Hi,
Currently with Big Red but will switch to "someone" once contract is up 3rd qtr next year. Most probably because of the the price and I am sick of VZ dropping back to 3G most of the time where I am.
If I get a Verizon Moto X can I later use that on TMobile. And/rather, a Verizon Moto X can be used on which carriers - all or none
much appreciated.
If it's a developer edition then "I believe" you could use it on sprint. T-Mobile is a GSM carrier and since the only option on the CDMA phones is for global GSM for international travel that you will likely not get it to work. They don't have the radios in it to work on T-mobile. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
themogul said:
Hi,
Currently with Big Red but will switch to "someone" once contract is up 3rd qtr next year. Most probably because of the the price and I am sick of VZ dropping back to 3G most of the time where I am.
If I get a Verizon Moto X can I later use that on TMobile. And/rather, a Verizon Moto X can be used on which carriers - all or none
much appreciated.
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This has been covered before yes it will. Verizon moto x is ( might be wrong) the only phone that is Sim unlocked besides T-Mobile and gsm developer edition. Tmobile Sim should work just fine.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2442735
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mawells787 said:
This has been covered before yes it will. Verizon moto x is ( might be wrong) the only phone that is Sim unlocked besides T-Mobile and gsm developer edition. Tmobile Sim should work just fine.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2442735
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I put a prepaid T-Mobile sim into my Dev Verizon Moto X, and I get good LTE speeds.
folsom68 said:
I put a prepaid T-Mobile sim into my Dev Verizon Moto X, and I get good LTE speeds.
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Just seconding that I put a T-Mobile SIM in to my VZW dev edition Moto X (4.4), and it was SIM unlocked as expected, but also had good LTE signal, indicating that Band 4 is definitely enabled on these phones, contrary to published specs. Good news!
Can you make phone calls and send text messages with a T-Mo SIM in a VZW phone? Seems as if a CDMA phone would not work on a GSM network for calls and texts.
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scottjb said:
Can you make phone calls and send text messages with a T-Mo SIM in a VZW phone? Seems as if a CDMA phone would not work on a GSM network for calls and texts.
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Yes. I haven't done it with the Moto X yet, but I did it without issue previously with both the Verizon S4 and LG G2. It's part of an FCC agreement when Verizon got LTE. It's basically GSM unlocked. Data, text, and calls work.
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scottjb said:
Can you make phone calls and send text messages with a T-Mo SIM in a VZW phone? Seems as if a CDMA phone would not work on a GSM network for calls and texts.
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Most Verizon LTE phones have a GSM radio and work on AT&T and Tmobile
I made a call to verify it works, and I received text messages from T-Mobile.
I also didn't have to add APNs, it seemed to figure them out.
Sprint won't work. Cause most of the CDMA bands and LTE bands are different.
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But I'm pretty sure T-Mobile will cause it is Sim unlocked
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supr2nr said:
If it's a developer edition then "I believe" you could use it on sprint. T-Mobile is a GSM carrier and since the only option on the CDMA phones is for global GSM for international travel that you will likely not get it to work. They don't have the radios in it to work on T-mobile. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Yes, you are wrong. It does work with either a "retail" Verizon phone, or developer edition.
The big misconception is that since Verizon uses CDMA for voice and sms, that their phones only work on CDMA. This is NOT True.
Because Verizon's 4G LTE phones are "global" they support the same GSM/GPRS/Edge bands as ATT and T-Mobile for voice and data so they can be used globally on GSM carrier networks. Another little plus is that due to the FCC rules around their 700Mhz spectrum, they are SIM unlocked, so they happen to work with ATT and T-Mobile sim inserted. Since ATT uses the same bands for HSPA and HSPA+ as they do for EDGE, you can get HSPA speeds. In areas where T-Mobile's "network modernization" has refarmed their 1900Mhz edge to HSPA, you'll get HSPA speeds. In Tmobile areas that HSPA is still over AWS, you'll fall back to Edge when trying Verizon branded devices.
Using both developer and "retail" variants of the Verizon Moto X, I have inserted my T-Mobile SIM and had it work after setting the phones to "global". I've done the same with my iPhone 5, iPhone 5S, Blackberry Z10, Q10, Nokia Lumia 928, and Samsung Galaxy S4 and Note 3. Some of the phones, like the Z10 and 928 only gave me EDGE speeds the last time I tried them. The X and S4 have given me HSPA. T-Mobile recently rolled out LTE here, as putting the T-Mo Sim in my VZW iPhne 5S last week gave me T-Mo LTE for the first time. When i get time I'll have to go back and test my other devices again to see what they do.
With recent firmware updates on my X, note 3 and Galaxy S4, I have had to manually enter T-Mobile APN settings to get them to work.
scottjb said:
Can you make phone calls and send text messages with a T-Mo SIM in a VZW phone? Seems as if a CDMA phone would not work on a GSM network for calls and texts.
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Yes it does work as long as the APN settings come down automatically to your phone, or you manually enter the correct APN settings.
On a side note... some have asked if you can do the same with a Sprint phone (since they are cdma based too). The answer is..I don't know for sure, but it really depends. I haven't looked into the sprint phones to know their "global roaming" capabilities, and what radios and frequencies their devices support. I guess as long as their phones support the quad band GSM frequencies and are (or can be) SIM Unlocked, then you can do the same with Sprint phones to get at least Edge speeds. HSPA and LTE would again depend on the frequencies the sprint phones support, and the target carrier network uses.
Thank you everybody!!!
This is excellent info and more importantly very good details. I am very grateful...
Time to the Moto X with orange accents now
themogul said:
Hi,
Currently with Big Red but will switch to "someone" once contract is up 3rd qtr next year. Most probably because of the the price and I am sick of VZ dropping back to 3G most of the time where I am.
If I get a Verizon Moto X can I later use that on TMobile. And/rather, a Verizon Moto X can be used on which carriers - all or none
much appreciated.
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I put a T-mobile SIM in my stock 16GB Verizon Moto x. Here is what works and doesn't.
First off, 4G works! in the South Jersey area and it is Blistering fast, I have exceeded 40MB speed test downloads twice, Several in the high 30s and I am avg in mid 20s. Uploads are averaging 20+/- . Compared to Verizon this is like comparing Fios to 1999 era dial up. the best I ever got on Verizon 4G was 14 download but average between 4 and 9 !
The Network notification switches a lot between 4G, "H" mode, whatever that is, just bars and another which I didn't catch quick enough to read ?
Battery has been amazing compared to my galaxy Nexus, I got 7.5 hours of Actual "Screen on Time" which included some GPS use and an hour of music streaming total phone up time was 34+ hours. How long it will perform like this is anyone's guess, today i got about 6.5 of Screen on time. I hope this inst a trend
Now for the bad news - Using it as a Phone. Incoming calls are fine but, making outgoing is a Pain in the A$$.
When I dial a number, (which is a hassle on this KitKat dialer) it often goes to the home screen or back to the dialer. The Call Fails. I am not sure if my dialer is buggy or its a compatibility problem. the KitKat Dialer on the Moto X is an exorcise in futility. Google are you listening? Why reinvent the wheel. All I want in my Dialer is a Number Pad! and a phone book.
When I Open dialer I see Recent calls up top, the whole middle section says all contacts and is otherwise blank, the bottom has the number pad icon, History and settings dots.
Clicking the number pad icon enlarges the bottom section, which then goes all white and removes the three icons. I have to then click the back arrow and re-click the number pad icon to bring it up the actual dialer. .
At this time I can dial. and then the call always fails on the first attempt. Sometimes it takes several attempts to go through.
When I click send on the dialer the 4G disappears and I am left with just the bars. they come back when call is done but sometimes take a few minutes to do so.
If you Kill the dialer app or swipe it away, coming back to it you will have the same issues when trying to get the number pad (two attempts) if you dont, the number pad will open on first attempt. but the calls will still fail on the first try.
I also cant use the internet when in a call, whether WiFi is on or off. Is this a T-mobile problem? I could use the net in Verizon when in a call when on 4G or WiFi
The Data is set to global mode but I have tried both the other settings. On boot up I get a warning saying the SIM is not recognized which I just swipe away.
I am also having this problem. After making a call, the music player and the phones "volume" aspects cease to work., Meaning, I get no sound out of the phone, Music, notifications alarms etc.. This happens almost every time and the only fix is a reboot
I disabled all Verizon Bloat and a lot of Moto Bloat as well This could be causing some of the bugs? But i have tested several different configurations all with the same outcomes.
Hope this helps and puts an end to the - Will it work or not questions. There seem to be a lot of Net Know it all's that flat out say a Verizon Moto x wont work with a T-Mobile SIM or some other undocumented "fact"
I have the same issues as SOMFW. Disabling LTE resolves all these problems, so it seems like it's an issue with the LTE-to-2G/3G fallback for phone calls.
When I force it into HSPA+, I have both simultaneous voice and data and no dialing issues.
nethead25 said:
I have the same issues as SOMFW. Disabling LTE resolves all these problems, so it seems like it's an issue with the LTE-to-2G/3G fallback for phone calls.
When I force it into HSPA+, I have both simultaneous voice and data and no dialing issues.
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How did you disable 4G? or Force it into HSPA+? Is there a setting I am missing?
Somebody else mentioned Manually adding T-Mobile APN is this something you did?
On My Moto,x when using the Vz SIM there is an APN labeled Verizon that appears on its own, On the TM SIM it was blank
Also, while on the TM SIM under About Phone / Status My phone number doesn't show, On the Vz SIM it is there and the Dialer works fine. But I still get the Dialer Bug, which is, When I click the Keypad icon the bottom area goes blank and I have to hit the back button and repeat it. This only happens if I swipe the dialer out of running apps list, Force close it or haven't used it for several hours.
Any Ideas?
SOMFW said:
How did you disable 4G? or Force it into HSPA+? Is there a setting I am missing?
Somebody else mentioned Manually adding T-Mobile APN is this something you did?
On My Moto,x when using the Vz SIM there is an APN labeled Verizon that appears on its own, On the TM SIM it was blank
Also, while on the TM SIM under About Phone / Status My phone number doesn't show, On the Vz SIM it is there and the Dialer works fine. But I still get the Dialer Bug, which is, When I click the Keypad icon the bottom area goes blank and I have to hit the back button and repeat it. This only happens if I swipe the dialer out of running apps list, Force close it or haven't used it for several hours.
Any Ideas?
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These are the steps I used to turn off LTE and enable HSPA:
1) Download/install the app LTE OnOff
2) Change Mobile Network type in Settings to LTE / GSM / UMTS
3) On LTE OnOff, hit the Three-Dot menu in the top right, and select "Select radio band"
4) Select USA Band
5) Hit the Turn Off Radio button
6) Select GSM auto (PRL) under Preferred Network Type
7) Turn On Radio
The phone should show no data for a second, then 3G, then eventually an H for HSPA will be displayed.
You can also try GSM only or WCDMA preferred if GSM auto doesn't work.
Still trying to figure out how to get LTE to play nice with it.
There is a known LTE bug that causes this issue in 4.4. Check aracanexvi's thread in the Droid Ultra section. Basically we will need to leave LTE off of you want to make calls reliably.
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Would be easier if I just shared the thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2591954
4.4 and Non-VZW carriers
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Which one are people having better luck with, at or T-Mobile?
can you put a T-Mobile ROM for it to work as well?
Using Verizon Moto X (locked Verizon retail) on ATT should be as good as using it on Tmobile, assuming I don't need LTE ?
Thanks.
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I am ready for a new phone, but would like to be done with Verizon once they take away my unlimited plan. I read a few posts where it is said that the cdma phones would work on T-Mobile, the carrier I will be going to next. Can anyone confirm or deny the ability to use on both networks?
Thanks
Yes a Verizon Moto X will work on T-Mobile as it is SIM unlocked and supports band 4 LTE. It should be noted that it doesn't support AWS 3G which is the main band T-Mobile uses for their 3G service. If you are in a refarmed market then they will also offer 3G service on the PCS band which the Verizon Moto X does support. Most major cities are refarmed so as long as you are okay with the risk of ending up on 2G more often then you would on a T-Mobile Moto X then you should be okay. From my understanding T-Mobile is working on having almost all of their 3G service on the PCS band in order to free up AWS spectrum for LTE so this issue should become less of an issue over time.
With kit Kat on my vzw x, when I put my T-Mobile Sim in, I must manually enter T-Mobile APN settings to get working data and SMS. I haven't tried MMS.
With 4.2.2 Roms (version that the phone came with plus camera ota) APN settings came down automatically.
I get h+ in refarmed area.
landale said:
Yes a Verizon Moto X will work on T-Mobile as it is SIM unlocked and supports band 4 LTE. It should be noted that it doesn't support AWS 3G which is the main band T-Mobile uses for their 3G service. If you are in a refarmed market then they will also offer 3G service on the PCS band which the Verizon Moto X does support. Most major cities are refarmed so as long as you are okay with the risk of ending up on 2G more often then you would on a T-Mobile Moto X then you should be okay. From my understanding T-Mobile is working on having almost all of their 3G service on the PCS band in order to free up AWS spectrum for LTE so this issue should become less of an issue over time.
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I thought the VZW Moto X only supported Band 13 LTE?
binary visions said:
I thought the VZW Moto X only supported Band 13 LTE?
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It supports both. I've confirmed this with a T-Mobile SIM card and is also stated on the Verizon dev page.
http://developer.verizon.com/content/vdc/en/verizon-devices/pages/mot_moto_x.html
landale said:
It supports both. I've confirmed this with a T-Mobile SIM card and is also stated on the Verizon dev page.
http://developer.verizon.com/content/vdc/en/verizon-devices/pages/mot_moto_x.html
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Wow, that's interesting. Also interesting that the top section specifically references Band 4, yet the actual spectrum is not called out in the technical section below.
Thanks for the info. This is a surprisingly network-flexible phone... not used to that with Verizon phones.
binary visions said:
Wow, that's interesting. Also interesting that the top section specifically references Band 4, yet the actual spectrum is not called out in the technical section below.
Thanks for the info. This is a surprisingly network-flexible phone... not used to that with Verizon phones.
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Most of the upper level Verizon LTE phones released this year save the HTC One support band 4 either out of the box or will get a software update for it. Verizon is supposed to be making a big push over the next few months to add band 4 LTE service which is much needed here in Houston as our band 13 LTE service is so overloaded that sometimes I am lucky to top 3-4mbps.
Quite possible that Band 4 support was added in one of the updates that was pushed out, so most documentation wouldn't reference it. Best place to check would be the FCC docs when they tested the phone.
fyrmd said:
I am ready for a new phone, but would like to be done with Verizon once they take away my unlimited plan. I read a few posts where it is said that the cdma phones would work on T-Mobile, the carrier I will be going to next. Can anyone confirm or deny the ability to use on both networks?
Thanks
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I put a T-mobile SIM in my stock 16GB Verizon Moto x. Here is what works and doesn't.
First off, 4G works! in the South Jersey area and it is Blistering fast, I have exceeded 40MB speed test downloads twice, Several in the high 30s and I am avg in mid 20s. Uploads are averaging 20+/- . Compared to Verizon this is like comparing Fios to 1999 era dial up. the best I ever got on Verizon 4G was 14 download but average between 4 and 9 !
The Network notification switches a lot between 4G, "H" mode, whatever that is, just bars and another which I didn't catch quick enough to read ?
Battery has been amazing compared to my galaxy Nexus, I got 7.5 hours of Actual "Screen on Time" which included some GPS use and an hour of music streaming total phone up time was 34+ hours. How long it will perform like this is anyone's guess, today i got about 6.5 of Screen on time. I hope this inst a trend
Now for the bad news - Using it as a Phone. Incoming calls are fine but, making outgoing is a Pain in the A$$.
When I dial a number, (which is a hassle on this KitKat dialer) it often goes to the home screen or back to the dialer. The Call Fails. I am not sure if my dialer is buggy or its a compatibility problem. the KitKat Dialer on the Moto X is an exorcise in futility. Google are you listening? Why reinvent the wheel. All I want in my Dialer is a Number Pad! and a phone book.
When I Open dialer I see Recent calls up top, the whole middle section says all contacts and is otherwise blank, the bottom has the number pad icon, History and settings dots.
Clicking the number pad icon enlarges the bottom section, which then goes all white and removes the three icons. I have to then click the back arrow and re-click the number pad icon to bring it up the actual dialer. .
At this time I can dial. and then the call always fails on the first attempt. Sometimes it takes several attempts to go through.
When I click send on the dialer the 4G disappears and I am left with just the bars. they come back when call is done but sometimes take a few minutes to do so.
If you Kill the dialer app or swipe it away, coming back to it you will have the same issues when trying to get the number pad (two attempts) if you dont, the number pad will open on first attempt. but the calls will still fail on the first try.
I also cant use the internet when in a call, whether WiFi is on or off. Is this a T-mobile problem? I could use the net in Verizon when in a call when on 4G or WiFi
The Data is set to global mode but I have tried both the other settings. On boot up I get a warning saying the SIM is not recognized which I just swipe away.
I am also having this problem. After making a call, the music player and the phones "volume" aspects cease to work., Meaning, I get no sound out of the phone, Music, notifications alarms etc.. This happens almost every time and the only fix is a reboot
I disabled all Verizon Bloat and a lot of Moto Bloat as well This could be causing some of the bugs? But i have tested several different configurations all with the same outcomes.
Hope this helps and puts an end to the - Will it work or not questions. There seem to be a lot of Net Know it all's that flat out say a Verizon Moto x wont work with a T-Mobile SIM or some other undocumented "fact"
Would a verizon sim work in a sprint or T-moblie phone?
I popped in my T-Mobile Sim card and I only get hspa+. I definitely live in a LTE area. Hmm...
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im from india i got moto x navy blue customized but device wont get signal dont know whats wrong tried to reset still no luck even getting the signal but instantly disappears and showing emergency only
So, I have a Verizon Moto X and popped in my T-Mobile sim card today and LTE popped up after a few seconds (I live in Boston). My LTE speeds on the internet worked instantly. However, I tried to send a text message and it wouldn't send. Not sure if I need to do anything else to get voice/text to work fine. Any ideas?
if you're on 4.4, you need to manually add APNs
Kittiesoncrack said:
if you're on 4.4, you need to manually add APNs
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I just popped in the T-Mo sim card again and now text works no issues and calls. Not sure what happened, but oh well.
Now, is there any difference in me using a Verizon Moto X on T-Mobile compared to an AT&T Moto X on T-Mobile. I have both and have been using an AT&T one, but I am just curious.
NickB2008 said:
Do you know where I can find the APNs to fix this? I know how to access it on the phone, but just so I can find it.
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http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-2090 <- That should have everything you need as far as the APN goes.
Guys I have customized Moto x but the gsm doesn't works not Able to connect network even im added apns what could be issue
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I fixed my issue. I ported my number into a Verizon unlimited data plan. Problem solved.
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Any help guys how to unlock gsm I can see gsm sim getting signal and immediately loosing and showing emergency only what could be issue
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Would a verizon sim work in a sprint or T-moblie phone?
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no because the sprint x is sim locked and doesn't use the same cdma setup, and the t-mobile doesn't support cdma/evdo that verizon uses for voice and 3g data
Apparently the droid turbo can't, which is amazing as far as I'm concerned, and unfortunately a deal breaker for me.
Someone please tell me this phone won't have the same problem?
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On what carrier?
G3
Verizon
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This will be fixed soon on all the new Verizon phones. Same with the Sony Z3v.
It depends on the network. ATT can data and call.
Verizon phones can. I have a note 4 and can make calls while browsing the web
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I'm not sure about all Verizon phones I guess. I just mean it's possible on their network right now
At first most likely not. Droid life did a video making a call while on Verizon and it dropped data as soon as it started calling and came back once finished.
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Wow hopefully that is fixed with the upcoming update being pushed before release.
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Wow hopefully that is fixed with the upcoming update being pushed before release.
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Its not something that is broke ....the oem are making these phones with only one path from modem .... either data or phone can use but not both. ..it's been that way since g2 on sprint ...you can use wifi and phone though
You can when vzw goes VoLTE since it will be using the same network type. This uses same antenna as I phone and other moto devices that do not support simultaneous voice and data
Does Sprint's Spark network support it?
I think Verizon has given the date for the update as mid December. At least for the Turbo, that's the case. Still somewhat mystifying why you would release three major "flagship" phones— Sony zv3, Droid Turbo and the Nexus 6— before your ducks are in a row with simultaneous calls and data.
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Does Sprint's Spark network support it?
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No sprint spark phone can do it .... g2 g3 note 4 s5 none of them
VoLTE
I'm confused. I thought the fact that voice was over CDMA is the reason why we can have simultaneous data and voice. Back before Verizon got LTE there was no simultaneous voice and data. Then once LTE came along, suddenly simultaneous voice and data worked (and has worked for me since). The way this was explained to me was that voice uses CMDA and data uses LTE (which is GSM) so they can coexist.
So I guess I'm confused about two things...
1.) Since simultaneous voice and data has been working for years now, what makes these new phones (Turbo & Nexus 6, specifically) any different. Why is this suddenly a concern again? It feels like 2012 all over again.
2.) Whatever the reason is that it supposedly does not work, why will VoLTE fix things? It seems to me that once we have VoLTE we'd have voice and data both trying to use the same pipe and have issues again, just like before LTE existed and we had only CMDA.
Perhaps someone can explain
demarcmj said:
I'm confused. I thought the fact that voice was over CDMA is the reason why we can have simultaneous data and voice. Back before Verizon got LTE there was no simultaneous voice and data. Then once LTE came along, suddenly simultaneous voice and data worked (and has worked for me since). The way this was explained to me was that voice uses CMDA and data uses LTE (which is GSM) so they can coexist.
So I guess I'm confused about two things...
1.) Since simultaneous voice and data has been working for years now, what makes these new phones (Turbo & Nexus 6, specifically) any different. Why is this suddenly a concern again? It feels like 2012 all over again.
2.) Whatever the reason is that it supposedly does not work, why will VoLTE fix things? It seems to me that once we have VoLTE we'd have voice and data both trying to use the same pipe and have issues again, just like before LTE existed and we had only CMDA.
Perhaps someone can explain
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1. some newer VZW phones dont have two radios (ie, one for CDMA voice and the other for CDMA or LTE data).
2. VoLTE with one radio has enough bandwith to simultaneously handle both voice and data. However, VoLTE has a much, much bigger problem as I see it:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/support/advanced-calling-faqs/
Will my call be handed off automatically when I move from the 3G network to the 4G LTE network and vice versa with Advanced Calling 1.0?
No, calls won t switch between 3G and 4G LTE networks. If your call starts on the 3G network and you move to a 4G LTE coverage area, your call will continue as a 3G/CDMA call. However, if your call starts on the 4G LTE network and you move to a non-4G coverage area, your call will drop.
I live in Houston....presumably a place with lots of LTE coverage. In reality, I am constantly switching between LTE and 3G. with VoLTE, I'll be dropping calls like crazy.
roadratx said:
1. some newer VZW phones dont have two radios (ie, one for CDMA voice and the other for CDMA or LTE data).
2. VoLTE with one radio has enough bandwith to simultaneously handle both voice and data. However, VoLTE has a much, much bigger problem as I see it:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/support/advanced-calling-faqs/
Will my call be handed off automatically when I move from the 3G network to the 4G LTE network and vice versa with Advanced Calling 1.0?
No, calls won t switch between 3G and 4G LTE networks. If your call starts on the 3G network and you move to a 4G LTE coverage area, your call will continue as a 3G/CDMA call. However, if your call starts on the 4G LTE network and you move to a non-4G coverage area, your call will drop.
I live in Houston....presumably a place with lots of LTE coverage. In reality, I am constantly switching between LTE and 3G. with VoLTE, I'll be dropping calls like crazy.
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I'm in Katy, travel all over Houston working. While T-Mobile has a very large LTE area down here, I do see the signals changing very often depending on part of town I'm in
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I've seen the news that simultaneous voice and data doesn't work on the N6 on Verizon out of the box. Curious what people think the chances are that it will work at some point without the need to root and unlock?
They have gone to using just one antenna as is the same for the Droid Turbo. VOLTE should be coming to the N6 in the near future.
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HankStorm said:
I've seen the news that simultaneous voice and data doesn't work on the N6 on Verizon out of the box. Curious what people think the chances are that it will work at some point without the need to root and unlock?
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Rooting/unlocking will have no impact on this. It, like all new Verizon devices, requires "Advance Calling 1.0" which Verizon hasn't pushed to any new devices at this point. Assuming Verizon supports the device then it will get the update at some point.
Assuming the phone is made available from Verizon directly I can see simultaneous voice and data being available. I should have been more clear about my question applying to phones bought from Google or Motorola directly.
akellar said:
Rooting/unlocking will have no impact on this. It, like all new Verizon devices, requires "Advance Calling 1.0" which Verizon hasn't pushed to any new devices at this point. Assuming Verizon supports the device then it will get the update at some point.
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Iphone 6 and 6 Plus has it. I just switched to Verizon from Tmo and got 3 devices, 2x iPhone 6+ and Droid Turbo. Now, Turbo I had to get as that line is for business, but it will be sold for a Nexus 6. Tmobile definitely had better voice quality and I was always iffy about going to a CDMA carrier as I used to work and knew a lot about CDMA for Sprint. However, fact that they pretty much have their entire network covered with LTE made me decide to try.
Point is, with Advanced Calling 1.0 you can definitely tell the voice quality difference and using LTE while being on the phone is nice, same way it was on T-Mobile... The fact that Droid Turbo doesn't have this and is one of the premier Verizon Devices saddens me...
air2k57 said:
Point is, with Advanced Calling 1.0 you can definitely tell the voice quality difference and using LTE while being on the phone is nice, same way it was on T-Mobile... The fact that Droid Turbo doesn't have this and is one of the premier Verizon Devices saddens me...
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do you happen to know if turning off the advanced calling 1.0 on the phone will disable the simultaneous voice/data?
i was reading some wiggy things (in verizon's faq, no less) about needing to turn off the adv calling if you're going to be bouncing between LTE & 3G or its going to to drop calls. but my partner makes a ton of calls during her (SF to sacramento) commute when she needs to have data to look at.
if its just the VoLTE you can turn off, that would be great; but if it's the whole package... well, that's going to be a problem.
I am very curious about how this will work in practice as well, to the point where I may not upgrade until volte has been live for a few weeks. I have grown used to just knowing voice and data works...I am worried volte isn't going to work very well.
I'm wondering what is going to work with an unlocked Nexus 6 on Verizon. 3G? XLTE? visual voice mail? my Verizon? Asurion insurance?
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I'm wondering what is going to work with an unlocked Nexus 6 on Verizon. 3G? XLTE? visual voice mail? my Verizon? Asurion insurance?
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Nexu6 has an XLTE chip?
williamentropy said:
do you happen to know if turning off the advanced calling 1.0 on the phone will disable the simultaneous voice/data?
i was reading some wiggy things (in verizon's faq, no less) about needing to turn off the adv calling if you're going to be bouncing between LTE & 3G or its going to to drop calls. but my partner makes a ton of calls during her (SF to sacramento) commute when she needs to have data to look at.
if its just the VoLTE you can turn off, that would be great; but if it's the whole package... well, that's going to be a problem.
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Hi, sorry for late reply. But yes, it will. I got an email from Verizon as well as text telling me how to enable it. And I do see a difference in voice quality when Data+Voice is enabled. It is done via Settings - Cellular and then switch it away from Data only. I drove out while on the phone last night and I managed to lose LTE signal, my call didn't disconnect. However, I did notice odd things with it still. One time my phone went to 1x while in my pocket in a good LTE coverage area. When I took it out and saw 1x I immediately got a Voice Mail notification... I never got a call though.
the only thing making me want to return my Nexus 6 is that I can't simultaneously use data and voice on Verizon.
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Hi, sorry for late reply. But yes, it will. I got an email from Verizon as well as text telling me how to enable it. And I do see a difference in voice quality when Data+Voice is enabled. It is done via Settings - Cellular and then switch it away from Data only. I drove out while on the phone last night and I managed to lose LTE signal, my call didn't disconnect. However, I did notice odd things with it still. One time my phone went to 1x while in my pocket in a good LTE coverage area. When I took it out and saw 1x I immediately got a Voice Mail notification... I never got a call though.
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I'm on Verizon also but don't see that option. Can you please provide more details
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I'm on Verizon also but don't see that option. Can you please provide more details
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He has an iPhone 6 or 6+ which already supports Advanced Calling 1.0. The Nexus 6 doesn't. Yet at least.
Just for some clarity, Advanced Calling 1.0 and XLTE are Verizon marketing buzzwords for VoLTE and AWS respectively.
You can't do simultaneous voice and data on this device, or some other recent devices because there is only one antenna for both CDMA and LTE, while many previous devices had one for each.
Once you get Advanced Calling 1.0 on your account and device, the CDMA chip is not used and both voice and data go over LTE. Since VoLTE is just another type of transmitted data over LTE, it can do both.
Advanced Calling 1.0 on Verizon WILL drop if you leave LTE coverage as Verizon does not have any way to hand down from LTE to CDMA gracefully. This is different from TMobile and AT&T who can hand down to their HSPA networks. If you had a call going and it didn't drop when you lost LTE, it wasn't a VoLTE call in the first place. It's possible either the call started on 3G, the option wasn't enabled on your phone, or the option wasn't enabled on your account. I'm sorry if I sound patronizing, but Verizon's VoLTE is completely incapable of keeping a call going if you drop from LTE.
Finally, XLTE is just Verizon's term for the extra 10x10 or 20x20MHz of high frequency AWS spectrum they acquired. It's not a new type of LTE, but might as well be because the real world speeds are so much better than the normal low frequency 700MHz band of their original LTE, mostly due to fewer users, more bandwidth, and cleaner RF at the high frequency.
There's no XLTE "chip" as much as looking in the LTE band support and checking for band 4. 700MHz Verizon LTE is band 13, and they will soon start deploying more LTE on band 2. It's a matter of antenna tuning and modem support mostly.
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He has an iPhone 6 or 6+ which already supports Advanced Calling 1.0. The Nexus 6 doesn't. Yet at least.
Just for some clarity, Advanced Calling 1.0 and XLTE are Verizon marketing buzzwords for VoLTE and AWS respectively.
You can't do simultaneous voice and data on this device, or some other recent devices because there is only one antenna for both CDMA and LTE, while many previous devices had one for each.
Once you get Advanced Calling 1.0 on your account and device, the CDMA chip is not used and both voice and data go over LTE. Since VoLTE is just another type of transmitted data over LTE, it can do both.
Advanced Calling 1.0 on Verizon WILL drop if you leave LTE coverage as Verizon does not have any way to hand down from LTE to CDMA gracefully. This is different from TMobile and AT&T who can hand down to their HSPA networks. If you had a call going and it didn't drop when you lost LTE, it wasn't a VoLTE call in the first place. It's possible either the call started on 3G, the option wasn't enabled on your phone, or the option wasn't enabled on your account. I'm sorry if I sound patronizing, but Verizon's VoLTE is completely incapable of keeping a call going if you drop from LTE.
Finally, XLTE is just Verizon's term for the extra 10x10 or 20x20MHz of high frequency AWS spectrum they acquired. It's not a new type of LTE, but might as well be because the real world speeds are so much better than the normal low frequency 700MHz band of their original LTE, mostly due to fewer users, more bandwidth, and cleaner RF at the high frequency.
There's no XLTE "chip" as much as looking in the LTE band support and checking for band 4. 700MHz Verizon LTE is band 13, and they will soon start deploying more LTE on band 2. It's a matter of antenna tuning and modem support mostly.
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Exactly what he said. And trust me, it isn't as good as what T-Mobile uses.
Let me ask you this, do you think T-Mobile is overall a better network in Metro areas? I loved my service on T-Mobile... From fast data speeds to very clear voice, amazing! Switching to verizon was a nightmare. Even on VOLTE it isn't very clear, calls do drop and I am getting low speeds or regular 3g in places T-Mobile had LTE in Atlanta. I do know that rural coverage and indoor is better on Verizon, but my experience has been bad.
Any updates? Royally pisseddd I can't do voice n data like I can on my lg g3. Fill like I stepped back in time and att tmo mocking vzw all over again for no voice n data
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moosc said:
Any updates? Royally pisseddd I can't do voice n data like I can on my lg g3. Fill like I stepped back in time and att tmo mocking vzw all over again for no voice n data
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We have had voice and data almost 2 weeks now. Update to version 5. 1. D, enable it on your phone and on Verizon. enjoy
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How to get Simultaneous Voice and Data to work on Nexus 6
After updating your Nexus 6 to Android 5.1, you will find a setting hidden inside a Phone Settings menu that allows you to enable VoLTE and then an “Enhanced 4G LTE Mode.” With both of these options toggled on, you can then make calls and “surf the web.” Glory!
In order to enable the setting on your phone, head into the dialer and type in *#*#4636#*#*. When you hit that last *, your phone will jump into the hidden settings menu. Choose “Phone info” and then scroll down until you see an option for “TURN ON VOLTE PROVISIONED FLAG.” Tap that and then reboot your phone (I had to reboot twice for some reason to get it to work). Once booted, head into your phone’s regular settings menu, tap on “More” under “Wireless & networks,” then “Cellular networks.” You should now see an option for “Enhanced 4G LTE Mode” and it should be toggled on.
Note: There is a chance that you may need HD Voice added to your Verizon account. To do that, you will need to sign-in to your Verizon account and add the feature, which is free.
Go ahead and place a call with WiFi off and see if you can access a web page or an app that uses data. All good? In order to keep this functionality, you will need to leave Enhanced 4G LTE Mode turned on.
Hi.... noticed this thread hasn't been active for awhile. Just wanted to confirm that I did this today with my Nexus 6, and everything worked fine. Had to have HD Voice put on my line for free, and had to reboot. But definitely have simultaneous voice/data now.
I just did this on my Nexus 6. Works great so far. Was able to make a call and browse several web pages at the same time. Awesome info thank you!
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I just did this on my Nexus 6. Works great so far. Was able to make a call and browse several web pages at the same time. Awesome info thank you!
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have you upgraded to MARSHMALLOW?
Anyone using LTE on the Nexus 6 with AT&T? Mine from Motorola came today. I'm just getting HSPA though. When I try to select preferred network LTE, the button is filled but the text doesn't say lte. Previous phone was the 6 Plus. Any help? Talked to AT&T and they added the phone but no worky!
breezing on the LTE here
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Anyone using LTE on the Nexus 6 with AT&T? Mine from Motorola came today. I'm just getting HSPA though. When I try to select preferred network LTE, the button is filled but the text doesn't say lte. Previous phone was the 6 Plus. Any help? Talked to AT&T and they added the phone but no worky!
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make sure you have the correct APN settings,
I had issues at first but turned on airplane mode for 5 minutes then after I turned it off I had LTE
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Anyone using LTE on the Nexus 6 with AT&T? Mine from Motorola came today. I'm just getting HSPA though. When I try to select preferred network LTE, the button is filled but the text doesn't say lte. Previous phone was the 6 Plus. Any help? Talked to AT&T and they added the phone but no worky!
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Lte works fine and Att is bad where I live.
dwd3885 said:
Anyone using LTE on the Nexus 6 with AT&T? Mine from Motorola came today. I'm just getting HSPA though. When I try to select preferred network LTE, the button is filled but the text doesn't say lte. Previous phone was the 6 Plus. Any help? Talked to AT&T and they added the phone but no worky!
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I have the same issue, except I was not able to even select LTE before calling the tech support.
The tech support has confirmed my data plan and APN setting are correct.
Can it be like the tech support said it might be the sim card? Or my APN setting is actually incorrect?
Anyone has solution for this issue?
If someone with LTE can post his/her APN setting, I'd be really thankful.
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I have the same issue, except I was not able to even select LTE before calling the tech support.
The tech support has confirmed my data plan and APN setting are correct.
Can it be like the tech support said it might be the sim card? Or my APN setting is actually incorrect?
Anyone has solution for this issue?
If someone with LTE can post his/her APN setting, I'd be really thankful.
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Thanks a lot! It does allow me to use LTE.
I found out my phone switched to LTE couple minutes after I post the reply.
I had another APN setting, and it also works with the setting you provided.
So the key here is to talk to a knowledgeable tech support, and confirm your plan, IMEI, and APN setting is correct on his/her end.
The tech support mentioned my device displayed on his end was not Nexus 6, so I provided him with my IMEI, and that is probably why I was able to select LTE for my prefer network.
I'm on AT&T with an AT&T preordered 32GB. I've got my grandfathered unlimited LTE (according to the tech support chat dude) and the IMEI matches his database. I'm still only getting on average 1-3Mbps down and .02-1Mbps up.
I've double checked APN settings, tried the old "phone" APN settings, spoke with chat who advised me to try a new SIM or exchange the phone, reboots and all. I'm pretty much in DC, so coverage should be a non-issue. I've got full bars and the indicator shows "LTE". I'm at a loss and was wondering if anyone on here had any bright ideas?
I have AT&T, but purchased my unit at T-Mobile. I switched sim cards out the box, and had LTE with no issues.
Have no problems with mine (and yes, mine is a freshly rooted AT&T model Nex6--yes, you can oem unlock and root it just fine).
Of course, I also live in one of those parts of the country where the Deathstar Telco tends to have the best coverage so there's that; I'd be shocked if I DIDN'T get LTE around here
(Which is rather more than I can say for Sprint around here, but that's neither here nor there)
So I was bored and wanted to play around and try to get this to work. So far I have been successful to get data text and mms working on 3G. Now I have noticed that when I boot the phone that it connects to LTE with a strong signal then it reconnects back to 3G its almost like its possible but something it blocking it. Has anyone had success getting further?
UPDATE: I have gotten FULL LTE on Verizon working. Currently trying to figure out a way to allow CDMA as well for calls
Ya good luck I had same issue as you . Talk text 3g working good. Or LTE only working .Never could figure out how to get them both going
Yea I know after hours of messing around lol and two sim cards wasn't satisfying enough I like the phone enough to jump off big red to try T-Mobile. I honestly like this phone better then my Pixel XL
I ditched my Verizon unlimited data plan for cricket unlimited and have no regrets. Best choice I ever made
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So I was bored and wanted to play around and try to get this to work. So far I have been successful to get data text and mms working on 3G. Now I have noticed that when I boot the phone that it connects to LTE with a strong signal then it reconnects back to 3G its almost like its possible but something it blocking it. Has anyone had success getting further?
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Can you explain in detail exactly how you got this to work? I am dying to get this phone I had 1+1 when first realeased and left Verizon to get it, but now Im back on Verizon with my business phone and want this phone nothing else is close to this phone
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Can you explain in detail exactly how you got this to work? I am dying to get this phone I had 1+1 when first realeased and left Verizon to get it, but now Im back on Verizon with my business phone and want this phone nothing else is close to this phone
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It won't work it's one or the other. You are wasting your time
The city I live In has Verizon's xlte network and if you upgrade to advanced Calling then voice calls and messages all use 4g LTE data instead of CDMA, so I would only need LTE data to work, I was able to get the 1+1 to get Verizon's signal but after 5 mins they noticed and intentionally blocked me off their Network a message popped up on the 1+1 saying I had been blocked
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The city I live In has Verizon's xlte network and if you upgrade to advanced Calling then voice calls and messages all use 4g LTE data instead of CDMA, so I would only need LTE data to work, I was able to get the 1+1 to get Verizon's signal but after 5 mins they noticed and intentionally blocked me off their Network a message popped up on the 1+1 saying I had been blocked
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You have to add VoLTE on the phone AND with the carrier. you did both of these options, and t hen were blocked? Did you ever call and ask "why?"?
Thanks
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UPDATE: I have gotten FULL LTE on Verizon working. Currently trying to figure out a way to allow CDMA as well for calls
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Just curious how you have "LTE" activated on the phone. I turned on "only LTE", but I get absolutely nothing. I am only interested in LTE on t he phone, I do not need to make voice calls of SMS
Force LTE provisioning
I know that people had the same issue on the ZTE axon 7 but we're able to force LTE provisioning by going into the dialer and dialing *#*#4636#*#*. This brings up a hidden test menu and under phone information there is a switch for LTE provisioning. It takes a few tries but eventually sticks on the axon. Can someone try this on the one plus phones to see if it works?
I know this has been rehashed many times, but I thought I'd share a my experiences of how to make the 3T usable on Verizon. Main reason I have the 3T is dual SIM and OEM bootloader unlock. Fantastic device. Switched from Verizon to AT&T just for the phone. The problem is my work uses Verizon. I refuse to carry two phones. So what I've done to solve this is bought the GravityBox app, which has a feature that allows, (among many things!) you to add a custom quick setting shortcut for Network Mode. It lets you decide which SIM the setting applies to, as well as any network modes to cycle through when pressing the shortcut. I of course pick the Verizon SIM. And only select two network modes: 1 CDMA only and 2 LTE only. CDMA only allows calls,text and 2G to work perfectly. When a sending or receiving a MMS on Verizon SIM, or needing to use Verizon LTE, I toggle to Verizon LTE only. This does kick AT&T offline for some reason, but beings that I rarely need to use Verizon data, it's not that big of deal.