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[Q] Cost of Unlock Bootloader

Heard you have to pay for this, can anyone tell me the cost?
Looking to buy this phone so couldnt login and check

dpaine88 said:
Heard you have to pay for this, can anyone tell me the cost?
Looking to buy this phone so couldnt login and check
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There's no financial cost to unlock your boot loader, its free.
Sent on my Moto X

Thanks for your reply.
I was going off a FAQ in the General section
Please note, In order to flash any custom Recoveries, you need to have unlocked Bootloader. Barring the open Bounty, the only viable option right now is to buy an unlock code from Motorola.
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is this incorrect?

dpaine88 said:
Thanks for your reply.
I was going off a FAQ in the General section
is this incorrect?
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Motorola does not charge you for the boot loader unlocking code, the only cost is your warranty if you do not have a developer edition.
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You can only unlock on VZW and AT&T if you get the developer edition, and the cost is $50 more than the standard device.
Sent from my Moto X

imnuts said:
You can only unlock on VZW and AT&T if you get the developer edition, and the cost is $50 more than the standard device.
Sent from my Moto X
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So if you just get the regular one, you are stuck with the stock ROM?
Also, is it possible to get the VZW dev edition? I just went through the whole Moto Maker process and didn't see anything about developer edition.

dpaine88 said:
So if you just get the regular one, you are stuck with the stock ROM?
Also, is it possible to get the VZW dev edition? I just went through the whole Moto Maker process and didn't see anything about developer edition.
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Developer editions aren't eligible for MotoMaker.

The unlock process it free, but as mentioned, it is not currently possible to unlock a non dev Verizon or Att model and the Dev models are not available through Moto Maker. If you're looking at another carrier then VZW or ATT you can unlock from what I read, but since theyre not DEV editions you lose your warranty.

nhizzat said:
Developer editions aren't eligible for MotoMaker.
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I really wish they were, I went locked version due to this.

dpaine88 said:
Thanks for your reply.
I was going off a FAQ in the General section
is this incorrect?
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I'm pretty sure they're referring to the SIM carrier lock. Correct me if I'm wrong folks.

I have a Verizon Dev edition with my boot loader unlocked. And I did not have to pay for a unlock key.

[Q] What are the advantages of Dev Edition?

What are the advantages, if any, of the Moto X Developer Edition? Right now it is a $50 premium for the dev edition, but if I can accomplish the same thing on my own with a regular Moto X, is it really worth the extra $50?

coreno said:
What are the advantages, if any, of the Moto X Developer Edition? Right now it is a $50 premium for the dev edition, but if I can accomplish the same thing on my own with a regular Moto X, is it really worth the extra $50?
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the only thing you will see is it allows you to unlock the bootloader which makes rooting possible on all OTA's because you can just flash a customer recovery.
also when you unlock the bootloader on a consumer Moto X you void warranty when you do it on a DE Moto X it dose not.

dray_jr said:
the only thing you will see is it allows you to unlock the bootloader which makes rooting possible on all OTA's because you can just flash a customer recovery.
also when you unlock the bootloader on a consumer Moto X you void warranty when you do it on a DE Moto X it dose not.
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Also, you get 32gb vs 16gb of storage.

The Dev Edition is also 32 GB, so it's actually the same price as the 32 GB carrier edition.

Can you do a full nandroid on the regular edition?
Also, I've read on twitter the non-dev edition may be locked down for good on 4.4.2.
If you want root, you may as well get the Dev edition to guarantee it.
Sent from my Dev Edition Moto X

coreno said:
What are the advantages, if any, of the Moto X Developer Edition? Right now it is a $50 premium for the dev edition, but if I can accomplish the same thing on my own with a regular Moto X, is it really worth the extra $50?
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If you don't care about the astheitcs then yes it's worth it!! You get an unlocked bootloader ANd Motorola will still backup up the warranty. As to what extent they will back the warranty you would have to ask customer service.
Hope that helps

Schaweet said:
Can you do a full nandroid on the regular edition?
Also, I've read on twitter the non-dev edition may be locked down for good on 4.4.2.
If you want root, you may as well get the Dev edition to guarantee it.
Sent from my Dev Edition Moto X
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Yes you can do a nandroid on any moto with a unlocked boot loader
No we are not locked in anymore than you are , the new bootloader 30.b4 can not be downgrade , that goes also for developer editions
There's no differences between de and regular editions with a unlocked booloader. The differences are the warranty, our warranty is void as soon as we unlock as yours is still valid
Firmware is exactly the same
Sent on my Gummy running Lenoto X

Schaweet said:
Can you do a full nandroid on the regular edition?
Also, I've read on twitter the non-dev edition may be locked down for good on 4.4.2.
If you want root, you may as well get the Dev edition to guarantee it.
Sent from my Dev Edition Moto X
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There is a thread linking to Moto's site where you can unlock bootloader's on non DE devices but it removes your warranty.

drago10029 said:
There is a thread linking to Moto's site where you can unlock bootloader's on non DE devices but it removes your warranty.
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I wish they allowed the Verizon version to be unlocked

flashallthetime said:
Yes you can do a nandroid on any moto with a unlocked boot loader
No we are not locked in anymore than you are , the new bootloader 30.b4 can not be downgrade , that goes also for developer editions
There's no differences between de and regular editions with a unlocked booloader. The differences are the warranty, our warranty is void as soon as we unlock as yours is still valid
Firmware is exactly the same
Sent on my Gummy running Lenoto X
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Hahaha....thats not what I meant. I meant a regular AT&T and Verizon Edition.
Sent from my Dev Edition Moto X
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Mayze23 said:
I wish they allowed the Verizon version to be unlocked
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Maybe you should have purchased the the Dev Edition. It's not like it was a secret that VZW would lock down their bootloader. They always do.
Sent from my Dev Edition Moto X

flashallthetime said:
Yes you can do a nandroid on any moto with a unlocked boot loader
No we are not locked in anymore than you are , the new bootloader 30.b4 can not be downgrade , that goes also for developer editions
There's no differences between de and regular editions with a unlocked booloader. The differences are the warranty, our warranty is void as soon as we unlock as yours is still valid
Firmware is exactly the same
Sent on my Gummy running Lenoto X
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Why would someone want to downgrade the bootloader?
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Hahaha....thats not what I meant. I meant a regular AT&T and Verizon Edition.
Sent from my Dev Edition Moto X
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Maybe you should have purchased the the Dev Edition. It's not like it was a secret that VZW would lock down their bootloader. They always do.
Sent from my Dev Edition Moto X
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The Verizon regular edition can't be unlocked?

coreno said:
Why would someone want to downgrade the bootloader?
The Verizon regular edition can't be unlocked?
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No it cannot be unlocked. Neither can the AT&T version. You have to get the Dev Edition.
Sent from my Dev Edition Moto X

coreno said:
Why would someone want to downgrade the bootloader?
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The bigger question would be why would someone want to downgrade the firmware as each new firmware release "upgrades" the bootloader. So it appears that once you accept a firmware update on your phone there's no going back. If there is something about the update you can't tolerate you appeared to be screwed, even with a dev ed. At least that's what I'm piecing together. I have a VZ dev ed and will try to flash the modem and system files to see what happens when 4.4.2 comes out as I'd like to keep my options open if for some reason I want to downgrade. FWIW, I've been on android since the original droid and never felt compelled to downgrade but like the warm and fuzzy feeling of knowing that I can if I want.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

edthesped said:
The bigger question would be why would someone want to downgrade the firmware as each new firmware release "upgrades" the bootloader. So it appears that once you accept a firmware update on your phone there's no going back. If there is something about the update you can't tolerate you appeared to be screwed, even with a dev ed. At least that's what I'm piecing together. I have a VZ dev ed and will try to flash the modem and system files to see what happens when 4.4.2 comes out as I'd like to keep my options open if for some reason I want to downgrade. FWIW, I've been on android since the original droid and never felt compelled to downgrade but like the warm and fuzzy feeling of knowing that I can if I want.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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4.4.2 isn't out on vzw yet? When it does come out, it sounds like it should be possible to flash it without flashing the bootloader? What effect does the bootloader have on custom roms?
Sorry for some of the newb questions, but my Galaxy Nexus didn't have any issues/concerns with the bootloader that I'm aware of. It was just flash whatever and go.

coreno said:
4.4.2 isn't out on vzw yet? When it does come out, it sounds like it should be possible to flash it without flashing the bootloader? What effect does the bootloader have on custom roms?
Sorry for some of the newb questions, but my Galaxy Nexus didn't have any issues/concerns with the bootloader that I'm aware of. It was just flash whatever and go.
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Ok forget about any former product you've had previously.
Moto is completely different when it comes to boot loaders.
Pm me please, I do not want to explain Why on a open thread as someone will hard brick their device. I gave a thread that's stickied regarding boot loaders and there's an example of why you should not run the 4.4 system while on the 4.4.2 bootloader
Here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2635366
Sent on my Gummy running Lenoto X

flashallthetime said:
Ok forget about any former product you've had previously.
Moto is completely different when it comes to boot loaders.
Pm me please, I do not want to explain Why on a open thread as someone will hard brick their device. I gave a thread that's stickied regarding boot loaders and there's an example of why you should not run the 4.4 system while on the 4.4.2 bootloader
Here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2635366
Sent on my Gummy running Lenoto X
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Okay, what about running 4.4.2 system on 4.4 boot loader? When 4.4.2 hits BMW I plan on flashing system and modem files only. I figure worst case I'll bout loop and will have to reinstall 4.4 then decide if it's worth moving forward. I have a custom recovery so I can't accept an ota.
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Okay, what about running 4.4.2 system on 4.4 boot loader? When 4.4.2 hits VZW I plan on flashing system and modem files only. I figure worst case I'll bout loop and will have to reinstall 4.4 then decide if it's worth moving forward. I have a custom recovery so I can't accept an ota.
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Sorry for the double post i was trying to fix auto correct. I swear i turned it off.
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edthesped said:
Okay, what about running 4.4.2 system on 4.4 boot loader? When 4.4.2 hits BMW I plan on flashing system and modem files only. I figure worst case I'll bout loop and will have to reinstall 4.4 then decide if it's worth moving forward. I have a custom recovery so I can't accept an ota.
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Sorry for the double post i was trying to fix auto correct. I swear i turned it off.
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Sent on my Lenoto A2109 tablet

flashallthetime said:
there's an example of why you should not run the 4.4 system while on the 4.4.2 bootloader
Here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2635366
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No. That is an example of why you shouldn't try to downgrade your bootloader. That person's problem was NOT that he was running an old system. It was that he was running a two-versions-old system and then tried to take an OTA meant to upgrade a bootloader from two-versions-old to one-version-old (i.e. 4.2.2 bootloader to 4.4 bootloader but he was already running 4.4.2 bootloader) -- which all translates into he was (however inadvertently) trying to downgrade his bootloader from 4.4.2 version to 4.4

piccit said:
No. That is an example of why you shouldn't try to downgrade your bootloader. That person's problem was NOT that he was running an old system. It was that he was running a two-versions-old system and then tried to take an OTA meant to upgrade a bootloader from two-versions-old to one-version-old (i.e. 4.2.2 bootloader to 4.4 bootloader but he was already running 4.4.2 bootloader) -- which all translates into he was (however inadvertently) trying to downgrade his bootloader from 4.4.2 version to 4.4
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He was trying to do something that should be done, my point was to give people a example of what happens if your boot loaders is 4.4.2 and your system file is on 4.4 and you accept the ota, that simple.
Sent on my Lenoto A2109 tablet

flashallthetime said:
...to give people a example of what happens if your boot loaders is 4.4.2 and your system file is on 4.4 and you accept the ota, that simple.
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it was running on 4.4.2 software, then i downgrade to 4.2.2. all was fine, but OTA killed it.
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Again, no. His problem was from running 4.2.2.
I don't feel like finding the posts, but others have reported success being on 4.4.2, reflashing 4.4 system + recovery, and taking the 4.4->4.4.2 OTA without problems

moto X developer question

i found a moto X developer and will this work on the att network and i hope someone can help me out?
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 (Quadband) UMTS 850/900/1900/2100

According to this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moto_X#Variants
The Moto X model XT-1053 is the unlocked Developer Edition phone and does work on AT&T. The bands area also listed there.

thank for the help.
So i have to download the moto X developer image for att right?

perlsyntax said:
thank for the help.
So i have to download the moto X developer image for att right?
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Yes that appears to be correct. I do not have a Developer Edition, but there is only one set of images for Verizon, which does have a DE device available. The firmware is the same, to my understanding, but the bootloader is able to be unlocked officially via the Motorola website.
Here are the firmwares you'll want. Ensure that if you pick one, you can only go UP in version, not down. So verify which version is on the phone first. You can only flash that version or a higher version (upgrading) but cannot downgrade to an older version. That will cause problems.
http://sbf.droid-developers.org/phone.php?device=0

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Nemosfate said:
You want one of these UNLESS you're on 4.4.4 then you'll have to get it from Motorola.
I have the xt1053 developers edition and it works just fine on at&t , that's what I'm using
root, roms, and themes.. oh my!
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What about the XT1060DEV is this the Verzion phone or the gsm one?

perlsyntax said:
What about the XT1060DEV is this the Verzion phone or the gsm one?
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XT1060 is the model for Verizon.

Google what bands it uses. Then compare to what at&t uses. I've seen in here people using it on tmo Idk about at&t. As far as which version to mix with your phone I'll bow out to someone with more experience with that
Edit: and next time you post make sure you put what MODEL phone you have and the software version. Would've saved some time possibly.
root, roms, and themes.. oh my!

Nemosfate said:
Google what bands it uses. Then compare to what at&t uses. I've seen in here people using it on tmo Idk about at&t. As far as which version to mix with your phone I'll bow out to someone with more experience with that
Edit: and next time you post make sure you put what MODEL phone you have and the software version. Would've saved some time possibly.
root, roms, and themes.. oh my!
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Sorry about that.I hear the samething it work with t-mobile.

No problem.. And I know there's a thread somewhere with this info in it.. So a search and see if you can find it.. Good luck
root, roms, and themes.. oh my!

[Q] Where to buy

Ok,
Ive gone the distance to find this simple answer and its just not finding me.
I have a Moto X 2013 Dev Edition and want to buy the unlocked Pure Edition Moto X 2014 2nd Generation for use on Verizon. Unlike when I purchased my 1st Gen Dev Edition from the developer section of the Motorola website, I cant find where the hell to buy the actual phone!!! A link would be nice.
I can find it on Swappa and on eBay but not from Motorola.
What the hell am I missing?
Thanks

SR3TLAW said:
What the hell am I missing?
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There is no Verizon Pure Edition. You cannot unlock the bootloader of any MX14 that will run on Verizon. Instead, we use MoFo to root the XT1096.
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SR3TLAW said:
I can find it on Swappa and on eBay but not from Motorola.
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You cannot find a Pure Edition MX14 for Verizon on swappa or ebay b/c none exists.
The MX14 PE is XT1095 and it only has GSM radios, no CDMA radios so it won't work on Verizon.

JulesJam said:
There is no Verizon Pure Edition. You cannot unlock the bootloader of any MX14 that will run on Verizon. Instead, we use MoFo to root the XT1096.
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You cannot find a Pure Edition MX14 for Verizon on swappa or ebay b/c none exists.
The MX14 PE is XT1095 and it only has GSM radios, no CDMA radios so it won't work on Verizon.
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To clarify:
A Pure Edition does exist and can be purchased through Motorola but not for use on Verizon. If this is true I still haven't come across a link to purchase.
If I want to purchase a 2nd Gen Moto X and have bootloader unlocked what are my options?

SR3TLAW said:
A Pure Edition does exist and can be purchased through Motorola but not for use on Verizon.
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Correct. It does not have any CDMA radios in it.
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If this is true
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It is true.
SR3TLAW said:
I still haven't come across a link to purchase.
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You have to make it on motomaker like all of the other MX14. Design your device, then select Unlocked SIM.
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If I want to purchase a 2nd Gen Moto X and have bootloader unlocked what are my options?
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Pure Edition. It doesn't work on Verizon though.

@JulesJam
You the man, thanks for the clarification. My final question: as of now, if I were to go to Verizon and purchase MX14 at no contract price, would I be able to root and unlock bootloader?

SR3TLAW said:
My final question: as of now, if I were to go to Verizon and purchase MX14 at no contract price, would I be able to root and unlock bootloader?
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As I stated above, you cannot unlock the bootloader of any MX14 that will run on Verizon. Instead, we use MoFo to root the XT1096.
If you want to know more about MoFo, you can read my noob guide.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-2014/general/noob-guide-rooting-verizon-moto-x-2014-t3097375

SR3TLAW said:
To clarify:
If I want to purchase a 2nd Gen Moto X and have bootloader unlocked what are my options?
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Your option is to change carriers.

Red_81 said:
Your option is to change carriers.
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MoFo works fine. We can debloat, use Xposed, Adaway, Busy Box, SQLite and anything else people want to bake into the image. You can run a custom ROM, you just have to make it yourself.
The only thing we can't do is run a custom kernel or recovery.

XT1060 Bootloader unlock

Hi just wondering if i buy this phone http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Blac...41?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item280344d421
Will i be able to unlock the bootloader? assuming it's not verizon if coming from hong kong or would i be wrong? cheers

I'm guessing the "unlocked" in the title means SIM unlocked. If it isn't a developer edition, your only chance to unlock the bootloader is Sunshine.

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I'm guessing the "unlocked" in the title means SIM unlocked. If it isn't a developer edition, your only chance to unlock the bootloader is Sunshine.
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Would this still hold true given that this is coming from Asia? or are all xt1060s locked aside from the dev model?

As far as I'm aware, yes.
Sent from my Nexus 6

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If it isn't a developer edition, your only chance to unlock the bootloader is Sunshine.
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Do you mean that Sunshine might eventually work to unlock the bootloader on XT1060s? or is it working right now?
(I know I can check by just running the app on the phone, but I don't own the phone yet either, was considering buying one)
EDIT: just did a little more research, seems like sunshine will work for XT1060s if it hasn't been upgraded to 4.4.4 . If anyone knows otherwise, please correct me.

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Would this still hold true given that this is coming from Asia? or are all xt1060s locked aside from the dev model?
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I'm not aware of the XT1060 being sold by any other carriers that Verizon in the USA. All Verizon XT1060's are SIM Unlocked (aka carrier unlocked) due to FCC 700mhz C-Block rules.
Moto only gave out the Bootloader unlock code for the Developer Edition XT1060. Sunshine will work so long as the phone is on 4.4.2 and has NEVER been flashed with 4.4.4 or higher.

KidJoe said:
I'm not aware of the XT1060 being sold by any other carriers that Verizon in the USA. All Verizon XT1060's are SIM Unlocked (aka carrier unlocked) due to FCC 700mhz C-Block rules.
Moto only gave out the Bootloader unlock code for the Developer Edition XT1060. Sunshine will work so long as the phone is on 4.4.2 and has NEVER been flashed with 4.4.4 or higher.
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i used the motorola unlock your bootloader site to unlock a xt1060 4.2.2 non dev edition, was this customary or did i just get lucky?
kidjoe every thing i know about the 2013 x ive pretty much learned from you, thanks!

hugh a said:
i used the motorola unlock your bootloader site to unlock a xt1060 4.2.2 non dev edition, was this customary or did i just get lucky?
kidjoe every thing i know about the 2013 x ive pretty much learned from you, thanks!
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It was either just lucky, or you used the China Middle Seller/Middle man that was available long ago and not Moto's web site.

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It was either just lucky, or you used the China Middle Seller/Middle man that was available long ago and not Moto's web site.
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i for sure used the motorola website on non dev deition 1060, now i try every x that passes through, some times i think that site may have flaws