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[Q] Gorilla Glass = who said its unscratchable!?

Hey y'all
i have an at&t Samsung Captivate,
its really a great phone,i also use an Samsung Wave which has the same
Spec and the same glass.
i have the Captivate for 2 days and allready have scratches,really tiny one's.
i used the Samsung Wave for 6 month's and dont have 1 scratch at all!
how can it be?? the same glass (the Wave's glass feel's much more thicker then the Captivate's glass)

buy a cheap screen protector on ebay if you do care ...

I don't think that anyone said it was 'unscratchable'. If they did, they don't know what they were talking about, I mean Corning doesn't even claim that:
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/characteristics
It is more resistant to large scratches and pitting because it's produced more like a ceramic composite than soda glass.
Little scratches won't impact functionality, but I'm surprised people don't use cases and screen protectors these days. I have a full body ZAGG AND an Otterbox Commuter on mine. I find even the silicone cases can rub the finish off of phones a little bit.

The thickness of the glass won't affect how well it resists scratching. It should help prevent it from cracking though.
GUARDIANBD said:
(the Wave's glass feel's much more thicker then the Captivate's glass)
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I beat the living crap out of my phone when its in my pocket (change, keys, etc..) and my screen is fine. You putting it in your pocket with sand paper or something?
And I agree this thing is a bit slippery if it doesn't have a case on it.. but the one I had was too bulky.

I don't have a screen protector, I don't have a case. Had a screen protector, it was alright, but I removed it; prefer the feel of the naked glass. I would not even consider destroying the sleekness of my phone by putting it in some gross case.
I have a pocket that's dedicated to my phone. I don't drop it. I clean the screen with a fog of breath on the left shoulder of whatever sweatshirt I'm wearing. It has no scratches and is pure as hell.
My general theory is that if you don't want to treat your phone well and want it jangling around in backpacks, laptop cases and/or and pockets full of junk, by all means cover it up. Otherwise, treat it well and you won't have to worry.

just orderd ZAGG screen protector (10$) and Otterbox (13$) for the Captivate via Ebay
hope it works...

GUARDIANBD said:
just orderd ZAGG screen protector (10$) and Otterbox (13$) for the Captivate via Ebay
hope it works...
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what were you doing to that phone, had mine for a long time and the screen is still in mint condition, and i cant stand screen protectors, so its a good thing this screen is tough

ballz0iron said:
what were you doing to that phone, had mine for a long time and the screen is still in mint condition, and i cant stand screen protectors, so its a good thing this screen is tough
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nothing...just sitting in my pocket without any sharp thingys :\

I have had 2 captivates. One with a full Zagg which covers every inch of the phone with clear plastic of some kind, and just the screen protector on the other.
I have ORD (Obsessive Romming Disease and can be found on this site if you need to admit your disorder, lmao) and the full skin started peeling off because I was taking it out of my case so much. The screen protector itself is not completely smooth or very slick, but it seems that small scratches seem to repair themselves. I am a pipefitter so that should tell you how rough I am on phones hanging on my pocket everyday. weld splatter, dust, dirt, scrapes, rolled over on, so it must be a tough phone. I had to replace the other one because of the random shutdown issue of Captivates made before November.
My Captivate is so fast I need a seatbelt!!!
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Gorilla Glass screen so is a protector necessary?

Just wanted to get some thoughts / experience from you guys on this please.

Gorilla Glass is tough, but it's not the indestructible thing a lot of people think it is. I still have the factory protector in place.

Cheers Rusty!
Was asking as I'm generally pretty careful with my devices and was thinking it should be durable enough for my jean pocket.

Durable, yes, scratch proof, no. Even people that are gentle get scratches once in a while. If one grain of sand gets in your pocket with the phone you could end up with scratches. Do yourself a favor and get a good quality protector that you will never notice once its on. I use Steinheil protectors.
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crzycrkr said:
Durable, yes, scratch proof, no. Even people that are gentle get scratches once in a while. If one grain of sand gets in your pocket with the phone you could end up with scratches. Do yourself a favor and get a good quality protector that you will never notice once its on. I use Steinheil protectors.
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Thanks for the advice crzycrkr - you make a fair point, I'll take a look at the Steinheil.
Cheers, H

my only problem is with protectors I can't make the same slick swipe movements, that I used to make on the glass surface... the film just sticks to my fingers, and sliding on it is just not so fluent...

XT69 said:
my only problem is with protectors I can't make the same slick swipe movements, that I used to make on the glass surface... the film just sticks to my fingers, and sliding on it is just not so fluent...
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You have not tried any good protectors then. Stick with dry application ones. The wet applications are more rubber like. The Steinheil is called the Ultra Optics I think. Have one on my Transformer and you can't even tell its there and can slide across it just like the glass. I used Boxwave in the past, but they scratched too easily. There are a lot of good protectors out there, just do some reading and stay away from Zagg Invisible Shields no matter what you do.
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I use a cloth pouch for my phone and haven't got any scratches since I got it (launch)
Like crzycrkr said, sand and minerals/stones in general are kryptonite for Gorilla Glass, whereas coins/keys/metal are no problem.
So, in my opinion, if you keep the phone in a pouch, you shouldn't face any serious problems.

Unless some sand finds it's way into the pouch, then you're utterly boned.

harmohn said:
Just wanted to get some thoughts / experience from you guys on this please.
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Hey dude. Do use a screen protector, my Nokia X6 has Gorilla glass too. but it has some scratches at the screen even when I put it inside a leather case.

Okay fellas, you've convinced me of the use case. I'll invest in a decent protector.
Thanks for all your comments!

i have no display protectors, imho they are unnecessary...
i believe that because when my o2x fell on the asphalt 3 months ago, faced down, i found lots of scratches on the plastic corners, but no scratches on the display. i could post some photos of the phone.
so, if the phone standed the asphalt, i guess it stands my pockets too

markop90 said:
i have no display protectors, imho they are unnecessary...
i believe that because when my o2x fell on the asphalt 3 months ago, faced down, i found lots of scratches on the plastic corners, but no scratches on the display. i could post some photos of the phone.
so, if the phone standed the asphalt, i guess it stands my pockets too
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Asphalt is not particularly hard. The only people who don't use screen protectors are the ones who haven't scratched their devices yet. Then they curse amd wwonder why they didn't listen. With the quality of the protectors out there, there's not reason not to get one
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I use it since April 2nd and do not use any screen protector or any other protector. I have my phone always with me and most of the time it is in my Jeans front pocket. I just came back from an outdoor trip to the polar circle and generally do lots of outdoor activities and my phones screen still is as new.
Sometimes I have sand in my pocket after I have played Beach Volleyball and still no scratches.
Sand will scratch Gorilla Glass, but it needs some force to do so. It wont scratch it if it only gently slides over it in a pocket.
Think about what you do with your phone before you do it and you won't need a protector. And don't worry, the O2X is really well crafted and not easy to damage.

mike-o2 said:
I use it since April 2nd and do not use any screen protector or any other protector. I have my phone always with me and most of the time it is in my Jeans front pocket. I just came back from an outdoor trip to the polar circle and generally do lots of outdoor activities and my phones screen still is as new.
Sometimes I have sand in my pocket after I have played Beach Volleyball and still no scratches.
Sand will scratch Gorilla Glass, but it needs some force to do so. It wont scratch it if it only gently slides over it in a pocket.
Think about what you do with your phone before you do it and you won't need a protector. And don't worry, the O2X is really well crafted and not easy to damage.
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Again, congratulations, but you are lucky and just one scratch away from kicking yourself for not putting one on.

Screen protector is just a thin film that'll not affect the screen's responsiveness, unless ofc you have that Sony bulky one. It is also cheap less than a buck. Why take the risk of a naked screen outdoor?

Because for one the scratches or damage in general could also happen on the backside and I wont put my pretty phone into an ugly case. Also I like the touch of glass.
And finally when I will sell this phone sometime in one or two years, the price won't differ between a totally unscratched pone and one with a few scratches.

mike-o2 said:
Because for one the scratches or damage in general could also happen on the backside and I wont put my pretty phone into an ugly case. Also I like the touch of glass.
And finally when I will sell this phone sometime in one or two years, the price won't differ between a totally unscratched pone and one with a few scratches.
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Just out of curiosity, have you tried a good quality, dry application protector, like a Steinheil ultra clear? 99 out of 100 people wouldn't even know its on, and all 100 wouldn't have a problem with the feel.

No I haven't.
I've used screen Protectors on my former phones and they did statisfy me.
With this phone I still am happy that I don't need one.

First thing I did was taking off the protector when I bought my phone.
Still no scratch, always carrying in my pocket.
The thin protector will not protect the phone from getting scratched for objects which will damage gorilla glass.
Without protector it feels better also.
I don't leave the plastic around the seats in my car also.

[Q] Good way of polishing the scratches

So I just bought my i9020 today and it has some scratches on the screen (second hand, guys). Any idea how to polish them? Anybody tried?

i think.
i think that if you get a ghost armor screen protector, it will hide the scratch if its applied on to. don't take this 100 percent guarantee. I dont have it on me, i will soon

Usually screen protectors will hide scratches very well, and I would recommend them instead of trying to find a way to remove them. Matte protectors work best if you prefer them.
If you try to remove the scratches, you will probably also have to remove the oleiophobic coating from the screen, otherwise parts of the screen will appear to have different consistencies. Once you try this, there's no going back.

A very mild abrassive and lots of polishing can work wonders depending on the depth of the scratches.
I've used Brasso metal polish AND toothpaste (the white kind, not the gel kind) in the past for very small scratches with a microfiber cloth and lots of rubbing. It'll take around an hour or so of rubbing to get them gone.
For the deeper scratches, you can wet sand things.
I've did it with an LCD TV, the protective layer had been scored with a key during a party organized by my brother (he cried a little when it happened on his 2 weeks old TV) and it worked wonderfully. I'm not sure this is good for touchscreen devices though, even less the Nexus S because of the curved screen (can't use a sanding block)
Edit: Agreed on the coating. No matter polishing job you do, you'll likely end up having to remove the whole coating. Something I did to my polycarbonate glasses after I scratched them in a car accident, removed all the anti-reflection coating but ended up not having to rebuy glasses.

Try toothpaste, if it don't work, try clean with milk
I know it is strange, but both of them do clear the scratches off depends on how deep is it.
Accidentally sent from my Google Nexus S using XDA Premium

Any polishing/ wet sanding you do will most likely remove some of the coating. That said, a screen protector can hide most light scratches.
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Just rock the scratches. I got 2 scratches on mine, but it's MINT compared to most AVERAGE phone users.

LancerEVA06 said:
Just rock the scratches. I got 2 scratches on mine, but it's MINT compared to most AVERAGE phone users.
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I'm so above average. No scratches.
Feeling cool oh yeah

got a few scratches by the home, menu, back, and search.
so is toothpaste polish and brasso the way to go?

Screen protector scratched

When I got mine O2X I didn't take off screen protector. Today when I looked it seemed like it was scratched. How is it posible? Is it posible that the screen is also scratched? I'm afraid to take it off to check the screen.
edit: Is this gorilla glass screen really that scratch-proof for everything except sand, minerals and glass?

Hi,
The screen's gorilla glass is really THAT good actually.. most people will say no need to use screen protector... but for myself.. I do use just for extra safety.. since even the best of them are quite cheap online.
The stock 'screen protector' is not really a screen protector.. its just a transparent sticker pasted for packaging protection. I doubt your screen is scratched, but you need to remove it to actually know..
I suggest if you are planning to buy a real screen protecter, buy those made with PET material (some even use PET from 3M), they are more durable and scratch resistant. Becareful with the terms...its sratch RESISTANT not scratch PROOF. Two different things. But it IS better.
Cheers!

Hello!
Yes, the "stock screen protector" scratches easily…
…and No, i wouldn't expect any real scratches in the screen itself/the gorilla glass itself - it is most probably intact.
You can either ignore these small scratches in the plastic foil or get one more scratch resistant.
I also didn’t take of the protective foil – just lazy…
Now after 3 months of usage mine looks quite battered and I will replace it if I have a minute.

I do not think everything is perfect in this world
gorilla glass can also be scratched, especially for small objects such as sharp sand
I suggest to you to always use additional security on your screen scratch resistant though, because some of my friends who use o2x also been scratched on the screen due to sand

You cannot injure the screen through a protector so rest assured there. Personally I always will use a screen protector. I don't feel right if my phone is "naked" so to speak, makes me uber paranoid.
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Nexus 10 invisibleSHIELD Available

http://bit.ly/TAdai5
Looks like they got the full body one and just the screen protector... been waiting for these!
I've put one of these on my Nexus S, but never on something as big as a tablet... hopefully it's just as easy.

There's so many other screen protectors that are better than zagg. Go with XO skins or BSE.

edgeicator said:
There's so many other screen protectors that are better than zagg. Go with XO skins or BSE.
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Where's the best place to get them and is there a warranty?

Online on their respective websites, bestskinsever.com, xoskins,com, etc. They all have lifetime warranties I believe.

edgeicator said:
There's so many other screen protectors that are better than zagg. Go with XO skins or BSE.
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Just curious on how they are better ? Just the pricfe or quality?
I've had a Screen protector from Zagg on my SGS2 since day 1 and seems perfect . Is the touch feeling different on those ?

why in the world would you want to put a screen protector on one of these? you can never get them on perfect and even when placed really good they still ruin the look and feel of the screen in my opinion. also dont worry about the screen anyway- they are practically indestructible/unscratchable with the new glass they use. search youtube for gorilla glass 2 and see for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT8xI4PEU8c

NLPUNITED said:
Just curious on how they are better ? Just the pricfe or quality?
I've had a Screen protector from Zagg on my SGS2 since day 1 and seems perfect . Is the touch feeling different on those ?
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A lot less orange peel, don't feel as rubbery, cheaper.
DaveWW00 said:
why in the world would you want to put a screen protector on one of these? you can never get them on perfect and even when placed really good they still ruin the look and feel of the screen in my opinion. also dont worry about the screen anyway- they are practically indestructible/unscratchable with the new glass they use. search youtube for gorilla glass 2 and see for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT8xI4PEU8c
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Because sand will scratch the glass regardless. It's like you don't understand how minerals work. silica has a hardness of 7. gorilla glass is ~6.4. Also, gorilla Glass 2 is thinner than gorilla glass 1, so it will shatter easier when dropped.

edgeicator said:
A lot less orange peel, don't feel as rubbery, cheaper.
Because sand will scratch the glass regardless. It's like you don't understand how minerals work. silica has a hardness of 7. gorilla glass is ~6.4. Also, gorilla Glass 2 is thinner than gorilla glass 1, so it will shatter easier when dropped.
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First: Not sure where your ~6.4 number is coming from. Everything i have seen reports it between 7 and 9. Corning uses a different type of test for abrasion so there is no official mohs hardness number.
Second: What the heck are you doing with your tablet that you are that worried about getting sand on it? I have had my phone(s) on construction sites and in our laboratory full of soil, sand, rock, concrete, etc every day and havent scratched one of them once since i got one that has this glass. If it can not scratch under the abuse i give it at work it can survive anything most other people can throw at it. If you get some sand or something on the screen, gently wipe it off and it will be fine. Big thing you need to worry about scratching it is diamonds and other gems from jewelry or maybe the corundrum off of sandpaper or emery boards.
Third: Gorilla glass 2 is thinner but "Corning announced Gorilla Glass 2, a glass 20 percent thinner than the original material offering the same scratch resistance, the same strength and enhanced touch-sensitivity." Either way, a plastic film on the screen isnt going to help protect the screen from breaking in a drop- at best it will hold all the broken pieces together. Its adding no impact resistance to the glass.
My point was only this- why ruin the look at feel of the beautiful screen on this thing when corning and others have spent enormous amounts of money developing glass for these so you don't have to bother with a screen protector. Save your money and buy a nice case to carry it in when you aren't using it and you'll be fine.

DaveWW00 said:
First: Not sure where your ~6.4 number is coming from. Everything i have seen reports it between 7 and 9. Corning uses a different type of test for abrasion so there is no official mohs hardness number.
Second: What the heck are you doing with your tablet that you are that worried about getting sand on it? I have had my phone(s) on construction sites and in our laboratory full of soil, sand, rock, concrete, etc every day and havent scratched one of them once since i got one that has this glass. If it can not scratch under the abuse i give it at work it can survive anything most other people can throw at it. If you get some sand or something on the screen, gently wipe it off and it will be fine. Big thing you need to worry about scratching it is diamonds and other gems from jewelry or maybe the corundrum off of sandpaper or emery boards.
Third: Gorilla glass 2 is thinner but "Corning announced Gorilla Glass 2, a glass 20 percent thinner than the original material offering the same scratch resistance, the same strength and enhanced touch-sensitivity." Either way, a plastic film on the screen isnt going to help protect the screen from breaking in a drop- at best it will hold all the broken pieces together. Its adding no impact resistance to the glass.
My point was only this- why ruin the look at feel of the beautiful screen on this thing when corning and others have spent enormous amounts of money developing glass for these so you don't have to bother with a screen protector. Save your money and buy a nice case to carry it in when you aren't using it and you'll be fine.
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You do realise that sand is literally everywhere right? It's in your pockets, on your table, etc. http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/wa1g0/gorilla_glass_2_is_overhyped_there_are_a_ton_of/
http://androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s3/579703-so-much-scratch-resistant-gorilla-glass-2-a.html
http://forums.androidcentral.com/ve...ss-2-already-scratched-very-disappointed.html
Oh look, people managed to scratch their gorilla glass 2 phone in their pocket. It's merely scratch resistant and not scratch proof.

edgeicator said:
Oh look, people managed to scratch their gorilla glass 2 phone in their pocket. It's merely scratch resistant and not scratch proof.
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Yeah, so put it in a case before putting it in your pocket, like the guy was saying.
You do that, you don't really need a screen protector.

edgeicator said:
You do realise that sand is literally everywhere right? It's in your pockets, on your table, etc. http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/wa1g0/gorilla_glass_2_is_overhyped_there_are_a_ton_of/
http://androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s3/579703-so-much-scratch-resistant-gorilla-glass-2-a.html
http://forums.androidcentral.com/ve...ss-2-already-scratched-very-disappointed.html
Oh look, people managed to scratch their gorilla glass 2 phone in their pocket. It's merely scratch resistant and not scratch proof.
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how big are your sand-filled pockets if you can fit a 10 inch tablet in them?
and you need to clean your table if its got sand all over it.

DaveWW00 said:
how big are your sand-filled pockets if you can fit a 10 inch tablet in them?
and you need to clean your table if its got sand all over it.
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I've helped friends install InvisibleShield on various phones, and despite a pristine install, I really never could stand the feel of one of these instead of the bare glass. When I got my Galaxy Nexus a year ago, I checked the reviews again, looked at friends' phones with screen protectors (including Zagg) and came away with the same impression -- makes sense, since they're probably using the same 3M protective film (used on leading edge of helicopter rotors, car bras, etc.)
Despite the horror stories and photos of screens destroyed with "invisible sand", I decided to chance it with the GNex so I could really enjoy the screen as it was intended to be used. The only protection the phone has ever had on it is the 2-piece (silicone inner with plastic shell) Incipio case that Verizon was selling. The screen has been bare for a year.
The phone is generally with me from 6am till bedtime. I travel frequently for work -- the phone gets jammed in a pants pocket, jacket pocket, placed in a cup holder in my car, I've dropped it 3 times (happily the Incipio was sufficient protection). I've had it on camping trips, and on our last two vacations at the beach the phone came along with me every day.
Point is: the Galaxy Nexus screen is not even true Gorilla Glass, but an unspecified "fortified glass" that Samsung used instead back then. Assumptions are that real Gorilla Glass is more scratch resistant, and Gorilla Glass 2 is an even better product. With all considered, my Galaxy Nexus has no visible scratches -- and I DO check it carefully, as flaws like that tend to bug me. I've taken a chance with the phone, but in the end I'm SO happy that I have been able to fully enjoy the phone as it was intended, rather than have to drag my finger across a slightly rubbery, slightly orange-peely, surface any time I want to use it.
In my own use, a tablet would subject to less potential scratching and wear than my phone. I'm careful with my tech equipment -- but I use it heavily, and I want to enjoy it to the fullest. So far, protectors like Zagg's product do more to compromise my experience than the protection is worth to me. Everyone uses their devices in their own fashion, some are rougher on them than others or more accident prone, and some live in sandier climates... Obviously each has to decide what makes sense for his/her self. For me, considering my usage patterns -- the state of the art of screens and screen protectors is such that I generally won't use one, and I haven't regretted it yet.