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Hi guys,
I have updated to stock sense 3.0 on IS OTA yesterday, but immediately I found that the look/feeling on our IS is quite different from which on Sensation (in the bad way).
I know 3.0 was originally targeting QHD display not WVGA, and the screen ratio of Sensation is different from which of IS. But, as an official UI product, IMO, you either do it well, or don't do it at all.
1) the notification UI, I could easily notice that there are three sections: top bar displaying network operator's name; middle layer showing 8 recent apps; bottom the biggest notification area. The problem is that these 3 sections look soooo separated (split by a thin white/grey line), you can see the top bar has gradient colour variation from grey to black, the middle layer has black background with grey dots, while the notification area is just white. They are just so not consistent and the white/grey line in between them makes the feeling even stronger!!
I don't think I have the same feeling in sense 2.1 or in 3.0 on Sensation.
2) if you open the app drawer or personalize panel, apart from the inconsistent feeling described above, you will find there are a thin white/grey line on each left and right side. what the reason did they put these two lines here? it feels like (take app drawer as example) the black area displaying the 16 apps was poorly PhotoShopped on top of something and HTC were rushed pushing out the OTA without having a proper designer to make the 3.0 on WVGA look as close as possible to which on Sensation...
Again, on Sensation or stock sense 3.5 on Rhyme, you only feel comfortable looking at those UIs.
3) when you pull down the notification panel, on the bottom of UI, the black bar with 8 dots on left and right side and one single dot in the middle. if you look at the left side of this bar, you will see a thin white/grey line while on the right you won't! If HTC deliberately designed those white/grey lines on other UIs to compromise the screen ratio difference between IS and Sensation, why didn't they keep both side the same?
OK, above are just three main problems I found, of course, the font size is not ideal but, well, we had over sized font on 2.1 in the beginning...
Oh, by the way, can someone confirm on your official OTA 3.0, you have similar thing as I described above? Just in case my update was somehow, broken... (Silly question cos broken=unsuccessful update. but this time I am really disappointed in the 3.0 on IS)
Hope we will have a next update from HTC soon to make the UI look better otherwise I may consider root and go customizing...
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yes, i have the official unrooted update. Everything you described is correct.
You can see that sense is a layer over android instead of build in. It becomes even more clear if you change the skin to blue, it becomes really inconsistent when you see the blue or when you see stock android colors.
What bothers me most is that the background doesn't move anymore when sliding through homescreens.
I thought I was the only one who hated this poor Sense 3.0 update. I'm running ARHD 2.1.0 apart the last issue you described everything is the same here. Sense is badly scaled I'm really upset by that.
Thanks god I'm still soff so flashing Sense 3.5 Roms is all I want for now.
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HTC upgraded your 9 months old phone to their newest ui for free, and you complain about tiny graphical changes?
To me the important stuff is the lock screen and the 3d carousel, and the fact that 3.0 runs smoothly. I am happy with it to be honest.
It does run smooth but not stable. Updated yesterday and had +5 forced closed, the last one 2 mins ago.
dialer forced closed 2 times (can reproduce the error)
contacts forced closed 3 times (can reproduce the error)
Messages failed to link the phone numbers to the contacts 2 times stating only numbers at sms instead of contact name (only reboot solves this).
The favorites widget reloads at random, offcourse only when you want to use it, than you have to wait a bit.
esbenm said:
HTC upgraded your 9 months old phone to their newest ui for free, and you complain about tiny graphical changes?
To me the important stuff is the lock screen and the 3d carousel, and the fact that 3.0 runs smoothly. I am happy with it to be honest.
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I think its right to complain because virtuous unity properly scaled and resized the qHD sensation ROM for several WVGA devices including the IS a long time back.
I have no problems with the ui, sense is nice and smooth.
The only thing that bothers me is the presence of the good old damn dialer issue sucking the battery.
Why?
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It does run smooth but not stable. Updated yesterday and had +5 forced closed, the last one 2 mins ago.
dialer forced closed 2 times (can reproduce the error)
contacts forced closed 3 times (can reproduce the error)
Messages failed to link the phone numbers to the contacts 2 times stating only numbers at sms instead of contact name (only reboot solves this).
The favorites widget reloads at random, offcourse only when you want to use it, than you have to wait a bit.
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That sucks, I don't have any of those problems myself though.
I experienced HTCs upgrade path for the original Desire and think they have done a much better job on the Incredible S.
I agree.. Not very well scaled graphics.. And too big font.
For my taste the 2.1 with "ardesia" skin has been one of the best interface ever.
In addition I hate to put that tiny green phone into the circle to reply a call.
Just asked to customer service how to come back to the 2.3.3 waiting the next (I hope) upgrade.
Unfortunately no "official" solution for that.
Why dont you go for ARHD? It's exactly same as sensation. xD
Where can I download the official rooted of this Rom?
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Where can I download the official rooted of this Rom?
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I know of 2 people (myself included) who have attempted to produce a rooted version of the official 2.3.5/Sense 3.0 RUU/ROM but have not been successful when flashed to phones using the older HBOOT versions. The ROM will install, but will not boot past the HTC screen and you have to pull the battery.
It appears that the ROM may now be checking the HBOOT version and may not run on older HBOOT versions.
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Where can I download the official rooted of this Rom?
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Take a look at Android Revolution HD thread on development forum.
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Can you do it?
Folks over at sgs2 have been trying to port it over for quite sometime now. I doubt you will see it anytime soon. Besides do you really want sense?
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Yes, I want Sence I've had so many HTC with Sense and like it especially 3.5.
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Folks over at sgs2 have been trying to port it over for quite sometime now. I doubt you will see it anytime soon. Besides do you really want sense?
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Do i want sense? Yes, Its great! Touchwiz is not as refined.
Sense features i miss
The great Audio player, Better than power amp (In my opinion)
Fantastic lockscreen (customizable)
Great People, weather and calendar widgets
Perfect Dialpad
Well designed SMS and email client
And all the other sense themed widgets.
I know i lot of these features can be added with apps from the market, But none i have found so far have the Tidy uniform look of sense. Parts of touchwiz look like they have been made by a colour blind monkey! Also one of my biggest gripes with touchwiz is the lockscreen (poor animation, lack of customization and sometimes unresponsive) If i try to use a different lockscreen, NoLED stops working, which i like because the lack of a physical notification LED.
So far i have tried-
SPB shell 3D - expensive, and still needs some work for are device, but looks cool. More looks over substance
Launcher Pro - Its OK, just basic
Go laucher, Go Locker, Go Contacts - Good attempt, just not as refined and not optimized for the screen resolution of the note
The note, hardware wise, is the best Phone (yes it is a phone) I have owned. Personally i feel touchwiz needs some work.
Now others may love touhwiz, So i do not want this thread to turn into a fanboi thread of either way! This is just my opinion, its not intended to irritate anybody.
For one, i would love to see a sense rom for such great hardware!
Overall i like the note, and with any luck ICS will null my gripes.
Sorry to OP if i have hijacked this thread, Just sparked all my (common) sense thoughts off at once
Also best place for questions is the Q&A section.
Take it easy
O_G
MacRoy said:
Can you do it?
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no wont be done
For me TouchWiz and Sense is same ****. Go Launcher is normal. Holo is the best launcher I ever use. I hope samsung will not forget or ignore about this.
It was hard to get used to touchwiz after Htv Sense for first few days. I tried to find similar widgets to make it more look and function like htc sense. Then as more I get used to touchwiz the less I hated it. If I had a choice I would still prefer htc sense as already mentioned it is pretty well designed graphically and functionally out of the box. But I discover some touchwiz features missing in htc sense too. For instance uninstalling apps right from the app drawer is awesome just as practical as uninstalling on iphone. Samsung touchwiz seems to have it all as separate widgets and os wise but they are not as a whole package in terms of visual integrity and not as functional as sense considering each app separately. Some of features like remote tracking is not even in default rom unless you add them urself later which takes some research to even find out it's even possible. HTC sense serves it all as a whole package , even the navigating software you can purchase it right from the htc location widget and it is adapted to rest of widgets. Contact integration from different accounts like facebook, google, twitter etc is merged automatically on htc sense by choice which is missing on touchwiz. You have to add your htcsense user id and pass only once on Sense and it is recognized automatically on related apps like "htc likes" but on touchwiz you have to add your samsung account each time again and again for apps like "samsung apps" etc... Considering outstanding hardware features of Gnote I have no intension to go back to htc just for sense as none of their devices are even close to gnote recently but I would definitely like to see samsung engineers put more effort on improving touchwiz in terms of compatible graphic design, integrated all-in features , user friendly ui to make it more competitive against htc sense which seems to be only superiority of htc devices still left.
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Not going to happen people. Have you EVER seen a non HTC device with Sense? Correct, and that won't change.
Moto Milestone had sense port
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Im surprised it took 4 months for this kind of thread to pop up. I will never understand the ram hogging hype. It reminds me of iphone users bragging about a million apps so they can swipe the screen from left to right doing nothing.
But all in all we are using android which gives us plenty of options. If a clone of sense doesnt work. Theres always that option of making it yourself.
I swore launcher pro widgets were a exact replica of htc sense. Matched up with a theme and it was good to go. Plus that customizable widget app that did more things then htc lockscreen. But im guessing this isnt good enough.
Sense used to be great and now it's just too bloated
Thanks for the responses. I guess its each to here own. Now i have been assigned to this forum, i shall put this thread in its correct place.
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sense just has the best dialer avaible. the touchwiz dialer just doesnt find if i search for "uiop" and there is clearly a "qwertz uiop" in the contacts. sense dialer finds that.
aldo the touchwiz keyboard is odd... long press makes caps lock chars... sense gives you signs like "+ -*& %". i solved that with swiftkey x... but for the dialer theres no replacement right now. ex dialer is the closest but it needs 10 seconds or more to load the call log. thats not acceptable.
i like that the phone features of a phone are excelent, not just satisfiyng.
Why are there two of the exact same thread..?
From the exact same person..
Sense is an abomination, why would you want to buy the fastest phone available just to bog it down with bloatware, reducing it to a level of performance of a 1GHz single-core? But, to each his own - sadly, no way to make a Sense rom for a non-HTC device, if only for legality reasons. Sense is, at least partly, proprietary code.
Sense is the best out of the box android UI. Period.
I've just recently got my Galaxy Note and I'll admit I do miss the sense from my HTC Desire HD. Personally, it seems more intuitive when it comes to shortcuts, integration and it is visually appealing. However, I know it slows down the phone as it did that to my HTC Desire HD, especially when I updated to the latest sense. It's very laggy and the amount of animations are completely unnecessary. I don't need an animation of the page swivelling onto the screen when unlocking the phone. I'll miss the ease of access to certain things, but I want to get use to touchwiz.
There is an option to get Sense 3.0 or 3.5
Hi All,
there is an easier way to get sense plus even more ....
that is the only phone HTC HD2
you can get it cheap on ebay aution...
like mine had... and you love it, it flash from WM6.5 to WP7 to android .. to Ubuntu.... and more ...
wilson_sony said:
Hi All,
there is an easier way to get sense plus even more ....
that is the only phone HTC HD2
you can get it cheap on ebay aution...
like mine had... and you love it, it flash from WM6.5 to WP7 to android .. to Ubuntu.... and more ...
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LOL! You come to a Note forum to suggest an HD2? A phone that's so inferior it's not even funny?
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Zamboney said:
LOL! You come to a Note forum to suggest an HD2? A phone that's so inferior it's not even funny?
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Sometimes HD2 with sense onboard acts smoother than Note with TW.
So if you want Sense, HD2 is your perfect choice.
Its hardly possible to port Sense to Note or other non-HTC devices.
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It's themeing! Honestly I like the holo look of ics. I also like the textured look of sense. And it seems while sense 4 is just as intrusive as previous versions, they redid the graphics and tweaked in ics features to blend quite well with the holo elements in tact. However this isn't the case with 3.6. 3.6 really is just a tweaked 3.5 designed to work with ics. Problem is there are 2 themes present here. A lot of menus your seeing holo elements and but you still have textured borders of old sense everywhere in the ui. The result is a ui with a loss of identity. You can install custom skins that help but they still leave a lot of textured sense borders that can't be removed as the skins only go so deep.
I will say overall I like sense and buying an HTC phone I didn't expect AOSP. I think if they couldn't give us 4 than 3.6 should of at least been designed better to blend in with holo elements. And one thing I don't get about HTC is they always remove the overscroll effect. I'm going to root my phone soon and first order or business will be fixing the themeing. I dunno if ill put a custom Rom on yet just want more theming control to start. Imo I don't want a pure senseless Rom as I do like sense
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Are you going to make a theme?
I dunno, it's one thing to root and tweak with the graphics, it's another to make a cwm theme. I'm not a developer... Yet
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Nice wording man, I like the "yet" part... It's definitely an interesting community! Ever since I joined, I've installed Ubuntu on my Core i7 Dell laptop along with Android 4.0.1 on VirtualBox, I really hope to get involved in the dev community myself in the future.
Yeah I've been pressed for time but I've been wanting to learn how to develop for my HTC Flyer tablet and my Vivid. With the Flyer its creating a better stock launcher that interest me as with it being on honeycomb and support being cut off from htc, there aren't a whole lot of choices. For this phone its cleaning up the stock rom and allowing ics and Sense 3.6 to coexist in perfect harmony. No promises on anything yet
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Cor-master said:
Yeah I've been pressed for time but I've been wanting to learn how to develop for my HTC Flyer tablet and my Vivid. With the Flyer its creating a better stock launcher that interest me as with it being on honeycomb and support being cut off from htc, there aren't a whole lot of choices. For this phone its cleaning up the stock rom and allowing ics and Sense 3.6 to coexist in perfect harmony. No promises on anything yet
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I don't consider my self a dev either...yet
But I do have some experience with the development on the Samsung infuse (which you can tell by my Sig)
I've been trying to mess with the stock rom for a while now with no luck...I just can't seem to get any apktool to work with stock ics of this device, and after a little research it seems sense 3.6 is the problem, but I have yet to find a solution
I've asked a few times for help on decompiling for the vivid but have gotten no response...I'm not trying to discourage you all i wanna get across is that if you have any success...please share the knowledge with me
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Yeah htc makes someone nice devices but they aren't developer devices for sure. I'll let you know once I get involved in it what I can do might be why most flash the sense removed roms as its all or none.
Yeah overall I like sense 3.6 just hate the theme clashing. Good example is hitting the search button. All of a sudden your not using sense 3.6 anymore, your now using aosp android! I think I remember reading Google required a certain percentage of holo elements for market access, and I think htc kept that in mind in redesigning sense from the ground up with the one series. But when it came time to upgrade what they had they just basically ported 3.5 over and added a few ics features into the launcher. HTC claims that 4.0 is too different from 3.5 and earlier and previous users need familiarity but Imo if you've played with a one x its all pretty familiar. 3.6 overall was a bad call
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My one major gripe with Sense is the lack of changing things. I'd like to be able to (without using LauncherPro) tell it "I want 5 columns, and 6 rows of icons, on top of the 5 at the bottom. (so a total of 7 rows of icons, 5 columns)"
It WORKS well, just see some photo's I've posted in recent days.
_Allan_ said:
My one major gripe with Sense is the lack of changing things. I'd like to be able to (without using LauncherPro) tell it "I want 5 columns, and 6 rows of icons, on top of the 5 at the bottom. (so a total of 7 rows of icons, 5 columns)"
It WORKS well, just see some photo's I've posted in recent days.
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I hear ya, but thats all stock launchers including the google one. Sense 3.6 has some of the best customization for stock I've seen, but it still pales in comparison to say ADW EX, Go Launcher, or Apex.
alright...for the longest time ive been trying to use apktool with the "att stock ics for chefs or whatever" never had luck...today i decided to try apktool with an old download of 0.9 holics rom, to my surprise apktool works with it-i was able to install framework, decompile, recompile...it all worked!
so im wondering if maybe the stock ics wasnt properly deodexed, or maybe with holics rom something special was done? when i get the time im gonna try contacting bananacakes and see if maybe he can help me set up a stock base, or possibly use a stock base he may have laying around...ive tried making my own stock rom in the past from the RUU but got the same errors as the att stock rom for chefs...
Hi Guys, I've recently moved to HTC One and I find it bothersome that HTC just got rid of messaging widget... (other widgets too, but mostly SMS...)
Is there any good soul dev who could be bothered to port it back to sense 5? Say from Droid DNA, to preserve the density?
It would be a lifesaver (just spent two hours browsing any trying widgets from Play, but they just don't cut it..)
Thanks!
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So many topics here, I thought I'd bump this one as I think many people miss it...
I have hunted high and low for the answer to this but it's a mistery to me. Within the new sense 5.5 android 4.3 ZeroEditing.apk the old themes still exist. They are all still present on my phone within Android/data but when in the gallery app under video highlights there are no options for either the old themes or the themes music Avalon etc. Only the new ones. Surely HTC haven't removed the old ones have they? The apk itself still has code in it for them. I don't get it.. or am I missing something?
Thanks in advance.
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BUMP!
No-one else got this issue at all???
I've looked at the code more and the new themes replace the old ones in some of the code. I'm sure they can be pulled through again but it'll take me a while as I'm not that experienced with app developing.
Anyone know if someone has done this yet?