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anyone else flip phones on craigslist?

lol i do.
yesterday i needed some quick cash because of a move im doing and i was short on my energy bill...
so i put my sprint galaxy nexus on craigslist for sale/ trade.
last week i got it new in the box for 150. a deal to me for sure.
i got a bunch of crap offers but eventually someone offered me their epic 4g touch and 100 cash for the gnex.
so we met up at a sprint store and called customer care because the store cannot do active phone swaps and we both went home happy.
right away i listed the phone on craigslist, within a few hours i got a few offers, mostly junk but one was or seemed to be worth while.
a white iphone 4 8gb, with case and charger, even trade. so telling her i was interested i posted the white iphone up on craigslist also forsale/trade before i even had it. i got many offers, a few low balls (lol even 50 dollars with the excuse that its outdated and old and the new iphone will be out this month lol), then a 225.00 offer, a 200 dollar offer, you get the idea. i entertained them all, but one of the guys ended up changing their minds and made a even better offer, he retracted his 200 dollar offer and said he would trade me his mint condition epic 4g touch with case,charger and 100 cash... BINGO lol, i quickly accepted.
how could i loose, i met up with the girl at 615pm to do the swap for my epic touch for her iphone 4, after thats done i wait for the guy who comes at 7 and we call sprint all over again and do another swap, it all works out and i leave with another 100 in cash and the same phone i came in with lol.
so i was tainted with a apple phone for about 10 mins... Lol it wasn't that bad but the screen was hard to adjust to.
anyone else flip on craigs? needless to say i have my epic back up on CL for hopefully another trade or sale.
i already got my epic touch running jellybean and honestly its not too much different then my gnex minus the lte which i dont have yet and the HD screen which is noticeable to me.

Seems kind of immoral to me. It's like abusing Wal-Mart return policies to make a buck. You're using Craigslist outside of its intended use for profit. But you do what you gotta do to make the bills work: I personally would not make a habit of "flipping phones".

alpha-niner64 said:
Seems kind of immoral to me. It's like abusing Wal-Mart return policies to make a buck. You're using Craigslist outside of its intended use for profit. But you do what you gotta do to make the bills work: I personally would not make a habit of "flipping phones".
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lol immoral?
im using a public website that is made for buying,selling, and bartering.
thats exactly what im doing.
im not "abusing" or misusing anything, and its not a mega corporation where im scamming their return policies.
its a buy sell and trade website..
thats exactly what im doing.
in fact there are reality tv shows based on this same thing, that where they use outlets like craigslist, people do it with everything under the sun, from tvs, to cars.
im not ripping anyone off or telling people things that they arent.
im giving people what they want and im getting what i want.
exactly what the website is for.

When you start to talk about morality, you instantly are entering into a subjective paradigm in the philosophical/metaphysical sense. However, I do agree you're in a way taking advantage of peoples lack of knowledge on the tech you're trading. Is this immoral? Depends on how you define it. If both parties are happy and walk away from the deal feeling like their was an equitable exchange, then I personally don't think so. Ignorance is bliss I guess. Now, if you intentionally mislead the other party into believing they're getting a much better offer than they realize for your profit then yes this is, to me, immoral, but I don't think your doing this. It is the reason I believe the majority of advertisements and those working in the field are in some sense immoral, but this is getting off topic.
In short, I haven't done it and for me the amount of time and effort isn't worth the small return.

I didn't mean to imply you're ripping anyone off. I just find it interesting how one can make a buck nowadays. I stress the kind of part because I read about the iphone part and it boggles my mind how people are willing to pay so much for so little. I get that if the needs are met then it's fine. However it boggles me further how people can conclude the iphone 4 and the galaxy s2 phone is of equal value. Galaxy s2 clearly has better specs plus MIUI more than makes up for the iOS experience. I get that not everyone is gifted with our passion which is why I use the term "immoral" for someone who knowingly barters with this information in hand. But I do agree with l3lessed that if the girl is happy then that's what matters. Then I conclude that while the ends justifies the means this time, I wouldn't make a habit of this kind of business.
That said: I'm sure you can many people in the MP that has "flipped phone".

alpha-niner64 said:
I didn't mean to imply you're ripping anyone off. I just find it interesting how one can make a buck nowadays. I stress the kind of part because I read about the iphone part and it boggles my mind how people are willing to pay so much for so little. I get that if the needs are met then it's fine. However it boggles me further how people can conclude the iphone 4 and the galaxy s2 phone is of equal value. Galaxy s2 clearly has better specs plus MIUI more than makes up for the iOS experience. I get that not everyone is gifted with our passion which is why I use the term "immoral" for someone who knowingly barters with this information in hand. But I do agree with l3lessed that if the girl is happy then that's what matters. Then I conclude that while the ends justifies the means this time, I wouldn't make a habit of this kind of business.
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Ahh I see.
I was just short this month and this way its legal Lol
Everyone was happy. In fact all the deals I did were brought to me, made by the other party.
I agree the iPhone to me isn't worth much but as everyone can see they have a huge faithful following, enough so to dump more premium phones (in our eyes) in order to have one.
Locally regular iPhone 4 non s versions are still selling more than galaxy s2s.
Its mind boggling to me actually.
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I flip phones all the time. If i find a great deal then i will most definitely snatch it up. One thing I never do is low ball. I always offer them a fair price that's low enough for me to make a profit, yet sits well with conscience. Business on Craigslist is easy money if you can negotiate.
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I can't see the immorality in his actions. He's entertaining offers from others and not misrepresenting his goods. If anything, I'm impressed by the fact that youre arranging Craigslist deals in advance and juggling it all. You should get into stocks or futures or something and make real money with your talents.

It's not immoral, nothing wrong with it.
I have done that once or twice, it's how I get "new phones for free" but honestly it takes too much time/effort/driving and to me is not really worth it. I do it like once a year to upgrade my phone but that's about it. It's not a bad way to get a decent device though, just be willing to put up with all the BS that goes along with it.
I actually prefer the MP here for the most part, except for a few items that are overpriced here that I want to buy or underpriced (compared to local prices) that I want to sell.

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guthrien said:
I can't see the immorality in his actions. He's entertaining offers from others and not misrepresenting his goods. If anything, I'm impressed by the fact that youre arranging Craigslist deals in advance and juggling it all. You should get into stocks or futures or something and make real money with your talents.
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If I only knew where to begin.
I'm stuck at a dead end job for the last 8 years and live check to check.
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TeeJay3800 said:
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I apologize I thought I was in the off topic section.
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Damn, that's a really good idea. Never though of that. ;p

KayxGee1 said:
I flip phones all the time. If i find a great deal then i will most definitely snatch it up. One thing I never do is low ball. I always offer them a fair price that's low enough for me to make a profit, yet sits well with conscience. Business on Craigslist is easy money if you can negotiate.
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Exactly.
Low ballers make me sick,but that's just a part of Craigslist.
Its not hard to do,but can be time consuming and irritating when you run into tire kickers and people who bs.
Throughout all the years I've used Craigslist for everything under the sun, from TVs,to fish tanks,to cars,refrigerators and probably other things I can't recall. But I've never have had one bad experience, never been robbed or put into any bad situations.
You just have to be smart and smell a bad situation before it happens.
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intheb0x said:
Exactly.
Low ballers make me sick,but that's just a part of Craigslist.
Its not hard to do,but can be time consuming and irritating when you run into tire kickers and people who bs.
Throughout all the years I've used Craigslist for everything under the sun, from TVs,to fish tanks,to cars,refrigerators and probably other things I can't recall. But I've never have had one bad experience, never been robbed or put into any bad situations.
You just have to be smart and smell a bad situation before it happens.
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I've never been robbed either. Just very nice people looking to buy and sell items.
If they want quick cash and I'm willing to buy, so be it. I take the time to relist the item and sit on it for a few days, a week, hell I've sat on an item for 3 months! It's all about time and effort. Here in NJ, there are really good deals. Business is just business.
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alpha-niner64 said:
Seems kind of immoral to me. It's like abusing Wal-Mart return policies to make a buck. You're using Craigslist outside of its intended use for profit. But you do what you gotta do to make the bills work: I personally would not make a habit of "flipping phones".
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So you feel the same about people that flip houses, cars, etc? Essentially you hate capitalism? Supply & demand, etc?

I made money on craigslist this pass week. I just sold my GS3 for $400 (which I bought new for $440 on eBAY) and with the money I bought a white EVO LTE in mint condition for $225 which I sold on Ebay for $340 ($300 after fees and ship).
I list it on XDA http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1900703 but the memebers here are to cheap to even recognize a good deal.

shook187 said:
I made money on craigslist this pass week. I just sold my GS3 for $400 (which I bought new for $440 on eBAY) and with the money I bought a white EVO LTE in mint condition for $225 which I sold on Ebay for $340 ($300 after fees and ship).
I list it on XDA http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1900703 but the memebers here are to cheap to even recognize a good deal.
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Very nice.
I made some additional moves on Craigs list recently which I didn't post about.
I traded my gs2 for a white 16gb 4s which in return i traded for a new in the box black evo lte.
Sad to say I'm surprised that the resale value on these phones aren't higher, because the lte is not too much different than the gs3...
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I have for years!
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I think it depends on your local community. For me craigslist is a massive headache full of flakes and people wanting msrp for 2 year old used tech.
I can't even tell you how many times I've relied to ads and been ignored.
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LG eating itself alive with Nexus 4

Google and LG most likely make NO money from selling the Nexus 4 at the $299 pricepoint. The Nexus 4 is identical to the Optimus G, which is suppose to be LG's cash cow. Same proc, same screen. Tbe build actually looks nicer on the Nexus 4. The camera is a wash since the 13MP one sucks and the 8MP is identical on both. So literally the only difference is whether you want LTE or not. Is LTE (and a subjectively much uglier design) worth $200+ price premium for the Optimus G? The Nexus 4 also has pure Android which is also a big plus, So why is LG releasing the (much better) Nexus 4 at a no-profit price and undercutting their cash cow the Optimus G? They are barely making squat right now in the mobile phone space. This makes no business sense.

I'm pretty sure LG just builds the phone and gets paid for it, Google probably will sell it close to what they paid to get it built. So LG isn't losing money, Google is just breaking even or maybe barely losing.
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Improving their brand image while simultaneously getting their brand name out there?
While not entirely the same, you could argue that with the Galaxy Nexus, it was fighting with the S2 and a little bit of the S3.
Yet Samsung managed to really make their push during that time period. People have tons of horror stories when it comes to LG. If they play their cards right with these devices, they'll have a much brighter future.
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The Xiaomi Mi2 will also be selling at a loss ($310 vs a cost of $370), and has pretty much identical specs as the Nexus 4. I think they can manage to break even overall, especially with most sales going to the 16 GB version.

florelui001p said:
I'm pretty sure LG just builds the phone and gets paid for it, Google probably will sell it close to what they paid to get it built. So LG isn't losing money, Google is just breaking even or maybe barely losing.
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X2
Google pays for it, and then they sell it to us with expensive taxes via Google Play :B

I'm assuming LG developed the phone for a flat contract price to Google.
Google is likely making little to nothing on selling the price.
They are likely straight up buying marketshare for android and enticing people to buy into their ecosystem while they make money off apps, movies, tv shows, music, and ads.

datwunkid said:
I'm assuming LG developed the phone for a flat contract price to Google.
Google is likely making little to nothing on selling the price.
They are likely straight up buying marketshare for android and enticing people to buy into their ecosystem while they make money off apps, movies, tv shows, music, and ads.
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They sure are!
I will mostly likely be dropping the iPhone ecosystem for Android because of the Nexus 4 come November 13th. Eventually I will also convince others who rely on my smartphone knowledge on what to buy to get the Nexus 4. So it has done its job even if Google isn't making a profit off of the hardware. They will eventually make profit off of me from the Google Play content I (and many others I convince) purchase.
Excellent post datwunkid :good:

I think Google is taking the hit and selling it close to cost. You also have to factor in that the retail cost of some phones have carrier markup added in as well so that they can make some extra $$$ off people buying off contract. They're probably selling it close to cost and the Nexus line isn't really a big seller to begin with so nobody's really losing a boatload of money here. LG gets to have their name attached to what is looking to be an incredible Android phone (and DEAD SEXY!!!) which will get them back into the good graces of some of the Android fans out there. Also remember Google is an ad company - selling phones for profit isn't where they're making the lion's share of their money and while I'm sure they care somewhat about how well this device does, it'll barely have any effect on their bottom line.

Let's not kid ourselves. Google is definitely making money here. I know in the retail market, mark-up is routinely 1000%. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if LG can spit these phones out in mass production at $50 a unit or cheaper. Anybody that's had any experience in buying mass quantities knows that Google is making money.
When you see service providers selling phones out of contract for $600-$800, your seeing first hand the companies rape/screw the general public like they do best. Even when you buy a phone for a subsidized price from one of the big four, do you really think that are not still making money off the sale of the unit? Don't kid yourself...

giant22000 said:
Let's not kid ourselves. Google is definitely making money here. I know in the retail market, mark-up is routinely 1000%. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if LG can spit these phones out in mass production at $50 a unit or cheaper. Anybody that's had any experience in buying mass quantities knows that Google is making money.
When you see service providers selling phones out of contract for $600-$800, your seeing first hand the companies rape/screw the general public like they do best. Even when you buy a phone for a subsidized price from one of the big four, do you really think that are not still making money off the sale of the unit? Don't kid yourself...
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You ever look at any tear downs of phones? The parts on this phone are probably worth two hundred or so dollars, plus assembly, warranty claims, marketing. There will be a thin margin, but it will be there. I don't think many carriers will pick up the phone, so it will only really appeal to people who avoid contracts, anyway.
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It makes sense for LG to do it at little to no profit because releasing the phone would help their market and image in the long run if the phone is a success. Google is baking on the consumers to buy apps, books, music, and magazines from their store.

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I wouldn't be surprised one bit if LG can spit these phones out in mass production at $50 a unit or cheaper.
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Have you been drinking tonight by any chance? Your post has me curious :laugh:

Borteeo said:
You ever look at any tear downs of phones? The parts on this phone are probably worth two hundred or so dollars, plus assembly, warranty claims, marketing. There will be a thin margin, but it will be there. I don't think many carriers will pick up the phone, so it will only really appeal to people who avoid contracts, anyway.
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Think of it this way. When it comes to building a pc, you can't build one as cheap as you can buy one from one of the big boys. Plain and simple, they buy parts by the 1000's. These parts are heavily discounted at a contracted, negotiated price when bought this way.
I can assure that NO company is going to put forth the effort for a small profit margin. That's just how the corporate world works. If it doesn't make good/excellent profits, it's simply not worth the time or effort.

y would you complain about something like this though. the price is a good thing :good:

No complaining here! I'm totally stoked about it's price point. Best bang for the buck bar-none in my book! Can't wait to order...

I can assure that NO company is going to put forth the effort for a small profit margin. That's just how the corporate world works. If it doesn't make good/excellent profits, it's simply not worth the time or effort.
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Still I disagree about $50, there are actual documented break down of iPhone 4S hardware cost, is around $180, though the 5 is cheaper. Give the chinese slaves a break.
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Well here is the news Google partnered with lg because of the price as they are the only one who agreed to make phone at this price level. Its also get back lg to the market, despite their products are cool but their developers are sucks, lazy people wouldnt work on old devices to bring latest os so people like me promised won't buy lg product ever again, other company like Sony and Samsung refused Google to make smartphone with this spec for this price. But who cares about the partner as long as Google controls the os. I'm getting this as soon as it goes live for sale.
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Maybe Samsung doesn't want to create any more nexus phone just because of this. Their Galaxy S line and Note line will be ruined.
The same thing happens with the nexus 10, which is cheaper and FAR more specwise than note 10.1
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qreffie said:
I think Google is taking the hit and selling it close to cost.
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The iPhone 5 costs about 200$ (16gb I think). I don't think the Nexus will cost much more. So, Google will get money out of this
Google was earning money even with the 16gb a 249$

I you think it costs them that money to make a phone you are mistaken.
I have seen retail buy in prices for handsets in bulk, and those would raise your eye brows!
so manufacturing prices would be much less.

Does the bargain price of the Nexus 4 make it less exclusive??

I was talking to one of my buddies here at work who is also an Android Freak like myself and we were discussing about how Google and LG can sell such a device packing what it does for $299 or $349.
It's seems like it has really beautiful build quality also, while Samsung sells a plastic dual core S3 with half the RAM, lower resolution screen for double the price!
Don't get me wrong, I am both happy and sad that the phone is so damn cheap. Glad because it is so dirt cheap that I can buy it as a backup phone to my Note 2 and just not worry about it falling and breaking or whatever. Replacing just the LCD on my Note 2 would probably pay for the whole Nexus 4!
Sad because since it is so cheap, it almost gives me the impression that it's some kind of gophone, pay as you go device. You know, a disposable phone. Something any 13 year old who mows lawns on the weekends can afford. Also judging by the comments and anticipation in this forum, those are most likely the majority of buyers. 13 year old geeks. =)
To me the device lost something special, exclusivity.
When I first picked up my Note 2, everybody at work was in awe and were ready to go purchase one immediately.
Then I told them how much I paid, $690 off contract and they all had sticker shock. Only one other fella at my work has a Note 2 besides me now, and that's my boss. The device feels special to me.
I know this post seems a bit ridiculous, but that's something that is bugging me a little about the device. What do you guys think? A little something inside kinda wish Google priced this device similar to the Galaxy Nexus. I think it would have been more special to me. Am I crazy?

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Also judging by the comments and anticipation in this forum, those are most likely the majority of buyers. 13 year old geeks.
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Just because people are excited, you're assuming they're 13? Right...
... and imo, the price does not make it any less exclusive.

You could always buy two and strap them back-to-back for that "cachet" feel?
In any case, mainstream smartphones, like all technology, will always be getting less exclusive. If exclusivity is of import, the Tag Heuer Android phones look quite sharp, but probably will be behind on the OS curve...

Setting aside the ridiculousness of caring about exclusivity, your work colleagues likely got sticker-shock because they don't know much about the cellphone market. I'm sure they don't think of the iPhone as an "exclusive" device, and yet it's in the same range as the Note 2 off-contract. The Nexus 4 may not be a monetarily exclusive device, but it's still going to have limited sales due to the number of people who are informed enough about their options to pick one up.
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You could always buy two and strap them back-to-back for that "cachet" feel?
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Front-to-front. The back's the best-looking part, after all; and the part that displays the ever-important logos.

You should realize that there are people outside of XDA who don't even know that this phone exists.

You say less exclusive... I say more support.

How many people actually know what a Nexus phone even is? I don't know anyone who does. They don't really advertise and come to think of it, I've never seen anyone with a Nexus (any of them).

No, it makes it lighter on my wallet. I don't care how many other people have it as long as I do.

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To me the device lost something special, exclusivity.
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I don't agree.
[13 yr old comment]If you want to feel special, maybe get it from the TMo store or import it. [/13 yr old comment]
The price is being subsidized. Just making it easier to reach more people. This way el goog can make even more money with mobile ad revenue.

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You should realize that there are people outside of XDA who don't even know that this phone exists.
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Which is why we shouldn't worry about the phone being out of stock. Hopefully the stock outweighs the demand.

If having exclusivity means paying $1000 dollars, I'll take a less exclusive phone any day for $350

You think $500+ phones are exclusive? You'll find more Note 2s and iPhones than N4.
That said, the more the N4s out there, the more accessories there will be for it. And thats always a good thing.

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How many people actually know what a Nexus phone even is? I don't know anyone who does. They don't really advertise and come to think of it, I've never seen anyone with a Nexus (any of them).
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This. I only know one girl outside of XDA that even knows what the Nexus line is.
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Which is why we shouldn't worry about the phone being out of stock. Hopefully the stock outweighs the demand.
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Perhaps. Google may keep production low for the first wave after watching previous launches. There seems to be a lot of uncertainty about the popularity of this phone due to the lack of LTE, expandable storage, and maybe inadequate battery. Those of us looking to buy the phone can only hope that it is either not that popular or that Google didn't lower production.

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When I first picked up my Note 2, everybody at work was in awe and were ready to go purchase one immediately.
Then I told them how much I paid, $690 off contract and they all had sticker shock. Only one other fella at my work has a Note 2 besides me now, and that's my boss. The device feels special to me.
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You know what I got from reading this? That you need to feel special/better than your friends. That's no reason to jack up the price of a phone.

Tell you what, I'll buy mine, then sell it to you for $859.99, that'll really blow your colleagues out of the water! Or how about avoiding the faux pas of bragging about how much money you spent on a cell phone. Hell, if anything I'll be showing my friends this phone and telling them how cheap it was. Look at this thing, it's awesome, and cost half the price of your NoteII!

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Sad because since it is so cheap, it almost gives me the impression that it's some kind of gophone, pay as you go device. You know, a disposable phone. Something any 13 year old who mows lawns on the weekends can afford. Also judging by the comments and anticipation in this forum, those are most likely the majority of buyers. 13 year old geeks. =)
To me the device lost something special, exclusivity.
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I don't see anything wrong of a 13 year old can save up and purchase this device, it allows a younger audience to own a modern smartphone without the hefty price tag. Exclusivity to one type of group (in this case being age) isn't somthing company's want for their products, and if they lure in the younger users with the low price tag, that means more marketshare for them. The nexus 4 isn't a fashion item like more popular phones such as the iPhone, or even the galaxy s3, it's made for contract free or value plan customers who want a fast phone for a reasonable price.

Lol I think this thread should be closed. =/

Who cares? Does it matter if the phone is not as "exclusive" as you would like?
It's an amazing phone at a great price, it will further push the Android ecosystem.
If you want exclusive, stick with foreign imports of obscure devices.

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Lol I think this thread should be closed. =/
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I clicked the triangle thingy a while ago

bfspider said:
I clicked the triangle thingy a while ago
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XD I just did few minutes ago.

What's The Catch!

Can not for the life of me see how this phone is so cheap considering the specs and build quality. Anybody had any hands on experience with the phone find any flaws? If I get the money I'm almost definitely going to buy this. I just hope that the battery life and sound quality are decent as to me it just seems too cheap to be perfect. I also hate the snobbery from the iPhone users who have seen the price of this and think what a load of cheap garbage but I'd love for this to prove them wrong.

It's not that this phone is cheap, it's that unlocked phones are CRAZY overpriced.
There is no catch, Google wants to get consumers away from carrier control and push their Android ecosystem. Win/win for them.

sharpinator said:
Can not for the life of me see how this phone is so cheap considering the specs and build quality. Anybody had any hands on experience with the phone find any flaws? If I get the money I'm almost definitely going to buy this. I just hope that the battery life and sound quality are decent as to me it just seems too cheap to be perfect. I also hate the snobbery from the iPhone users who have seen the price of this and think what a load of cheap garbage but I'd love for this to prove them wrong.
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Search Nexus 4 reviews on Google, I'm sure you bound to find many advantages and disadvantages. Biggest ones to concern me is the glass back breaks easily and that storage wise you only get 8GB or 16GB. Not having LTE isn't a problem since I'm with T-Mobile.

They are probably only barely breaking even on the costs; phones like the Galaxy S III and the iPhone 5 have a unit cost much lower than their retail cost. Gotta make money somehow. I'm not sure what Google's motivations are with setting these prices, but they're not making a profit from them.

DanielBeaver said:
I'm not sure what Google's motivations are with setting these prices, but they're not making a profit from them.
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Probably pushing stock android and android development. Google isn't looking to get a profit on the phone, but they are looking to get a profit on what you do with the phone (aka: search).

DanielBeaver said:
They are probably only barely breaking even on the costs; phones like the Galaxy S III and the iPhone 5 have a unit cost much lower than their retail cost. Gotta make money somehow. I'm not sure what Google's motivations are with setting these prices, but they're not making a profit from them.
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That's very interesting Daniel. It kind of sounds like how Sony sold the ps3 at a much lower price than it should be sold. They were losing money to push blu ray so maybe google are selling a really "affordable" High end phone to push android that one step further than iPhone.

Its Google flexing a little, its all about market share so break even is fine. Im aliitle concerned about when motorola takes the lead, though that could be a year or two away. no complaints if they want to give me a break. Im on t-Mobile too so no big deal LTE.

The catch is they know you will buy apps. + you may be tempted to get one for other peeps in your life as they are cheap and its xmas time. These peeps, will also buy apps.
/shrug

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Search Nexus 4 reviews on Google, I'm sure you bound to find many advantages and disadvantages. Biggest ones to concern me is the glass back breaks easily and that storage wise you only get 8GB or 16GB. Not having LTE isn't a problem since I'm with T-Mobile.
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I suppose the glass breaking could be an issue but then again I treat my phones like the crown jewels so I doubt that would be a huge problem for me. Also being in the UK on three I get decent HSPA speeds so the lack of LTE or 4G is absolutely irrelevant to me and most of the UK. The faster phones processors are getting the faster web browsing is with 3g anyway so I'm not fussed for 4g at the moment.

Right, they want Android everywhere and this is how Android wins eventually..not to mention it costs them squat per phone to build..
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So it's a marketing ploy to really push android. I'm fine with that As long as they weren't sacrificing any quality with the phone. This is surely exciting. I hope I can get one as soon as possible. I'm a huge phone geek (well that's obvious being on XDA as we all are) and I've never seen anyone with a Nexus device in the UK so I think it will be great If people in the UK will start getting them. I've always been with sense so vanilla will be a completely new experience.

I came here immediately looking for posts that said that no LTE is the catch, didn't see any to my surprise

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I came here immediately looking for posts that said that no LTE is the catch, didn't see any to my surprise
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haha I'm so glad no one has said it. It barely matters to anyone outside of the US!

As great as this price is to get Android out into the world more, I just have a feeling that since the phone is only being sold on the play store for the (majority of people to buy) I am concerned that if they dont go all out on commercials (which they should of started with already IMO) then I have a feeling that they wont get many new people buying the phone.

sharpinator said:
Can not for the life of me see how this phone is so cheap considering the specs and build quality. Anybody had any hands on experience with the phone find any flaws? If I get the money I'm almost definitely going to buy this. I just hope that the battery life and sound quality are decent as to me it just seems too cheap to be perfect. I also hate the snobbery from the iPhone users who have seen the price of this and think what a load of cheap garbage but I'd love for this to prove them wrong.
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Not sure there's a catch. I don't like the glass back. Seems like they're copying Apple. I also don't ;like how you can't remove the battery. They wear out after a while.
I hope hope hope that they improved the camera. When the Galaxy Nexus was released, it was promised that it took pictures instantly. This was an improvement from my older Androids which used to take 2-5 seconds to focus and snap a pic. However, the camera on the Galaxy Nexus was weak as hell. Grainy and blurry in low light and only 5 MP..
Most likely, Google is making a limited profit with this device because they just want to get it out there.

tweaked said:
The catch is they know you will buy apps. + you may be tempted to get one for other peeps in your life as they are cheap and its xmas time. These peeps, will also buy apps.
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That's what I'm thinking. I'm sure the bulk of their profit from Android is based on the play store. Lower the cost of phones, get them in to the hands of more people, and in turn the people buy more apps from the play store. There's their profit:thumbup:
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Cost for making an iPhone 5 is $389.XX. Read it in the Time magazine. This may answer the question.

Its not marketing.. its just how they do money. Google is the second most profitable company in the world. And now of that was accomplished by selling hardware. Selling hardware at cost that boosts their income method is the best way to stay in "what they best". Plus it has some perks like happy customers, injected competition and market confidence.
On the other side of the medal, you have apple, the most profitable company in the world, that makes their money on high margin.
Both ways are legit ways to make money, but me, personally I prefer the half priced one

No, catch. Like what others have posted Google wants people using their ecosystem.
I think its great they are pricing it at cost probably, I'm sure there is profit but very little. I'm tiredof carriers and manufacturers raping customers with their crazy markups.
I've never had my phone battery go bad on me. The battery is easily accessible via 2 screws on bottom of phone, no biggie.
LTE is not really a deal breaker for me, I'm in las Vegas and get 14mbps on T-mobiles faux G.
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Guys, this is a $350 phone. UNLOCKED!

I don't start many opinion threads and I've been on this site a very long time.
However, I've been seeing lot of threads come up for the NEXUS 5, regarding it's QC, and maybe questionable components. So I'll chime in and offer some of my views, for what they're worth and you can go ahead do the same.
In this day and age, a $350 smartphone (Unlocked and with no contract) is a bargain, ESPECIALLY one as capable of the Nexus 5. You guys CANNOT forget that.
This is a device that can easily handle some of the devices costing twice as much. it's a powerhouse with very up to date specs for a price that is very low.
You're getting the latest in processing power as well as graphics. You're getting an excellent screen that's large, VERY bright, very sharp with accurate color reproduction. Yes your contrast might not be as ridiculous as the OLED screens but they both have ups and downs. but come on, you forget all the negatives when you think it's a $350 device. I do atleast.
Me personally, battery life is good for me, but if it's not for you, well again, it's good, not excellent. But if you got this battery life with a $700 device, you'd be upset but at $350...........how upsent can you possible be? not to mention it's one of the very few wireless charging devices with VERY fast charge times.
Camera is Good, not a ground breaker but trust me....it's much better than other sub $350 retail phones. Compared to them, it's a gold mine of a camera.
Not to mention the software...it has the latest and during it's cycle will always be the first to have the latest.
wait....did I mention it's a $350 phone? Think about alll the feature it has at $350....... then see if you complain about the little "button rattle" you have.... which you only discovered because someone else did...... come on now..
It's one helluva a device, and if you take price into account....GOD DAMN, It's a bargain of the decade (Till the next nexus ).
your thoughts?

It's a bargain no doubt. If you don't mind the cut corners in battery, speakers and camera and value latest software very highly then it's the right device for you.
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MohJee said:
It's a bargain no doubt. If you don't mind the cut corners in battery, speakers and camera and value latest software very highly then it's the right device for you.
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Of course, that's why it's a $350 phone, not a $650 phone
But given the choice of nexus 5 at $350 and a Galaxy s4 at $600.................I just couldn't justify the extra $250 for the GS4...that's me. ..... and I own both lol.

I still think it is pretty crazy what they managed to pack into a $350 phone.
I just think these people are whingers. If they weren't whinging about this, they would have something else to whinge about.

I'm not one to complain. I've just sold my HTC One and bought this. But in the UK and a lot of other countries we are paying $560 for this phone.
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It's a great bargain no doubt, it's just that discovering hidden flaws in a product is never pleasant, regardless of the price.
Also they try to make it pass for a no-compromise product, which inevitably sets people up for disappointment. If they just came out and said "hey, this is just a decent phone, not perfect, but the price is amazing guys" then it would be different, expectations would be different I think.
They're the one inviting comparison with $700 devices by marketing it as they do.

n19htmare said:
I don't start many opinion threads and I've been on this site a very long time.
However, I've been seeing lot of threads come up for the NEXUS 5, regarding it's QC, and maybe questionable components. So I'll chime in and offer some of my views, for what they're worth and you can go ahead do the same.
In this day and age, a $350 smartphone (Unlocked and with no contract) is a bargain, ESPECIALLY one as capable of the Nexus 5. You guys CANNOT forget that.
This is a device that can easily handle some of the devices costing twice as much. it's a powerhouse with very up to date specs for a price that is very low.
You're getting the latest in processing power as well as graphics. You're getting an excellent screen that's large, VERY bright, very sharp with accurate color reproduction. Yes your contrast might not be as ridiculous as the OLED screens but they both have ups and downs. but come on, you forget all the negatives when you think it's a $350 device. I do atleast.
Me personally, battery life is good for me, but if it's not for you, well again, it's good, not excellent. But if you got this battery life with a $700 device, you'd be upset but at $350...........how upsent can you possible be? not to mention it's one of the very few wireless charging devices with VERY fast charge times.
Camera is Good, not a ground breaker but trust me....it's much better than other sub $350 retail phones. Compared to them, it's a gold mine of a camera.
Not to mention the software...it has the latest and during it's cycle will always be the first to have the latest.
wait....did I mention it's a $350 phone? Think about alll the feature it has at $350....... then see if you complain about the little "button rattle" you have.... which you only discovered because someone else did...... come on now..
It's one helluva a device, and if you take price into account....GOD DAMN, It's a bargain of the decade (Till the next nexus ).
your thoughts?
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And what is wrong with the battery? Stock, my battery life has been very good so far.
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air2k57 said:
And what is wrong with the battery? Stock, my battery life has been very good so far.
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Posts like this is what causes contention among people. I think most people understand it's basically a steal for what you get at this price, but when you have people who act like the phone is flawless it's highly annoying. The nexus 5 is a great phone but the battery life definitely isn't one of it's strengths. Battery life is average on this phone, if you think it's great(or great with tweaks) try out other phones and you'd reconsider your definition of great.

I'm assuming the Nexus program was an intention of to show what Google can bring to the platform through software and not hardware.. Well then.. can Google make another program where hardware matters and listen to the community of what they want without cutting corners? I'll pay for that.

I have yet to see anyone acknowledge the feet accomplished by Google. Let's look at the problem space here. We need to build a phone with a good camera. Has latest hardware specs. Performs well with new operating system as it will be a hallmark device for it. Works on major carriers. Has LTE support. Work internationally. Has international LTE support. Supports both gsm and cdma. Oh and let's not forget it needs to be half the cost of all other flagship phones! Come on people there is only one other company that is even comings close to accomplishing such feet's and that xoimi. And for now they are only China based handsets. So let's give some props where props are due. I just got my bad boy today and I am in love with it!
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Many of you talk like Google Play supported countries are the only countries in the world. In many countries in Asia the Nexus 5 will cost just as much as the S4 and Htc One. In that case, it is unreasonable to see these issues in such an expensive phone. I may still buy it because of the development but please don't say that there had to be corners cut for the cheap price when in the majority of the world the phone is being sold for the equivalent of other high end phones.

shoco said:
It's a great bargain no doubt, it's just that discovering hidden flaws in a product is never pleasant, regardless of the price.
Also they try to make it pass for a no-compromise product, which inevitably sets people up for disappointment. If they just came out and said "hey, this is just a decent phone, not perfect, but the price is amazing guys" then it would be different, expectations would be different I think.
They're the one inviting comparison with $700 devices by marketing it as they do.
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I'm sorry but what do you mean by "they try to make it pass for a no-compromise product"? Who exactly are "they"?
From my understanding, the product was launched WITHOUT any fanfare. It just mysteriously one day popped up on Google Play store.
If by "they", you mean the Tech Media and their "rumors" and leaks..... then yes, that's what they do. but the manufacturer and seller of this product never set any expectations, we set them as consumers from what we were fed by the tech media.
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And what is wrong with the battery? Stock, my battery life has been very good so far.
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If you read what I said, I also said it's been good for me. Not sure about your question.
cas8180 said:
I have yet to see anyone acknowledge the feet accomplished by Google. Let's look at the problem space here. We need to build a phone with a good camera. Has latest hardware specs. Performs well with new operating system as it will be a hallmark device for it. Works on major carriers. Has LTE support. Work internationally. Has international LTE support. Supports both gsm and cdma. Oh and let's not forget it needs to be half the cost of all other flagship phones! Come on people there is only one other company that is even comings close to accomplishing such feet's and that xoimi. And for now they are only China based handsets. So let's give some props where props are due. I just got my bad boy today and I am in love with it!
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pretty much.
Lastest in processing, graphics, bluetooth, radio chipset, NFC, wireless charging (Very few phones support this), excellent software, a rather well built device, great screen, acceptable battery life, acceptable camera...... and to package it all in a $350 price tag...it's no small feat indeed. I think the more we take THAT into account, we can begin to appreciate the $350 price tag.
darkgoon3r96 said:
Many of you talk like Google Play supported countries are the only countries in the world. In many countries in Asia the Nexus 5 will cost just as much as the S4 and Htc One. In that case, it is unreasonable to see these issues in such an expensive phone. I may still buy it because of the development but please don't say that there had to be corners cut for the cheap price when in the majority of the world the phone is being sold for the equivalent of other high end phones.
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unfortunately, there are other economic factors that play into the pricing here when involving other countries that just out of Google's hands. Customs, taxation, economic conditions all play a role in it....... just things that can't be controlled in all cases.

n19htmare said:
unfortunately, there are other economic factors that play into the pricing here when involving other countries that just out of Google's hands. Customs, taxation, economic conditions all play a role in it....... just things that can't be controlled in all cases.
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Yes but in my case it is completely reasonable for me to moan about low QC, battery, speakers, and camera when I paid full price. Of course I won't be doing that because the nexus 5 is awesome for the most part.

avocco said:
I'm not one to complain. I've just sold my HTC One and bought this. But in the UK and a lot of other countries we are paying $560 for this phone.
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You did ??!!! Really ??
But why ?
Are you satisfied ?? Please put up your thoughts
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And what is wrong with the battery? Stock, my battery life has been very good so far.
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Say how good ?
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I certainly wouldn't trade a working HTC One or Note 3 for one as some have suggested. Not even a G2. But for those who need a new phone on their own dollar there is no other choice.

My phone is perfect in every way not one defect. Best phone i have owned. Coming from a s3
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It's not only hardware. It's also this f****** closed source cpu drivers with Samsung, (exynos), the considerable delay to have version updates with correct sources and so on. A lot of major companies tend to turn like Apple. (See Knox, region simlock and so on)
Google is not a charity foundation neither, but at least our devs have less pain to bring us good roms.

Yeah 350 for you guys in the states, I got mine at 520 in asia
Life is not fair

12 hours usage so far today, battery is at 73%. Spent about an hour streaming music over wifi at the gym. About 1 hour of sporadic screen on time. Pretty happy with the battery.
What people forget is that when they get a new phone they tend to spend much more time than usual installing new apps, testing things out. The battery ran out on me and I started to agree with you all... until i realised i had installed 80 apps and played 3 different games for 4 hours of screen on time. (add on top of this all the stuff going on in the back ground setting things up).

Its a nexus device I guess aim toward developer so they can build better apps and stuff. The regular Betty and Nancy can love along lol
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