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OK, I have seen lots of threads about people returning or replacing rooted phones, and getting literally RAGED at by this community, so I am personally wondering, what is seen as wrong as right? I am not trying to start a post war, I am just honestly wondering... here is what it seems to be from what I have read.
If Not Rooted
*warranty covers failure, but not drops/spills etc.
*Covers spills/drops only if you pay extra for insurance, and u replace through insurance.
IF ROOTED/MODDED in any way
*Normal WARRANTY VOID FROM EVERYTHING
*IF you have insurance, AND you go through INSURANCE for replacement and pay, then it is OK as you pay for the service.
Correct here or not?
If not rooted.. correct points..
If rooted.. point 1 is correct... point 2.. you would have to look at the insurance TnC
ddggttff3 said:
OK, I have seen lots of threads about people returning or replacing rooted phones, and getting literally RAGED at by this community, so I am personally wondering, what is seen as wrong as right? I am not trying to start a post war, I am just honestly wondering... here is what it seems to be from what I have read.
If Not Rooted
*warranty covers failure, but not drops/spills etc.
*Covers spills/drops only if you pay extra for insurance, and u replace through insurance.
IF ROOTED/MODDED in any way
*Normal WARRANTY VOID FROM EVERYTHING
*IF you have insurance, AND you go through INSURANCE for replacement and pay, then it is OK as you pay for the service.
Correct here or not?
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I think this is an excellent thread and a much needed discussion.
If you root and flash anything to your phone at all, you have voided your warranty and should take responsibility for the consequences.
I have never had insurance, but my understanding of full coverage is that it has no restrictions. You are paying both a monthly premium plus a very high deductible for a replacement phone and you can throw it under a bus if you want to.
That seems perfectly reasonable to me...
Here's the deal, you should not expect your manufacturer or service provider to replace the phone you ****ed up by tinkering with it, this is what many people have done and it's called fraud, it's also a major reason why OEMs are starting to lock them down tight (along with people getting free tethering). If, however, you rooted and are having issues with the phones that are plain bugs with the stock software than you have every right to restore it and request a replacement. If you hack your phone up and screw up the boot process it is your fault and you need to take the hit. In most cases the phone can be recovered anyways, people are just too quick to assume it's "bricked" and don't know what they're doing.
If you pay extra for insurance then I suppose you have the right to use it but I still think it's not very moral, the insurance is supposed to cover accidental damage or loss, not failure due to hacking. It's kind of like when people drop their phones in toilets on purpose or they magically 'get lost' or 'stolen' so they can get a different phone.
Since these smart phones are just mini computers has anyone considered how computer manufacturers warranty their products?
If i give myself administrator access, or install a clean OS, or install linux, it doesn't void my warranty.
Now if something I did caused a hardware failure (ie overclocking the processor) than obviously the warranty FOR THAT PART is null and void. But not the warranty on the ram or hard drive.
I look at rooting and roming the same way. BUT I also know how to recover from my mistakes and will only do a restore/replacement through warranty channels if its hardware related.
If you mess around and dont know what you're doing, that's a different story.
ddggttff3 said:
OK, I have seen lots of threads about people returning or replacing rooted phones, and getting literally RAGED at by this community, so I am personally wondering, what is seen as wrong as right? I am not trying to start a post war, I am just honestly wondering... here is what it seems to be from what I have read.
If Not Rooted
*warranty covers failure, but not drops/spills etc.
*Covers spills/drops only if you pay extra for insurance, and u replace through insurance.
IF ROOTED/MODDED in any way
*Normal WARRANTY VOID FROM EVERYTHING
*IF you have insurance, AND you go through INSURANCE for replacement and pay, then it is OK as you pay for the service.
Correct here or not?
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This seems spot on to me.
"If you root and flash anything to your phone at all, you have voided your warranty and should take responsibility for the consequences."
"Here's the deal, you should not expect your manufacturer or service provider to replace the phone you ****ed up by tinkering with it, this is what many people have done and it's called fraud, it's also a major reason why OEMs are starting to lock them down tight (along with people getting free tethering)."
Nothing I did injured the phone or software. To back up your apps and SETTINGs correctly, you need root. I bought the phone with a data connection issue and a rebooting issue, I didn't create them. If Moto and Verizon aren't going to push software to repair these issues, I have the right to do it with a leaked file. If they don't want the return phones, release the OS's without all the verifications.
I purchased a phone that workes as advertised per MY contract and I didn't receive that.
As for the tether issue, Verizon shouldn't have the right to control how you use data plan, especially if it's capped.
It wouldn't surprise me if alot of the haters are Verizon employees. They lurked everywhere on Crackberry when I was still using my BB and running hybrids.
Unless I run software that melts the inside of my phone how is it really voiding the warrnty? Seriously, any software problem we create could be easily fixed with the properly released software.
You give me a phone that works all the time and ill stop messing with it. Verizon doesn't care about incovincing you, why would I care if I cause them trouble by tampering with my phone and then exchanging it, when they can easily release the software so I can fix it myself?
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I'm not a lawyer so take this with a grain of salt but the "voided warranty" issue can be looked at in the framework of cars. I believe there is a law that says a warranty on one part of the car can't be considered void because of some other alteration. For example if you get an aftermarket exhaust and then a week later your transmission bites the dust the manufacturer can't say that the exhaust you put on caused a problem with the transmission so they therefore must honor the warranty on the transmission. So if you root your phone, put a new ROM on it, and then your display goes out then in theory, the law should say they still have to honor the warranty because the software change didn't cause the display to fail. Anything else is on you. So, if you are dissatisfied with any aspect of the performance of the stock phone which leads you flash something that you are equally dissatisfied with then legally you have given up your right to complain even if the same problem existed with the stock phone. Morally, I might argue that if the problem existed from the onset and it continued to exist after the flash then you only tried to mitigate the original problem so in certain circumstances you might be justified in returning. If you flash something that causes FCs, or some other new problem then that is squarely on you.
The insurance question isn't a question either morally or legally. I don't believe there are any insurance policies that take into account software tinkering so you shouldn't lean on the insurance for your mistakes. I don't think insurance for bad flashes could be offered as they'd suffer from adverse selection. Adverse selection is where the only people that want to buy insurance are the ones that will almost certainly use it. If the only people that want to buy insurance are the ones that will almost certainly use it then the premium would end up very high.
As far as the analogy to desktop/laptop warranties, I don't think that is a good analogy. With desktop PCs the OS lives on a hard drive and the BIOS is rarely if ever flashed. With phones, the OS lives on firmware so updates are all flashed which in some cases is a process that can't be undone without a JTAG (or similar). With a desktop computer, no matter how bad you screw up your system with viruses, malware, driver corruption, etc; you can just reformat your hard drive and start over.
just my $0.02
You are right on both counts. If your device is acting up mechanically or electrically then the warranty covers, provided it is not rooted when it comes into Verizon. That's the whole key right there. Just don't mention it was rooted. Here is why. The warranty says it has to be mechanical or electrical failures. Rooting (except for overclocking) wont cause that. It can mimic it, for instance the screen cutting out or power cycles. As long as its locked and stock when it comes into the returns warehouse your ok.
As for insurance. If its Asurion, which it probably is, they will replace it. Insurance covers loss, theft, and damage. Bricking it is no different than dropping it in the lake, or a glass of tea. It's not fraud. It's what you pay for.
Now for a short soap box. Don't just brick it and call Asurion. Try to fix it, it's usually fixable.
Now for the Verizon Employee hater. Get bent. Those employees are here on their own time doing things with their equipment. Im sick of people making them out as the bad guys. They work their ass off day in and day out. Its a job. For those that say that employee should be ashamed of working for the company, get real. Its a service. The employees need a job and most try very hard to balance the policies and customer satisfaction. I don't see you quitting your job because people *****. You take it with a grain of salt, help how you can, and move on. The people that complain constantly are a very small minority that are no better than trolls. Complain when you have need to. Like the bs $2.00 convenience fee. Thanks to customer complaints it was cancelled.
I'll take my soap box and go now. Just keep in mind, working for a company, doesn't make one bad.
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I blame Motorola for letting us soak test for them. So if people want to return the devices that arr rooted then go for it. Motor reflashes everything anyhow
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I'm surprised that the manufacturers don't just put put up a site for each phone. You go, read what keys get you in recovery, Fast Boot, etc., plug your phone in via USB and flash a new image. The best devs here never (super rare) truly "Brick" their phones. I'm sure moto could give us that technology, I don't see why they don't...I bet they would have a lot less refurbs required.
Can somebody 'splain it to me?
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I'm surprised that the manufacturers don't just put put up a site for each phone. You go, read what keys get you in recovery, Fast Boot, etc., plug your phone in via USB and flash a new image. The best devs here never (super rare) truly "Brick" their phones. I'm sure moto could give us that technology, I don't see why they don't...I bet they would have a lot less refurbs required.
Can somebody 'splain it to me?
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I agree. If you have the where-with-all to hose your phone by modding, you likely have the ability to fix it with the right tools being provided. Those that hack will hack. Those that don't won't. By providing the tools to restore it does not open the door to more folks hacking their phones and likely will reduce the number of units going back, IMHO.
Also -- I see no reason why a software hack should void a HARDWARE warranty. Sure -- support should no longer be provided for "soft" issues, but if there is a HARDWARE issue, i.e. battery won't hold a charge or display goes out, etc., a ROOT or ROM should not be reason for denying the required warranty service. Again -- IMHO.
I think if you hard brick your phone you should eat it. Your fault.
I've had 3 phones with locked bootloaders (and fixed others) and I've always recovered from a brick.
If you brick your phone because you tried to flash something or RSD with a low battery - your fault.
Verizon sent me a Razr over my Bionic due to me complaining about my data issues. I restored it (system/kernel) and sent it back. Phone is in flawless condition. I compare it to jaywalking or pirating a song/movie. Moral decision.
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It appears that there is a guy who is interning at Motorola that wants to get ahold of some bigwigs and help voice our frustration. Here is a link if you have any ideas, please share them!
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/xty65/i_am_interning_at_a_major_fortune_500_company_who/
Why wouldn't they? They'll only lose the majority of the tech-geek community to other brands
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Why wouldn't they? They'll only lose the majority of the tech-geek community to other brands
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Some speculate that they hold a special contract with Verizon. This contract basically says: keep your bootloaders unlocked and you will be our flagship phone company. You will be in all our ads.
I just hope someone could post a convincing argument for that intern to use to further our cause.
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Some speculate that they hold a special contract with Verizon. This contract basically says: keep your bootloaders unlocked and you will be our flagship phone company. You will be in all our ads.
I just hope someone could post a convincing argument for that intern to use to further our cause.
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Why would they need to have a locked bootloader to have that contract?
VZW always said it ws for the "health" of the network. That rooted devices would cause it harm.
Well, one, the Nexus is unlocked so where is the concern there? and 2. I haven't heard of any gnex causing harm to the network.
I'm guessing its because when we all found wifi tether on the OG, the network suffered. lol
Here is the reason boot loaders are locked...
...and are likely to remain locked. It's because they don't want you messing with it. Read throughout the various Android forums and you will find over and over again people talking about how they screwed up their phone and got the carrier to replace it for them. I've seen some practically bragging about how they've screwed Verizon and got them to replace the phone 3 and 4 and more times. As long as this keeps happening, they will resist allowing unlocked boot loaders.
About the only way it will ever happen is if they went to a scheme like Asus has with it's transformer series tablets. Basically they lock it. But they also provide an unlocking tool. This unlocking tool basically has warnings all over it that say that if you do it, your warranty and any claim to support are void...and we do not want to hear from you. But even then on the Transformer Prime forum on XDA you hear people complaining about problems with their unlocked device and seeking advice on how to re-lock it so they can screw the company into taking it back (Asus also made unlocking an irreversible process).
For the manufacturers and carriers there is just no incentive to unlock them. By locking them they cede the enthusiast market to a large extent but that market is a drop in the bucket compared to the market as a whole.
vbhokiefan said:
VZW always said it ws for the "health" of the network. That rooted devices would cause it harm.
Well, one, the Nexus is unlocked so where is the concern there? and 2. I haven't heard of any gnex causing harm to the network.
I'm guessing its because when we all found wifi tether on the OG, the network suffered. lol
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Well nowadays all data plans are being metered anyways. If I buy 2GB per month why does Verizon care if its used on my laptop instead of my phone for example. There was a recent FCC lawsuit against Verizon for separate tethering charges because it went against some agreement they had when they bought the 4G spectrum.
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...and are likely to remain locked. It's because they don't want you messing with it. Read throughout the various Android forums and you will find over and over again people talking about how they screwed up their phone and got the carrier to replace it for them. I've seen some practically bragging about how they've screwed Verizon and got them to replace the phone 3 and 4 and more times. As long as this keeps happening, they will resist allowing unlocked boot loaders.
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Simple, unlocking your bootloader voids the warranty and the user would agree to this before running the factory bootloader unlock program. There would also have to be an easy way to tell if the bootloader had been unlocked on a bricked phone.
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Simple, unlocking your bootloader voids the warranty and the user would agree to this before running the factory bootloader unlock program. There would also have to be an easy way to tell if the bootloader had been unlocked on a bricked phone.
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From a Verizon point of view, this remains problematic. The issue is that a user with a hardware problem that lost warranty support is likely to still be angry at Verizon for not supporting the phone; even somebody with a software issue who gets no help could express anger at Verizon and decide to leave the network for another carrier (where the cycle start again, probably.) It's a matter of control - it's hard enough supporting a ton of phones, it makes it even harder when you cannot even predict what's on the phone. And from Verizon's point of view, their brand is strong enough that they feel that they can exert this control without angering enough users to matter.
(Still, the reasons I listed above are easily solved if the OEMs provide all of the tools required to bring a phone back to stock...)
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From a Verizon point of view, this remains problematic. The issue is that a user with a hardware problem that lost warranty support is likely to still be angry at Verizon for not supporting the phone; even somebody with a software issue who gets no help could express anger at Verizon and decide to leave the network for another carrier (where the cycle start again, probably.) It's a matter of control - it's hard enough supporting a ton of phones, it makes it even harder when you cannot even predict what's on the phone. And from Verizon's point of view, their brand is strong enough that they feel that they can exert this control without angering enough users to matter.
(Still, the reasons I listed above are easily solved if the OEMs provide all of the tools required to bring a phone back to stock...)
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...and are likely to remain locked. It's because they don't want you messing with it. Read throughout the various Android forums and you will find over and over again people talking about how they screwed up their phone and got the carrier to replace it for them. I've seen some practically bragging about how they've screwed Verizon and got them to replace the phone 3 and 4 and more times. As long as this keeps happening, they will resist allowing unlocked boot loaders.
About the only way it will ever happen is if they went to a scheme like Asus has with it's transformer series tablets. Basically they lock it. But they also provide an unlocking tool. This unlocking tool basically has warnings all over it that say that if you do it, your warranty and any claim to support are void...and we do not want to hear from you. But even then on the Transformer Prime forum on XDA you hear people complaining about problems with their unlocked device and seeking advice on how to re-lock it so they can screw the company into taking it back (Asus also made unlocking an irreversible process).
For the manufacturers and carriers there is just no incentive to unlock them. By locking them they cede the enthusiast market to a large extent but that market is a drop in the bucket compared to the market as a whole.
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I don't really like this argument though, because most of those bricks are CAUSED by the locked bootloaders and other "security" put into place. These phones are just computers with radios inside. I've never bricked my (desktop or laptop) computer, and neither have most people, because computers have been designed such that the process that brings the computer up (the BIOS) is simple, reliable, and will load anything you tell it to, negating the need to mess with it.
The OG Droid was borderline software unbrickable, because you could leave the stock bootloader in place, and the stock bootloader was able to get you back home (SBF) by itself. If all phones were built like this today, and manufacturer's had a utility to restore the phone back to stock available on their website, the people returning devices due to softbricking would probably go way down, because a softbrick would be no big deal.
Okay guys, I want to start a serious discussion about Android Pay, and specifically alternatives to it.
I want to start off by saying this is just sad that we, who buy nexus phones to have options as unlockable bootloaders, and base Google nexus roms or custom roms, that Android Pay requires it's base rom, and unrooted. This is unacceptable in today's age.
I was running Cyanogenmod 12.1 Nightly, and everything worked solidly and smoothly to where I wanted it to be. Then enter Android Pay.
I couldn't add my card. I tried all of the tricks. With Cyanogenmod particularly there seems to be a check. Locking bootloader, removing root, doing both at the same time still would not work. It was also checking for the Cyanogenmod rom.
So I say, fine, I really want to test the convenience of Android Pay. So I go through the trouble of backing up all of my files. Installing a Google factory image. Rooting the rom. Adding my recovery. Locking bootloader and temporarily removing root to setup the card.
It worked. Card added. I head on over to McDonalds (I know food is bad, but I the closest place near me that has android pay.) I go to swap, and I get an error. Card cannot be used.
Seriously! WTF. I thought, maybe this card needs to be enabled for Mobile Payments. I call Wells fargo, They say it wasn't enabled but they have now enabled and it should work now.
Next day. I repeat the same thing. Same error. No mention as to why it cannot use my card, just that it cannot. All provisions have taken place to get to this point and all the trouble and sacrifice of features from a much better rom (Cyanogenmod), through all the trouble of installing a Google factory image, and this still doesn't work. I figure it must be because I'm still rooted or bootloader is unlocked again.
Well seriously, screw you Google. We shouldn't have to go through so much trouble just to use a payment system, and at the end of it all, it still will not work. And what is Google's response to this? "We cannot guarantee security on rooted devices." Really? You cannot implement proper encryption methods of card numbers? You cannot think of a way to better secure a payment system for rooted users? This is Google stating we cannot do something everyone wants. Well I'd rather not use your pay system if you are going to act like this.
We need a new mobile payment system, not run by Google. Rooted users are willingly taking the risk. Nothing is ever perfectly secure, and is always a risk involved, but it's secure enough. Make an app that unroots you temporarily while you make a transaction or something. I want mobile payment system, and I refuse to not run custom roms and not root. Find a way, or be left behind. Stop trying to drag users back to your stock / unrooted ways. We will bypass you. I've left Verizon for these same kind of restrictions on their phones.
What are your thoughts. I know already you are going to say that "It's not secure, etc." but this is not a valid excuse. There has to be a compromise between security and the ability to mobile pay conveniently. I mean guys, this really goes beyond trying to patch an apk to make it work. There's WAY too many restrictions on this, and the window too small that most users aren't able to view. If my phone gets stolen, I can always call to disable mobile payment. If it's rooted Applications trying to access your card data, find a way to block it. Encrypt transactions, encrypt card info, something. If we cannot then we cannot ever use a Mobile payment system.
Not to mention, there's a TON of money to be had by becoming the VISA of mobile payments. All it takes is a developer willing to not assume responsibility for stolen money, charge $5 for the application, or even $0.01 cents per transaction. I'd sure as hell pay it if you can make it work on rooted custom rom devices.
What would it take to make one of these? Banks would be willing to work with you on it I'm sure, they will see the value. There has to already be an API for mobile payment system. We just need an apk that can do it. Trust issues of who writes it? Just charge some per transaction, so we can sue you should you try to screw us.
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Next day. I repeat the same thing. Same error. No mention as to why it cannot use my card, just that it cannot. All provisions have taken place to get to this point and all the trouble and sacrifice of features from a much better rom (Cyanogenmod), through all the trouble of installing a Google factory image, and this still doesn't work. I figure it must be because I'm still rooted or bootloader is unlocked again.
Well seriously, screw you Google. We shouldn't have to go through so much trouble just to use a payment system, and at the end of it all, it still will not work. And what is Google's response to this? "We cannot guarantee security on rooted devices." Really? You cannot implement proper encryption methods of card numbers? You cannot think of a way to better secure a payment system for rooted users? This is Google stating we cannot do something everyone wants. Well I'd rather not use your pay system if you are going to act like this.
We need a new mobile payment system, not run by Google. Rooted users are willingly taking the risk. Nothing is ever perfectly secure, and is always a risk involved, but it's secure enough. Make an app that unroots you temporarily while you make a transaction or something. I want mobile payment system, and I refuse to not run custom roms and not root. Find a way, or be left behind. Stop trying to drag users back to your stock / unrooted ways. We will bypass you. I've left Verizon for these same kind of restrictions on their phones.
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Here' s the thing. Your first comment is flawed. "i figure" does not mean you know. There's a ton of reasons why it may not have worked. Could be a problem with that McDonald's for all we know. Or your card issuer(the person at their customer service line isn't privvy to everything technical occurring that may not yet be widely known). You've done limited to know troubleshooting to really isolate the issue.
Second...security is what matters. Why? Cause it's not on you. It's on the vendor and the card issuer. They are the ones who get to dictate what level of security is required before they CHOOSE to participate. I'm sure Google could come up with an option for rooted users...and I'm pretty sure Visa/Mastercard and other bank backed card issuers would tell them to take a hike.
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Rooted users are willingly taking the risk.
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Banks would be willing to work with you on it I'm sure, they will see the value.
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You nor Google aren't the one assuming the risk, it's the banks and they are the very reason you can't use this with root. The trade off for Google is yet another foray into your personal data and what you are doing with your money and where.
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snip......Banks would be willing to work with you on it I'm sure, they will see the value.
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No. No they aren't willing and no they won't see the value.
PayPal works but, the stores are extremely limited right now. Maybe later.
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Rooted users are willingly taking the risk.
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No, this is wrong and i will tell you why.
If fraudsters charge up a storm on stolen card data with a given merchant, and that merchant delivers his product, he’s out the product – and that’s just the start.
The banks may then look to him for reimbursement for permitting the fraudulent transactions. In addition, the payment processor will learn of the fraud and terminate his processing account. Once that happens, no other processing firm is likely to take his business. He’ll be put on a blacklist. So in this case, the merchant can just get destroyed (specifically small businesses).
Usually, however, it is the banks that get hurt the most. This includes small regional banks. Visa and MasterCard’s contracts generally put the burden of fraud reimbursement onto the bank. A small bank may get hit with a big fraud reimbursement if a breach is serious enough. Worse, if the merchant itself is somehow involved, it may make it impossible to recoup from the merchant.
The risk isn't yours.
Also, I would also question the legality of altering software/firmware to use your credit cards. Maybe it's against the terms and conditions or possibly the law. I would look into that before you make any purchases.
I wonder if Apple Pay fails if you jailbreak iOS...
Obstacles with the Android Pay is a bummer, but if I have to choose between Android Pay and Rooting, my money is on rooting. I can still use my hard to pay, and I actually run into more stores that prefer EMV chip, over Apple/Android Pay.
Maybe in the future, for people with Android wear, we may be able to pay with watch linked to a rooted phone..?
Lol!
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Here is an easy alternative. Go to Amazon and buy one of those fancy cases that allow you to carry cards. Problem solved.
Personally, I use cash. I guess that is because I am from the 20th century. In all reality, they could set it up so that you transfer the invisible money from your invisible account into an invisible account ran by google, then you could use that invisible money for your purchases. They would have to have an agreement that if your invisible money somehow becomes more invisible they are not responsible. Google would then be able to simply take your invisible money, but no way they would do that, right?
Here is my formal petition for carriers and manufacturers to unlock the bootloaders of handsets they are not providing updates.
1. Updates are not being provided for in timely manner
2. Capable devices are not being updated and consumers are left at risk or forced to pay for on open source OS.
3. Consumers are not gaining full control of devices that no longer property of carriers and manufacturers.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//p...aders-handsets-they-no-longer-plan-supporting
Petitions are great and all, though I doubt a very tiny majority of their customers are going to create any waves. Very very few have any idea about bootloaders and all the stuff we do on xda.
So, my suggestion for people like us, is to not buy devices that are locked down in the first place. A little research before purchasing is all it takes. That is your only safe way to know you will be able to lean on developers after end of life. Manufacturers want you to buy a new device, so they certainly aren't going to do anything that may help you avoid buying new.
A tiny, tiny fraction. Among smarpthone owners, a fraction own Androids (split mostly with iPhones and marginal numbers of those others). A very small fraction of those have even heard of "root", and a smaller fraction even have the basic concept of what that means. Smaller still are those that have actually rooted a device. Then we're finally getting in to unlocked bootladers and custom ROMs, kernels, Xposed, and that kind of stuff. A tiny, tiny fraction. I don't disagree with you. But expecting anything to be done about it is a pipe dream.
Hello to everyone reading this,so i probably know the answer to this already but i am going to ask anyway. Maybe by some sort of unlikely miracle i get the answer im hoping for. It was recently established for me that i will probably never get to root my XZ2 model H8216 because re-locking the bootloader to sell the phone is not possible and the fact that the only proper DRM fiy available,you must pay a lot of money for.
Anyhow,that all being what it is,im left with a device i cant root and get rid of certain bloat apps etc,as well as virtually no customisation at all with regards font style and so on. Now i am aware that there is a script of sorts available to remove all bloat,but i dont want to remove all and only certain apps. That brings me to my question though,using ADB commands,is there no way that on could change stuff like the navigation bar with regards to height and maybe transparency?
Is there any Dev or clever person among you that would look into it and other basics so hat the average user such as myself,who now cant root and doesnt have the knowledge to play around with the device settings etc via ADB etc,has got at least some sort of customisation options for our wonderful devices that we cant fully enjoy because we simply cannot root them.
Trace.Oneil said:
Hello to everyone reading this,so i probably know the answer to this already but i am going to ask anyway. Maybe by some sort of unlikely miracle i get the answer im hoping for. It was recently established for me that i will probably never get to root my XZ2 model H8216 because re-locking the bootloader to sell the phone is not possible and the fact that the only proper DRM fiy available,you must pay a lot of money for.
Anyhow,that all being what it is,im left with a device i cant root and get rid of certain bloat apps etc,as well as virtually no customisation at all with regards font style and so on. Now i am aware that there is a script of sorts available to remove all bloat,but i dont want to remove all and only certain apps. That brings me to my question though,using ADB commands,is there no way that on could change stuff like the navigation bar with regards to height and maybe transparency?
Is there any Dev or clever person among you that would look into it and other basics so hat the average user such as myself,who now cant root and doesnt have the knowledge to play around with the device settings etc via ADB etc,has got at least some sort of customisation options for our wonderful devices that we cant fully enjoy because we simply cannot root them.
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Not getting a new phone on every contract extension of your mobile network provider is much more cheaper.
You even don't need to "extend" it.
Search in comparing portals for the cheapest provider, say your actual provider that you want to end your contract and your actual provider will give you some price reductions to keep you as customer.
And even if you can "relock" the bootloader of other devices, the device manufacturer will know if you unlocked it.
That's not a Sony thing.
You need to unlock the device to root on every phone and that will void the warranty on every phone. Regardless if it's a Sony, Samsung, etc.
MartinX3 said:
Not getting a new phone on every contract extension of your mobile network provider is much more cheaper.
You even don't need to "extend" it.
Search in comparing portals for the cheapest provider, say your actual provider that you want to end your contract and your actual provider will give you some price reductions to keep you as customer.
And even if you can "relock" the bootloader of other devices, the device manufacturer will know if you unlocked it.
That's not a Sony thing.
You need to unlock the device to root on every phone and that will void the warranty on every phone. Regardless if it's a Sony, Samsung, etc.[
@MartinX3[/MENTION],you have totally mirunderstood my point here. Firstly,i CHOOSE to upgrade to a newer device at the end of my contract term because it gives me the means to stay up to date with the latest manufacturer releases and the latest Android software version available. Secondly,i am well aware that the manufacturer is aware of the device being unlocked,but in most situations your service provider is not and they are the ones that do the repairs as they have technicians who are trained by said manufacturer to work on their products,its only in major cases where you are claiming for a replacement device or the technician is unable to repair the device himself,that it would then be sent back to the manufacturer and then the status of it being unlocked would become an issue.
In this particular insance,my not being able to root my phone,is more as a result of the large amount wanted as payment for the only proper DRM fix that is available and not so much an issue of the bootloader not being re-lockable,although it is a concern for me personally as well. My living in South Africa and said country having a weak currency makes the amount wanted for the DRM fix a problem for me as at the current exchange rate,it would cost me over 300 South African rands,which is a lot of money,especially when you have to stretch every rand as far as you can because you are unemployed and live off a Government allowance which is only R1600 a month and with that you must buy food etc,pay my phone contract and so on. I welcome any of you to try and survive on that,especially with the current extremely high cost of living in my country as a result of a very corrupt government.
Hence my post asking if there arent any Dev's or intelligent persons out there that could maybe look into ways to customise our devices to a certain extent for those like myself,that for whatever reason,are unable to root their devices. And still would like to be able to change basics like the navigation bar height etc wiuth ADB or something.
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Trace.Oneil said:
MartinX3 said:
Not getting a new phone on every contract extension of your mobile network provider is much more cheaper.
You even don't need to "extend" it.
Search in comparing portals for the cheapest provider, say your actual provider that you want to end your contract and your actual provider will give you some price reductions to keep you as customer.
And even if you can "relock" the bootloader of other devices, the device manufacturer will know if you unlocked it.
That's not a Sony thing.
You need to unlock the device to root on every phone and that will void the warranty on every phone. Regardless if it's a Sony, Samsung, etc.[
@MartinX3[/MENTION],you have totally mirunderstood my point here. Firstly,i CHOOSE to upgrade to a newer device at the end of my contract term because it gives me the means to stay up to date with the latest manufacturer releases and the latest Android software version available. Secondly,i am well aware that the manufacturer is aware of the device being unlocked,but in most situations your service provider is not and they are the ones that do the repairs as they have technicians who are trained by said manufacturer to work on their products,its only in major cases where you are claiming for a replacement device or the technician is unable to repair the device himself,that it would then be sent back to the manufacturer and then the status of it being unlocked would become an issue.
In this particular insance,my not being able to root my phone,is more as a result of the large amount wanted as payment for the only proper DRM fix that is available and not so much an issue of the bootloader not being re-lockable,although it is a concern for me personally as well. My living in South Africa and said country having a weak currency makes the amount wanted for the DRM fix a problem for me as at the current exchange rate,it would cost me over 300 South African rands,which is a lot of money,especially when you have to stretch every rand as far as you can because you are unemployed and live off a Government allowance which is only R1600 a month and with that you must buy food etc,pay my phone contract and so on. I welcome any of you to try and survive on that,especially with the current extremely high cost of living in my country as a result of a very corrupt government.
Hence my post asking if there arent any Dev's or intelligent persons out there that could maybe look into ways to customise our devices to a certain extent for those like myself,that for whatever reason,are unable to root their devices. And still would like to be able to change basics like the navigation bar height etc wiuth ADB or something.
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@sToRm//
TL;DR
She lives in south africa and the 19€ are in south africa currency many money.
Could you give here a discount?
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MartinX3 said:
Trace.Oneil said:
@sToRm//
TL;DR
She lives in south africa and the 19€ are in south africa currency many money.
Could you give here a discount?
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Lol @MartinX3,thanks but i am not looking for a handout. The Dev did the work and made the fix available through many hours of hard work so he is entitled to ask what he wants to for it. I really wouldnt be able to afford any sort of discount offered to me anyway as i am already living beyond what i get from my corrupt government. That is why i simply wont be rooting my device,but i would very much like it if someone could find a way to maybe bring about a way to change the navigation bar height and maybe somehow a way to change system font style etc without root. For me that would already be a huge difference in the stock appearance.
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