iOS 7 was released on September 18, 2013.
7.0.1 came out September 19.
7.0.2 came out September 26.
7.0.3 came out October 22.
7.0.4 came out November 14.
That's 4 updates in 2 months. Three in the (approximately) first month.
KitKat came out October 31. No updates so far, over a month in.
I understand that you might respond, "well iOS needs so many updates because it has so many bugs." And that might be true. But unquestionably, KitKat has some things that could be adjusted (at a minimum, it'd be nice if they tweaked the volume a little bit on the N5). And surely there are various bugs that could be fixed.
Is this pretty typical? I can't help but wonder why Google takes so long to push out updates, even if they are minor. I'd rather get a couple of minor updates over the course of a month or two than to have to wait 3 or 4 months for a single, bigger update.
A couple of those updates were for security issues that HAD to be updated quickly, considering the bad press they were getting.
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A couple of those updates were for security issues that HAD to be updated quickly, considering the bad press they were getting.
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^Sums it up, it'd be a big deal if they were major updates like 7.1.x etc. but like @speedyink said they were just security patches
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I'd rather get a couple of minor updates over the course of a month or two than to have to wait 3 or 4 months for a single, bigger update.
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We don't always get what we want.
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phositadc said:
iOS 7 was released on September 18, 2013.
7.0.1 came out September 19.
7.0.2 came out September 26.
7.0.3 came out October 22.
7.0.4 came out November 14.
That's 4 updates in 2 months. Three in the (approximately) first month.
KitKat came out October 31. No updates so far, over a month in.
I understand that you might respond, "well iOS needs so many updates because it has so many bugs." And that might be true. But unquestionably, KitKat has some things that could be adjusted (at a minimum, it'd be nice if they tweaked the volume a little bit on the N5). And surely there are various bugs that could be fixed.
Is this pretty typical? I can't help but wonder why Google takes so long to push out updates, even if they are minor. I'd rather get a couple of minor updates over the course of a month or two than to have to wait 3 or 4 months for a single, bigger update.
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i dont get these android vs ios threads. if your unhappy, go back to ios then. you dont need to keep looking for reasons.
Google does it this way because it works for them, i honestly dont see a problem with it. whatever bugs that are on stock are usually fixed on a custom rom. Try doing that with an iphone
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Whatever bugs that are on stock are usually fixed on a custom rom. Try doing that with an iphone.
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Not trying to hate on custom roms, but most of them have their own bugs and are not for the everyday user. Some might say the N5 is developer phone but it works on Sprint, AT&T and T-Mobile and I know Sprint is selling it on contract to average users.
The main issue with the N5 is obviously the camera. I can't even use some apps anymore and the camera breaks to a green screen while using those apps. I know the fix is coming, but it's kinda annoying to have to reboot my phone every 30 minutes to be able to send snapchats or use the camera again. Also hearing so many stories about people returning an otherwise great phone because they cant get the camera to work. So I guess I semi-agree with the OP that Google needs to fix some things now, but can also understand why they haven't yet.
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if your unhappy, go back to ios then. you dont need to keep looking for reasons.
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I think all he was trying to say was that he wished Google was a tiny tiny little bit like Apple sometimes. If this was the IPhone 5 they would be getting murdered by the media. Not necessarily unhappy with the phone or Google's services, just patiently waiting for a fix on a few crucial things.
Updates will come when they're ready. I know I don't want an update for the sake of getting a update. Too many times I've seen stuff rushed to fix something and break many other things.
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Not trying to hate on custom roms, but most of them have their own bugs and are not for the everyday user. Some might say the N5 is developer phone but it works on Sprint, AT&T and T-Mobile and I know Sprint is selling it on contract to average users.
The main issue with the N5 is obviously the camera. I can't even use some apps anymore and the camera breaks to a green screen while using those apps. I know the fix is coming, but it's kinda annoying to have to reboot my phone every 30 minutes to be able to send snapchats or use the camera again. Also hearing so many stories about people returning an otherwise great phone because they cant get the camera to work. So I guess I semi-agree with the OP that Google needs to fix some things now, but can also understand why they haven't yet.
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Bro, that's an example of something you don't say here at XDA. "Most of them have their own bugs" well duh! It's been about a month and ROMs take a few months to iron out all the issues. But when that stable or RC CM/AOKP/Beanstalk/Slim build comes out, there's no complaining. Simply good features and good speed. :victory:
Why shouldn't Google market it as a good smartphone for the average user? Just because it's a Nexus doesn't mean its destiny belongs at XDA...it's got good speed, stability, features and screen. What else could you wish for at the price of $349/399 or $450 on carrier?
It's not like iOS 7 was good upon release. You wanna see the lag on my iPad Mini that wasn't fixed until 7.0.3? Bro, there's no reason that they should be releasing anything that lags that hard on a major device that still constituted a major part of their lineup at ios7 release; simply unacceptable. The updates were methods of solving problems such as lag (it's much better now with Reduce Motion and Increase Contrast).
You're an XDA user man. Look around for a fix, don't just sit there. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2516061
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I understand that you might respond, "well iOS needs so many updates because it has so many bugs." And that might be true. But unquestionably, KitKat has some things that could be adjusted (at a minimum, it'd be nice if they tweaked the volume a little bit on the N5). And surely there are various bugs that could be fixed.
Is this pretty typical? I can't help but wonder why Google takes so long to push out updates, even if they are minor. I'd rather get a couple of minor updates over the course of a month or two than to have to wait 3 or 4 months for a single, bigger update.
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A software update won't magically melt the extra glue in your N5. It was already determined that speaker sound required a hardware modification. There is a fix for volume on the N5 already, I think Google is aware of this and might put it in 4.4.1.
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Bro, that's an example of something you don't say here at XDA. "Most of them have their own bugs" well duh! It's been about a month and ROMs take a few months to iron out all the issues. But when that stable or RC CM/AOKP/Beanstalk/Slim build comes out, there's no complaining. Simply good features and good speed. :victory:
Why shouldn't Google market it as a good smartphone for the average user? Just because it's a Nexus doesn't mean its destiny belongs at XDA...it's got good speed, stability, features and screen. What else could you wish for at the price of $349/399 or $450 on carrier?
It's not like iOS 7 was good upon release. You wanna see the lag on my iPad Mini that wasn't fixed until 7.0.3? Bro, there's no reason that they should be releasing anything that lags that hard on a major device that still constituted a major part of their lineup at ios7 release; simply unacceptable. The updates were methods of solving problems such as lag (it's much better now with Reduce Motion and Increase Contrast).
You're an XDA user man. Look around for a fix, don't just sit there. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2516061
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1) I didn't say custom roms don't get the bugs iron out i've been rooting/flashing for 4-5 years now and have used some amazing roms. I said they were not for the everyday user and if you don't know what you are doing it can be a hassle.
2) A lot of people argue that the Nexus 5 is a developer phone. I didn't say it was destined for XDA I almost said the exact opposite since average users are buying it.
3) Never said IOS 7 was good/bad nor have I ever used IOS. In your comparison though, lag vs. the entire camera not functioning.
4) I know how to search im just more of a lurker... and I've used that camera app before. The problem is not the quality of the image/camera and that is what that app is aiming to fix. I actually think the N5 is able to take great pictures in most situations. The problem with the camera is that while using apps that utilize the nexus's camera it will become unusable giving you a black/green screen with noise making the camera unusable until you reboot the phone.
I know the camera issue does not affect many users who do not use apps like snap-chat and a few others (or I think using face-unlock will also trigger this) but a lot of less tech savvy have been returning the phone thinking it doesn't function properly. For tech savvy users like us we know the new camera API is coming and can wait it out.
Also, they are exclusively featuring camera on the N5 in all of the commercials I have seen.
Funny story to go with this also. My GF suggested that I need to get a new phone since snap-chat doesn't work anymore... I just sort of laughed and said no way! But just thought it was an interesting perspective.
So who are these people returning their nexus 5 because of the camera? Are they in the n5 v g2 thread?
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I'm going to stop reading the general forum, all i see is people whining about this or that.
If you're not satisfied just return your device and get anything else.
To get back on topic, most of us don't give a flying F* about iOS around here
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All you are saying in the op is that Apple release sh1t software that needs fixing more than Google
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The nexus series is geared towards development end of story
I use snap chat every day many times a day and I do not have this green problem you speak of
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Shoopz said:
I use snap chat every day many times a day and I do not have this green problem you speak of
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I actually get that issue quite often. Occasionally its just a black screen and gives a camera error. Doesn't fix itself until the phones restarted. Stock / Rooted.
There are FAR more iOS 7 users than there are Android 4.4 users. When 400 million iOS 7 users have an issue—92% of all iOS users out there—a lot of people are affected. When 1 million Android 4.4 users have an issue—1% of all Android users out there—this is a very tiny portion of the Android ecosystem and Google does not feel they need to resolve issues timely. You can blame Google and the entire Android ecosystem for this.
rayiskon said:
I'm going to stop reading the general forum, all i see is people whining about this or that.
If you're not satisfied just return your device and get anything else.
To get back on topic, most of us don't give a flying F* about iOS around here
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Not whining and I didn't say that i'm unhappy with the device or want to return it if that was directed towards me, just saying Google needs to fix a few things.
Advertising the Camera -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ0XTJqFLIE
Camera Problems -
http://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus5/comments/1rcc1f/issue_with_camera_crashing_on_nexus_5_running/
Camera Problems Confirmed -
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=61873#c79
And like I said the issue has been confirmed most of us are just waiting on them to rollout the update.
Shoopz said:
I use snap chat every day many times a day and I do not have this green problem you speak of
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What rom do you have flashed?
They need to get an update for the n5 quick, to fix the 'bog roll' quality speaker which somehow manages to vibrate the phone more than the actual vibrator does.
There is a 4.4.1 update rolling out shortly. No link, but easily googled.
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It should probably be mentioned that Google have decoupled several apps from the core OS that in iOS would require an OS "update".
For example, Chrome is now a separate update whereas Safari in iOS is not. If security updates to the browser are required, Google just updates Chrome in the Play store, whereas Apple would release an OS "update" which may in reality only affect the browser.
I'm not saying that is always going to be the case, but it may explain some of the timing "differences".
EDIT: Here's a good example, from the iOS 7.0.4 update:
Bug fixes and improvements, including a fix for an issue that causes FaceTime calls to fail for some users.
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The Android equivalent of a Facetime fix would likely just be a new version of Hangouts on Play.
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I'm not sure if I can blame this on the race-to-market state that the industry is in but there are a lot of
poorly performing phones being released. Manufacturers rush to release new products without doing
the necessary development tests. Product testing has been moved form the lab to the customer base.
Take the case of the Nexus 4.
I read an article where an HTC Droid DNA user was complaining how HTC is slow to release the latest
Android OS and he decided it was time to make the switch to Nexus because he can't wait for updates.
But do Nexus users really get the best experience?
Nexus devices often use inferior hardware to cut the cost and I have no complaints here - I love the fact
that the Nexus4 costs almost half as much as the Droid DNA. But what about software?
I will give it to Google and LG for releasing a phone where at least everything works, some companies
don't go that far. But the Nexus4 currently works below it's potential. The firmware is buggy and not
optimized for best performance.
- The camera uses the same sensor as the LG Optimus 2X but produces much noisier pictures.
- The autofocus doesn't work that great.
- The screen colors are dialed in to a yellowish hue
- The microphone gain is way too high a distorts easy
There are a lot more annoyances but note that I only listed items that can easily be adjusted. With the
proper equipment it should take just a few hours to calibrate the phone so it works to it's highest
potential. Which makes me wonder whether calibration was done poorly or not at all.
Some argue that Google releases source code and unlocks their devices for independent developers to
adjust to their liking. But developers don't have the type of testing equipment that the manufacturer has
and even with the source code available it could be impossible to figure out how to control hardware modules
without the corresponding documentation. Developers tend to work in the dark most of the time.
Not sure what point I'm driving to here, I'm just frustrated. I'm realizing that I want a device where everything
works great at release time so I don't have to wait for kernel fixes. I wonder when (or if) LG and Google will
address these and how that reflects on the entire phone industry.
4.2 was obviously rushed, as was illustrated by the lack of December in the calendar. That can be fixed in time.
As regards hardware, I totally get where you're coming from. In order to make a decent profit on the handhelds, it's pretty clear that LG cut some corners in everything from components (some) to quality control. Is there a blasted thing that can be done about it from our end? No. But, we have a pretty freakin' awesome phone for $300-$350 with the latest Android. It's a tradeoff. Take it or leave it.
-Mindroid- said:
I'm not sure if I can blame this on the race-to-market state that the industry is in but there are a lot of
poorly performing phones being released. Manufacturers rush to release new products without doing
the necessary development tests. Product testing has been moved form the lab to the customer base.
Take the case of the Nexus 4.
I read an article where an HTC Droid DNA user was complaining how HTC is slow to release the latest
Android OS and he decided it was time to make the switch to Nexus because he can't wait for updates.
But do Nexus users really get the best experience?
Nexus devices often use inferior hardware to cut the cost and I have no complaints here - I love the fact
that the Nexus4 costs almost half as much as the Droid DNA. But what about software?
I will give it to Google and LG for releasing a phone where at least everything works, some companies
don't go that far. But the Nexus4 currently works below it's potential. The firmware is buggy and not
optimized for best performance.
- The camera uses the same sensor as the LG Optimus 2X but produces much noisier pictures.
- The autofocus doesn't work that great.
- The screen colors are dialed in to a yellowish hue
- The microphone gain is way too high a distorts easy
There are a lot more annoyances but note that I only listed items that can easily be adjusted. With the
proper equipment it should take just a few hours to calibrate the phone so it works to it's highest
potential. Which makes me wonder whether calibration was done poorly or not at all.
Some argue that Google releases source code and unlocks their devices for independent developers to
adjust to their liking. But developers don't have the type of testing equipment that the manufacturer has
and even with the source code available it could be impossible to figure out how to control hardware modules
without the corresponding documentation. Developers tend to work in the dark most of the time.
Not sure what point I'm driving to here, I'm just frustrated. I'm realizing that I want a device where everything
works great at release time so I don't have to wait for kernel fixes. I wonder when (or if) LG and Google will
address these and how that reflects on the entire phone industry.
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Anddddddd, another whiner..... N4 is a great phone that came out just 2 months ago!!!! It will only get better!!! If you don`t like yours just sell it and head over to the FRUIT store
I don't understand .... You saying that phones like Samsung or apple are bugles?
1. ICS update for gs2. OMG battery drain was stupendous , even though Samsung released update after a month or son it took even longer on carrier based devices
2. IPhone there was an issue with WiFi or so
Fixed within few weeks
3. Nexus 4 - December bug fixed before December (I cant imagine update coming through on devices modified by network operators
It might seem that OEM devices are flawless bout you couldn't be more wrong . they have bugs but not ones that you see at first glance and trust me they take much longer to fix as less people notice them
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MattSkeet said:
I don't understand .... You saying that phones like Samsung or apple are bugles?
1. ICS update for gs2. OMG battery drain was stupendous , even though Samsung released update after a month or son it took even longer on carrier based devices
2. IPhone there was an issue with WiFi or so
Fixed within few weeks
3. Nexus 4 - December bug fixed before December (I cant imagine update coming through on devices modified by network operators
It might seem that OEM devices are flawless bout you couldn't be more wrong . they have bugs but not ones that you see at first glance and trust me they take much longer to fix as less people notice them
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This is a great point, and one of the main reasons to have a Nexus device.
Nothings perfect bro look at apple maps
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Problems like battery drain and Maps take a long time to debug and fix. It's still
unacceptable but understandable.
Offset colors on a screen should take minutes to adjust with the proper equipment.
Seriously! It should be done right the first time. I'm reading on here that small problems
with the Galaxy Nexus were never fixed.
BigDig said:
Anddddddd, another whiner..... N4 is a great phone that came out just 2 months ago!!!! It will only get better!!! If you don`t like yours just sell it and head over to the FRUIT store
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So because he has legitimate complaints about a device he purchased, he must not voice them and go buy an iPhone? Do you realize how dumb that sounds? Just wanted to point that out.
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-Mindroid- said:
I'm not sure if I can blame this on the race-to-market state that the industry is in but there are a lot of
poorly performing phones being released. Manufacturers rush to release new products without doing
the necessary development tests. Product testing has been moved form the lab to the customer base.
Take the case of the Nexus 4.
I read an article where an HTC Droid DNA user was complaining how HTC is slow to release the latest
Android OS and he decided it was time to make the switch to Nexus because he can't wait for updates.
But do Nexus users really get the best experience?
Nexus devices often use inferior hardware to cut the cost and I have no complaints here - I love the fact
that the Nexus4 costs almost half as much as the Droid DNA. But what about software?
I will give it to Google and LG for releasing a phone where at least everything works, some companies
don't go that far. But the Nexus4 currently works below it's potential. The firmware is buggy and not
optimized for best performance.
- The camera uses the same sensor as the LG Optimus 2X but produces much noisier pictures.
- The autofocus doesn't work that great.
- The screen colors are dialed in to a yellowish hue
- The microphone gain is way too high a distorts easy
There are a lot more annoyances but note that I only listed items that can easily be adjusted. With the
proper equipment it should take just a few hours to calibrate the phone so it works to it's highest
potential. Which makes me wonder whether calibration was done poorly or not at all.
Some argue that Google releases source code and unlocks their devices for independent developers to
adjust to their liking. But developers don't have the type of testing equipment that the manufacturer has
and even with the source code available it could be impossible to figure out how to control hardware modules
without the corresponding documentation. Developers tend to work in the dark most of the time.
Not sure what point I'm driving to here, I'm just frustrated. I'm realizing that I want a device where everything
works great at release time so I don't have to wait for kernel fixes. I wonder when (or if) LG and Google will
address these and how that reflects on the entire phone industry.
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.....
frustrated with what?
I turn my phone on it comes on. I dial a number it calls it. I go to a web page it loads it. I stream music is streams it.
Your issue is you seem to think your little bubble of the world applies to everyone. My Phone does not have a yellowish tint. I don't use the microphone. So I don't care about distortion with it. The camera looks fine to me. But then again I aint a photo junkie. Altho if I was I'd use my Nikkon camera, not my phone....
You see, I get a nexus, and android, so that I can tinker. I can create. I can remove, I can improve. I can have the newest and latest.
You seem to get one because? I don't know what you got on for. Cause these things seem lost on you....
Do as others say, Sell it, make an extra hundy, and go get something else.....
OK you're not happy but these threads go nowhere and you can see that already so will stop it now.
Thread closed.
Is it my imagination, or has the Nexus 7 gone the way of most Android devices? The development cycle is so tight that anything over a few months old gets cut loose and never sees another update. This seems like a rampant issue. My Galaxy Tab 10.1 will probably never see another update either, and definitely will never see JB. Tablets seem worse than phones too. Someone correct me if I'm way off base here. I completely understand how this has happened, but I don't have to like it. And I wonder how consumers can influence this situation. What is worse, the Nexus 7 has not been superseded by another product yet, and still the updates seem to have completely stopped. I must say that Apple is somewhat better about supporting it's hardware longer too.
What updates are you expecting? There have been no newer versions of Android yet. Not really sure what updates there could be when nothing as been added to Android...
I mean come on, this is a damn Nexus device....it will get the next update...
Pirateghost said:
What updates are you expecting? There have been no newer versions of Android yet. Not really sure what updates there could be when nothing as been added to Android...
I mean come on, this is a damn Nexus device....it will get the next update...
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Not sure I believe we will ever see another OTA update on N7. And I would be disappointed to think that no bug fixes have been found since the last OTA. Then again I doubt anyone will ever push another update to a N7. It's now like my Galaxy Tab 10.1, it "works" so why fix it. By the time a new version worth pushing arrives, the N7 will be incapable of running it. Just my opinion based on past history.
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Not sure I believe we will ever see another OTA update on N7. And I would be disappointed to think that no bug fixes have been found since the last OTA. Then again I doubt anyone will ever push another update to a N7. It's now like my Galaxy Tab 10.1, it "works" so why fix it. By the time a new version worth pushing arrives, the N7 will be incapable of running it. Just my opinion based on past history.
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Past history with non-nexus devices!! LOL
What are you going on about? Nexus devices get updates faster than any other devices....and longer support than other devices.
What color are the clouds in your world?
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mntbighker said:
Not sure I believe we will ever see another OTA update on N7. And I would be disappointed to think that no bug fixes have been found since the last OTA. Then again I doubt anyone will ever push another update to a N7. It's now like my Galaxy Tab 10.1, it "works" so why fix it. By the time a new version worth pushing arrives, the N7 will be incapable of running it. Just my opinion based on past history.
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The Nexus 7 is marketed and monitored directly by Google. As soon as Google releases another version of Android publicly (i.e., a stable release with less bugs), then you will be guaranteed to get it before any other device. This is one of the major benefits to owning a Nexus device.
In addition, just because bugs are identified and there may be a rumored fix with it, many good devs will continue to monitor their fix, test it, and see how it does; ensuring that the fix does not create a more bugs (in quantity and severity) than there were in a previous build.
Patience is a virtue. There's a reason why this saying is an aphorism.
Pirateghost said:
What updates are you expecting? There have been no newer versions of Android yet. Not really sure what updates there could be when nothing as been added to Android...
I mean come on, this is a damn Nexus device....it will get the next update...
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kj2112 said:
What color are the clouds in your world?
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Apparently pretty dark :crying:
mntbighker said:
Apparently pretty dark :crying:
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Just....wow! Lol
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TheAltruistic said:
The Nexus 7 is marketed and monitored directly by Google. As soon as Google releases another version of Android publicly (i.e., a stable release with less bugs), then you will be guaranteed to get it before any other device. This is one of the major benefits to owning a Nexus device.
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I think the Nexus "8" will be out by then and the 7 will be deemed too anemic to run the newer software. As I said, it was just an observation of a phenomenon with the hardware development cycle we have with Android. And yes, the situation is way worse with non-Nexus devices. My Sprint HTC One is pretty buggy and the phones generally seem to all have bugs that may eventually get fixed. But more often than not they just move on to the next big thing and you just have to live with the bugs until you replace the phone and get a whole new list of bugs. You can ROM the phone and sacrifice features along with different bugs of course. Consumer demand has shaped things such that there are never resources to really get existing devices locked down and bug free. There is no incentive for developers to work on existing devices, but always to develop for the next thing going out the door. Apparently there is a known bug in my HTC One that has to do with an incorrectly located file directory causing horrible battery issues. Weeks or months go by with no OTA to fix it.
Google wants every OEM to support devices for at least 18 months, so you can bet that nexus devices will get at least that and probably longer. I'm about 99% sure that the Nexus 7 will get key lime pie at least.
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awesome....so you base all your knowledge of android on touchwiz and sense tainted devices....cool....but it doesnt work that way in nexus land.
I definitely think you should sell your n7 and get one of those awesome no name tabs everyone loves!! I'm sure they will be updated frequently and quickly!! I think some already have key lime pie!!
Just my advice.
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:facepalm: :banghead:
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On top of there being nothing new in the world of android for the N7 to be updated to, I'm also curious on what "bugs" the op thinks need fixed?
I'm running latest rasbean on my phone and stock 4.2.2 on the 7 and have literally no bugs on either. Completely functional and stable (neither device has even been rebooted in almost 3 weeks).
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There are bugs, fixes and new features in almost every release: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history
Look at the release dates to determine if releases are frequent enough.
Sometimes preventing an OTA update to a Nexus 7 device can be the challenge. Lol!
(still running 4.1.2 on my N7)
I got a Windows Phone 7 and Windows 8 RT Surface so I can experience obsolescence instead of updates. LOL
My two Nexus 7, one Grouper and one Tilapia, will be merrily updated to every new version of Android. I can't wait for more *fragmentation* with the next Android release.
Sorry gotta go run with the low information crowd, there is a protest nearby. ...
Thread is silly. Sorry OP.
Nexus One - Released with 2.1, EOL with 2.3.6 (2010 - 2011)
Nexus S - Released with 2.3, EOL with 4.1 (2010 - 2012)
Galaxy Nexus - Released with 4.0, still supported
Nexus 4 - Released with 4.2, still supported
Nexus 7 - Released with 4.1, still supported
Nexus 10 - Released with 4.2, still supported
Every device has made it through a year's worth at the very least, and that's starting with the Nexus One. At the time when the Nexus One was released, phone hardware was changing almost faster than it is now, and it still got quite a run of updates.
Please do some research before whining. The Nexus 7 hasn't seen an update as of now because there's no update to see.
Pirateghost said:
awesome....so you base all your knowledge of android on touchwiz and sense tainted devices....cool....but it doesnt work that way in nexus land.
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I had a Galaxy Nexus as well. Actually, the phone I had with the least bugs by the time I traded "up" was probably the Droid X. The Droid X2 was god awful by comparison.
Do you count the Google HTC One and Google Galaxy S4 as "Nexus Land"?
mntbighker said:
I had a Galaxy Nexus as well. Actually, the phone I had with the least bugs by the time I traded "up" was probably the Droid X. The Droid X2 was god awful by comparison.
Do you count the Google HTC One and Google Galaxy S4 as "Nexus Land"?
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Bad idea if current information is anything to go by. Google doesn't really seem to be doing altogether much more to support these two devices than it does for most-- it'll send the builds of Android as appropriate to the OEMs but it'll be up to them to actually tune everything.
mntbighker said:
I had a Galaxy Nexus as well. Actually, the phone I had with the least bugs by the time I traded "up" was probably the Droid X. The Droid X2 was god awful by comparison.
Do you count the Google HTC One and Google Galaxy S4 as "Nexus Land"?
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Your problem there is. Verizon.
No. The Google edition phones are not nexus devices.. At all.
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Pirateghost said:
Your problem there is. Verizon.
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Well, now I have done a complete 180. I have a Sprint HTC One from Ting.com. My bill is a fourth what it was with Verizon or AT&T and I rely mostly on WiFi/VOIP service. Too bad the HTC One is so terrible at holding onto a WiFi signal. I may have to switch back to a Samsung device if Sprint can't resolve this. Ting does support the Galaxy Nexus, among other Samsung phones.
Around here Verizon does have the best coverage BY FAR though.
I completely understand why Google did this but one thing I liked about the N5 was how it had features other phones didn't. One big one just went bye-bye. http://gigaom.com/2014/08/01/the-go...ailable-for-almost-all-modern-android-phones/
GNL has been available for other devices for a while now.
The apk has been floating around the web since the N5 was released or shortly there after.
I still think the nexus line of devices are still very unique in that they get the fastest updates and developer support is second to none!
If there is a particular developer's work you like to follow, make sure to support him/her to show them your appreciation! :thumbup:
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Agreed with giant22000. N5 is best
peach007 said:
Agreed with giant22000. N5 is best
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Don't get me wrong, I love the N5 and have been nothing but pleased with it since I got mine. I liked the fact that I had a launcher that others did not and could not have without going out of the way to get it. Now it is much easier to install for users and I would expect it to pop up more in the wild than previously seen.
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Don't get me wrong, I love the N5 and have been nothing but pleased with it since I got mine. I liked the fact that I had a launcher that others did not and could not have without going out of the way to get it. Now it is much easier to install for users and I would expect it to pop up more in the wild than previously seen.
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I felt like that with the new google camera. I thought they were just going to update it for the N5 but they ended up releasing it for a lot of phones. However, maybe that will speed up new updates for it since it's not just for one phone.
PsychDrummer said:
I felt like that with the new google camera. I thought they were just going to update it for the N5 but they ended up releasing it for a lot of phones. However, maybe that will speed up new updates for it since it's not just for one phone.
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Only the Nexus 5 can use "HDR+" (HDR isn't anywhere near the same as "HDR+"), which is closed source (and also limited to Google Camera).
This has been available for a while now. I was running it on my Galaxy Nexus back in the day and, when it hit Google Play, many GPE devices were able to install it too. Now it’s even available on a lowly iPhone (some more detail at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Now).
I'll file this thread under "slow news day."
Honestly I hardly ever used the GNL
Lethargy said:
Only the Nexus 5 can use "HDR+" (HDR isn't anywhere near the same as "HDR+"), which is closed source (and also limited to Google Camera).
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Yeah good point. I mean I'm over it now lol. I remember being a bit upset about the lens blur. Even though a lot of cameras have that feature already.
The launcher is by far the furthest thing from making the Nexus 5 what it is.
TheLastSidekick said:
The launcher is by far the furthest thing from making the Nexus 5 what it is.
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This. I actually don't like it at all. Nova all the way.
I hated the exclusive feature of GEL or GNL whatever it's called. Let it be open to all(without side loading)
Why are you upset that others have the option of the launcher ... Sorry but that seems childish
O.T. Less unique is also impossible. Something is either unique or not. There is no halfway.
You bought a phone with unlimited customization capabilities and you whine that the stock launcher for it, the phone that is the DEVELOPMENT device, for the entire Android ecosystem, has been made available to other Android devices?
First World Privilege Problems?
Kids these days...
The nexus series is always unique as it always gets the latest & the greatest android. Google had no plan of making the launcher a nexus 5 only thing. Even in the worst case, I'm sure Google would have at least supported the launcher on the older nexus phones officially. All of it was a part of Google's plan. First they saw how people received the launcher on the nexus 5. Following all the hype, they eventually made it available to all the devices out there.
Remember, Google's primary aim is to make all of its services available to all of its users. That's why they built android. They used android to reach their users & to make their services available to them easily & efficiently.
This really only applies to most of us that mod or like to customize our phones. IMO those people probably already use GOOGLE NOW Launcher anyways on whatever custom ROM they are running. I really dont see how this makes the phone less unique. Apps are not unique, the actual phone is what makes it unique than other phones on the market.
my 2 cents
Thank you Samsung for letting down the 910U. There are absolutely no excuses to take so much time to update all variants. Too many variants and inability to maintain them... Never expected releases to come as fast as on my Nexus 5, but that bad is really a shame (Other manufacturers have already updated their flagships)
With all these different models of the same phone, Samsung has managed to create an extra fragmentation level of the already fragmented Android. Amazing.
And I don't want to hear that is maybe because we'll get a newer version than 5.0.1 or an improved Touchwiz (Like was speculated as an explanation for the very slow initial rollout of Lollipop). Most likely well get finally 5.0.1 when everybody will be on 5.1
I came back to Samsung after a few years (My last one was a Tab 7.7). Definitely amazing hardware each band every time. The software side (incl speed of new releases) is still a shame.
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Have to agree on the hardware front. Amazing, sleek and sexy. For the OS part though it's definitely a let down. I wish they would just apk all of their bloat and just let us use it on any non tw OS. No hidden or private api baked into a slow ui. My sister is running a S4 and laughing because she has LP and I can't even get it. Hell it's not even announced for my version.
i speak for 910G users and its a pathetic logic for 910G as well..... 910F got the update so why dint the 910G......it will be good if samsung can get their **** together and concentrate on a single processor and give its users what they pay for
I wonder if they limit variations because there's not any more letter in alphabet or what?
Er. Aditya said:
i speak for 910G users and its a pathetic logic for 910G as well..... 910F got the update so why dint the 910G......it will be good if samsung can get their **** together and concentrate on a single processor and give its users what they pay for
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pretty crap when the F and G use the same hardware but different bootloader and modems - would have taken very little time to get a global release for the two models at the same time.
Calm Down untill the Final Release
SM-N910C user here, I feel your pain But you guys should not forget that the Lollipop releases for Note 4 are not final , are more like test builds thats why it is not availble outside of the world except Poland. In essence , more than 90% of Note 4 users didn't receive Lollipop. I have installed Lollipop and I am pretty confident that it needs some tuning and fixing before the worlwide roll out so hopefuly every use gets straight the Final build in some weeks time and not a test build like some lucky N910C-F users!
The Real let down would be in the case where the Final Worlwide release is ready for some variants and not for everyone or the others who didn't receive the final update and receive a test build like now Here there is no space for excuses
Thank you for alcibiade for another whiner thread. For God sake get a life, the note's 4 lollipop update isn't that earth shocking. In general KitKat works as good (or some respect even better) as Lollipop.
rj3005 said:
Thank you for alcibiade for another whiner thread. For God sake get a life, the note's 4 lollipop update isn't that earth shocking. In general KitKat works as good (or some respect even better) as Lollipop.
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Thank you too rj3005. Now you (unwittingly) bring a bit more to this thread. I wasn't even complaining yet, but indeed, contrary to the Nexus Series (I own a 5 and a 7) the Samsung version of Lollipop is indeed not so much of a change compared with KitKat. Less material design, still lags here and there (I honestly don't know since I unfortunately still do not have an update for my 910U............). Samsung has amazing hardware (And that s why I picked the Note 4) but Software wise.... Honestly....
Anyway let s hope the S6 brings finally a decent Touchwiz we may all benefit from..
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Alcibiade said:
Thank you too rj3005. Now you (unwittingly) bring a bit more to this thread. I wasn't even complaining yet, but indeed, contrary to the Nexus Series (I own a 5 and a 7) the Samsung version of Lollipop is indeed not so much of a change compared with KitKat. Less material design, still lags here and there (I honestly don't know since I unfortunately still do not have an update for my 910U............). Samsung has amazing hardware (And that s why I picked the Note 4) but Software wise.... Honestly....
Anyway let s hope the S6 brings finally a decent Touchwiz we may all benefit from..
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We can only hope to receive the so called "revamped" touchwiz from the S6 on the note 4
rj3005 said:
Thank you for alcibiade for another whiner thread. For God sake get a life, the note's 4 lollipop update isn't that earth shocking. In general KitKat works as good (or some respect even better) as Lollipop.
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Its not about getting life or what, but put urself on our shoes. What would u feel if everyone's got the lollipop amd u were left alone not having it? Good or bad is another matter. Being up to date is what xda is all about. At least that is why i joined xda.
I am totally with you, i know samsung for long time, and i know that they will not release the 5.1 for the 910u version because we didn't get the 5.0.1. in fact, we will get the 5.0.1 when the C gets close to the 5.1 . i am not mad or saying this because i hate samsung, i replied to tell you again Don't give your hopes on samsung to give you something that you want. I can tell from now that we can get the 5.0.1 version in 15 days from now, but without any change of the C version and maybe more buggy than it .
Ashatar said:
We can only hope to receive the so called "revamped" touchwiz from the S6 on the note 4
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I do hope indeed...
Again the hardware on Note 4 is amazing (That's why I bought it over the Nexus 6). Hopefully Samsung will get its act together and deliver decent software (from an AOSP perspective) KINF OF on time....
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I agree i purchased the 910U over the 910G in australia and now i wished i got the C. Im sure when lollipop comes finally for the U porting C roms will become the norm and we'll keep up to date. God knows as well as us that samsung wont keep up..
I live in HK where U is the default model.
Weeks are passing... Still no sign. This is really not serious for a phone that's less than 6 months old.
Yep its a big fkn joke.
You should try being in Canada with a W8 model
The W8 model of of the note series is always the last to be updated let's just hope we get a fixed version.
Phone runs fine without Lollipop. If you read about how many are switching back from Lollipop, not in any hurry to get it myself.
Yes I switched back. You're missing nothing yet people. To me it really felt like a beta, battery drain, needs refining. I can deffo see the potential, its noticeably snappier when it's working right
And why oh why do people keep contributing to what they call whiney threads?! And whining themselves about them! Nothing wrong with whining every now and again, should people on forums all be constantly happy? Is it written in the rules?
Please of please skip the thread of it upsets you so much! Ffs!
I too am upset and want to wine, getting really impatient
I have the 910U From new Zealand on Spark network...
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Yes I switched back. You're missing nothing yet people. To me it really felt like a beta, battery drain, needs refining. I can deffo see the potential, its noticeably snappier when it's working right
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To be fair the issues encountered with the first versions of Lollipop should be put to the credit of Google. On that they screwed up massively and even the Nexus line suffers from it (I also have a Nexus 5 and a Nexus 7). It's hard to blame the phone makers on this.
Nevertheless time passes by, most of flagships have been updated to Lollipop and... quite a number of Note 4 haven't. Samsung weakness on the software side is blatant (while they indeed design excellent hardware, the Note 4 and the S 6 are very good example of this)
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I dont know whats wrong with oneplus with the monthly updates and security patches, but that was the most importat thing that i wanted on my new phone and i switched from samsung note 9. Generally im happy with the performance but without the updates i noticed that the battery life and a little lag comes after a while.
peace
Their is no monthly updates only Bi-Monthly (2 Months) but they're lacking a bit..
admirberisha99 said:
I dont know whats wrong with oneplus with the monthly updates and security patches, but that was the most importat thing that i wanted on my new phone and i switched from samsung note 9. Generally im happy with the performance but without the updates i noticed that the battery life and a little lag comes after a while.
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Beta gets them monthly... Dunno what you're talking about but they're one of the few that provides monthly security updates.
M3drvr said:
Beta gets them monthly... Dunno what you're talking about but they're one of the few that provides monthly security updates.
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On the 6t im still on the January security patch.
1+ suckered you and me into purchasing this phone..
Its a good phone let down by software implementations for worldwide audfences not just India!
Hardware wise the only issues are the camera software(The grainy blurry images when zoomed in are unfortunate)
Why no true AOD.
1+ fanboys feel free to take a step back, digest, then provide a non fanboy response........
touche at the ready.........
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admirberisha99 said:
On the 6t im still on the January security patch.
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Not sure why
Because your on the beta... Obviously...
They have the option with the beta but the beta can introduce bugs down the road.
misfitpierce said:
Because your on the beta... Obviously...
They have the option with the beta but the beta can introduce bugs down the road.
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Nope im in the latest stable OS. https://www.oneplus.com/de/support/softwareupgrade/details?code=9 this one
misfitpierce said:
Because your on the beta... Obviously...
They have the option with the beta but the beta can introduce bugs down the road.
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And like I initially said, if you read, on beta...
I'm not entirely sure why people are bent out of shape over not getting monthly updates. I guess I'm missing something. For me the updates come when they come, and in the meantime I just use the device and never think about what security patch it's on.
But that's me.
Its says open beta 7 on your first screen ! (Please give a cookie to this guy)
Latest stable(9.0.12) is on janury security patch, stop drug man you are already on the latest beta, that's why you have more telemetry, more battery drain, less stability but you are on latest security patch... (omegalul)
PS : Stop to play with your phone If you do not know what you're doing with.
Omagad, poor xda...
LyDr0x said:
Its says open beta 7 on your first screen ! (Please give a cookie to this guy)
Latest stable(9.0.12) is on janury security patch, stop drug man you are already on the latest beta, that's why you have more telemetry, more battery drain, less stability but you are on latest security patch... (omegalul)
PS : Stop to play with your phone If you do not know what you're doing with.
Omagad, poor xda...
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Well original poster never said he was on stable. So that's why I said, if you want latest and are concerned, beta gives it. If you don't want to do that, stop complaining Imo. OnePlus still does better than majority of companies
M3drvr said:
Well original poster never said he was on stable. So that's why I said, if you want latest and are concerned, beta gives it. If you don't want to do that, stop complaining Imo. OnePlus still does better than majority of companies
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Im talking about you (and your screenshot when you say not sure why) and not the original poster.
Beta gives it definitly with more telemetry, more battery drain and less stability, it's paradoxal for a homogeneous ROMs focused on security.
Actually, I bought all the smartphones of the brand and Oneplus are funny about the speed of deployment of security patches.
Essential, Nokia and Google are 15x faster to deploy an update on their terminals, it's not just a fanboy response, we're in the factual there.
So yes clearly Oneplus is at the top of the table and I never say otherwise however it is just correct for the deployment of updates, i'm sorry for Oneplus but how many smartphones to manage ?
Essential, Nokia and Google are more responsive, end of the story.
Did everyone forget that the entire staff took a few weeks off for religious holiday. The pipeline of updates doesn't just start dripping out the other end instantly.
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Im talking about you (and your screenshot when you say not sure why) and not the original poster.
Beta gives it definitly with more telemetry, more battery drain and less stability, it's paradoxal for a homogeneous ROMs focused on security.
Actually, I bought all the smartphones of the brand and Oneplus are funny about the speed of deployment of security patches.
Essential, Nokia and Google are 15x faster to deploy an update on their terminals, it's not just a fanboy response, we're in the factual there.
So yes clearly Oneplus is at the top of the table and I never say otherwise however it is just correct for the deployment of updates, i'm sorry for Oneplus but how many smartphones to manage ?
Essential, Nokia and Google are more responsive, end of the story.
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Never noticed any difference in stability or anything going stable to beta. Maybe you do, but I do not and have only had better results running beta VS stable. I have no extra telemetry VS stable so cut the crap with That please and thank it.
OnePlus providing updates for a lot longer these days than even Google is supplying for there phones. OnePlus 3,still getting pie and its 3 years old coming up. That's far longer than Google gives updates. Essential has one phone to take care so come on,don't go there,that's not fair to compare to, unless you know of more than one phone that essential builds that no one else seems to have purchased.... Google to OnePlus is similar in asking of devices to support especially considering size of Google as a whole.
I think it's very easy to criticize OnePlus when they're supporting MULTIPLE devices as much as they are. Look at companies like Samsung, LG, Google, Motorola, and others. Their update cycles are slower, less frequent, and don't last as long in the long-term. Yes, OnePlus has always been known as an enthusiast brand and was for us who like to tinker with their phones. But they're a company who need to make a profit, and they've really had to restructure as they grow to keep up with demand. They also release phones every 6 months, and I'm sure they've had to spend enormous resources to design the 7, while still supporting devices like the 3. No company is perfect, but they're far superior, in my eyes, at maintaining devices that can compete with other manufacturers, while also having to follow guidelines of other companies like T-Mobile and Google who require them to follow their rules in order to stay in business. As someone who works in Telecom, I see more issues from other companies than OnePlus. While it's important to voice our concerns on forums and towards the company, I think they deserve some credit for not venturing too far from their roots, despite their evolution as a company.
I agree that no company is perfect. But, monthly updates, at least for security patches are very important nowadays, especially since the exploits that are patched on the security fixes become known and thus leave people vulnerable.
For those complaining, you guys DO realize that we're on the better side of things when it comes to updates, right... ? Lmao
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The really sad part is if OnePlus did give monthly updates (or any manufacturer), these same people would be complaining that there are no new features, or nothing was updated just the security. Me, me, me, give, give, give, want, want, want. There was a time when XDA was fun, you learned things and there was always new development and it has changed over the years for various reasons. I have backed off because of all the *****ing and complaining. It's just a phone guys, nothing else, it's a hobby for me and nothing else. Can we stop with all the complaining?
I read through this thread and nearly couldnt help but laugh, People complaining because OP doesnt give them a snappy security patch, which is all in crazy anyhow.. I mean.. you act like some hacker is going to hack into your device and take your stuff within the next 5 mins or so...... I used to be a ONEPLUS hater, Then After LG and Company screwed me over, then my Carrier started selling the OP, I decided why not, lets give
it a try, and I must say I been very satisfied with it so far, everyone complaining, I wonder what you did on your old devices that didnt get patches but maybe a few times a year..
I dont get it. I personally think OP has gone above and beyond what nearly any other OEM would do. and your still not happy....... I hear more complaints about the OP then I do any other OEM,
and OP gives you a hell of alot more then any other OEM would do. you get a Flagship device for half of the price any other OEM flagship device would cost, and you still complain, not to mention you complain because
hardware isnt 100% perfect, The reason they can give you the device for half the cost of all other OEM flagship devices, because they learned to retard on some things, If you want a perfect 100% everything, and all hardware top shape, then get another device with all that and pay $1,200.00 + for it...........
Sorry just adding my 2 cents..........
This is the main reason I kinda stopped using XDA too.... Half the time it feels like Romper Room in here.