware is ridiculous. Dents in screen, poor GPS connectivity, Wi-Fi problems, dust under screen, loose vibration motor, rattling buttons, and so on.
There is no reason for hardware bugs like this. To lower the price, lesser powerful hardware is used, but the low price is no excuse for poor quality. Like some users said, in terms of hardware, this device is like an alpha, and the only way to receive the "perfect" device is to continuously RMA.
We paid for the device, we should not be getting so many faults and issues.
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There's a difference between "corners being cut" to make the device cheaper and really poor quality control. I understand them using a less camera module and a lower capacity battery, and a screen that washes out when tilted, etc, but the numerous issues with the hardware is ridiculous. Dents in screen, poor GPS connectivity, Wi-Fi problems, dust under screen, loose vibration motor, rattling buttons, and so on.
There is no reason for hardware bugs like this. To lower the price, lesser powerful hardware is used, but the low price is no excuse for poor quality. Like some users said, in terms of hardware, this device is like an alpha, and the only way to receive the "perfect" device is to continuously RMA.
We paid for the device, we should not be getting so many faults and issues.
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How is it even a defect? It's not even noticeable. No one would consider it a hardware bug except apparently you. Please explain how this effects the usage of your device in any way.
Poor quality control is EXACTLY how corners are cut. Manufacturing anything has margin of errors and the less margin of error you're willing to release the more phones are "thrown away" and the more money a released device will cost. I'd explain more but I'm sure Wikipedia or a Google search can better explain the finer points of manufacturing and quality control then I can.
You read the specs of the phone and it has everything a $700 phone has but it costs $400. How did you think that was accomplished?
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You read the specs of the phone and it has everything a $700 phone has but it costs $400. How did you think that was accomplished?
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There is a lot of discussion about that price... but Google routinely undercuts the competition when it comes to the nexus line (looking at you, 7)
Looking at the specs of the 5, then looking at comparable phones out ing the market, the only conclusion I can come to is that Google is letting these things go at either zero margin, or (my thought) at a fairly beefy loss.... kicking back cash to LG to cover their losses.
All you need to do is look at the other phones available at the same full retail price... does the 5 seem anywhere close to those? Nope, it blows them all out of the water... laughable in most cases. Now, you can cut corners to lower prices, but you can't cut THAT much.
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There is a lot of discussion about that price... but Google routinely undercuts the competition when it comes to the nexus line (looking at you, 7)
Looking at the specs of the 5, then looking at comparable phones out ing the market, the only conclusion I can come to is that Google is letting these things go at either zero margin, or (my thought) at a fairly beefy loss.... kicking back cash to LG to cover their losses.
All you need to do is look at the other phones available at the same full retail price... does the 5 seem anywhere close to those? Nope, it blows them all out of the water... laughable in most cases. Now, you can cut corners to lower prices, but you can't cut THAT much.
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The actual cost break down might never be known. One thing is for sure though, LG is not willing to take any loss and whatever Google may have paid them "extra" they will still try and build the phone as cheap as they possibly can.
LG does not consider the Nexus as their flagship phone and will never treat it as such. It's a phone they were contracted to build and they will cut every corner they can. It's just business.
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Hello. I bought a galaxy note on 28th november. After only 2 weeks of absolutely normal and careful use, my screen is scratched and broken. Ok, it is a small crack, but it is not good.
It never fell and it never hit anything. After only 2 days, i noticed some scratchs and some other came in the days after. Then, the part of the screen between the upper edge and the speaker broke in two, with a crack (small, 5mm but still a crack) going from the edge to the speaker. I can't post a photo as i sent it back to samsung for repairs (it had also display issues). Do you know a reason for it? It should be gorilla glass, and i only kept it in my pockets without anything inside apart the smartphone. Do you think samsung will repair it since it happened during normal use after ONLY 2 weeks? I'm really annoyed and disappointed.
Anyone experiencing glass resistance issues?
Thanks
Call samsung and send it in they will fix it..
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Yes, i did it and i'm waiting, and i also adressed the lines issue and the green/banded screen, but i am in italy and i'm not sure if it is covered by warranty, it should: they can say i broke it.
The Corning Gorilla Glass was one reason I went with the SGS2.
The other reason was fear of provoking the wrath of God for having such a sensationally beautiful device (the Note). It's an awesome device, really.
But God smote those who worshiped a golden calf, too.
lol Sorry, I'm not really a religious fanatic. But yeah, sucks about your screen. Hope Sammy fixes that one up for you.
Welcome Nickelsilver and please don't take this personally and in NO way I'm defending Samsung or the Note but I have to say the neither scratches or dents/cracks come by their own.
They just don't happen/appear magically by themselves on the phone's screen/body. Maybe someone is messing with you Note without you knowing it?
E.g: I have 1mm small and barely noticeable scratch on the top left corner which I suspect it came from the ONLY 1 time my Note slipped from the passenger's seat and fell in the gap between the passenger's door/seat.
I went through 3 screens on my dell streak. Now that I have the note which is even bigger I was so cautious I treated it like a delicate fragile little flower. Needless to say after 2 weeks I noticed what appeared to be a scratch going up from the bottom middle halfway up. Turns out this is not a magical scratch that sprang out of nowhere but an actual crack on the outer glass screen. I have never dropped it but perhaps it was somehow flexed.
No warranty of course. I have ordered the glass itself from overseas and when it gets here in a month I suppose I will try replacing that piece individually as its only the outer glass that seems cracked. Hopefully they do not glue the screens together like they did in the streak ><
Another boring witch hunt thread (yawn)
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Another boring witch hunt thread (yawn)
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To OP: im sorry to hear that....hope samsung can fix it for you quick.
Ps. Dont listen and worry about this guy...he thinks only his opinions are important and others experiences are just JUNKS and BORING! Not sure why he would even bother to reply, if they really bores him that much. Maybe he really thinks that he BOOFY the witch hunter or something
Plus.. He forgot that he has also once posted a question regarding to his screen problem too here on the forum.
Gorilla glass is bull****. I had dell 5 streak, and I changed the screen more than 5 times. Little drop will result in screen loss. Do not depend on gorilla glass.
My Samsung Galaxy Note are broke
Yesterday I was knocked out of the hands under my 40 days old Samsung Galaxy Note, the cover glass is cracked along its entire length as a spider's web, while the LCD screen is not damaged, that still works, receiving the touch command. The solution I found in the orders of the new protective glass over eBay. Maybe that was too much angry because it happened to me, but NOTE is too amazing, and I somehow survive.. I'll let it be when we come new safety glass
I do not think this is a witch hunt. More of an informative thread on one weakness to an otherwise amazing device. It may be that until an indestructive clear glass is created that we will continually face this on any large phone. Anything this large will flex easily and likely crack. One thing Samsung definately did right was not glue the glass to the LCD behind it. I put a clear screen cover over mine and you cant even see the crack anymore. Were this a dell streak you would have half of your screen blacked out.
This is definitely the best mobile device out there in my opinion, people should just be extremely cautious with where they carry it. Mine most likely cracked in my pocket from slight flexing.
The glass on the note shouldn't break even when flexed unless it's not Gorilla glass.
Gorilla glass is not only scratch resistant,it is also shatter resistant.
If the glass is breaking frequently on the notes,then I wonder if they really have Gorilla glass.
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The glass on the note shouldn't break even when flexed unless it's not Gorilla glass.
Gorilla glass is not only scratch resistant,it is also shatter resistant.
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Not proof.
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Not proof.
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I know this is not 100% proof but look at this demonstration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYaQnvVwStc&feature=player_embedded#!
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I know this is not 100% proof but look at this demonstration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYaQnvVwStc&feature=player_embedded#!
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That demonstration glass at the beginning of the video is about 3 times thicker than what Samsung uses on the Note/Galaxy S2/Galaxy S SAMOLED panels. And it's quite a bit smaller, height/width wise (it's about iPhone 4 sized).
Thickness makes a significant difference in flexibility and shatter resistance. Which is off on a tangent, because the main reason Samsung and others uses GG and similar techniques is not for shatter resistance.
It's almost entirely for the combination of higher scratch resistance vs metals (all bets are off with sand particles) and a better tactile feel (it's smoother) than non-treated glass.
Sure it may not be as thick on the note but you are never going to flex the phone anywhere as much as that demonstration.
My point is that if it is gorilla glass,it shouldn't be that easy to crack the screen given the abuse that it is supposed to be able to take.
All these? Gorilla Glass
And all these? Gorilla Glass
How about all these? Gorilla Glass
Or maybe all these? Gorilla Glass
It's been 10 days since i bought "the Note". I dropped the device just once from 1 meter height. It was a free fall with not much impact power. The screen has a crack on the upper right corner. I know every product is meant to last but so easy , so fast ! ??? Thankfully it still works with no functional issues. It's just the protective glass on top of the actual LCD that is broken. But u can still feel it while wiping your finger and it is appearent...
Hardware wise The Note is simply outragous but when it comes to software and durability it can't even come closer to what i used to find on HTC devices
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It's been 10 days since i bought "the Note". I dropped the device just once from 1 meter height. It was a free fall with not much impact power. The screen has a crack on the upper right corner. I know every product is meant to last but so easy , so fast ! ??? Thankfully it still works with no functional issues. It's just the protective glass on top of the actual LCD that is broken. But u can still feel it while wiping your finger and it is appearent...
Hardware wise The Note is simply outragous but when it comes to software and durability it can't even come closer to what i used to find on HTC devices
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The weight of the note will count against it during falls compared to say a very light phone like the SG2.Impact is going to be much harder if they both fell from the same height especially given te size of the notes screen.
Until they can make the note lighter,users will just have to be more careful not to drop it.Gorilla glass is not unbreakable.
I get my note tomorrow. Now I'm all paranoid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkb5Qe_-0k0
Thought I'd share this video with you guys, this is mostly for those who want to keep their phones without any case so they may be able to take the proper precautions.
And for those who don't want to watch the whole video, skip towards 3/4 of the video and you will see the Nexus 5 screen break down after just one drop on it's screen, it was still functional but it was badly damage so this is more so you all may be careful and see what could happen if you phone falls just once on its screen at chest level.
hate too see this kind of test, obviusly if I drop the phone it will be somehow damaged, even if I drop my worst enemy head will be damaged.. just wasting of time and money
That was PAINFUL to watch, i cringed :crying: , wow i was very very surprised how bad it did, whole sections of the screen dettached themselves from the phone, I seriously thought gorilla glass was stronger
pretty brutal
prob grabbing a case just because of the camera protrusion however this helps reinforce that decision
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hate too see this kind of test, obviusly if I drop the phone it will be somehow damaged, even if I drop my worst enemy head will be damaged.. just wasting of time and money
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this guy gets sent free phones to do these tests
Good video, but I can't stand cases.
Takes a cool looking phone and makes them look like bricks out of the 1980s.
No thanks. Keep your phones cool, don't be scared.
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That was PAINFUL to watch, i cringed :crying: , wow i was very very surprised how bad it did, pieces from the screen went even missing , i seriously thought gorilla glass was stronger
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Gorilla Glass is just that - glass. It doesn't take side damage or flat landing good at all. The way Apple, Samsung & co are trying to protect the glass from drop damage is using an extra rim around the front panel, something that is missing from the Nexus 5, so no surprises that the screen cracked. What surprised me is the rigid plastic that shattered way too easy, it's something really cheap sorry to say.
The N5 is a lot more fragile than the N4. The phone isn't as rugged, though.
The N5 has no aluminum rim bezel as the N4. My N4 has fell from about the same height and only the bezel got dented. It is that rugged.
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Gorilla Glass is just that - glass. It doesn't take side damage or flat landing good at all. The way Apple, Samsung & co are trying to protect the glass from drop damage is using an extra rim around the front panel, something that is missing from the Nexus 5, so no surprises that the screen cracked. What surprised me is the rigid plastic that shattered way too easy, it's something really cheap sorry to say.
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One of the advertising points for the N5, Moto X, and I believe G2 is the side-to-side glass. The extra rim isn't missing; it is intentionally left off. I love that combined with Pie controls.
But yes, the Gorilla Glass is just glass. I agree with your point here. It is supposed to be scratch resistant, not drop-proof diamond material. People always seem amazed by these videos when the glass breaks. Guys, it is glass, it breaks when you drop it. It doesn't matter if it's a phone, a computer, a TV, or even a watch. Glass breaks when it hits something hard at a decent speed. Nothing surprising there.
I never understood the purpose of these drops tests. Wouldn't you have to drop hundreds if not thousands to arrive at a conclusion? There are tons of people who post that their screen broke on a drop but someone would come on and say they dropped there's and only got a dent.
When they do crash ratings on cars, they do very specific tests at pre-determined angles of impact, etc...
These drop videos are some random dude that drops it and the phone lands at some random angle.
Remind me not to drop this thing! I miss the days when you could drop a phone and the worst thing that happened was the battery cover popping off...
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Remind me not to drop this thing! I miss the days when you could drop a phone and the worst thing that happened was the battery cover popping off...
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Yeah, they were like Legos. You drop the phone, it shoots one way, the battery case shoots another way, the battery itself shoots a third way. Although that was unintentional, it is interesting that they make phone cases like that now. I can't recall off the top of my head, but I remember one that was designed to break into multiple parts when it was dropped in order to minimize the impact on the phone itself. Interesting idea. Never owned one, though.
Ordering case now
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I'm usually very anti case, but the red one in the Play Store looks rad so I'll probably swoop on one of those
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I can't wait til sapphire is the standard on phone screens. I would easily pay extra for a screen made with it.
I agree with you are all saying, sure is just glass and it is likely to break when dropped I mean we all know that is obvious but I decided to post this as a fair warning to every owner cause I have a Samsung S1 aka Captivate and have accidentally dropped it on the screen and not even a scratch, so yeah I know it depends on the build and materials so figured people should be more careful with their N5s.
Is the back cover removable? On the drop test it seems like it is.
I'm asking because I've to choose from a real bumper and a bumper with a protection on the back.
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Is the back cover removable? On the drop test it seems like it is.
I'm asking because I've to choose from a real bumper and a bumper with a protection on the back.
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Easy to remove. Just drop your phone! But it probably could be removed, if you were so inclined. I can't imagine why you'd ever want to though. Because your warranty is likely toast if you do. And it may never go on correctly again. Just keep checking Youtube, a teardown video will be up soon enough they will see how hard it is to get off.
EDIT: Nevermind here is the video. Fairly easy to get off. But it is glued at the bottom so your results may vary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-jDvZtpEJ8
I guess it's a good thing I don't drop my phones. :good:
So the only reason why I have not pre-ordered, is the potential screen self cracking.
I have used an iPhone 4s for three years before I switched to Moto X. Even though both sides were glass (with aluminum side) that phone was sturdy and really well build. I used a plastic thin case that provides very minimal bulk/protection.
I've dropped it from my lap exiting my car and just falling off my desk. It has hit cement, road, or even tiles. Luckly it never hit face first. The metal band got dinged of and some chips on the edges. The glass however is flawless (except a scratch from keys).
Can anyone provide a honest comparison of the Z3 Compact with a iPhone 4s? Also even with this inconsistent "self cracking" screen, do you guys still recommend me getting it?
We don't really know how widespread the screen-cracking issue is, but I would say the overwhelming majority of people have had no problems with it, so I'm not terribly worried.
In terms of build quality, I don't have an iPhone to compare with, but my Z3c at least feels fantastic. There's no give on any components, nothing loose, everything's flush, no gaps between glass and edges.
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We don't really know how widespread the screen-cracking issue is, but I would say the overwhelming majority of people have had no problems with it, so I'm not terribly worried.
In terms of build quality, I don't have an iPhone to compare with, but my Z3c at least feels fantastic. There's no give on any components, nothing loose, everything's flush, no gaps between glass and edges.
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I should also state that, I am fully aware a dual sided glass phone is extremely fragile when dropped. I just want to hear about peoples opinions of its build quality.
Also one question, I have sat (lightly) on my phone in my back pocket on a office cushioned chair or car seat and nothings ever happened (iphone 4s and moto x). Would the z3 compact be any different? (more prone to breaking?)
I can't answer that. It feels solid, but I'm not going to go out of my way to sit on, bend and twist it to see if it'll break. I keep mine in my front pocket.
It doesn't feel remotely flimsy, if that helps.
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In terms of build quality, I don't have an iPhone to compare with, but my Z3c at least feels fantastic. There's no give on any components, nothing loose, everything's flush, no gaps between glass and edges.
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Personally I would have preferred if the finish was a bit less flush (edge to glass and glass to camera) because without a case there is no lay-on-the-table protection whatsoever against scratches, the camera glass and the sides are at exactly the same level.
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Personally I would have preferred if the finish was a bit less flush (edge to glass and glass to camera) because without a case there is no lay-on-the-table protection whatsoever against scratches, the camera glass and the sides are at exactly the same level.
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I agree! Thats why when I had my iPhone 4s, i normally had a case on it. Otherwise caseless, I kept it in my pocket or on some notebook/paper/cloth. Im feeling more comfortable about buying the phone now!
I upgraded to the Z3c from the iPhone 4S. The 4S took tens of drops varying from 2 feet off a bed onto carpet and 4 feet onto concrete. Only two years later did it finally crack the glass in the corner when dropped on concrete. I owned my Z3c for a week before it slid out of my pocket when sitting down. Falling 1 foot onto laminate tile and cracking horizontally across the back.
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I upgraded to the Z3c from the iPhone 4S. The 4S took tens of drops varying from 2 feet off a bed onto carpet and 4 feet onto concrete. Only two years later did it finally crack the glass in the corner when dropped on concrete. I owned my Z3c for a week before it slid out of my pocket when sitting down. Falling 1 foot onto laminate tile and cracking horizontally across the back.
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no case?
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Not yet :'( Was waiting for a nice bumper to come out. Never did I expect it to break so easily.
I have looked at and read about the Z3 C and it has its excellent points( camera etc).
Durability is not one of them, glass on back scratches easily but also is not very flexible, so can crack from flexing as well as impacts IMO.
Also , glass on back is not usually Gorilla or Dragontrail.
To make a Z3C durable, tempered glass screens front and back are needed, plus a case, preferably with rigidity to prevent flex and some shock absorbing later.
Or the,Rhino bumper might work, we will see.
Just my honest opinion.
Meh, Z3c camera's overrated IMO.
But the phone seems as solid as every other phone I've ever had. However, the materials seem a bit less lower quality than the 4s -- plastic sides, for example, and a lot of ports, buttons, flaps etc. which tends to make things feels a little less refined than the more minimalist iPhone. But at the end of the day it's just a functional object, not a design icon to be put on a pedestal.
Having heard the stories of cracking glass on the Z3c, however, I'm gonna be a little more careful with this phone than any of my previous phones (including the Nexus 4, another double-glass phone). But remember the iPhone 4 also had its own glass-cracking problems when launched.
Coming from an Iphone, I can see how you would think
the Z3 Camera overrated.
But I am thinking of Z3 C versus Alpha and took quick
Photos in Mall recently with a new Z3C at Sony Store,
and an Alpha and S5 at.AT&T nearby, same Mall.
Details and sharpness, the Z3C was good in Super Auto,
and slightly above Alpha and S5 in 20.7mp mods.
Just judging for sharpness , detail, and no tweaking just about 4 or 5 shots each one.
Friend's Note 4 was ahead of all , easy to see this.
But the Z3 was very very good, I was surprised,after reading complaints, lol.
This Z3C had the very quiet Speakers, but good,Camera.
IMO the quality control needs to be higher and Software
Optimised for Carriers on 4G to 3G data, texts etc.
messaging, calls....
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Meh, Z3c camera's overrated IMO.
But the phone seems as solid as every other phone I've ever had. However, the materials seem a bit less lower quality than the 4s -- plastic sides, for example, and a lot of ports, buttons, flaps etc. which tends to make things feels a little less refined than the more minimalist iPhone.
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I couldn't agree more with that. I don't have owned a iPhone 4 but a friend of mine have a 4S and it fell already almost dozen times... Soles scratches but no crack at all, it's impressive considering all other iPhone cracked.
But the only that I regret on the Z3c is that it doesn't have the aluminium finish like his old brother and the volume button curved line Z Ultra. Maybe z4 ? Who knows... :sly:
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I have read many mixed reviews of this glass screen protector here, on other forums, and on Amazon.
Amazon's the best, IMO, because you're reading product reviews from real everyday normal folks from all different walks, so the compilation of reviews includes the whole range of skill level.
Inarguably, the Whitestone Dome Glass protector is probably THE MOST difficult to install, save the fact that the kit includes an allignment jig that helps installation inmeasurably. I recently did this (this evening) and can't imagine attempting this without such a jig, though I understand similar UV activated glue is available to use with separately sold glass protectors.
So I'll start with some background info to set the scene for accuracy...
I'm a landscaper by day, but a jeweler part time. That means I chunk heavy crap around all day long like a farmer, but on the weekends I show off my dexterity like a watchmaker.
That's important, because this installation requires steady, confident hands, much forethought, patience, and it ain't cheap!
Sooooo...
Let me say that I was really nervous. I already accepted the idea that I might have to decide whether to purchase another one or go a different route and just choke on losing 45 dollars.
I watched 8 YouTube videos on installation, including one completely failed installation, and a demonstration on the removal of one.
The package arrived today but was outside the house in the cold. Of course I wanted to pop it on immediately, but figured that it should warm up to temperature first.
During that time I prepped my table. I used a marble to see if it was level. During preparation, i also prepared myself for the possibility of failure. LOL!
I layed out all of the items like I was about to perform surgery.
CLEAN, CLEAN, CLEAN!
Use those dust removal stickers! Even after you let the glue fall and remove the "bridge", check again for dust.
Don't flail about to much. That simply stirs up dust.
"Relax", is the best advice I can give. Peeling the backing off the glass from underneath it so dust that's in the air doesn't land on the inside surface sounds like a logical idea, and you should, but static from peeling it can become a pain.
If you're calm enough, you can do this just like the videos.
I wiped the edges after the first and second curing with the UV light. I did end up with excess flow out one side, and on the other side during the second wipe down, I had an ever so tiny bubble (if you'd even call it that) on the edge. The bubble was from wiping away the partially curred glue, which pulled a tiny, TINY bit out. (Literally one third the size of the exposed part of the SPen tip.)
I remedied this OCD-killer by using a toothpick dabbed in what remained at the top of the glue tube and simply touched it to the edge, which sucked it right in to fill the tiny void.
I used the UV light several times with the idea that it simply couldn't hurt to do it as often as I could.
My screen literally looks like a perfect install. Absolutely fantastic, as Sakitech would say!
I would say the skill level required for this is about average, but you really have only one chance to get it right, and there are a few steps that need to be followed perfectly or else they can trip you up.
Watch those videos. Many show people doing an imperfect installation with decent or good results, but after watching several you'll see just how to avoid mishaps.
On a different note, I did notice something very strange while utilizing the UV light; there is a weird shape in the center of the screen that shows up under the light. I have no idea what it is, but it shows as a slightly different color in the center third of the screen, nearly full length with rounded corners and perfectly symmetrical. I'm assuming it's an adhesive beneath the screen for the interactive SPen screen? I dunno. Kinda neat.
Anyway, after reading reviews stating problems with lifting of the edges of the Whitestone Dome, I figured I would contribute here by checking in and giving updates as to the longevity of this very beautiful, but slightly expensive and fiddly (to say the least) installing screen protector.
Feel free to ask any questions.
O.K., so not a month, but 3 weeks later:
Bear in mind that I do NOT abuse my phones. I do tend to coddle a nearly $1000 phone.
So far the screen saver has been great. No lifting at the corners like others have experienced.
I have my Note 8 in an Amovo wallet case- Good stuff; check it out on Amazon.
I remain thrilled with my Whitestone screen protector.
I certainly cannot say that I don't notice that it's on there, but it's only the edges that I can see. While I'm immersed in actually using the phone, I notice nothing at all.
I'm now considering getting one for my S8+, which currently sports a cheap edge adhesive glass screen saver that feels like there's room to slide a business card under.
AddictedToGlass said:
O.K., so not a month, but 3 weeks later:
Bear in mind that I do NOT abuse my phones. I do tend to coddle a nearly $1000 phone.
So far the screen saver has been great. No lifting at the corners like others have experienced.
I have my Note 8 in an Amovo wallet case- Good stuff; check it out on Amazon.
I remain thrilled with my Whitestone screen protector.
I certainly cannot say that I don't notice that it's on there, but it's only the edges that I can see. While I'm immersed in actually using the phone, I notice nothing at all.
I'm now considering getting one for my S8+, which currently sports a cheap edge adhesive glass screen saver that feels like there's room to slide a business card under.
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Same here with mine. Very satisfied. Nearly 3 months now and it's been rock solid for me.
Same here, great bit of kit.
Agreed - I love my Whitestone. It picked up a scratch, and I used the new warranty facility to replace it. It's not exactly cheap (around £20) to get the replacement, but it's better than having to buy one at full price.
This one ended up being a little more fiddly to install, but that was my fault - I allowed the LOCA to flow too far towards the bottom of the device before dropping the glass. I had tiny cluster of bubbles near the power switch which I worked out with some patience, and I also ended up sticking the jig together because I cured it for too long before removing the phone. However, the overall result is better than my original install, and I haven't had the touch up the edges of this one at all.
As much as I want to use the whitestone, I have some pretty big issues with it right now. For one, the glass is unnecessarily big. If the flaps that went up around the top were just a little smaller, it'd be compatible with so many more cases. The other issue is the type of glass their using. I don't know what it is, but it collects oil and gunk REALLY well on the surface of the glass (not the edges). I especially notice it on colder days (which we have plenty of in minnesota), but it's like the oil builds up into a thick layer that I have to wipe off with a cloth. All my whitestones have been like this. I ended up ordering a cheap full adhesive protector from amazon, and even though it has that STUPID black border and doesn't stick at the edges properly, it's sized way better than the whitestone and the glass feels of a much higher quality.
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As much as I want to use the whitestone, I have some pretty big issues with it right now. For one, the glass is unnecessarily big. If the flaps that went up around the top were just a little smaller, it'd be compatible with so many more cases. The other issue is the type of glass their using. I don't know what it is, but it collects oil and gunk REALLY well on the surface of the glass (not the edges). I especially notice it on colder days (which we have plenty of in minnesota), but it's like the oil builds up into a thick layer that I have to wipe off with a cloth. All my whitestones have been like this. I ended up ordering a cheap full adhesive protector from amazon, and even though it has that STUPID black border and doesn't stick at the edges properly, it's sized way better than the whitestone and the glass feels of a much higher quality.
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Strange, no oil/grease issues like that with mine and it's plenty cold here too (unfortunately!). I haven't even had to wipe often for fingerprints and stuff. Not sure what would be causing that type of problem.
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Strange, no oil/grease issues like that with mine and it's plenty cold here too (unfortunately!). I haven't even had to wipe often for fingerprints and stuff. Not sure what would be causing that type of problem.
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Agreed - I would say it has one of the better oleophobic coatings.
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Agreed - I would say it has one of the better oleophobic coatings.
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Maybe I've just been getting bad batches? idk.
I've had no problems with mine. Looks and works great! My wife's has started to come up on a corner. It's because she was mishandling it and not realizing what she was doing. All the warnings that we are aware of she is basically unaware of because... I don't know. It's still working for her and doesn't bother her. I don't plan on using another brand when I have to replace hers.
After 3 months the glue went bad on mine and started peeling on a top corner, then it went down both sides over night. Frankly at £40, it needs to last a lot longer for that money.
So;
It's mid August, 6½ months after the installation and it still looks great.
To be fair I have to mention that I do have two phones I use on a daily basis, but the Note is used for many more hours a week as a tablet as compared to my naked S8+, which I really only use to make and take calls.
In other words, the Note sees a lot of touch screen activity.
The Whitestone is holding up much better than I expected, given all the problems I've read about it. I do have a very subtle problem spot on the right side edge right in the middle where it has started to bubble. Though it's really only visible at certain angles, and quite small, my OCD magnifies this visual defect a great deal for me! When I hand over my phone to someone (always reluctantly...LOL) to view a picture or an app, I still get compliments on the screen protector, and no one has ever pointed it out to me. (It is very small.)
IT HAS DONE IT'S JOB...
-At least once, because there's a small scratch in the surface of the glass. Again, another thing hardly noticable, but if it were in the screen itself of my Note, I would be very upset. (Give me 6 more months to get to the point where it's perfectly acceptable for this handheld device to show signs of use.)
A CORNER DID START TO LIFT...
Last month, the upper right hand corner developed a very small bubble. I knew right away from what I've read that this might be the start of the end of this screen's life. But I continually massaged the screen down many times, and it actually worked and resealed.
My take on this is that firstly, it's been ridiculously hot in my region. That might've helped with resealing. But secondly and most importantly, I never allow dust to get near my phone.
Dust is the enemy. A single microfiber particle between the screen and glass cover might've made resealing impossible. People pop their phones in their pocket all the time, and because the phones are dust proof now, it's even easier to take for granted what they are exposed to. As soft and protective as pockets are, they expose phones to a lot of dust. (Look at the lint trap in a clothes dryer!)
IN CONCLUSION...
I'll keep monitoring this thread to answer any questions, but I'll probably only post an update of when the Whitestone finally needs to be replaced. At that point I'll probably throw some photos up before I remove the old one.
As far as I'm concerned it has already exceeded my expectations of longevity, and I'll gladly be getting a replacement when the time comes. But I will continue to try to get the most life out of this one despite the small lift on the edge.
BTW...
The "problem" side of my screen is where it had less of the LOCA bleeding out of the edge during installation. Even though the puddle of adhesive was dead center when I dropped the glass on, when I wiped the excess from the edges, the right side had less run-off. Right now I'm wondering if I wiped the excess off of the edges too soon. During the next installation, I'll be sure to give more time for the glue to stay where it needs to.
COMPARED TO NO SCREEN PROTECTOR...
Well, I never, ever, ever have used any of my smart phones without a screen protector. But I finally grew weary of the cheap crappy edge-adhesive glass protector I had on my S8+, and threw it out! The screen would often not register touches, etc, and was an under-screen dust catcher. I havn't bought a Whitestone for it yet because I spend so little time using it that I keep forgetting. So for about 4 months, I've been using my S8+ with no protection save a case that does have a screen flap (like a wallet).
I have a small rub mark on the screen, hardly noticable, but it's there.
If and when I purchase a Whitestone for that phone, I'll post here as to whether or not the LOCA actually hides that mark, as I've read in other threads that it can hide existing scratches presumably because it fills them in (makes sense).
A FINAL PLUG FOR THE NOTE 8...
I doubt the NOTE 10/X will wow me enough to drop my 8 like a wet sock and bolt to the store. I do figure that it'll be feature-packed since the advances of the 9 weren't anything crazy special. But I'm far from tired of this phone and given what I paid for it, I expect I'll have it long enough to have to perform the inevitable battery replacement surgery before I finally upgrade.
I believe the Whitestone protection will help me stay that course. :good:
Only used it for a couple of days. The coating on the right side is already worn out. There is no damage at all (any kinds).
I have contacted Google though Chat on the website. I was told "this is cosmetic damage, it shouldn't affect the device functionality". They will not issue a replacement.
This is probably my last Google purchase for a while. Do your Pixel 5as have the similar problem?
due to the nature of the covering it is susceptible to discoloration. try cleaning it with a quality cleaning agent on a soft cloth. a mild bleach water solution, or something similar.
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due to the nature of the covering it is susceptible to discoloration. try cleaning it with a quality cleaning agent on a soft cloth. a mild bleach water solution, or something similar.
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I tried to clean it.
It seems to be a common issue.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/peq1j6
jlduan said:
I tried to clean it.
It seems to be a common issue.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/peq1j6
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it is and will continue to be. put a case on it or get used to it.
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it is and will continue to be. put a case on it or get used to it.
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I don't know whether it would deteriorate or not.
If we all choose to be 'nice' customers to big corporations, they may never improve their QC or manufacturing, don’t you think?
When I wet my phone with 75% rubbing alcohol to clean it I can definitely see the grips from the machine that was holding the case to transport it through the coating solution. Pictures below. There are some circles and straight lines, which to me look like marks from the gripper. They are not visible when the case is dry.
There are two areas on mine that are somewhat shiny and look like grease. I tried to return it but was told I can only get a refurbished phone. The other option is to return it entirely and order a new one. However, I found out that they charge you a $30 restocking fee.
For now I can live with it. It's definitely a manufacturing issue with their coating process that leaves us customers unsatisfied. I think the coating is fine, it's just not uniform.
jlduan, if you look at the second image you can see the same lines you observe, even with it's double line.
In summary, I believe this has more to do with the coating process than the battery.
cheers
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When I wet my phone with 75% rubbing alcohol to clean it I can definitely see the grips from the machine that was holding the case to transport it through the coating solution. Pictures below. There are some circles and straight lines, which to me look like marks from the gripper. They are not visible when the case is dry.
There are two areas on mine that are somewhat shiny and look like grease. I tried to return it but was told I can only get a refurbished phone. The other option is to return it entirely and order a new one. However, I found out that they charge you a $30 restocking fee.
For now I can live with it.
In summary, I believe this has more to do with the coating process than the battery.
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Thanks for the photos. I just wiped mine with water. I don't have those circles. I really hope it is just the coating, not some consistent heat distribution problem.
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Thanks for the photos. I just wiped mine with water. I don't have those circles. I really hope it is just the coating, not some consistent heat distribution problem.
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yeah, even in yours you can tell it's the coating. Wetting is affected by the direction and the very coating roughness.
You do have one of the circles though towards the left of your fingerprint reader.
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PS: seeing that the battery cover is available for the Pixel 5 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/1541683815...1291&msclkid=f3019a2da8fd19bc6aedfb1235325eb1), there will likely be some available for the 5a in the future to change it or even to change the color. I like to tinker...
PSS: actually aliexpress already has it
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003282679401.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.60235233Kmb7KF&algo_pvid=d675d96e-627a-4515-8f1e-d1910e22a881&algo_exp_id=d675d96e-627a-4515-8f1e-d1910e22a881-0&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000025009231411%22%7D
derausgewanderte said:
yeah, even in yours you can tell it's the coating. Wetting is affected by the direction and the very coating roughness.
You do have one of the circles though towards the left of your fingerprint reader.
cheers
PS: seeing that the battery cover is available for the Pixel 5 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/1541683815...1291&msclkid=f3019a2da8fd19bc6aedfb1235325eb1), there will likely be some available for the 5a in the future to change it or even to change the color. I like to tinker...
PSS: actually aliexpress already has it
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003282679401.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.60235233Kmb7KF&algo_pvid=d675d96e-627a-4515-8f1e-d1910e22a881&algo_exp_id=d675d96e-627a-4515-8f1e-d1910e22a881-0&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000025009231411%22%7D
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If you don't mind ruining your waterproof rating, I guess this works as a potential solution. I'm not sure what coating is being discussed in this thread, but if they apply some chemical (maybe oleophobic coating) then you're not going to have that on a replacement back.
derausgewanderte said:
yeah, even in yours you can tell it's the coating. Wetting is affected by the direction and the very coating roughness.
You do have one of the circles though towards the left of your fingerprint reader.
cheers
PS: seeing that the battery cover is available for the Pixel 5 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/1541683815...1291&msclkid=f3019a2da8fd19bc6aedfb1235325eb1), there will likely be some available for the 5a in the future to change it or even to change the color. I like to tinker...
PSS: actually aliexpress already has it
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003282679401.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.60235233Kmb7KF&algo_pvid=d675d96e-627a-4515-8f1e-d1910e22a881&algo_exp_id=d675d96e-627a-4515-8f1e-d1910e22a881-0&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000025009231411%22%7D
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Thanks for these links.
It is nice to know there are already replacement battery cover ready! It will be my last resort. Right now, water resistant is kinda more important
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If you don't mind ruining your waterproof rating, I guess this works as a potential solution. I'm not sure what coating is being discussed in this thread, but if they apply some chemical (maybe oleophobic coating) then you're not going to have that on a replacement back.
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of course that will go out the window. The coating is a thin polymeric coat on top of aluminum.
Not to be rude, but this seems like a petty complaint. You really should get a case anyway. Problem solved.
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Not to be rude, but this seems like a petty complaint. You really should get a case anyway. Problem solved.
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A $450 device shouldn't be discoloring itself in less than a month of use.
I remember $400 on a Nexus 5 for my wife back in 2013 and I was impressed with what I got for the price. Back then, flagship phones didn't really exist like they do now. People need to realize manufacturers are going to cut corners to keep prices down with what average person can actually afford. Considering the $450 I spent on my Pixel 5a I am extremely impressed with the build quality. Even still, a Spigen case was ordered and put on the phone immediately after I removed it from the box. Anyone that wants a pretty phone with glass or aluminum to show off without using a protective case should probably buy another phone? I bought the 5a mainly for the software experience.
Mine has the same color issue I noticed it the first day in sun. I'm have a black moss google case due any day now. I was wondering if it was just my pixel changing color. I wiped it off and it disappears for a bit then comes back. I'm not sure why they are that way.
Will this phone has coating chipped out like Pixel 5 ?
(not my photo.)
I think the coating on the 5a is a new process not done on prior Pixels as far as I understand. You might still get scratches, but I don't think it will flake off like in the picture. It's very thin polymer coat fused with the Aluminum.
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Only used it for a couple of days. The coating on the right side is already worn out. There is no damage at all (any kinds).
I have contacted Google though Chat on the website. I was told "this is cosmetic damage, it shouldn't affect the device functionality". They will not issue a replacement.
This is probably my last Google purchase for a while. Do your Pixel 5as have the similar problem?
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The device has a plastic-coated back. This is not a flagship glass back or aluminum/metal phone. Yes, plastic, even plastic coatings, will show wear, it will scratch. You bought a budget device, this is one of the drawbacks you have to live with. I'd go even as far as to say be happy it is actually an aluminum back with a plastic coating instead of straight up plastic. Putting it in your pocket will show wear on plastic just from the friction of sliding it in and out of your pocket.
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A $450 device shouldn't be discoloring itself in less than a month of use.
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These days a $450 device is a budget to midrange phone. Your comment makes it seem like it is a $1k flagship which needs to have zero imperfections.
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I remember $400 on a Nexus 5 for my wife back in 2013 and I was impressed with what I got for the price. Back then, flagship phones didn't really exist like they do now. People need to realize manufacturers are going to cut corners to keep prices down with what average person can actually afford. Considering the $450 I spent on my Pixel 5a I am extremely impressed with the build quality. Even still, a Spigen case was ordered and put on the phone immediately after I removed it from the box. Anyone that wants a pretty phone with glass or aluminum to show off without using a protective case should probably buy another phone? I bought the 5a mainly for the software experience.
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The Nexus 5 was a plastic back phone. I still have one in a drawer somewhere. This one has an aluminum back with plastic coating. I would say the Pixel 5A is just as good of a deal if not better. Especially if you account for inflation. As for flagships, yes they were definitely a thing then. That was exactly the time the flagship killer came out, the OnePlus One. It was marketed as the flagship killer. And... For $350 it was plastic backed and had zero water resistance.... Just like the Nexus 5. Lets not forget that both of these devices did not even have stereo speakers.
I don't want to defend Google, a giant, super rich corporation, but come on people, have some common sense. This isn't a Pixel 6. You bought it because it was relatively cheap for decent hardware and great software support. The back is plastic coated, that will wear of super duper easy no matter what and that should have been super obvious. Get a case. Stop caring about superficial imperfections and enjoy your phone for what it is, a good, affordable phone with good specs and great software.
Cheesethief, this is not wear though. It's a manufacturing inconsistency. I get your point.
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Cheesethief, this is not wear though. It's a manufacturing inconsistency. I get your point.
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It was more in reply to the OP who said his issue appeared after a few days of use. A few days is all it takes for plastic I see your point about manufacturing defects/inconsistencies too though.