I bought a Moto X recently and I intend on rooting. Will rooting break Google Wallet? and would rooting make it less secure?
Also, after rooting can I encrypt the phone without breaking anything?
Thanks
It won't break wallet, and I don't think it will affect the app's security. Rooting only affects your local R/W privileges as far as I know. I can't speak from personal experience regarding encryption, but I can't imagine it would affect that feature either.
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It seems to me that the carriers are the one who push the phone manufacturers to lock down their phones so tightly. What is it that we can do with our phones, other than say get free WiFi tethering, that would be so bad for the carriers if they were more easily modifiable?
Is the problem with the added cost of having to have reps to deal with the myriad things that can go wrong if a device is more easily modifiable?
Or is there something dangerous to the network that you could do if you can modify the device?
Why is it so terrible to the carriers for us to be able to mod our devices?
The simplest answer I can think of is people who root their device and install custom roms and such have a bigger risk of bricking the phone. These things void the warranty, but in many cases people can get their phone to appear to have been unmodified. So now they have to pay to replace the users phone who technically voided their warranty but are able to put it back in a way where it looks like it was never voided.
Another potential reason is that carriers put things on their phone in an attempt to get you to sign up for more of their services, but with rooting you can remove or replace any of these services without them being able to "market" it to you. Think VZ Navigator. Verizon wants customers to pay them to use their navigation software, even if it is super stupid to use it considering Google maps and navigation is free. If you root you can remove VZ Navigator from the device completely. I think this specific argument is a bit dumb, but the best I can come up with at the moment.
One more, there maybe many noob users who root their devices and create big problems by doing so. Carriers do not want to have to devote technical support resources to customers who screw up their device through mistakes caused by them rooting it. If they publicly say they allow rooting, they give people the okay to contact their tech support teams for mistakes the user made. Rather than add that cost and hassle, easier to try to prevent noobs from doing it.
yes, those reasons all seem to make sense! It's all about money.
An additional reason I can think of is that many users who root their devices do so to install custom ROMs, which often extend the useful life of the device, allowing users to delay or forego the purchase of a new device from the carrier. But I really think the primary reasons are as stated above - the increased support required for modified devices, and the ability of modified devices to access paid services (i.e. tethering) without paying an additional fee every month.
The support issue is easily remedied by Motorola's approach of unlocking the boot loader via their web site - it's easy to do, but they have a record of it being done, so the warranty is void and there's no support burden for the (potentially) modified device.
So I've been looking at this phone as my next device and I'm kinda worried about jumping onto a "vzw flagship" device. I like the specs of this device and it's size but being a moto device and no root exploit I'm having a hard time pulling the trigger. Would anybody care to chime in and give me some of the real world pros and cons. I'm coming from a S3 that's been rooted and rom'd since day 1 and have a bad habit of crack flashing.
I also have a question about root access on this device. Why wouldn't towelroot work to gain root.
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So I've been looking at this phone as my next device and I'm kinda worried about jumping onto a "vzw flagship" device. I like the specs of this device and it's size but being a moto device and no root exploit I'm having a hard time pulling the trigger. Would anybody care to chime in and give me some of the real world pros and cons. I'm coming from a S3 that's been rooted and rom'd since day 1 and have a bad habit of crack flashing.
I also have a question about root access on this device. Why wouldn't towelroot work to gain root.
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For the towelroot question. Check out Towelroot.com
Currently the droid turbo device is locked, and I personally feel we wont see any root until after lollipop has been released to us. Bootloader i feel will never happen, but then again I been surprised before.
We'll never see a true bootloader unlock. I'm still waiting for that on my old droid X. Never gonna happen. I'm not to concerned about finding root as long as theirs a way to remove the apps Verizon loads it up with.
If you want root, don't buy a phone without a root exploit. Taking the chance on a non-exploited phone and expecting something to happen is silly. If you don't care about root, this is the best device you can buy from Verizon.
cloned/idiot said:
We'll never see a true bootloader unlock. I'm still waiting for that on my old droid X. Never gonna happen. I'm not to concerned about finding root as long as theirs a way to remove the apps Verizon loads it up with.
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Sunshine app I believe will actually do that for u
So for the past few weeks I have been debating whether I should root my device or not. The only thing holding me back is the T-Mobile Jump program, Samsung Pay, and other key features.
T-Mobile staff on their forums have claimed that rooting your device, then sending it in for a jump upgrade will require you to pay a insurance deductible fee. However knowing T-Mobile, and past experiences from people here at XDA; I doubt T-Mobile cares that much and allows you to do the upgrade as long as the phone is working.
Samsung Pay and other key features were also holding me back, as I've heard rumours of rooting your device may cause Samsung Pay to be unusable due to KNOX being tripped. However my want of rooting my device has led me to not care that much of this feature, and go on to continue to root my device.
Now here is my main question, I've read about key features such as private mode being disabled due to KNOX being tripped. Is this true? If it's not true with private mode, is it true with other key features in the phone? If someone could help me out with getting those two questions answered, I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance for those who spent their time reading this, and for those who responded!
Every device I've ever sent back to T-Mobile has been rooted and ROMd and I've never heard a word from them. I don't even bother putting them back to factory state. I don't think anyone can answer the Samsung Pay question because it isn't out yet. Me personally, I don't care, I find it just as much as a hassle to dig my phone out vs my wallet so I'd rather have the control and customizability that rooting offers.
0dBu said:
Every device I've ever sent back to T-Mobile has been rooted and ROMd and I've never heard a word from them. I don't even bother putting them back to factory state. I don't think anyone can answer the Samsung Pay question because it isn't out yet. Me personally, I don't care, I find it just as much as a hassle to dig my phone out vs my wallet so I'd rather have the control and customizability that rooting offers.
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Yeah glad to hear T-Mobile doesn't do much if the phone is rooted. Do you know whether rooting your phone allows you to still use private mode, and the fingerprint reader with knox tripped?
Fingerprint scanner works fine, I have no use for private mode so I haven't really checked it out.
Hello guys. Recently i joined note 8 forums from note 3.
I have 950f with dual sim. I can choose to oem unlock. But i have galaxy care and guarantee of the phone. I want to root to add apps for camera modding and etc. So I'm afraid of rooting to change the agreenment of care and other stuff. If i root i change the agreenment?
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Instantly voids your warranty. I mean don't you already know that? Just saying.
If afraid of rooting, DO NOT DO IT, and about warranty, depends of your contry/carrier polocies, in Mexico rooting does not void warranty at least claiming it with the biggest carrier telcel
rooting will also void usage of Samsung Pay.
It will trip Knox and you'll lose secure folder forever too
There is no compelling reason to root today. From themes to ad blocking, there is a solid non-root solution available. The reasons to avoid root like warranty and Samsung Pay are pretty big. IMO, stay away from root. Your money tho.
Yes you can. Root and enjoy
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Yes you can. Root and enjoy
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That's bad advice since OP is worried about voiding warranty and losing functionality...read post 1.
If you have any bit of desire to maintain warranty coverage you just simply stay away from the topic of rooting. End of. Any stink of warranty stuff, rooting is a no go.
When you root, you trip the knox counter, there is no way back, even if you unroot and return fully stock. The knox counter stays tripped which means you'll lose Samsung Pay and Secure Folder forever.
You gain features and functionality with root, however. Native automatic call recording, ad-blocking (not just in the browsers), Titanium Backup, Full system Backup, AFWall+ (blocking internet access to specific apps)... etc.
So it is up to you to decide whether it is worth it or not.
Hello XDA developers and and users,
I just signed up and this is my first post.
Anyway I was wondering if I can root my S21 Ultra without voiding warranty and losing knox.... just in case I wanted to uninstall root and still have my warranty and knox services.
Sorry for too many tags.
Welcome to XDA
There's that pesky little efuse that protects Knox's integrity... once blown the mobo or that chipset needs to be replaced.
Sammy will do it for $400 apparently, according to one member here who did what you're thinking of doing. Get to know it a bit first...
Samsung S lover said:
Hello XDA developers and and users,
I just signed up and this is my first post.
Anyway I was wondering if I can root my S21 Ultra without voiding warranty and losing knox.... just in case I wanted to uninstall root and still have my warranty and knox services.
Sorry for too many tags.
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Hi. Welcome to XDA.
No, rooting the S21 ultra is not possible without tripping Knox and voiding warranty.
You could root it , use it for a year or two and then trade it in. I've traded in four so far with no issues.
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You could root it , use it for a year or two and then trade it in. I've traded in four so far with no issues.
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Except for the warranty issue. Sammy will likely charge you for the blown efuse -if- the choose to repair it. It's a $400 fuse
blackhawk said:
Except for the warranty issue. Sammy will likely charge you for the blown efuse -if- the choose to repair it. It's a $400 fuse
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True, they most likely won't even touch it for repair if it's rooted.
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True, they most likely won't even touch it for repair if it's rooted.
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One member recently had their display die and Samsung did replace it but charged them for a new mobo because of the blown efuse.
Samsung is pretty much silently admitting there's a display issue on some of these units.
If the 3rd party firmware fried the display he lucked out because the display was from a known bad batch. Samsung can only determine this many times by direct inspection, not remotely.
Samsung usually doesn't do warranty repairs on rooted phones, right?
Interesting, isn't it? It doesn't give you a warm cozy feeling though about Samsung though
blackhawk said:
One member recently had their display die and Samsung did replace it but charged them for a new mobo because of the blown efuse.
Samsung is pretty much silently admitting there's a display issue on some of these units.
If the 3rd party firmware fried the display he lucked out because the display was from a known bad batch. Samsung can only determine this many times by direct inspection, not remotely.
Samsung usually doesn't do warranty repairs on rooted phones, right?
Interesting, isn't it? It doesn't give you a warm cozy feeling though about Samsung though
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Yup sounds like a money grab to me.
Misterxtc said:
Yup sounds like a money grab to me.
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The problem being the phone was rooted. Better have deep pockets if you want to root a new flagship Samsung device.
Basically Samsung returned it to factory specs and charged to repair the "damage" caused by rooting.
I hate knox... it serves me no purpose like the little tard bixby.
Lame Samsung security
Samsung S lover said:
Hello XDA developers and and users,
I just signed up and this is my first post.
Anyway I was wondering if I can root my S21 Ultra without voiding warranty and losing knox.... just in case I wanted to uninstall root and still have my warranty and knox services.
Sorry for too many tags.
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Knox services and factory warranty aren't the only casualties when you root a Galaxy device. Also it depends on how you root a device, that's assuming your device can even be BL unlocked. Many users end up with a very expensive paper weight as bricking the phone isn't uncommon. You'll lose Secure Folder, Samsung Pay, Health. OTA Updates can be restored if you flash the original FW via Odin. A number of apps can also be made unusable after root. I would weight these considerations beforehand as there are a number of apps which will customize your device without tripping the BL.
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varcor said:
Knox services and factory warranty aren't the only casualties when you root a Galaxy device. Also it depends on how you root a device and if the device can even be BL unlocked. Many users end up with a very expensive paper weight as bricking the phone isn't uncommon. You'll lose Secure Folder, Samsung Pay, Health. OTA Updates can be restored if you flash the original FW via Odin. A number of apps can also be made unusable after root. I would weight these considerations beforehand as there are a number of apps which will customize your device without tripping the BL.
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The potential to brick the phone should weigh heavily in one's decision to root especially on a expensive flagship device.
Just read all the " Help!!! I bricked my device" threads posted here. Lots of pretty paperweights...
Losing the factory warranty on the display and mobo are a big deal. Both are expensive and hard to repair.
OTA updates break phones too
It's the first apk I package block.
Those other apks I never use but each person is different and if your needs change... you don't want to find yourself painted in a corner with paint that never dries.
The stock Samsungs can generally be configured to run very well without rooting. More than one way to skin this cat...
blackhawk said:
Welcome to XDA
There's that pesky little efuse that protects Knox's integrity... once blown the mobo or that chipset needs to be replaced.
Sammy will do it for $400 apparently, according to one member here who did what you're thinking of doing. Get to know it a bit first...
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Thank you so much for replying and for your advice and information, I really appreciate. Thank you again
enigmaamit said:
Hi. Welcome to XDA.
No, rooting the S21 ultra is not possible without tripping Knox and voiding warranty.
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Thanks for your welcoming, I have my phone through a carrier. If I succeed and root and then decide to unroot can I still lose that warranty even though I want be going to Samsung to fix it ?
Misterxtc said:
You could root it , use it for a year or two and then trade it in. I've traded in four so far with no issues.
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I have my phone through a carrier and it's on upgrade and protect which is whenever a new one comes out I get to replace it with the existing credit.
varcor said:
Knox services and factory warranty aren't the only casualties when you root a Galaxy device. Also it depends on how you root a device, that's assuming your device can even be BL unlocked. Many users end up with a very expensive paper weight as bricking the phone isn't uncommon. You'll lose Secure Folder, Samsung Pay, Health. OTA Updates can be restored if you flash the original FW via Odin. A number of apps can also be made unusable after root. I would weight these considerations beforehand as there are a number of apps which will customize your device without tripping the BL.
[TOOL] ADB AppControl 1.8.0 š Ultimate App Manager & Debloat Tool + Tweaks
ADB AppControl š Root is not required. Works with any Android device. Can do almost everything you dreamed about with applications. ADB AppControl - the desktop program, that will allow you to easily manage applications on your android device...
forum.xda-developers.com
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Thank you for your long answe as it had so many new information to me.
I don't usually use any of these apps because I replace most of them with Google pay and anthid fitness apps, while on the other hand for apps services like find my mobile and secure folder.. there are many alternatives .
I'll wait to see what the S22 Ultra will bring to see if I should root my phone.
Thank again, really appreciate your answer
Samsung S lover said:
I have my phone through a carrier and it's on upgrade and protect which is whenever a new one comes out I get to replace it with the existing credit.
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You're out of luck then because you can't revert knox. I just did it through Samsung credit and they don't seem to care but the warranty is still void either way if it's rooted.
Samsung S lover said:
Thanks for your welcoming, I have my phone through a carrier. If I succeed and root and then decide to unroot can I still lose that warranty even though I want be going to Samsung to fix it ?
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Doesn't matter if you unroot later. Once you root and trip the Knox flag, it is irreversible. It's not a software flag, it's a hardware flag called an e-fuse. Once blown, it stays blown. Whatever you do with the phone after that to restore back to stock, it will stay voided. Knox related stuff will never work again unless you change your motherboard.
I think it is possible
Could you elaborate please?
enigmaamit said:
Could you elaborate please?
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All the elaboration you need has already been said. If you want more assurance that this is not possible do a search for reset knox and see for yourself. This is just one thread of many and it was started in 2013... not trying to be a jerk but this horse is dead.