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[Q] Soft bricked fixed but what to do now

after lots of efforts i can able to full wipe my NOTE now plz tell me what to do i can format emmc / data / system / cache / sd-ext / sd card /
and after that i can do now full wipe and it is sucessufully full wiped now
plz tell me m i still bricked or i can install the rom now if yes then which rom last time i tried lpf at same stage but stuck at factoryfs... plz help me
edited: problem solved by this thread superbb......
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1667886

Recommended to stay on some kind of CM9 build ROM/kernel because it is "safe" from the brick bug. Probably should PC Odin back to a GB rom and start fresh though.

plz tell me in detail what to do now is it clear that phone is in condition to flash now bcoz fulll wipe is successfully done with cwm now

You got hardbricked, see general there is thread on how to fix it. I suggest send for repair at Samsung.
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sun2sunny said:
after lots of efforts i can able to full wipe my NOTE now plz tell me what to do i can format emmc / data / system / cache / sd-ext / sd card /
and after that i can do now full wipe and it is sucessufully full wiped now
plz tell me m i still bricked or i can install the rom now if yes then which rom last time i tried lpf at same stage but stuck at factoryfs... plz help me
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Download one of the older Roms from here and try to flash it using PC Odin.
If it gets stuck on NAND WRITE! or factoryfs, you have a brick.
Your best bet would be to head to the nearest Samsung service center if you are bricked.

nothing works buddiess... now telll me can a local mobile shop can repair it with jtag device bcoz in my county we hav to facility of samsung service center

sun2sunny said:
nothing works buddiess... now telll me can a local mobile shop can repair it with jtag device bcoz in my county we hav to facility of samsung service center
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Not even one superbricked Note was revived by JTag AFAIK. We all had to have our motherboards replaced.

the shopkeeper is saying they can do it after opening device and repair it emmc chip with jtag soldering he said no device is totaly dead by software it can b repair by tools

now he is saying i m repairing PDA of galaxy note he said 90% chances are it will b fine after this

What exactly is the pda? That surely means the whole device?
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sun2sunny said:
the shopkeeper is saying they can do it after opening device and repair it emmc chip with jtag soldering he said no device is totaly dead by software it can b repair by tools
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No one has been able to JTAG, but if you want to pay him and take a chance, that is up to you. Tell him if it doesn't work, you don't pay.

i havnt pay him anything for jtag ...............
but i solved my problem with this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1667886

Hard Bricked Galaxy Note GT-N7000 - Possible Fix?

Hello!
During flashing leaked kernel my phone was on soft brick, I wiped cache partition and data in CWM. This was the end of my beloved Note, it is 100% dead and none of the possible fixes posted works so far.
I have heard there is a possible fix by re partitioning and connection the phone in Linux environment, this way the computer reads the phone and can be fixed by repartitioning and could get into download mode. Please let me know if anybody confirms this.
Alternatively, what is the next step. My phone is still under warranty but I am scared if Samsung would find out the history of rooting or as my Phone is 100% dead they would not be able to find out, confused.......
If the motherboard needs to be replaced, how much would it cost, where should I take and most important if my phone recovers can I still play around with custom ROMs?
Look forward to suggestions bring my phone live as I purchased it on loan and it brings immense pain to pay emi for a dead phone.
Regards,
AK

Even it bricked by emmc bug, there shud be download mode still available
-First try to get other charged battery (or charge yours) and try to put in download mode, and look to Lt upper corner what is your flash score. If it is zero, simply reclain warranty.
-Otherwise try this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=26285877

dr.ketan said:
Even it bricked by emmc bug, there shud be download mode still available
-First try to get other charged battery (or charge yours) and try to put in download mode, and look to Lt upper corner what is your flash score. If it is zero, simply reclain warranty.
-Otherwise try this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=26285877
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Thanks. I tried using charged batteries but still does not get into Download Mode also after reading somewhere I tried to connect using Odin assuming screen would be black but Odin detects. Even this did not work
So, no way of getting DM or looking at binary count.
Regards.
AK

Your phone is under warranty yet you are asking for costs? Those "recovery" method will give you a "crippled" device in terms of mem capacity.
So go and claim warranty. They wont know anything since your phone is totally dead anyway.
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praetorius said:
Your phone is under warranty yet you are asking for costs? Those "recovery" method will give you a "crippled" device in terms of mem capacity.
So go and claim warranty. They wont know anything since your phone is totally dead anyway.
Sent from my GT-N7000 using xda app-developers app
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Hey, I just cam back from SS service. they said it could be a motherboard issue and they are replacing the motherboard.
Does that mean they would install the Stock Rom from fresh, I am sure yes.
Waiting for my recovered phone and educating myself to safely play around with custom ROMs.
One last question, which is the best stable custom ROM available for Galaxy Note, in terms of UI and better battery life?
Many Thanks.
AK

avinay4you said:
Hey, I just cam back from SS service. they said it could be a motherboard issue and they are replacing the motherboard.
Does that mean they would install the Stock Rom from fresh, I am sure yes.
Waiting for my recovered phone and educating myself to safely play around with custom ROMs.
One last question, which is the best stable custom ROM available for Galaxy Note, in terms of UI and better battery life?
Many Thanks.
AK
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Congrats on the replacement;
Custom ROM's are kind of personal preference, Best bet is to do your research now while you wait and you can decide for yourself which features you like / want / need in a ROM..
Suggestions to check would be ParanoidAndroid / CleaNote from my point of view, I've tried both but still run Stock ICS with custom Kernel.. Suits my needs...

while gaming, my phone suddenly hang and i decide to restart the device itself. upon booting, i am stuck at the "samsung" logo. I have tried flashing stock rom and kernel but to no avail. i can still go into download mode and recovery mode. Anybody know whats gone wrong?
And if i send for waranty, it is a one to one exchanged?

driftkids said:
while gaming, my phone suddenly hang and i decide to restart the device itself. upon booting, i am stuck at the "samsung" logo. I have tried flashing stock rom and kernel but to no avail. i can still go into download mode and recovery mode. Anybody know whats gone wrong?
And if i send for waranty, it is a one to one exchanged?
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what is the current rom on your phone? have you tried going to recovery and wiping dalvik cache? still same thing? If it is, worst case you can try (since both Recovery and Download works still) is to wipe data in recovery and restart your phone again(Don't try doing this if your using an infected kernel and/or in ICS Rom)
Going back,
You have a soft bricked phone.. Why would you exchange it for warranty? you can easily fix your issue without returning it to Samsung.

letters_to_cleo said:
what is the current rom on your phone? have you tried going to recovery and wiping dalvik cache? still same thing? If it is, worst case you can try (since both Recovery and Download works still) is to wipe data in recovery and restart your phone again(Don't try doing this if your using an infected kernel and/or in ICS Rom)
Going back,
You have a soft bricked phone.. Why would you exchange it for warranty? you can easily fix your issue without returning it to Samsung.
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i am currently using stock ics 4.0.4 with GL NOTECORE kernel. i have tried wipe dalvik cache but still didnt solve it. i will try wipe date later. thanks

ya, format data does solved it. i am wondering whether will soft brick cause any damage to the hardware?

help
hello

Same problem...pls HELP !!!
I tried to install a custom rom and then the horror began. I can't turn it on geto to download or recovery mode.. I sent it to service because I still have a warranty but I don't know will they see the history of installed roms. The man I talked to said to me that they can do it but I read a comment that it is impossible to see so I got a hope. They also told me that it could be about motherboard and that they will do everything they can to save it. I am really afraid of losing my Note. I hope you guys will help me and tell me sth good.. I am also interested is it possible to fix it with usb jig. ?
thanks, my regards..

Already it's with samsung. If they cant do anything to revive, its a motherboard replacement.
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ive been trying to get my note n7000 fixed now way to get it to work jtag just doesn't work boot loader wont go in the phone at all new phone it is

nedzad95 said:
I tried to install a custom rom and then the horror began. I can't turn it on geto to download or recovery mode.. I sent it to service because I still have a warranty but I don't know will they see the history of installed roms. The man I talked to said to me that they can do it but I read a comment that it is impossible to see so I got a hope. They also told me that it could be about motherboard and that they will do everything they can to save it. I am really afraid of losing my Note. I hope you guys will help me and tell me sth good.. I am also interested is it possible to fix it with usb jig. ?
thanks, my regards..
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Don't worry, if it is with samsung alrd. They'll sure give you replacement of the motherboard if they can't do anything to your existing one. This is considered as the "manufacturing fault", and therefore, they must be able to replace it.
1st few batches, N7000 came out under gingerbread 2.3.6 technology, and it worked very well without the eMMC brick bug. It is happened only when they upgrade to ICS, with their own stock kernel, which triggered the brick bug.
So long as they are delaying the fix for their own stock kernel with the eMMC brick bug removed, I think samsung is still liable to give replacement to user, no matter what you did to your device. As long as it is eMMC brick bug, and you have your warranty.
Why ?
very simple... Even most of the samsung sales person on their respective outlets, they know a lil bit or perhaps don't know at all about this bug. Unless the sales person is those who likes to play with handphone like most of us here.
And if they do know... they won't tell you as well about this bug. Otherwise, will you buy it ? :fingers-crossed:
So as a consumer, we have the right to be replaced if the bug has been triggered due to factory reset / wipe of data, since no one told us about this. **peace**.
Really do hope you get your replacement once they call you to take your phone.
Good Luck !
Sent from the corner of this rounded earth.

antique_sonic said:
Don't worry, if it is with samsung alrd. They'll sure give you replacement of the motherboard if they can't do anything to your existing one. This is considered as the "manufacturing fault", and therefore, they must be able to replace it.
1st few batches, N7000 came out under gingerbread 2.3.6 technology, and it worked very well without the eMMC brick bug. It is happened only when they upgrade to ICS, with their own stock kernel, which triggered the brick bug.
So long as they are delaying the fix for their own stock kernel with the eMMC brick bug removed, I think samsung is still liable to give replacement to user, no matter what you did to your device. As long as it is eMMC brick bug, and you have your warranty.
Why ?
very simple... Even most of the samsung sales person on their respective outlets, they know a lil bit or perhaps don't know at all about this bug. Unless the sales person is those who likes to play with handphone like most of us here.
And if they do know... they won't tell you as well about this bug. Otherwise, will you buy it ? :fingers-crossed:
So as a consumer, we have the right to be replaced if the bug has been triggered due to factory reset / wipe of data, since no one told us about this. **peace**.
Really do hope you get your replacement once they call you to take your phone.
Good Luck !
Sent from the corner of this rounded earth.
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Thanks man.. you really encouraged me.. So they should give me a replacement.. I am still worried because the man that I talked to told that this kind of problem where I installed a bad rom is not under warranty so that is what scares me the most..
thanks for help...
Just to say:
Galaxy Note GT-N7000, ICS 4.0.4
regards...

driftkids said:
while gaming, my phone suddenly hang and i decide to restart the device itself. upon booting, i am stuck at the "samsung" logo. I have tried flashing stock rom and kernel but to no avail. i can still go into download mode and recovery mode. Anybody know whats gone wrong?
And if i send for waranty, it is a one to one exchanged?
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seems to be peculiar issue.. they should exchange for sure.. Sorry, I don't have much idea on this..

i'm very impatient..
Hey guys,
I just want to inform you that my Note is at service for 3-4 days... I am contacting them every day and they say it's not done yet.. So I hope it means that they're working on it... I will write if something new happens..
My Regards, Nedzad

Hey
I contaced service and they told they couldn't do anything yet.. Repairman told me that they will get a new JTAG repair box in 20 days and then they will fix it for free.. I think it is a good news

gr8

[Q]Galaxy Ace Hard Brick by flashing s5830i ROM on s5830

[Q]Galaxy Ace Hard Brick by flashing s5830i ROM on s5830.
so my Questions are:
- Will Jig USB work on it?
- what will Samsung Service Center cost/charge?? As mobile was import from other country & its warranty ended 3 months ago also.
- A shop does offer JTag service & its listed on http://www.jtagbox.com/category/jtag-dealers/ how much should i pay them for it??
How it got Bricked?
- by mistake flashed s5830i ROM Retribution beta 4 on s5830
- when selected Restart after Installation Completed, cell phone never turned back On again.
thanks waiting for your responses

I did the same thing to my first phone...flashing a rom while i was tried..didnt see the i...duh.. luckily I got a replacement for free from koodo cause i was within 14 days. Not sure if it can be fixed by the service center or the cost but it is definitely hard bricked. Sorry.

Sadly to say, it is hard brick. I did the same on my phone once, flashed with S5830i and that was it, i tried Odin method, jib USB but it never even turned on. Luckily my warranty was still on course and the phone center never made it to turn on again, so they replaced the motherboard for a new one and it worked. I never tried the riff jtag but i've heard is the only method to bring a phone to life after hard brick. Good luck

If your phone is still in warranty and it does not turn on at all
Just go to service center act all nooby and tell them I was using the phone and suddenly it switched off and did not switch on again
They will never be able to figure out it was rooted or anything
- - Greetings From India

jumbobombo said:
If your phone is still in warranty and it does not turn on at all
Just go to service center act all nooby and tell them I was using the phone and suddenly it switched off and did not switch on again
They will never be able to figure out it was rooted or anything
- - Greetings From India
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i got it fixed, got it JTag install for Rs1000 in Lahore, Pakistan.
my warranty ended few months ago.

can cpu be replaced on galaxy note.

hello i wish i had joined here before i did a dreaded Update Samsung Galaxy Note N7000 to CM10 Jelly Bean and bricked my phone,
sent it away and hoped jtag fix it but the report came back so before i use it as a expensive doorstop i wondered if cpu can be replaced.
here is the report.
Unit(s) Booked in: n7000
Problem as Described by Customer:
Samsung Boot / Jtag / UnBrick / Dead Phone / Software Repair Service (mail in repair service) (Phone Model:Samsung Galaxy Note (Samsung N7000) IMEI Number:******************* )
Engineers Notes for Customer:
Here is where engineers will leave notes for you regarding your job as and when work is carried out.
£29.99 REFUNDED CANT REPAIR: Tried to repair via JTAG But CPU is dead
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= JTAG REPORT =
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Open serial port...OK
Connecting to the RIFF Box...OK
Firmware Version: 1.33, JTAG Manager Version: 1.44
Connecting to the dead body...OK
Detected dead body ID: 0x4BA00477 - CORRECT!
Set I/O Voltage reads OK, TCK Frequency is OK
Resurrection sequence started.
Establish communication with the phone...OK
Initializing internal hardware configuration...OK
Uploading resurrector data into memory...OK
Starting communication with resurrector...OK
Detected an Initialized FLASH1 Chip, ID: 0x0015/0x0001 (VIS00M, 0x0003AB400000 Bytes = 14.68 GB)
Detected an Initialized FLASH2 Chip, ID: 0x0015/0x0001 (VIS00M, 0x000000080000 Bytes = 0.50 MB)
Flashing the dead body...
ERROR: Timeout while waiting for DCC Loader response, CPU is DEAD
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Can only be done by changing the motherboard. That's what Samsung do for bricked devices

ERROR: Timeout while waiting for DCC Loader response,
means that your Emmc cannot be flashed and is faulty.
CPU is DEAD is not a riffbox response for as far as I know.
And your CPU would be the 1st in history dying from a failed flash....
look here : http://faq.riffbox.org/index.php?action=artikel&cat=4&id=55&artlang=en
What exactly does your phone still do, or is it as dead as can be ?
When you hook it up to the PC and try to power it on, does the pc see something on the usb port ?
Even if the screen stays black ? (ofcourse with a battery that has juice)

thanks for the response.
friedje said:
What exactly does your phone still do, or is it as dead as can be ?
When you hook it up to the PC and try to power it on, does the pc see something on the usb port ?
Even if the screen stays black ? (ofcourse with a battery that has juice)
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1;dead
2:nothing registers when hooked upto a computer
so what would be advised as my next move please

Next Move pay samsung for a mobo replacement or change your phone
Tapatalking on my n7000

i found this and wondered would i have not a case with samsung under faulty parts as i can say i did a factory reset?.
i live in northern ireland so how would i go contact samsung to at least price fixing it.
EMMC brick has caused many users to permanently brick their Galaxy Note and it would not turn on at all then. Why? Apparently, Galaxy Note N7000 units have been shipped with faulty EMMC chips. That, when trying to factory reset or full wipe your phone using ClockworkMod recovery or any recovery using Samsung stock ICS kernel as base, it will brick Galaxy Note permanently.
Not just on official stock firmwares, it also happens when you install a leaked ICS custom ROM or simply install a custom ROM that has been using Samsung’s stock ROM as base can trigger the EMMC brick problem on its full wipe or factory data reset. There is more to it, but let’s not get into the details and move towards the solution.
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http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/location/supportServiceLocation.do?page=SERVICE.LOCATION

ziceman said:
i found this and wondered would i have not a case with samsung under faulty parts as i can say i did a factory reset?.
i live in northern ireland so how would i go contact samsung to at least price fixing it.
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Just tell them you had done a factory reset and that's what killed your phone. Don't volunteer any other information and they'll have
to fix it free of charge.

nearest is Glasgow on the mainland and its Carry-In Only so thats not a option, have sent a email to samsung waiting for reply.
EDIT: just got the reply and im ballsed as i swapped it for a ipad and no reciepts exchanged and no contact details for him.
To help us confirm your warranty status, please provide us with the following information:
1) Serial number (located underneath the battery, begins with S/N: R)
2) IMEI number (also located underneath the battery)
3) Date and place of purchase
4) Your full postal address
We can then process a service request for your device and provide you with the necessary details. You will need to provide proof of purchase when you send the device to us.
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hi all big thx for your help.
i thought i should have the decency not to ask and run and never be seen again so i come back to tell you that its fixed by Samsung repairs and it's back working and updated to jellybean, i think i stay clear of rooting in case they have put same faulty batch motherboard in .
once again thx.

ziceman said:
hi all big thx for your help.
i thought i should have the decency not to ask and run and never be seen again so i come back to tell you that its fixed by Samsung repairs and it's back working and updated to jellybean, i think i stay clear of rooting in case they have put same faulty batch motherboard in .
once again thx.
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What version of JB?

ziceman said:
hi all big thx for your help.
i thought i should have the decency not to ask and run and never be seen again so i come back to tell you that its fixed by Samsung repairs and it's back working and updated to jellybean, i think i stay clear of rooting in case they have put same faulty batch motherboard in .
once again thx.
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Did you said samsung updated it to JELLYBEAN?
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+1 and don't flash a new kernel yet. Screenshot of "about phone" would be good :thumbup:
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So you can share it to xda and you can bring enlightenment to developers here.. :thumbup::beer:
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Phone dead.

S3 Mini not starting
hi
i have a problem
my phone was always starting into recovery when i tried to boot it normally into the system
so ive tried to reflash maclaws recovery with heimdall
and now phone isnt starting at all
not even splash where it says Galaxy s3 mini
screen is just black
when i try to load it i dont get a battery icon
can someone pls pls pls help me?

Lefl said:
S3 Mini not starting
hi
i have a problem
my phone was always starting into recovery when i tried to boot it normally into the system
so ive tried to reflash maclaws recovery with heimdall
and now phone isnt starting at all
not even splash where it says Galaxy s3 mini
screen is just black
when i try to load it i dont get a battery icon
can someone pls pls pls help me?
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On which partition you flashed recovery.did you changed partition option to kernel2? Cause in s3 mini recovery should be flashed at kernel2

qasim799 said:
On which partition you flashed recovery.did you changed partition option to kernel2? Cause in s3 mini recovery should be flashed at kernel2
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i did it with heimdall-cleanui, i think it was on GBT or GRT or GPT or something like that
i guess that was a huge mistake,
I found something intresting were some people can get into Download mode with a 301k Ohm resistance and a micro usb cable, but that was for the S3 and im not sure if that can work.
i would put the instructions here but i dont know if you understand german

Look here: http://www.android-hilfe.de/showthread.php?p=7249762
Hit me with the thanks button

Lefl said:
I found something intresting were some people can get into Download mode with a 301k Ohm resistance and a micro usb cable, but that was for the S3 and im not sure if that can work.
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If I understand it correctly, this 300k resistor trick is the same as a USB jig, and should work on the S3 mini. It may be worth a try building one is you can find instructions. Nothing to lose!
Maris

Lefl said:
i did it with heimdall-cleanui, i think it was on GBT or GRT or GPT or something like that
i guess that was a huge mistake,
I found something intresting were some people can get into Download mode with a 301k Ohm resistance and a micro usb cable, but that was for the S3 and im not sure if that can work.
i would put the instructions here but i dont know if you understand german
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Oh that is same which I did you flashed it on mbr, gpt now your phone is completely dead .if you unbrick it you will get other problems like no imei etc the best solution I suggest is to take it to samsung and claim it in warranty.DON'NT DO ANY THING BY YOUR SELF BECAUSE WARRANTY WILL AVOID AND SAMSUNG WOULD NOT ACCEPT IT.

qasim799 said:
Oh that is same which I did you flashed it on mbr, gpt now your phone is completely dead .if you unbrick it you will get other problems like no imei etc the best solution I suggest is to take it to samsung and claim it in warranty.DON'NT DO ANY THING BY YOUR SELF BECAUSE WARRANTY WILL AVOID AND SAMSUNG WOULD NOT ACCEPT IT.
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If i can get it to work with the resistance (ill try tomorrow) and my imei is really lost and i can recover it without wiping the internal storage then im fine, ive got a backup of my efs there

Lefl said:
If i can get it to work with the resistance (ill try tomorrow) and my imei is really lost and i can recover it without wiping the internal storage then im fine, ive got a backup of my efs there
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Restoring you efs would not restore your imei because novathor phones don't save their imei in efs I restored it many times but my imei doesn't came back so give to samsung they would give a new phone for free .don't tell them anything you did just say it was running fine and suddenly bricked.

ok ive tried the resistance, didnt worked
qasim799 said:
Restoring you efs would not restore your imei because novathor phones don't save their imei in efs I restored it many times but my imei doesn't came back so give to samsung they would give a new phone for free .don't tell them anything you did just say it was running fine and suddenly bricked.
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dude i dont think theyll give me a new one my warranty is expired for 2 month now AND its rooted.
If anyone can tell me a good (and not too expensive) service in Europe (good) or better in germany it would be very helpfull.

Lefl said:
ok ive tried the resistance, didnt worked
dude i dont think theyll give me a new one my warranty is expired for 2 month now AND its rooted.
If anyone can tell me a good (and not too expensive) service in Europe (good) or better in germany it would be very helpfull.
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ok i found w-support.com but they say it a standard-repair would cost 112€ but thats not a real standard repair is it?

Lefl said:
ok ive tried the resistance, didnt worked
dude i dont think theyll give me a new one my warranty is expired for 2 month now AND its rooted.
If anyone can tell me a good (and not too expensive) service in Europe (good) or better in germany it would be very helpfull.
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go to any good phone repair center and he would unbrick it using jtag riff box and then you would get other problems likr internal storage 0 b and some yellow text on screen and factory mode then come back here ask me i have best solutions

qasim799 said:
go to any good phone repair center and he would unbrick it using jtag riff box and then you would get other problems likr internal storage 0 b and some yellow text on screen and factory mode then come back here ask me i have best solutions
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aha found a guy who jtag it and flashes the Stock rom, if i have any problems then ill ask.

ok found out that
Code:
dmesg | tail
detects it,
but im still going to send this to someone who can JTAG it

I have s3 mini that is completely dead. Tried to fix it with usb jig, but nothing happened. Any suggestions?