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This may sound like a noob question, so forgive me if it is. I'm currently on Verizon with a dev edition, and the possibility of an OTA in the near future seems pretty bleak. So I was wondering, would it be possible to take the camera update from another carrier and turn it into a flashable zip for us users here on Verizon?
From what I read and understand, it't not just a matter of the APK, so no unfortunately i dont think so. I am in the same boat you are, VZW DE Moto X.
I'm sure someone is trying... so I'm keeping my fingers crossed. But some of the changes are probably at the kernel level (I'm guessing), making it difficult I'm sure.
If anyone has something they want to test, send it my way, I'll gladly test it out on my dev edition
Just out of curiosity, why hasn't there been any custom roms or development ?
I really hope someone is working on root for non pure edition.
Development was pretty light with the 2013 version too. The combination of limited market (dev edition only) and the near stock experience, and the loss of what makes the Moto X special, means not very many people are seeking an alternative.
What about kernels? Surely we could benefit from custom kernels and keep all our moto x a pure android experience, correct? Like possible for color cal and battery life? :silly:
Custom roms ya custom kernel can come only after motolola releases its kernel sources
My impression was since its " pure edition" it would be developer friendly .
dia_naji said:
My impression was since its " pure edition" it would be developer friendly .
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It is developer friendly. There just isn't a lot of development for the reasons listed above.
Restola said:
Development was pretty light with the 2013 version too. The combination of limited market (dev edition only) and the near stock experience, and the loss of what makes the Moto X special, means not very many people are seeking an alternative.
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This, I have a Droid Maxx and the wife has a Moto X. We enjoy the anti Samsung, pure Google experience enhanced with touchless and active display. No reasons to try any AOSP Roms. Development is so light for the Droid Ultra/ Maxx that CM dropped support for it, but that is due to how good the stock ROM is. I ran Paranoid on my RAZR Maxx HD but still moved back to stock because it is smoother and has better cell reception. All the cool little functions are just that, cool. Paranoid's implementation of their dynamic status and notification bars are the best I've seen, much better than the xposed modules. But at the end of the day, it is about functionality and useability. Stock Motorola Roms are very good, just need to debloat all the Verizon crap in my case. As far as kernels, hopefully faux123 will do something with the new Moto X. I'm running his kernel on my Droid Maxx and Moto X and it definitely enhances the phone more than any aftermarket Roms could. The reason why I hangout in the Moto X forums is because there are not a lot of us Droid owners and the Moto X forums is where we get most of our stuff. I'm running a Moto X port on my Droid Maxx for example. This holds true for the new Droid Turbo also which I am definitely interested in. That is if there's a way to unlock the bootloader. Unlocked bootloader with 3900 mAH battery and 21 mp camera and the Moto X experience? I'm in, still have an upgrade available! But I don't foresee the bootloader or root being available for these new phones for a long while. In the mean time, I'll enjoy my unlocked Droid Maxx and Moto X and continue to lurk around here. Lol
You can use Xposed Framework, I think, with the 2nd Gen. Moto X. It will give you many of the popular features from custom roms that aren't in stock Android.
The only other reason I can see for custom roms on the Moto X (at least as far as it concerns me) is that I think they can be better for privacy and getting rid of under the hood bits of code that might be abused for marketing/tracking purposes. Also I think the CyanogenMod Account is a more secure way to track and remotely wipe your phone, than the Android Device Manager. At the end of the day, I trust Cyanogen to have my security and privacy in mind more than Google or Motorola. But I don't think this is enough that people will feel motivated to develop a lot for the Moto X (for the reasons already stated above).
I can't see development being any busier than the quiet 2013.
Too many Moto limitations... Like bootloaders not being able to be unlocked on some big carriers. And as said, no custom features on aosp/cm roms. Downgrade issues.... If it's like the 2013. Etc.
The X's are not for flashaholics .... That's for sure.
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I really hope someone is working on root for non pure edition.
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The pure edition root method by jcase works fine on other devices. I rooted my xt1093 last week, seen some Brazilian carriers' rooted (also non pure, xt1092 maybe?), and I'm 100% confident it'll work for any moto x with an unlockable bootloader.
Am I wrong in thinking that only the pure edition has an unlockable bootloader?
Where to find stock firmware? For verizon?
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Am I wrong in thinking that only the pure edition has an unlockable bootloader?
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Yes, quite wrong. Search and Google are your friend here.
Only Verizon cannot be unlocked presently AFAIK.
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Where to find stock firmware? For verizon?
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I don't think any carrier branded X has made this available yet...
Well thats why I didn't know that. I have the VZW model.
cb474 said:
You can use Xposed Framework, I think, with the 2nd Gen. Moto X. It will give you many of the popular features from custom roms that aren't in stock Android.
The only other reason I can see for custom roms on the Moto X (at least as far as it concerns me) is that I think they can be better for privacy and getting rid of under the hood bits of code that might be abused for marketing/tracking purposes. Also I think the CyanogenMod Account is a more secure way to track and remotely wipe your phone, than the Android Device Manager. At the end of the day, I trust Cyanogen to have my security and privacy in mind more than Google or Motorola. But I don't think this is enough that people will feel motivated to develop a lot for the Moto X (for the reasons already stated above).
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I have mine rooted and running Xposed with GravityBox and it works just as well as my original version Moto X did. I don't see the need for a custom rom, though I might try CM once there is a version for it.
Well as someone said, even the Moto 2013 had very very little development. But I would love to see a Custom ROM based on Moto's software itself. Cleaning out small bugs and unrequired services and maybe add couple of extra features.
I just received my Moto X (2nd gen).... I should have looked on the forums first... Without custom ROMS - I'll most likely just send it back to Moto...
I like the options the custom roms bring. I like choosing the toggles I desire in the window shade, custom themes, etc... Not being able to do those things... Meh - I have been tweaking my experience since 2007. I don't like the idea of just running a plain Jane rom.. This sucks as I really like the hardware... Almost enough that I would spend the time trying to learn to make a custom rom myself... But, I can't expend the time to learn, debug, etc... Sadly, I'm too busy with my day job...
As long as you're not on Verizon, Xposed modules should be able to give you all the customization choices you'd ever need.
I was hoping for custom Lollipop roms and Xposed won't work on Android 5.0 (and, it is uncertain if it will ever work on Lollipop).....
I am thinking about getting the Moto X 2013 Developer Edition unlocked. My concerns are :
- Is the hardware any different from the regular Moto X? I'd like to know if there are many custom ROMs for this model or do they mostly target the standard Moto X only? I have had similar issues with other non-standard phone models (G2, Nexus4, Note 2)
- Can I use this for LTE/4G in Canada? (Rogers)
- Is the Camera really that bad? Any better in Lollipop
- Speaking of which, is Lollipop released for this yet?
- Is the camera any better with Lollipop or CM12 Roms?
Any other general tips before getting this phone? Recommend it or not?
1. No. A quick search on Google would answer that. All Moto Xs are, essentially, developer editions. The one thing that makes a developer edition different from all the rest is the color scheme and the ability to unlock the bootloader through Motorola while maintaining the warranty. Unlocking the bootloader on any other variant voids the warranty.
2. Google. Or compare the 2 developer editions that are available to the Rogers Moto X.
3. Subjective. It's all a matter of your expectations and needs. It's no iPhone camera but it doesn't suck.
4. Try Google or browse around this forum.
5. About the same. What you should be considering is whether or not you're willing to deal with losing the Motorola features like Moto Display, Assist, etc.
6. Use Google and do more research of your own. You can know just as much as we do because we have access to the same information you do. Asking for a recommendation from a group of people who own the phone you're looking to buy? What do you think the answer is going to be? Do you think you'll be able to find a better phone for $200 brand new without a contract?
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1. No. A quick search on Google would answer that. All Moto Xs are, essentially, developer editions. The one thing that makes a developer edition different from all the rest is the color scheme and the ability to unlock the bootloader through Motorola while maintaining the warranty. Unlocking the bootloader on any other variant voids the warranty.
2. Google. Or compare the 2 developer editions that are available to the Rogers Moto X.
3. Subjective. It's all a matter of your expectations and needs. It's no iPhone camera but it doesn't suck.
4. Try Google or browse around this forum.
5. About the same. What you should be considering is whether or not you're willing to deal with losing the Motorola features like Moto Display, Assist, etc.
6. Use Google and do more research of your own. You can know just as much as we do because we have access to the same information you do. Asking for a recommendation from a group of people who own the phone you're looking to buy? What do you think the answer is going to be? Do you think you'll be able to find a better phone for $200 brand new without a contract?
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Wow. Do you enjoy answering questions just to show your arrogance?
I did do Google searches but no specific answers came up. A lot of the results are from XDA as well with slightly different questions.
Fix your attitude. This is a Q&A forum. Or just don't post at all. No one needs your crap.
Thanks for the answers but not worth the attitude.
I got a brand new one on Ebay a month ago for $200. It was the XT1053.
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Wow. Do you enjoy answering questions just to show your arrogance?
I did do Google searches but no specific answers came up. A lot of the results are from XDA as well with slightly different questions.
Fix your attitude. This is a Q&A forum. Or just don't post at all. No one needs your crap.
Thanks for the answers but not worth the attitude.
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How much are you gonna complain at the guy giving you free help? I apologize that his free help wasn't exactly as you expected...
The camera is bad by modern standards but will totally take pictures of what you point it at. Unless the picture has very good composition, landscape scenes are a bit of a let down... Ive noticed that macro pictures look pretty good. Not the best camera if you are trying to be a photographer.... But will totally work to show your buddies a picture of what you drew on that passed out guy at the party...
There is a super long thread called show of pictures you snapped with the moto x....
Otherwise, as he said developer edition is policy only (other then color and automatic 32gig). The only difference is that when you unlock moto will still honor your warrenty (and on vzw, ect they allow you to unlock)
Ton here.... Just read through the forums for a while. Thats what I did.
Read first then ask. All your question can be answered by Google. I guess you haven't watched the XDA's "Don't be a Noob" video.
1. GSM Arena, Phone Arena or any other site that features phone specs.
2. What bands does your carrier support? When you know that, compare it to the bands supported by Moto X DE.
3. Subjective.
4. No, the answer is all over Moto X reddit.
5. Do you want the features that Motorola offers over CM12?
6. This is a site for custom ROMs and kernels. I own one. What do you think?
Just to reiterate, only hardware difference is the 32gb while other moto Xs may be 16,32, or 64. Other difference is the white back/black front and "developer Edition" printed on the back. Camera isn't bad in my opinion but certainly not iphone level. Like everyone said, policy advantage that you can unlock the bootloader etc. Don't think there are that many roms but I'm betting you won't need them. Stock is fast and smooth, and you don't want to lose the Moto features. Any customization you need is possible through Xposed and gravity box. This phone cured me and many other flashaholics. Best phone I've ever had so far.
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I am thinking about getting the Moto X 2013 Developer Edition unlocked. My concerns are :
- Is the hardware any different from the regular Moto X? I'd like to know if there are many custom ROMs for this model or do they mostly target the standard Moto X only? I have had similar issues with other non-standard phone models (G2, Nexus4, Note 2)
- Can I use this for LTE/4G in Canada? (Rogers)
- Is the Camera really that bad? Any better in Lollipop
- Speaking of which, is Lollipop released for this yet?
- Is the camera any better with Lollipop or CM12 Roms?
Any other general tips before getting this phone? Recommend it or not?
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Hey, don't mind the big dorks around here, they can't help them selves Anyone with any sense realizes that you are unsure and trying to be clear as possible, while asking for help with humilty. If I could give you good answers I would.
I would (make sure your variant works with this because i'm not sure about your's) try Kryton, Eclipse (they are essentially stock based but debloated and tweaked in certain areas - I think - VERY good place to start especially if you want to keep the things that make a Moto X special (moto apps yada.) There's a search with in each thread that searchs only that thread for key words etc if you didn't already see it. Prolly start with main search with in Moto Development Forum and then search inside each individual thread that is interesting or might be specifically about your device/variant.
I am prolly telling you things you already know but, yeah just want to give you something besides a childish attitude you received previously.:good:
The Lollipop ROMS are not ready for prime time yet (just my opinion) Camera is fine, for a phone. Has very quick shutter speed(99%) so catching that moment instead of a blur is likely... I wouldn't plan on anything but candid/off the cuff shot's plenty good for what it is. Last thing you wanna do is compare... If it were me I'd decide what I need out of a phone, then what I want and find the phone that most closely matches it. Enjoy!:good:
Stock room is great BTW, Once you get up and running start with Xposed (free.. ****in awesome) and try out gravtybox, amplify, greenify... it all depends what you want/need.
MOTO X is a great phone
- Big Dork Myself.
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Read first then ask. All your question can be answered by Google. I guess you haven't watched the XDA's "Don't be a Noob" video.
1. GSM Arena, Phone Arena or any other site that features phone specs.
2. What bands does your carrier support? When you know that, compare it to the bands supported by Moto X DE.
3. Subjective.
4. No, the answer is all over Moto X reddit.
5. Do you want the features that Motorola offers over CM12?
6. This is a site for custom ROMs and kernels. I own one. What do you think?
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3. Saying 'subjective' doesn't help. I actually am looking for your subjective opinions. That's why I'm asking here.
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Hey, don't mind the big dorks around here, they can't help them selves Anyone with any sense realizes that you are unsure and trying to be clear as possible, while asking for help with humilty. If I could give you good answers I would.
I would (make sure your variant works with this because i'm not sure about your's) try Kryton, Eclipse (they are essentially stock based but debloated and tweaked in certain areas - I think - VERY good place to start especially if you want to keep the things that make a Moto X special (moto apps yada.) There's a search with in each thread that searchs only that thread for key words etc if you didn't already see it. Prolly start with main search with in Moto Development Forum and then search inside each individual thread that is interesting or might be specifically about your device/variant.
I am prolly telling you things you already know but, yeah just want to give you something besides a childish attitude you received previously.:good:
The Lollipop ROMS are not ready for prime time yet (just my opinion) Camera is fine, for a phone. Has very quick shutter speed(99%) so catching that moment instead of a blur is likely... I wouldn't plan on anything but candid/off the cuff shot's plenty good for what it is. Last thing you wanna do is compare... If it were me I'd decide what I need out of a phone, then what I want and find the phone that most closely matches it. Enjoy!:good:
Stock room is great BTW, Once you get up and running start with Xposed (free.. ****in awesome) and try out gravtybox, amplify, greenify... it all depends what you want/need.
MOTO X is a great phone
- Big Dork Myself.
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Finally a normal person responds. Thank you That's just the answer I was looking for. Stay cool [emoji106]
marsisabar said:
I am thinking about getting the Moto X 2013 Developer Edition unlocked. My concerns are :
Is the hardware any different from the regular Moto X? I'd like to know if there are many custom ROMs for this model or do they mostly target the standard Moto X only? I have had similar issues with other non-standard phone models (G2, Nexus4, Note 2)
Can I use this for LTE/4G in Canada? (Rogers)
Is the Camera really that bad? Any better in Lollipop
Speaking of which, is Lollipop released for this yet?
Is the camera any better with Lollipop or CM12 Roms?
Any other general tips before getting this phone? Recommend it or not?
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There are 2 Developer Editions of the 2013 X.. A GSM and a "for Verizon". All the GSM editions only come with Black Face, Woven White back that says Dev Edition, silver accents (buttons and ring around camera), come as 32gig only, and their warranty is not voided when unlocking their bootloader. Other than that they are the same as others. Just like the "Unlocked ships with XXX Sim" from Moto Maker, and/or a "T-Mobile" variant, the GSM Dev Edition is the XT1053. All these XT1053 units use the SAME ROM/SBF files. Just like the Moto Maker or in-Store version of the Verizon X, the Dev Edition for Verizon is an XT1060. These XT1060 units all use the SAME ROM/SBF files.
Oh, and because of this, the Dev Editions receive their OTA updates on the same schedule as their retail and moto maker counter parts.
Rogers sells/uses the XT1058, it supports different LTE bands than the XT1053 and XT1060, so you need to see exactly what Rogers is using today vs what the XT1053 or XT1060 support, and is it important to you, or how will that impact you. (there is a Wikipedia page on the X which does list the bands the models support, I just don't know where to tell you to find exactly which bands Rogers uses today, and might roll out in the future). NOTE: The Rogers XT1058 can have its bootloader unlocked for free from Moto's web site, but it does void the phone's warranty
in my experience (dating back to my Moto V710), Cameras in moto's phones have always lagged behind the competition. The X is no exception. Is it worthless? No. But if its not perfect conditions, you'll likely be disappointed. For outdoor, sunny day and perfectly lit situations, it takes great pictures. For Indoors, or cloudy day, or back lit, its not as good. There is a thread of pix taken with the X in the general section, but I've not had as good of luck with mine as pix you'll see in that thread (I don't retouch or edit after taking) as many have posted in that thread. As for lollipop camera, no idea until it gets here. And I don't use CM.
Lollipop is out for the 2014 X (aka 2nd gen), but not the 2013 X (aka 1st gen) yet. No word on when it will be out. But moto has said it will be coming.
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Arrogance? I once had all the same questions. Guess what I did? I searched and read then made an informed decision. The only difference being that I bought the phone when there was a lot less information available. You have the luxury of having a year and a half of information at your disposal from all over the internet.
If you can't find answers with that much information at your fingertips, how does that make me arrogant? I don't pretend to know more than you, I just believe in being logical and taking responsibility. If the phone is highly recommended and leads you to buy it, then what would you say or do if you find the phone doesn't suit your needs or doesn't meet your expectations? Would you ask strangers about anything and accept what they say as true without confirming the information yourself? Or would you buy something because a stranger recommended that you do?
I asked for advice and you gave "google it, google it, its subjective, what do you want from me"
You definitely have an attitude problem. It doesn't belong on XDA where the community is typically about discussing and sharing advice and opinion.
I'm glad you got your answers from google. This is still a Q&A forum. Fix your attitude, its also in the rules.
OK - we aren't getting Marshmallow for the 2013 Moto X. Even if Moto wasn't being gutted by Lenovo, expecting that upgrade would have been on the edge. So, with a XT1053, it's easy to move onto Cyanogenmod, but what would people recommend to replace some of the added value software Moto provided like Assist? Given that Moto is retiring Assist, everyone who likes it will need a replacement even if your Moto X version is being updated to Marshmallow. I understand that Google took 50% of Assist and baked it into Lollipop, but I've yet to find another solution which can automatically detect whether I'm driving with any degree of accuracy and for me Assist does a great job. The software "Agent" comes close to duplicating most of Assist on paper, but it's automatic driving detection has been hit or miss (mostly miss). Any suggestions of other software to replace Assist?
Okay, so to start off I've had an iphone for a couple years now and I'm way outta the loop on android things so please bare with me. I got my dad a moto x2 off ebay, its a verizon model. Looking on here I didn't see a verizon model posted in the phones section. Is there a difference other than software between models? Like could I flash a rom with an at&t radio and not have to worry about the dumb sim card error and have it work on lte? If so could someone just link me such a rom thats pre-rooted, debloated, and close to stock? I would really appreciate it. Also any tips or tricks on this phone would be awesome. (ps I'm not new to the custom rom scene just rusty)
Also did this thing get an official marshmallow update?
Thanks!
I have at&t, but I have the verizon moto x
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Okay, so to start off I've had an iphone for a couple years now and I'm way outta the loop on android things so please bare with me. I got my dad a moto x2 off ebay, its a verizon model. Looking on here I didn't see a verizon model posted in the phones section. Is there a difference other than software between models? Like could I flash a rom with an at&t radio and not have to worry about the dumb sim card error and have it work on lte? If so could someone just link me such a rom thats pre-rooted, debloated, and close to stock? I would really appreciate it. Also any tips or tricks on this phone would be awesome. (ps I'm not new to the custom rom scene just rusty)
Also did this thing get an official marshmallow update?
Thanks!
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Yeah, I was able to flash cm13 on it, which is made for the pure moto x 2014, and it works very well. I would highly recommend cm13, it is very close to stock and I run the google now launcher, since I dislike the app drawer in the default one. The only weird thing is moto display doesn't really work, but you can enable ambient display in display settings. If you have any other questions involving this phone I'd be happy to answer them!