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Guys, I need advice please.
Right now in Russia I can buy an ATT SGSII for $500, and it does not have warranty, or I can buy a Note for $750 with 1 year warranty. I can inspect both phones before buying.
So, in you opinion, which is a better buy? Is the $250 difference worth to get the Note?
Thanks
pulsarvp said:
Guys, I need advice please.
Right now in Russia I can buy an ATT SGSII for $500, and it does not have warranty, or I can buy a Note for $750 with 1 year warranty. I can inspect both phones before buying.
So, in you opinion, which is a better buy? Is the $250 difference worth to get the Note?
Thanks
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As you are in the Note section people will off course say to take the Note. I have had both and they`re both good. The big screen is really a pleasure to use while browsing, gaming and watching youtube. The S2 is smaller and easier to put in your pocket, is a bit snappier at the moment but it has had more updates than the note.
It`s hard to choose but i would go with the note, it`s getting faster and faster with every update. And the note has about 3 times the pixels the S2 has!
If you haven't had a 5" screen, hard to make a determination, but I had a Dell
Streak...hard to go back after you have a big screen.
The other thing to consider, I don't know your age, but the older you get, the better you will appreciate the LARGER screen
i've had both... Note is a better phone solely for the browsing experience
p51d007 said:
If you haven't had a 5" screen, hard to make a determination, but I had a Dell
Streak...hard to go back after you have a big screen.
The other thing to consider, I don't know your age, but the older you get, the better you will appreciate the LARGER screen
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My eyes are good, my arms are to short
gee2012 said:
As you are in the Note section people will off course say to take the Note. I have had both and they`re both good. The big screen is really a pleasure to use while browsing, gaming and watching youtube. The S2 is smaller and easier to put in your pocket, is a bit snappier at the moment but it has had more updates than the note.
It`s hard to choose but i would go with the note, it`s getting faster and faster with every update. And the note has about 3 times the pixels the S2 has!
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F*** AT&T!!! Regardless of whether you ultimately get a Note or an SGS2, never, never, never, (!!!)NEVER(!!!) buy a carrier subsidized device for ANY reason whatsoever!
Here's why:
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Ok, yes, the unlocked device will cost more up front. HOWEVER, provided you take very good care of your device, chances are, you can probably sell that device for ~$200 less than what you paid for it in about a year anyway. Seems awfully close to what you might have spent on a carrier subsidized device right?
The other thing is that you will never have to deal with carrier limitations or bloat. The AT&T version of the SGS2 will be tightly locked down and monitored. The IMEI will be in their database. AT&T has admitted to putting Carrier IQ on their devices (if you don't know what that is, I suggest you find out!), so they can basically see everything you're doing on the device right down to key presses!
If you buy an unlocked device, it's yours; you can do whatever you want to with it, and whatever the device is capable of; nothing locked down on the device by the carrier. Also, you won't have to deal with pre-installed carrier apps that you'll never use because you don't want them, because they're crap anyway, and you can't (easily) remove. Yeah you won't be dealing with any of that with an unlocked device either.
Oh yeah, and what about software updates? Carrier subsidized devices run slightly different hardware, so basically they're in a niche market; they're in their own little bubble of the world, subject to the whims of the carrier. So, while everyone else around the world (or those that bought unlocked devices) are enjoying their lovely Ice Cream Sandwiches starting in Q1 2012 (according to Samsung), you'll be stuck with the same old stale moldy Gingerbread from 2011, until MAYBE sometime towards the end of the summer of 2012, you'll get some hateful, melted, neutered, bloated, hacked up custom build of ICS designed more to meet the requirements of AT&T than to be a pleasant user experience for you...
Do you really want that? I sure as hell don't...
Basically, we consumers in America need to change this paradigm of seeing the carrier as a retail outlet. By allowing ourselves to be herded like cattle and sheep into carrier "outlets," we are locking ourselves in, and relinquishing our consumer freedom of choice, and thus inhibiting competition and innovation. More and more we see adverts for carriers (and the devices associated with those carriers), and less and less do we see advertisements from the manufacturers themselves, with no carrier affiliation whatsoever. This is sad... This is sad because the fierce competition and innovation that would otherwise draw us to one brand or another, is being lost to indirect association of a carrier instead.
Let retailers focus on selling us the devices we want, and let the carriers focus on providing us with the service we demand. No more of this "mixing church and state" if you will; that **** has GOT TO GO!!
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Buy unlocked. It's just better, period.
You'll thank yourself (and me! ) for it later.
You're welcome!
Jade Eyed Wolf said:
F*** AT&T!!! Regardless of whether you ultimately get a Note or an SGS2, never, never, never, (!!!)NEVER(!!!) buy a carrier subsidized device for ANY reason whatsoever!
Here's why:
[ANGRY RANT]
Ok, yes, the unlocked device will cost more up front. HOWEVER, provided you take very good care of your device, chances are, you can probably sell that device for ~$200 less than what you paid for it in about a year anyway. Seems awfully close to what you might have spent on a carrier subsidized device right?
The other thing is that you will never have to deal with carrier limitations or bloat. The AT&T version of the SGS2 will be tightly locked down and monitored. The IMEI will be in their database. AT&T has admitted to putting Carrier IQ on their devices (if you don't know what that is, I suggest you find out!), so they can basically see everything you're doing on the device right down to key presses!
If you buy an unlocked device, it's yours; you can do whatever you want to with it, and whatever the device is capable of; nothing locked down on the device by the carrier. Also, you won't have to deal with pre-installed carrier apps that you'll never use because you don't want them, because they're crap anyway, and you can't (easily) remove. Yeah you won't be dealing with any of that with an unlocked device either.
Oh yeah, and what about software updates? Carrier subsidized devices run slightly different hardware, so basically they're in a niche market; they're in their own little bubble of the world, subject to the whims of the carrier. So, while everyone else around the world (or those that bought unlocked devices) are enjoying their lovely Ice Cream Sandwiches starting in Q1 2012 (according to Samsung), you'll be stuck with the same old stale moldy Gingerbread from 2011, until MAYBE sometime towards the end of the summer of 2012, you'll get some hateful, melted, neutered, bloated, hacked up custom build of ICS designed more to meet the requirements of AT&T than to be a pleasant user experience for you...
Do you really want that? I sure as hell don't...
Basically, we consumers in America need to change this paradigm of seeing the carrier as a retail outlet. By allowing ourselves to be herded like cattle and sheep into carrier "outlets," we are locking ourselves in, and relinquishing our consumer freedom of choice, and thus inhibiting competition and innovation. More and more we see adverts for carriers (and the devices associated with those carriers), and less and less do we see advertisements from the manufacturers themselves, with no carrier affiliation whatsoever. This is sad... This is sad because the fierce competition and innovation that would otherwise draw us to one brand or another, is being lost to indirect association of a carrier instead.
Let retailers focus on selling us the devices we want, and let the carriers focus on providing us with the service we demand. No more of this "mixing church and state" if you will; that **** has GOT TO GO!!
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Buy unlocked. It's just better, period.
You'll thank yourself (and me! ) for it later.
You're welcome!
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I`am not on AT&T off course but i would never buy a carrier phone. Most sold phones in Holland are simlockfree (unlocked), even the carrrier phones! Carriers should take care and improve their network, not mess with phones that are payed for by their customers.
gee2012 said:
As you are in the Note section people will off course say to take the Note. I have had both and they`re both good. The big screen is really a pleasure to use while browsing, gaming and watching youtube. The S2 is smaller and easier to put in your pocket, is a bit snappier at the moment but it has had more updates than the note.
It`s hard to choose but i would go with the note, it`s getting faster and faster with every update. And the note has about 3 times the pixels the S2 has!
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Yea, I forgot to understand that iam posting in the Note zone
Thanks for so many replies.
There are also rumors that a new SGS will be announced in February, and the Note is much newer. And sim locked devices are not an option for me.
Any mOre opinions? Thanks.
I got my Note today, and before my Note I was using the SGS2 for about 7 months. Fantastic phone (the SGS2) and much MUCH more pocketable.
If you don't mind the larger phone, you're going to be getting something very similar in specs (internally). the Note has a faster CPU, but seems a tiny bit slower due to all the pixels. Also, I've had 7 months of updates, which is different than the 1 day I've had mine and I had 2 updates to install! Regardless, I like the Note It's a keeper The screen is just GORGEOUS.
You will miss out if you don't get the Note, its every ways better than the SII.
This thread should persuade you: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1406255
I think OP wants to know if it's worth spending the extra $250 on the Note. The answer lies on how you use your phone. Most Note owners use their device mostly for browsing and watching movies and for that, nothing beats the Note and definitely worth the $250 upgrade. Games are also great.
I got mine getting an Iphone 4s through a carrier ($199) then unlocking and selling on ebay for $500 more to finance my Note. I dont mind the contract since i cant lose my unlimited data plan anyway.
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pulsarvp said:
Guys, I need advice please.
Right now in Russia I can buy an ATT SGSII for $500, and it does not have warranty, or I can buy a Note for $750 with 1 year warranty. I can inspect both phones before buying.
So, in you opinion, which is a better buy? Is the $250 difference worth to get the Note?
Thanks
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$250
Will get you:
1 year warranty
Bigger screen
Better battery
Cool factor (results may vary)
Responsive stylus capability
Among a lot of other points
Now don't get me wrong, the sg2 is a beautiful phone, but after I bought myself a note, I can't look at my sg2 without thinking what a little toy it is compared to this beast.
Im in Russia too and I just got the Note for 750$ a few days back. Are you in Moscow to be exact?
Just an update, I got a Motorola Razr for $600, and I am happy with it.
I wanted the Note badly, but a friend with the Note (he just got it) looks very funny, especially during business meetings, where some old guys stare at the him as if his hair are pink.
Btw, The Razr also has dark marks under the screen, visible in a dark room.
Google and LG most likely make NO money from selling the Nexus 4 at the $299 pricepoint. The Nexus 4 is identical to the Optimus G, which is suppose to be LG's cash cow. Same proc, same screen. Tbe build actually looks nicer on the Nexus 4. The camera is a wash since the 13MP one sucks and the 8MP is identical on both. So literally the only difference is whether you want LTE or not. Is LTE (and a subjectively much uglier design) worth $200+ price premium for the Optimus G? The Nexus 4 also has pure Android which is also a big plus, So why is LG releasing the (much better) Nexus 4 at a no-profit price and undercutting their cash cow the Optimus G? They are barely making squat right now in the mobile phone space. This makes no business sense.
I'm pretty sure LG just builds the phone and gets paid for it, Google probably will sell it close to what they paid to get it built. So LG isn't losing money, Google is just breaking even or maybe barely losing.
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Improving their brand image while simultaneously getting their brand name out there?
While not entirely the same, you could argue that with the Galaxy Nexus, it was fighting with the S2 and a little bit of the S3.
Yet Samsung managed to really make their push during that time period. People have tons of horror stories when it comes to LG. If they play their cards right with these devices, they'll have a much brighter future.
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The Xiaomi Mi2 will also be selling at a loss ($310 vs a cost of $370), and has pretty much identical specs as the Nexus 4. I think they can manage to break even overall, especially with most sales going to the 16 GB version.
florelui001p said:
I'm pretty sure LG just builds the phone and gets paid for it, Google probably will sell it close to what they paid to get it built. So LG isn't losing money, Google is just breaking even or maybe barely losing.
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Google pays for it, and then they sell it to us with expensive taxes via Google Play :B
I'm assuming LG developed the phone for a flat contract price to Google.
Google is likely making little to nothing on selling the price.
They are likely straight up buying marketshare for android and enticing people to buy into their ecosystem while they make money off apps, movies, tv shows, music, and ads.
datwunkid said:
I'm assuming LG developed the phone for a flat contract price to Google.
Google is likely making little to nothing on selling the price.
They are likely straight up buying marketshare for android and enticing people to buy into their ecosystem while they make money off apps, movies, tv shows, music, and ads.
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They sure are!
I will mostly likely be dropping the iPhone ecosystem for Android because of the Nexus 4 come November 13th. Eventually I will also convince others who rely on my smartphone knowledge on what to buy to get the Nexus 4. So it has done its job even if Google isn't making a profit off of the hardware. They will eventually make profit off of me from the Google Play content I (and many others I convince) purchase.
Excellent post datwunkid :good:
I think Google is taking the hit and selling it close to cost. You also have to factor in that the retail cost of some phones have carrier markup added in as well so that they can make some extra $$$ off people buying off contract. They're probably selling it close to cost and the Nexus line isn't really a big seller to begin with so nobody's really losing a boatload of money here. LG gets to have their name attached to what is looking to be an incredible Android phone (and DEAD SEXY!!!) which will get them back into the good graces of some of the Android fans out there. Also remember Google is an ad company - selling phones for profit isn't where they're making the lion's share of their money and while I'm sure they care somewhat about how well this device does, it'll barely have any effect on their bottom line.
Let's not kid ourselves. Google is definitely making money here. I know in the retail market, mark-up is routinely 1000%. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if LG can spit these phones out in mass production at $50 a unit or cheaper. Anybody that's had any experience in buying mass quantities knows that Google is making money.
When you see service providers selling phones out of contract for $600-$800, your seeing first hand the companies rape/screw the general public like they do best. Even when you buy a phone for a subsidized price from one of the big four, do you really think that are not still making money off the sale of the unit? Don't kid yourself...
giant22000 said:
Let's not kid ourselves. Google is definitely making money here. I know in the retail market, mark-up is routinely 1000%. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if LG can spit these phones out in mass production at $50 a unit or cheaper. Anybody that's had any experience in buying mass quantities knows that Google is making money.
When you see service providers selling phones out of contract for $600-$800, your seeing first hand the companies rape/screw the general public like they do best. Even when you buy a phone for a subsidized price from one of the big four, do you really think that are not still making money off the sale of the unit? Don't kid yourself...
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You ever look at any tear downs of phones? The parts on this phone are probably worth two hundred or so dollars, plus assembly, warranty claims, marketing. There will be a thin margin, but it will be there. I don't think many carriers will pick up the phone, so it will only really appeal to people who avoid contracts, anyway.
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It makes sense for LG to do it at little to no profit because releasing the phone would help their market and image in the long run if the phone is a success. Google is baking on the consumers to buy apps, books, music, and magazines from their store.
giant22000 said:
I wouldn't be surprised one bit if LG can spit these phones out in mass production at $50 a unit or cheaper.
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Have you been drinking tonight by any chance? Your post has me curious :laugh:
Borteeo said:
You ever look at any tear downs of phones? The parts on this phone are probably worth two hundred or so dollars, plus assembly, warranty claims, marketing. There will be a thin margin, but it will be there. I don't think many carriers will pick up the phone, so it will only really appeal to people who avoid contracts, anyway.
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Think of it this way. When it comes to building a pc, you can't build one as cheap as you can buy one from one of the big boys. Plain and simple, they buy parts by the 1000's. These parts are heavily discounted at a contracted, negotiated price when bought this way.
I can assure that NO company is going to put forth the effort for a small profit margin. That's just how the corporate world works. If it doesn't make good/excellent profits, it's simply not worth the time or effort.
y would you complain about something like this though. the price is a good thing :good:
No complaining here! I'm totally stoked about it's price point. Best bang for the buck bar-none in my book! Can't wait to order...
I can assure that NO company is going to put forth the effort for a small profit margin. That's just how the corporate world works. If it doesn't make good/excellent profits, it's simply not worth the time or effort.
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Still I disagree about $50, there are actual documented break down of iPhone 4S hardware cost, is around $180, though the 5 is cheaper. Give the chinese slaves a break.
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Well here is the news Google partnered with lg because of the price as they are the only one who agreed to make phone at this price level. Its also get back lg to the market, despite their products are cool but their developers are sucks, lazy people wouldnt work on old devices to bring latest os so people like me promised won't buy lg product ever again, other company like Sony and Samsung refused Google to make smartphone with this spec for this price. But who cares about the partner as long as Google controls the os. I'm getting this as soon as it goes live for sale.
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Maybe Samsung doesn't want to create any more nexus phone just because of this. Their Galaxy S line and Note line will be ruined.
The same thing happens with the nexus 10, which is cheaper and FAR more specwise than note 10.1
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qreffie said:
I think Google is taking the hit and selling it close to cost.
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The iPhone 5 costs about 200$ (16gb I think). I don't think the Nexus will cost much more. So, Google will get money out of this
Google was earning money even with the 16gb a 249$
I you think it costs them that money to make a phone you are mistaken.
I have seen retail buy in prices for handsets in bulk, and those would raise your eye brows!
so manufacturing prices would be much less.
Can not for the life of me see how this phone is so cheap considering the specs and build quality. Anybody had any hands on experience with the phone find any flaws? If I get the money I'm almost definitely going to buy this. I just hope that the battery life and sound quality are decent as to me it just seems too cheap to be perfect. I also hate the snobbery from the iPhone users who have seen the price of this and think what a load of cheap garbage but I'd love for this to prove them wrong.
It's not that this phone is cheap, it's that unlocked phones are CRAZY overpriced.
There is no catch, Google wants to get consumers away from carrier control and push their Android ecosystem. Win/win for them.
sharpinator said:
Can not for the life of me see how this phone is so cheap considering the specs and build quality. Anybody had any hands on experience with the phone find any flaws? If I get the money I'm almost definitely going to buy this. I just hope that the battery life and sound quality are decent as to me it just seems too cheap to be perfect. I also hate the snobbery from the iPhone users who have seen the price of this and think what a load of cheap garbage but I'd love for this to prove them wrong.
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Search Nexus 4 reviews on Google, I'm sure you bound to find many advantages and disadvantages. Biggest ones to concern me is the glass back breaks easily and that storage wise you only get 8GB or 16GB. Not having LTE isn't a problem since I'm with T-Mobile.
They are probably only barely breaking even on the costs; phones like the Galaxy S III and the iPhone 5 have a unit cost much lower than their retail cost. Gotta make money somehow. I'm not sure what Google's motivations are with setting these prices, but they're not making a profit from them.
DanielBeaver said:
I'm not sure what Google's motivations are with setting these prices, but they're not making a profit from them.
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Probably pushing stock android and android development. Google isn't looking to get a profit on the phone, but they are looking to get a profit on what you do with the phone (aka: search).
DanielBeaver said:
They are probably only barely breaking even on the costs; phones like the Galaxy S III and the iPhone 5 have a unit cost much lower than their retail cost. Gotta make money somehow. I'm not sure what Google's motivations are with setting these prices, but they're not making a profit from them.
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That's very interesting Daniel. It kind of sounds like how Sony sold the ps3 at a much lower price than it should be sold. They were losing money to push blu ray so maybe google are selling a really "affordable" High end phone to push android that one step further than iPhone.
Its Google flexing a little, its all about market share so break even is fine. Im aliitle concerned about when motorola takes the lead, though that could be a year or two away. no complaints if they want to give me a break. Im on t-Mobile too so no big deal LTE.
The catch is they know you will buy apps. + you may be tempted to get one for other peeps in your life as they are cheap and its xmas time. These peeps, will also buy apps.
/shrug
GoreTan said:
Search Nexus 4 reviews on Google, I'm sure you bound to find many advantages and disadvantages. Biggest ones to concern me is the glass back breaks easily and that storage wise you only get 8GB or 16GB. Not having LTE isn't a problem since I'm with T-Mobile.
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I suppose the glass breaking could be an issue but then again I treat my phones like the crown jewels so I doubt that would be a huge problem for me. Also being in the UK on three I get decent HSPA speeds so the lack of LTE or 4G is absolutely irrelevant to me and most of the UK. The faster phones processors are getting the faster web browsing is with 3g anyway so I'm not fussed for 4g at the moment.
Right, they want Android everywhere and this is how Android wins eventually..not to mention it costs them squat per phone to build..
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So it's a marketing ploy to really push android. I'm fine with that As long as they weren't sacrificing any quality with the phone. This is surely exciting. I hope I can get one as soon as possible. I'm a huge phone geek (well that's obvious being on XDA as we all are) and I've never seen anyone with a Nexus device in the UK so I think it will be great If people in the UK will start getting them. I've always been with sense so vanilla will be a completely new experience.
I came here immediately looking for posts that said that no LTE is the catch, didn't see any to my surprise
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I came here immediately looking for posts that said that no LTE is the catch, didn't see any to my surprise
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haha I'm so glad no one has said it. It barely matters to anyone outside of the US!
As great as this price is to get Android out into the world more, I just have a feeling that since the phone is only being sold on the play store for the (majority of people to buy) I am concerned that if they dont go all out on commercials (which they should of started with already IMO) then I have a feeling that they wont get many new people buying the phone.
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Can not for the life of me see how this phone is so cheap considering the specs and build quality. Anybody had any hands on experience with the phone find any flaws? If I get the money I'm almost definitely going to buy this. I just hope that the battery life and sound quality are decent as to me it just seems too cheap to be perfect. I also hate the snobbery from the iPhone users who have seen the price of this and think what a load of cheap garbage but I'd love for this to prove them wrong.
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Not sure there's a catch. I don't like the glass back. Seems like they're copying Apple. I also don't ;like how you can't remove the battery. They wear out after a while.
I hope hope hope that they improved the camera. When the Galaxy Nexus was released, it was promised that it took pictures instantly. This was an improvement from my older Androids which used to take 2-5 seconds to focus and snap a pic. However, the camera on the Galaxy Nexus was weak as hell. Grainy and blurry in low light and only 5 MP..
Most likely, Google is making a limited profit with this device because they just want to get it out there.
tweaked said:
The catch is they know you will buy apps. + you may be tempted to get one for other peeps in your life as they are cheap and its xmas time. These peeps, will also buy apps.
/shrug
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That's what I'm thinking. I'm sure the bulk of their profit from Android is based on the play store. Lower the cost of phones, get them in to the hands of more people, and in turn the people buy more apps from the play store. There's their profit:thumbup:
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Cost for making an iPhone 5 is $389.XX. Read it in the Time magazine. This may answer the question.
Its not marketing.. its just how they do money. Google is the second most profitable company in the world. And now of that was accomplished by selling hardware. Selling hardware at cost that boosts their income method is the best way to stay in "what they best". Plus it has some perks like happy customers, injected competition and market confidence.
On the other side of the medal, you have apple, the most profitable company in the world, that makes their money on high margin.
Both ways are legit ways to make money, but me, personally I prefer the half priced one
No, catch. Like what others have posted Google wants people using their ecosystem.
I think its great they are pricing it at cost probably, I'm sure there is profit but very little. I'm tiredof carriers and manufacturers raping customers with their crazy markups.
I've never had my phone battery go bad on me. The battery is easily accessible via 2 screws on bottom of phone, no biggie.
LTE is not really a deal breaker for me, I'm in las Vegas and get 14mbps on T-mobiles faux G.
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This speakerphone is probably the worst I have heard. It seems no matter who is on the other end of the phone call whether it be a cell or land line, speakerphone sucks. However, playing music through spotify is quite a bit better. Even still this is one of the quietest, if not the quietest speakers I have heard. I actually may agree with the "iVerge" review on that aspect. Us fans of Google / Android and the Nexus program have a hard time accepting criticism for the things we love. Hell anyone has a hard time accepting criticism for what you love or want to love.
When compared to the 5S; the Nexus 5 at full volume is equal to the 5S at half.
The speakerphone may be the sole reason for me returning the Nexus 5. I love the screen, the battery seems great especially for a first day charge, and the camera app will be updated. You cannot update or make a speaker quality better, unfortunately.
Comparing the costs of the Nexus 5 vs the high end units should not count as an excuse we have to make as consumers. "Oh it only cost $349 or $399, I should expect to have a *****ty speakerphone, or possibly poor camera performance." Price is the excuse that everyone makes when something is wrong with the Nexus 5, or any of the past Nexus phones. Stop making excuses as consumers. Shouldn't we all want the best that Google is capable of? The phones components may very well be similar in price to the HTC One or S4, Google just chooses to make much less profit because they don't need to make most of their revenue from selling cellular devices.
The iPhone 5S is $199 to make. Apple chooses to sell them for $649. If Apple can make a great phone for $199 then so should Google and LG be able to.
Even if the Nexus 5 cost $199 to make or perhaps $250, or $275 an extra $75 above the cost of the iPhone for a huge company such as LG should be plenty to spare to make THE HIGHEST quality phone out there.
The S4 cost $237 to build, for example and arguably has certain higher quality components such as the 13MP camera, and 2600mAh battery and an equivalent screen size of 5 inches. I could not find the HTC One cost to build.
If Google is really all about getting 4.4 and android into the next billion customers, they should make the highest quality phones and perhaps think about selling them at or near cost to build and make profit from the play store instead.
Unfortunately the only thing for me that is better specifically about the Nexus 5 over the iPhone is the screen (not comparing OS's). Man is it gorgeous. And when that's the only thing that is better, I am disappointed to say but it is going back. And no, the additional retail price of the iPhone is not a relevant argument as explained above as it is likely that they have a somewhat similar cost to build.
I'll take an HTC One-2 around March with a 5 inch display, normal camera and without the huge bezels.
Oh boy, another thread with something we haven't heard before.
Do you know how much it cost for them to make my blow dryer? I want to make sure I am getting my money's worth.
*BRB, need to give this thread the wonderful rating it deserves.
[email protected] said:
Oh boy, another thread with something we haven't heard before.
Do you know how much it cost for them to make my blow dryer? I want to make sure I am getting my money's worth.
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a guy tells the truth.
Hmmm...speaker complaint...where have I heard this before...?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2512591
MaxCarnage said:
Hmmm...speaker complaint...where have I heard this before...?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2512591
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Yeah, but cost is a new one, isn't it? huh, huh?
I think he is onto something. Google should really be selling this phone for $199 max unlocked. They are just ripping us off and I do not think we should take it!
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Yeah, but cost is a new one, isn't it? huh, huh?
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And I don't think we've had a poll on who is upset about their speaker either, so that would be another thread too. I guess I just can't see the big picture.
really don't understand the flack about the speaker. I can honestly say it is better than my old HTC One XL.
He's kind of right whether you like the tread or not.
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ethantarheels123 said:
really don't understand the flack about the speaker. I can honestly say it is better than my old HTC One XL.
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Buddy, this a complaint thread. If you have something good to say please do not do it here!
[email protected] said:
I think he is onto something. Google should really be selling this phone for $199 max unlocked. They are just ripping us off and I do not think we should take it!
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Google and LG are big companies; they should probably just give the phone away for free to build brand recognition and get us into the Android ecosystem. The divide between rich and poor widens!
So... I don't get it. You're saying that things being lower price is no excuse for being not as good as more expensive things? You do realize how backwards that is, right?
Price aside, the Nexus 5 can definitely compete with the high end phones you listed. Maybe not AS good, but definitely able to compete. It does everything I want it to do and more. If they had to skimp somewhere, I'm glad it was the speakerphone and not the CPU or screen or build quality or anything else that, in my opinion, are way more important.
[email protected] said:
Oh boy, another thread with something we haven't heard before.
Do you know how much it cost for them to make my blow dryer? I want to make sure I am getting my money's worth.
*BRB, need to give this thread the wonderful rating it deserves.
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Blow dryers. Nice. I am arguing for the sake of us as consumers and yet you argue that we should basically, "Not really worry about getting our moneys worth."
*BRB we have a badass senior member over here.
drew1204 said:
Blow dryers. Nice. I am arguing for the sake of us as consumers and yet you argue that we should basically, "Not really worry about getting our moneys worth."
*BRB we have a badass senior member over here.
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You're not arguing for my sake, I assure you. The speaker is satisfactory to my needs, and I speak very well for myself as a consumer (with my wallet, which is the only way businesses listen anyhow).
drew1204 said:
Blow dryers. Nice. I am arguing for the sake of us as consumers and yet you argue that we should basically, "Not really worry about getting our moneys worth."
*BRB we have a badass senior member over here.
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If you want to argue for our sake, call Google and tell them to reduce the price of the phone because we are not getting our money's worth. Then I will high five you. Until then, you are doing squat for us.
[email protected] said:
If you want to argue for our sake, call Google and tell them to reduce the price of the phone. Then I will like you again. Until then, you are doing squat for us.
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I am not saying that the cost of the phone is too expensive... that is not the point of the argument.
The point of the argument is that, "If Google is really all about getting 4.4 and android into the next billion customers, they should make the highest quality phones and perhaps think about selling them at or near cost to build and make profit from the play store instead."
They should charge $359 instead of 349 and give us a $10 better speaker.
The speaker and camera both destroy the speaker/camera that was found on my S3, so I'm more than happy.
Personally I would have gladly spent another $100 for a nexus phone with a better camera battery and speaker.
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I am not saying that the cost of the phone is too expensive... that is not the point of the argument.
The point of the argument is that, "If Google is really all about getting 4.4 and android into the next billion customers, they should make the highest quality phones and perhaps think about selling them at or near cost to build and make profit from the play store instead."
They should charge $359 instead of 349 and give us a $10 better speaker.
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Or they can put the best speaker on the planet in and charge us $600.
Very helpful.
UPS lost my nexus5, and I'm glad they did after reading the reviews.
aimetti said:
Personally I would have gladly spent another $100 for a nexus phone with a better camera battery and speaker.
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THIS is my point! So would have I. And the thing is I doubt Google / LG would have had to spend even close to $100 to get it done. Prices drop considerably when you're selling hundreds of thousands of these.
Lets say that Google is making $100 off of every $349 Nexus 5 (I know they aren't). Instead of raising the cost to $449 to include the better speakers to still make the same profit, they should keep the cost at or near $349 and sell the phones at or near cost to build and make profit from the play store instead.
Too early to believe, but Samsung Opera House(Bengaluru) has started taking blind prebooking for the Galaxy S21 series already as per THIS article.
Unsurprisingly India would get the Exynos 2100 SoC in this series and I just hope it performs on par with Snapdragon 888.
Why would they make the screen smaller for the s21 ultra than the existing one ? No one seems to have mentioned this.
yeah its only .100" smaller, too me that`s not a big thing for me, but the thing is it will have the LTPO display which I guess is supposed to give better contrast to black colors, also I`m not sure but i have heard talk of the fingerprint reader being 2x faster...... so well see, I`ll be ordering one in the unlocked in black the 512gb version
In the USA you can register for your S21 in the Samsung Shop app. Looks like you get an extra $70 store credit for registering. Can't wait to get the S21 ultra!
droidrev71 said:
In the USA you can register for your S21 in the Samsung Shop app. Looks like you get an extra $70 store credit for registering. Can't wait to get the S21 ultra!
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The thing I like about Samsung out here in India is that with perks of cashbacks & coupons(if prebooked) the pricing becomes eqivalent to the USA pricing(has been so far) ..
I'm finding the news [email protected] S21 series interesting too. Will get "Exynos" but highly it feels like it would be on par this time around, if not better, excluding the GPU.
I seriously hope the LTPO on the S21 series is far more superior to the one on Note 20U.
I had serious banding/green tint issues and a horrible battery drain problem due to it. The 60fps video recording also had hunting issues even with laser auto focus.
I'm back to S20U, the display feels a lot more stable and a long lasting battery.
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yeah its only .100" smaller, too me that`s not a big thing for me, but the thing is it will have the LTPO display which I guess is supposed to give better contrast to black colors, also I`m not sure but i have heard talk of the fingerprint reader being 2x faster...... so well see, I`ll be ordering one in the unlocked in black the 512gb version
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We're coming from S10+ getting the Ultra cause of the specs and my husband likes the camera features. It'll probably be to big for me but I am getting it. We won't upgrade for a while so I want the best of the bunch.
Do you think there will be any discounts with pricing if you don't trade in? I have a S9+ right now and am waffling back and forth between getting the S21 Ultra or getting a Note 20 Ultra ($800 thru work).
Have pre-reserved for S21 series because I thought we'd get the Buds Pro and Smart tag as preorder offers alongwith the free case. That is what the leakers had said a few days back but not it seems Buds Pro won't be part of the offer. Also coupled with missing charger and possible missing SD card and extra charges for SPen, will it be worth spending so much extra to sell my Note 20 U for the S21U?
P.S. The only reason I was willing to upgrade was because my Note 20 U is getting heated up a lot + because of the Exynos 2100 finally catching up to SD.
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Have pre-reserved for S21 series because I thought we'd get the Buds Pro and Smart tag as preorder offers alongwith the free case. That is what the leakers had said a few days back but not it seems Buds Pro won't be part of the offer. Also coupled with missing charger and possible missing SD card and extra charges for SPen, will it be worth spending so much extra to sell my Note 20 U for the S21U?
P.S. The only reason I was willing to upgrade was because my Note 20 U is getting heated up a lot + because of the Exynos 2100 finally catching up to SD.
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You got the VIP pass for the next Galaxy after you pre reserved it?
In India prebooking is of no use, last time for the Note 20U the cashback and freebies were offered even to customers who did not prebook and bought the phone well after the prebook purchase window. (craze for flagships in India are at an all time low, thanks to OnePlus and Samsung themselves).
Also the Note 20U was up in the corporate program with 5% discount in a matter of few days including the 9k cashback and freebies.
I will get the S21U only during the first week of Feb.
I'm expecting the price to be around 90k for S21U 256gig, anything more than that, I might as well wait for Z flip 2/3 later in April.
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You got the VIP pass for the next Galaxy after you pre reserved it?
In India prebooking is of no use, last time for the Note 20U the cashback and freebies were offered even to customers who did not prebook and bought the phone well after the prebook purchase window. (craze for flagships in India are at an all time low, thanks to OnePlus and Samsung themselves).
Also the Note 20U was up in the corporate program with 5% discount in a matter of few days including the 9k cashback and freebies.
I will get the S21U only during the first week of Feb.
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No I didn't get any VIP pass. Was I supposed to? If I don't like what I see tomorrow, I am going to just refund my ₹2000 and wait for Feb/March to buy it. The only thing keeping me from the flip/fold is that the camera is always a generation behind in these devices.
I for one, do no find these "pre-registering"(or any other name) hulabaloos fascinating at all given that it's a Samsung flagship.
Irrespective of card/cash or other payment methods, I've been getting Samsung flagships on the very 1st day of market release buying from small retailers for a much lower price than the price quoted by bigger retailers or the biggest retailers with a fixed price or buying directly from Samsung online or offline for quite sometime now. The cost everytime turns out to be the lowest this way in comparison to the cost combined with any other CC/DC cashbacks/corporate offers/exchange offers/finance schemes etc... you name it.
Samsung tends(or "pretends" to be precise) to be strict with such retailers but being consumers all we need is a genuinely sourced product and a proper invoice. It makes sense because once we want to sell it later, the resale value will not at all differ based on which store we bought it from.
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In my case, prebooking offers are always applicable in the first place as one or the other re-seller does pre-booking taking the required credentials after me getting bombarded with calls soon after official announcement of the flagship.
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I for one, do no find these "pre-registering"(or any other name) hulabaloos fascinating at all given that it's a Samsung flagship.
Irrespective of card/cash or other payment methods, I've been getting Samsung flagships on the very 1st day of market release buying from small retailers for a much lower price than the price quoted by bigger retailers or the biggest retailers with a fixed price or buying directly from Samsung online or offline for quite sometime now. The cost everytime turns out to be the lowest this way in comparison to the cost combined with any other CC/DC cashbacks/corporate offers/exchange offers/finance schemes etc... you name it.
Samsung tends(or "pretends" to be precise) to be strict with such retailers but being consumers all we need is a genuinely sourced product and a proper invoice. It makes sense because once we want to sell it later, the resale value will not at all differ based on which store we bought it from.
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In my case, prebooking offers are always applicable in the first place as one or the other re-seller does pre-booking taking the required credentials after me getting bombarded with calls soon after official announcement of the flagship.
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Smaller retailer like non Samsung but authorized dealers like Sangeetha Mobiles, Chroma, Reliance Digital?
By how much you get a discount on the selling price, I have never tried this as I always get it from the Samsung Cafe.
I kinda feel awkward asking for a discount in Samsung Cafes
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Smaller retailer like non Samsung but authorized dealers like Sangeetha Mobiles, Croma, Reliance Digital?
By how much you get a discount on the selling price, I have never tried this as I always get it from the Samsung Cafe.
I kinda feel awkward asking for a discount in Samsung Cafes
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No not those big formats, they don't as they don't need to and they can't either. Smart cafés can but they will not.
Instead, approach a few small multibrand players if you have time for it. They need flagship buyers to stay alive in the eyes of big brands for their own promotion/survival and to do so, they let go of it for extremely thin margins.
I happened to purchase two N20U units costing 90k each from two diff. sellers(when it was 1st released) - that's one example.
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No not those big formats, they don't as they don't need to and they can't either. Smart cafés can but they will not.
Instead, approach a few small multibrand players if you have time for it. They need flagship buyers to stay alive in the eyes of big brands for their own promotion/survival and to do so, they let go of it for extremely thin margins.
I happened to purchase two N20U units costing 90k each from two diff. sellers(when it was 1st released) - that's one example.
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Thank you...Will go out and look for such small time dealers tomorrow and establish a comfort zone before end of this month.
zaydenQ said:
No I didn't get any VIP pass. Was I supposed to? If I don't like what I see tomorrow, I am going to just refund my ₹2000 and wait for Feb/March to buy it. The only thing keeping me from the flip/fold is that the camera is always a generation behind in these devices.
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Thatz true, the cameras on the flip and fold were bad.
Since we do not have a Note 21 this year, hope flip and fold are equipped with better camera system.
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....... I always get it from the Samsung Cafe.
kinda feel awkward asking for a discount in Samsung Cafes
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AFAIK, Samsung smart cafe franchises actually get the highest profit margins for each product they sell compared to other resellers. And it's the marketing skills and subsequent illusions created by the staff that make one feel awkward to ask for a discount.... Nope? The one running the franchise CAN give big discounts, but doesn't want to. They actually ended up giving me discounts a few times in the past but then I stopped visiting them lately as altogether I don't find it worth it.
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AFAIK, Samsung smart cafe franchises actually get the highest profit margins for each product they sell compared to other resellers. And it's the marketing skills and subsequent illusions created by the staff that make one feel awkward to ask for a discount.... Nope? The one running the franchise CAN give big discounts, but doesn't want to. They actually ended up giving me discounts a few times in the past but then I stopped visiting them lately as altogether I don't find it worth it.
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I have shortlisted a few small time detailers, will visit them tomorrow...btw Amazon has already started selling S21plus/ultra cases. They also have a video which shows the phone in its entirety
ESR Metal Kickstand Case Compatible with Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 6.8-Inch 2021, Slim Silicone with Matte Finish Portrait and Landscape Stand Back Cover -Translucent Black : Amazon.in: Electronics
ESR Metal Kickstand Case Compatible with Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 6.8-Inch 2021, Slim Silicone with Matte Finish Portrait and Landscape Stand Back Cover -Translucent Black : Amazon.in: Electronics
www.amazon.in
No microsd card slot....pretty much I'm out of it. thank you Samsung