Basically have been looking for a few weeks now. I am looking for something to replace my appleTV3, since 1. It is not jailbreakable, and 2. I have shifted from apple phones to android.
Now here is what I am looking for.
1: I would like a device that is powerful enough to run emulator's such as FPSE and N64...and runs well and allow use of wireless DS3
2: I would like to run XBMC
3: I want to mirror mine, or my wife's android (Galaxy S4, Note 3).....or at least be able to sling pictures and videos to it.
4. This may or may not be a deal breaker, but would really like to use my phone to control it. If not remote would be ok.
5. .MKV 1080p stream from something like an external hard drive.
There are so many devices out there, that I feel like there are to many choices that could go wrong, expecially with support on devices. But also would like the device to be powerful enough, but still fit within my budget. Ouya is the last thing I was looking at, but not sure how much I could accomplish that I am after, especially knowing that raspberry pi devices can be stronger. But weaker on gaming aspect.
Thanks for any feedback, pos or neg. My budget is $100, but I may be able to stretch (a little).
AnthomX said:
Basically have been looking for a few weeks now. I am looking for something to replace my appleTV3, since 1. It is not jailbreakable, and 2. I have shifted from apple phones to android.
Now here is what I am looking for.
1: I would like a device that is powerful enough to run emulator's such as FPSE and N64...and runs well and allow use of wireless DS3
2: I would like to run XBMC
3: I want to mirror mine, or my wife's android (Galaxy S4, Note 3).....or at least be able to sling pictures and videos to it.
4. This may or may not be a deal breaker, but would really like to use my phone to control it. If not remote would be ok.
5. .MKV 1080p stream from something like an external hard drive.
There are so many devices out there, that I feel like there are to many choices that could go wrong, expecially with support on devices. But also would like the device to be powerful enough, but still fit within my budget. Ouya is the last thing I was looking at, but not sure how much I could accomplish that I am after, especially knowing that raspberry pi devices can be stronger. But weaker on gaming aspect.
Thanks for any feedback, pos or neg. My budget is $100, but I may be able to stretch (a little).
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1. Not sure if the Pi is powerful enough to run emulators...
2. XBMC runs pretty good on the Pi with more lightweight skins.
3. Works pretty good with UPnP enabled on the Pi.
4. Yatse is a free app that works really good with XBMC.
5. I stream mkv 1080p both on my networ and from external hd. Even sizes up to and over 20 gb.
AnthomX said:
Basically have been looking for a few weeks now. I am looking for something to replace my appleTV3, since 1. It is not jailbreakable, and 2. I have shifted from apple phones to android.
Now here is what I am looking for.
1: I would like a device that is powerful enough to run emulator's such as FPSE and N64...and runs well and allow use of wireless DS3
2: I would like to run XBMC
3: I want to mirror mine, or my wife's android (Galaxy S4, Note 3).....or at least be able to sling pictures and videos to it.
4. This may or may not be a deal breaker, but would really like to use my phone to control it. If not remote would be ok.
5. .MKV 1080p stream from something like an external hard drive.
There are so many devices out there, that I feel like there are to many choices that could go wrong, expecially with support on devices. But also would like the device to be powerful enough, but still fit within my budget. Ouya is the last thing I was looking at, but not sure how much I could accomplish that I am after, especially knowing that raspberry pi devices can be stronger. But weaker on gaming aspect.
Thanks for any feedback, pos or neg. My budget is $100, but I may be able to stretch (a little).
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I'm using one of my 3 Pi's as a raspbmc server. It works with my TV remote and my phone as a remote. Raspbmc is IMO the best of the XBMC OS choices for the Pi. You will not be able to run FPSE and N64 or other emulators on Raspbmc however because it does not have an OS shell, it just has the XBMC interface and you can ssh into it with putty from another computer.
I will warn you however that if you plan to use netflix on it you will need to use a streaming service from your PC. I am using PlayOn to give Netflix/Hulu and 80 or so other channels to my Raspbmc server. Netflix does not run without this on the Pi because lack of Silverlight. If you have any other questions post here and I'll try to answer them.
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Nypan sr said:
1. Not sure if the Pi is powerful enough to run emulators...
2. XBMC runs pretty good on the Pi with more lightweight skins.
3. Works pretty good with UPnP enabled on the Pi.
4. Yatse is a free app that works really good with XBMC.
5. I stream mkv 1080p both on my networ and from external hd. Even sizes up to and over 20 gb.
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Pi runs emulators very well however you won't be able to do emulators on the same Pi as your Raspbmc server. You could buy a second Pi and install Raspbian on it with MAME and whatever other emulators you like. My avatar is a picture of two of my Pi's in a Pibow case with PiGlow boards.
AnthomX said:
1: I would like a device that is powerful enough to run emulator's such as FPSE and N64...and runs well and allow use of wireless DS3
2: I would like to run XBMC
3: I want to mirror mine, or my wife's android (Galaxy S4, Note 3).....or at least be able to sling pictures and videos to it.
4. This may or may not be a deal breaker, but would really like to use my phone to control it. If not remote would be ok.
5. .MKV 1080p stream from something like an external hard drive.
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I think you would be better off getting an android HTPC. There are android apps that will do everything you want and you'll get better performance than the Pi can offer.
1) I doubt the Pi is powerful enough to emulate with acceptable gameplay. Android has a dualshock controller app called Sixaxis Controller that probably does what you want but it isn't free.
2) There is an XBMC build available for Android.
3) Miracast has been including in android since 4.2. There are other ways to share pictures and videos to android as well.
4) There is a XBMC remote control app and you can use miracast for screen mirroring.
5) XBMC has you covered.
There are tons of hardware options available, I suggest looking through the forums and seeing what some of the more popular options are.
That's where I have been struggling is finding a popular device. Forums haven't been overly helpful but I am wondering if I'm looking in the wrong places.
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Well you're searching for something cheap, powerful and well supported. Those things usually don't go hand in hand. You can try building a HTPC out of low end hardware with integrated GPU, that way you can have a full x86 operating system.
Hmmm.. That's a fair point. Ok. So if I were to do the 2 Raspberry pi, which model would be recommended?
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Forums haven't been overly helpful but I am wondering if I'm looking in the wrong places.
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Not to be a jerk, but it doesn't appear you have done much research. I suspect the help you have been given here is more help than you have given yourself
In any case, hopefully my advice proves somewhat useful. From my understanding, if you do decide to go with a raspberry pi you won't have to buy 2 of them. Just use NOOBS (New Out Of Box Software) and you can have multiple operating systems on one sd card.
http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
I recommend getting the Model B since it has 512MB of RAM vs 256MB in the Model A. Also it has the ethernet port and dual USB populated on the PCB.
http://downloads.element14.com/raspberryPi1.html
Worse case scenario, the Pi is great for XBMC even if you find it can't do the emulation you want. Another device you may want to consider is the BeagleBone Black.
http://beagleboard.org/Products/BeagleBone%20Black
Best of luck!
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Not to be a jerk, but it doesn't appear you have done much research. I suspect the help you have been given here is more help than you have given yourself
In any case, hopefully my advice proves somewhat useful. From my understanding, if you do decide to go with a raspberry pi you won't have to buy 2 of them. Just use NOOBS (New Out Of Box Software) and you can have multiple operating systems on one sd card.
http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
I recommend getting the Model B since it has 512MB of RAM vs 256MB in the Model A. Also it has the ethernet port and dual USB populated on the PCB.
http://downloads.element14.com/raspberryPi1.html
Worse case scenario, the Pi is great for XBMC even if you find it can't do the emulation you want. Another device you may want to consider is the BeagleBone Black.
http://beagleboard.org/Products/BeagleBone%20Black
Best of luck!
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Jerk.....
JK, no I did a lot of research, but basically I came to the forum as a last resort, knowing the answer already, that at this point Pi is too weak.
But, I did find an alternate solution that worked wonderfully, hence my lack of paying attention to the boards. I had an old laptop that I had forgotten about. Reloaded windows 7, placed XBMC, emulators, PS3 controller, voila.....connect via HDMI, instant HTPC.
Thanks for the input though. I greatly appreciate it. I am going to get a Pi thought, because it has other uses.
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Hey there,
I just want to tell you that Android Transporter is out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PsLb-nDXUyQ
http://esrlabs.com/android-transporter-for-the-nexus-7-and-the-raspberry-pi/
I would love to check it right now. But working...
Would love to see some comments from someone who checked it out.
fryroyal said:
Hey there,
I just want to tell you that Android Transporter is out.
http://esrlabs.com/android-transporter-for-the-nexus-7-and-the-raspberry-pi/
I would love to check it right now. But working...
Would love to see some comments from someone who checked it out.
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Do you actually need a projector? And a Rasperry PI?
I don't quite understand this I think
Wilks3y said:
Do you actually need a projector? And a Rasperry PI?
I don't quite understand this I think
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It`s like a self made Nexus Q.
The Raspi is essential.
Every Screen would work which has a component or HDMI interface.
I think as long no Miracast or Nexus Q is available ìt`s awesome.
fryroyal said:
It`s like a self made Nexus Q.
The Raspi is essential.
Every Screen would work which has a component or HDMI interface.
I think as long no Miracast or Nexus Q is available ìt`s awesome.
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I would be willing to get a Rasperry pi to do it, but could you put a HDMI cable into the rasperry, and then plug that into the TV and do it that way?
Or is the Projector essential also?
THANKS MATE !
fryroyal said:
It`s like a self made Nexus Q.
The Raspi is essential.
Every Screen would work which has a component or HDMI interface.
I think as long no Miracast or Nexus Q is available ìt`s awesome.
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Is it really the same as the Nexus Q? My reason for wanting to buy a Nexus Q (which isn't available in the UK), is as a party jukebox music hub, but reading the Android Transformer website, it doesn't seem to do much other than movie streaming...
The closest I have found is PlayMySong Android app.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.playmysong.android&hl=en
However it's in rather a poor state of repair, the dev, a hipster it seems, focusing on Spotify...
Anyone know any alternatives?
What with miracast?
Wilks3y said:
I would be willing to get a Rasperry pi to do it, but could you put a HDMI cable into the rasperry, and then plug that into the TV and do it that way?
Or is the Projector essential also?
THANKS MATE !
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No projector needed. Any display with hdmi would do it too. Even old tv`s would work bacause of the component interface of the raspberry.
CrazyPeter said:
Is it really the same as the Nexus Q? My reason for wanting to buy a Nexus Q (which isn't available in the UK), is as a party jukebox music hub, but reading the Android Transformer website, it doesn't seem to do much other than movie streaming...
The closest I have found is PlayMySong Android app.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.playmysong.android&hl=en
However it's in rather a poor state of repair, the dev, a hipster it seems, focusing on Spotify...
Anyone know any alternatives?
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No it`s not the same as the Nexus Q. It`s just streaming the screen content from your nexus 7 to a display.
fryroyal said:
No projector needed. Any display with hdmi would do it too. Even old tv`s would work bacause of the component interface of the raspberry.
No it`s not the same as the Nexus Q. It`s just streaming the screen content from your nexus 7 to a display.
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Great thanks bud, currently bidding on a Raspberry Pi as we Speak
why do i need an extra firmware on my N7?
some software for windows/linux would be fine - already have a htpc.
I prefer using the YouTube app on the ps3 control by the nexus 7
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You need extra firmware because they are trying to get the lowest latency possible so it just being an app wouldn't do. Although they didn't mention gaming in the youtube demo so I assume in it's first version it isn't capable of that yet.
I'm hoping they (or someone) can make a patch for other roms and I also hope this becomes a common feature for all roms.
Yes this is very similar to miracast and they even said when the miracast spec is finalized, they will modify this to be in spec.
Yes you currently need a raspberry pi, but they might write a linux client down the road. Hopefully other projects start on that, maybe a windows client too.
cant you just twonky your photos/vids onto your tv
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You need extra firmware because they are trying to get the lowest latency possible so it just being an app wouldn't do.
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Ah ok, thank you!
I talked to the devs a couple months ago when it was only working on the Nexus S. They said you can capture the stream using VLC as well, but it is complicated to set up.
When I get my replacement N7 I'm definitely working on that!
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I'm surprised some people are dismissing this. The nexus Q only streams content that you have in google play, it streams nothing from your actual device. Twonky et al stream stuff to a media capable device (e.g ps3) in formats that the receiving device support. Your ps3 can't play that mkv file? Well it's not playing. ps3 doesn't support the subs you have? You're not going to see them. Want to stream a game to your ps3/tv? Not happening.
Think of this more like wireless hdmi. Whatever is on your device you can stream to your large display. It's basically miracast but it's available now. In their earlier demos they demo'd streaming games but I guess/assume they haven't gotten the latency low enough yet.
And as another mentioned, you may be able to stream to a pc with vlc or another player. The main thing is hardware decoding on the pc end for lowest latency. Not sure what decoder chip the pi has but if that was in a pc already, it would make a port easier. So down the road, a pi wouldn't even be needed, not for streaming to a pc hooked up to a large display anyway.
Two things bugged me about the nexus 7: no hdmi and no sdslot. This would solve one of those issues.
Again, I hope this spreads to the other roms and becomes a default option that all of them have.
I was reading more on their website and the current transmit time is around 200 ms which is a little disappointing for games anyway. But another cool featue is it utilizes android beam to stream to another android device.
I have the same functionality with my Galaxy Note 10.1 to my Samsung LED TV... It's a cool feature.
I've already got two Raspberry Pi's... will be looking at this tonight.
See it clears the Nexus 7 but not sure if that is the unlocking of the bootloader (which is already done by me) or also the software. Will look when I get more time.
Got the RPi's for this function originally!
this is cool right now i send youtube/etc from n7 to my rasbpi xbmc using the yatse remote app...
hope they build this into one of the pi xbmc builds...
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This cements my decision to buy a Rasp Pi, don't forget to update the firmware to allow official overclocking!
http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2008
Lastly, does anybody know if it upscales to 1080p, or is limited to the Nexus's default resolution?
It would be interesting if it could upscale to a higher resolution but I kind of doubt it. My understanding is it's basically making a video on the fly of whats on your screen and then decoded on the other end. So I would think it would be 1:1 regarding resolution. However, it would be nice if there was a option to lower resolution to try and lower latency or increase framerate for gaming. Might not hurt the image too much although text might appear more fuzzy. But there may be a performance penalty simply by scaling the source image.
I don't currently have a pi yet but if anyone has tried it let us know how it went.
Oh, and I didn't notice you can already use this with vlc
vlc rtsp://<Asus-Nexus-7-IP-Address>:9000/android.sdp.
Too bad it doesn't transmit sound yet. Hmm, I do wish it was an app but understand why it's built into the rom. Given this was released same day as 4.1.2 I assume this is built on 4.1.1 but I don't see that mentioned on their site.
Hi all, Question:
Is Pi (B) and android stable and powerful enough to use as a good android tv setup for netflix and otherstuff?
I am debating on getting a "smart" tv or just adding android to my tv
Not yet, but hopefully soon!
tjsooley said:
Hi all, Question:
Is Pi (B) and android stable and powerful enough to use as a good android tv setup for netflix and otherstuff?
I am debating on getting a "smart" tv or just adding android to my tv
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Not yet. RaspberryPi.org have announced 4.0/4.1 is working, but they're waiting to release it until they get audio working properly. So far it's been a few months and nothing. All other projects currently can't access GPU and are slow as molasses.
If you can hold off on getting a smart TV, I think that we'll soon see Android working smoothly on the Pi. Hope this helps!
dreadpirate15 said:
Not yet. RaspberryPi.org have announced 4.0/4.1 is working, but they're waiting to release it until they get audio working properly. So far it's been a few months and nothing. All other projects currently can't access GPU and are slow as molasses.
If you can hold off on getting a smart TV, I think that we'll soon see Android working smoothly on the Pi. Hope this helps!
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Thanks I really think this will be Much cooler than a stupid "smart tv".
Just ordered my PI fro Allied on back order
Smart TVs are really dumb, somedays ago I saw one of that "usb media centers" running android. I really want to buy one and hope that rPi runs it nice too!
ar4gorn said:
Smart TVs are really dumb, somedays ago I saw one of that "usb media centers" running android. I really want to buy one and hope that rPi runs it nice too!
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Actually, those "usb media centers" you're talking about, are full-fledged Android system with it's own processor and chipset. Of course it'll work with Raspberry Pi, as long as it can boot externally from the usb. Fortunately for you, a $79 usb system is already available with specifications similar to Samsung Galaxy S, plus Mali-400MP GPU.
And Smart TVs, are in fact, not dumb. They were made for people who are either very rich moneybags, or people who likes to slack off doing nothing besides looking at the TV.
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Actually, those "usb media centers" you're talking about, are full-fledged Android system with it's own processor and chipset. Of course it'll work with Raspberry Pi, as long as it can boot externally from the usb. Fortunately for you, a $79 usb system is already available with specifications similar to Samsung Galaxy S, plus Mali-400MP GPU.
And Smart TVs, are in fact, not dumb. They were made for people who are either very rich moneybags, or people who likes to slack off doing nothing besides looking at the TV.
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I at least was not referring to the usb media centers. I was referring to the samsung tv's that have crippled android on them
Gonna build a HTPC. Netflix, Watching downloaded tv shows/ movies. Internet browsing. Could use it for rooting phones and what not. Hosting the odin/sbf/what ever fliles that kinda thing. Would be cool if I could set up a server type stuff so other computers can see the data and If i could see it on stuff like a cloud server would be a plus.
I don't know a ton about pc specs. AMD vs intel. stuff like that. I don't need some powerhouse here for what Im doing.
I'd like to keep it on the cheaper end, but good performing and reliable.. Maybe a barebones kit for the processor, box, power supply and stuff then buy the rest on its own.
Go Windows based or linux based? Did they find a more simple way to watch netflix on linux yet? last I heard you had to install a few patches find old silverlight and firefox or something.
Obviously HD compacity depends on what/ how much I download. But any brands to stay away from? Any specs I should look at?
Worth it to put a ssd in for the operating system then run a conventional drive for the storage? Will that help with reliability assuming that the drive wouldn't be spinning while I'm browsing/watching netflix and or the system is sleeping/standby?
Minimum amount of ram?
What do I need to look for in video card? AMD or Nivida work with linux? It would be nice to have it be able to work as a dvr if it won't require me to bump up processor specs a whole lot ($$ only worth it if the price is right)
I think that's about it..
Any suggestions? Thanks.
It's off topic, not development
can't tell if your being serious or not? I figured this would be the best place? seems off topic its not about phones..
99% of anything works with Linux.....I run xubuntu
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I was told one of the brands of video cards didn't work well. something about the drivers.
Also Netflix requires silverlite to stream and that is something that is missing from linux. But I do have a ps3 so netflix streaming isn't a must at this point as I can just use that.. It would just be nice to have a all in one unit
This seems like a good start http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7544705&CatId=31 anyone see any issues? Seems the video card isn't that great but they are cheap now a days if i need it replaced.
topic.
I, for one, am paying close attention to any functionality like this to surface, then it'll truly meet my needs.
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littleemp said:
topic.
I, for one, am paying close attention to any functionality like this to surface, then it'll truly meet my needs.
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I would love xbmc on it. i have an old dell as my htpc and my pi as my tv computer. id love it!
I want this too.
Some people say to just get a pi but what they don't understand is with a pi which is 35$ alone you still don't get an SD card, wireless adapter, HDMI cord or even a case. Not to mention iirc Chrome cast is clocked 300Mhz higher than the raspberry with even lower power consumption.
thatbigmoose said:
I want this too.
Some people say to just get a pi but what they don't understand is with a pi which is 35$ alone you still don't get an SD card, wireless adapter, HDMI cord or even a case. Not to mention iirc Chrome cast is clocked 300Mhz higher than the raspberry with even lower power consumption.
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damn. We need someone on this stat!
Lookin forward to replacing my original xbox with this, for my new xbmc media player...
littleemp said:
topic.
I, for one, am paying close attention to any functionality like this to surface, then it'll truly meet my needs.
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Same thing here. This is really why I bought one.
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I cant wait for this. As soon as this happens I will buy a chromecast for all the tvs in the house
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Cast Xmbc over Chromecast using Avia Player
Hi,
You can now cast XMBC over Chromecast using Avia Player($2.99 Addon Charge). A video tutorial is up on You Tube.
Using Smartphone - XMBC can be watched over Chromecast through Avia Player which costs $2.99. YouTube Video shows how.
http://youtu.be/vS-7hwYe4nw
Using Computer - XMBC can be watched over Chromecast through Avia Player which costs $2.99. YouTube Video shows how.
http://youtu.be/NCgP0r5Dvp8
Good Luck
It will never be a XBMC stick...
What you might get though is have XBMC stream to it and support other DIAL devices, once the XBMC devs stop being stubborn and listen to what their Users have been asking for.
They seem to think DIAL isn't worth supporting since they already support UPnP.
Asphyx said:
It will never be a XBMC stick...
What you might get though is have XBMC stream to it and support other DIAL devices, once the XBMC devs stop being stubborn and listen to what their Users have been asking for.
They seem to think DIAL isn't worth supporting since they already support UPnP.
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My Rockchip MK808 stick runs XBMC and Cheapcast..indeed most Android phones you might have lying around collecting dust will do. I don't use it much, but the wife loves her Android games on the big xcreen.
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My Rockchip MK808 stick runs XBMC and Cheapcast..indeed most Android phones you might have lying around collecting dust will do. I don't use it much, but the wife loves her Android games on the big xcreen.
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Your Rockchip Stick has everything needed to navigate/control it via BT Same with Phones...CCast has none of this.
Whats more is the fact that Source compatibility is going to be a real problem there, You can't store content on the CCast and while reading from a network source is possible that source had better be CCast compatible or it won't play well.
But even if you manage to get past all those hurdles you have one bigger issue to contend with that you can't really solve....
Google will never Whitelist it as it does not conform to their UI Guidelines at all.
I would much rather see XBMC add the ability to send content to DIAL devices because the PC/MAC/LINUX versions of XBMC could easily add Transcoding to their system if they wanted to and remove the source compatibility issue and it would allow two people in the house to watch the same content on different TVs.
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Your Rockchip Stick has everything needed to navigate/control it via BT Same with Phones...CCast has none of this.
Whats more is the fact that Source compatibility is going to be a real problem there, You can't store content on the CCast and while reading from a network source is possible that source had better be CCast compatible or it won't play well.
But even if you manage to get past all those hurdles you have one bigger issue to contend with that you can't really solve....
Google will never Whitelist it as it does not conform to their UI Guidelines at all.
I would much rather see XBMC add the ability to send content to DIAL devices because the PC/MAC/LINUX versions of XBMC could easily add Transcoding to their system if they wanted to and remove the source compatibility issue and it would allow two people in the house to watch the same content on different TVs.
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Well that's no surprise really. I'm still somewhat surprised folks want so much from what amounts to a hdmi-alternative wireless dongle. Sure it's handy and works great for the services it currently supports (tab casting aside..simply atrocious for me) and it's dirt cheap to be a no brainer. But to get real server services requires an entirely different approach: a front end/back end and expandable, stable database. CC ain't gonna take us there.
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Well that's no surprise really. I'm still somewhat surprised folks want so much from what amounts to a hdmi-alternative wireless dongle. Sure it's handy and works great for the services it currently supports (tab casting aside..simply atrocious for me) and it's dirt cheap to be a no brainer. But to get real server services requires an entirely different approach: a front end/back end and expandable, stable database. CC ain't gonna take us there.
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It's the age-old conundrum - specialized device, or general-purpose device?
It's like getting a dishwasher versus a housekeeper.
Dishwasher is predictable and doesn't ask for a raise or days off but it won't wash or fold your clothes.
Housekeeper can wash dishes and wash and fold clothes, but might ask for a raise or days off.
The best solution really depends on the individual situation.
wideasleep1 said:
Well that's no surprise really. I'm still somewhat surprised folks want so much from what amounts to a hdmi-alternative wireless dongle. Sure it's handy and works great for the services it currently supports (tab casting aside..simply atrocious for me) and it's dirt cheap to be a no brainer. But to get real server services requires an entirely different approach: a front end/back end and expandable, stable database. CC ain't gonna take us there.
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Yeah I guess some folks don't realize the limitations of this device and how in some cases Less is actually more!
The simplicity of how CCast works makes it much more versatile than Miracast or DLNA Dongles,
But something like XBMC or Plex frontends which requires saving files and a Database will never be one of those things it does well.
And that doesn't even address the Navigation issues. The whole point of CCast is to make a device you can display to (Like Miracast) while off loading Power, and Navigation to another device that is much easier to write code for but doesn't require tying up the device to display (Like Miracast) a very targeted solution to a very specific problem.
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It's the age-old conundrum - specialized device, or general-purpose device?
It's like getting a dishwasher versus a housekeeper.
Dishwasher is predictable and doesn't ask for a raise or days off but it won't wash or fold your clothes.
Housekeeper can wash dishes and wash and fold clothes, but might ask for a raise or days off.
The best solution really depends on the individual situation.
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Just like you can run Plex off a RasPi or NAS but neither is actually a very good option to run a media server from due to the Transcoding power requirements that usually require far more power than a Pi or NAS can give you.
There are two schools of thought here....
One side wants something they can navigate and control their TV with (Lets call them the Navigators). They just want a device that will give them a better interface than their Smart TV has (Roku, GoogleTV, XBMC Etc...) or want something to make a dumb TV smart. CCast doesn't take that approach at all
The other side I'll call the ROUTERS or maybe the Remote Controllers (and I guess I am in this Group) are looking for LESS Navigation and more Mobile Device integration in the same way we have Smart Houses being controlled by our Mobile devices. I don't want to go through navigation of Menus just to see something on a particular display I would prefer to use the same controls for ALL devices and merely rout signals where I want them without having to SET UP the device I wish to display on.
Just like in a Smart House I can set the temp of one room while sitting in another I should be able to display things on a TV in another room from the same screen I am using to control the display in the room I'm in.
Essentially routing Media throughout my house the same way I do to Monitors in my production truck or TV Studio.
Imagine if I had to go to every monitor in my studio, Hit Menu, Select the app before I could get the signal I wanted on the Monitor. That seems to be what the Navigators want.
Me I don't ever want to have to change a thing on the Monitor just rout my signal to it and have it display it.
This is essentially what DIAL and the CCast is all about.
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Yeah I guess some folks don't realize the limitations of this device and how in some cases Less is actually more!
The simplicity of how CCast works makes it much more versatile than Miracast or DLNA Dongles,
But something like XBMC or Plex frontends which requires saving files and a Database will never be one of those things it does well.
And that doesn't even address the Navigation issues. The whole point of CCast is to make a device you can display to (Like Miracast) while off loading Power, and Navigation to another device that is much easier to write code for but doesn't require tying up the device to display (Like Miracast) a very targeted solution to a very specific problem.
Just like you can run Plex off a RasPi or NAS but neither is actually a very good option to run a media server from due to the Transcoding power requirements that usually require far more power than a Pi or NAS can give you.
There are two schools of thought here....
One side wants something they can navigate and control their TV with (Lets call them the Navigators). They just want a device that will give them a better interface than their Smart TV has (Roku, GoogleTV, XBMC Etc...) or want something to make a dumb TV smart. CCast doesn't take that approach at all
The other side I'll call the ROUTERS or maybe the Remote Controllers (and I guess I am in this Group) are looking for LESS Navigation and more Mobile Device integration in the same way we have Smart Houses being controlled by our Mobile devices. I don't want to go through navigation of Menus just to see something on a particular display I would prefer to use the same controls for ALL devices and merely rout signals where I want them without having to SET UP the device I wish to display on.
Just like in a Smart House I can set the temp of one room while sitting in another I should be able to display things on a TV in another room from the same screen I am using to control the display in the room I'm in.
Essentially routing Media throughout my house the same way I do to Monitors in my production truck or TV Studio.
Imagine if I had to go to every monitor in my studio, Hit Menu, Select the app before I could get the signal I wanted on the Monitor. That seems to be what the Navigators want.
Me I don't ever want to have to change a thing on the Monitor just rout my signal to it and have it display it.
This is essentially what DIAL and the CCast is all about.
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Yep...I only see the CC as and 'end" device. To introduce feature creep would complicate and obscure its real value. API release and further app development will be all the enhancement it needs. Clear purpose market wise, solid community support=widespread success. Let the specialists do their thing.
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wideasleep1 said:
Yep...I only see the CC as and 'end" device. To introduce feature creep would complicate and obscure its real value. API release and further app development will be all the enhancement it needs. Clear purpose market wise, solid community support=widespread success. Let the specialists do their thing.
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Yup!
For my usage, I don't need YAR (Yet Another Remote) - I already have a HTPC, but Chromecast's interface as an extension of apps I already use is much more convenient.
wideasleep1 said:
Yep...I only see the CC as and 'end" device. To introduce feature creep would complicate and obscure its real value. API release and further app development will be all the enhancement it needs. Clear purpose market wise, solid community support=widespread success. Let the specialists do their thing.
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For years in broadcast we have used a sort of networked transmission called "The Switch" it was little more than a network router that you could send video to any TV network on "The Switch Network".
TVs are in my mind a destination for content and it doesn't really matter what kind of content it is (Music, Web, Video, Pics). CCast can turn a TV into a destination. Until TV Manfs get on board and see this is the best way to send digital signals all over the place (by Pushing instead of Pulling) the CCast will at least get the concept rolling until those Manufacturers catch up. I know for a fact Sony would LOVE to get rid of their Smart Interface department because it generates little to no revenue and is constantly having to keep up and upgrading TVs that were already bought and sold. In time whatever money they made off the TV will be spent supporting it's Smart interface to keep up with User Demand for apps when if they merely supported DIAL they wouldn't need any SMART interface at all!
Thats kind of where I hope CCast (and DIAL standard) is taking us!
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Yup!
For my usage, I don't need YAR (Yet Another Remote) - I already have a HTPC, but Chromecast's interface as an extension of apps I already use is much more convenient.
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It's funny how the first wireless remotes used light to control but were then abandoned for Radio devices which were then Abandoned for IR (Light again) only to be usurped again by Radio in the form of WiFi! LOL
As they say what goes around comes around! LOL
There isn't a universal remote that can be bought that would be as versatile as my Tablet or Phone is....
Turning my Chromecast into my XBMC machine is literally why I logged into XDA today. GOGOGO!!!!
I can't wait for that. I currently play everything off an HTPC but if I don't ever need to turn it on again, good.
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It's funny how the first wireless remotes used light to control but were then abandoned for Radio devices which were then Abandoned for IR (Light again) only to be usurped again by Radio in the form of WiFi! LOL
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Indeed... I actually had a TV that used a sonic remote, I think it might've been Zenith.
When I printed graphics using my dot-matrix* printer, certain graphics would change the channel. It was freaky at first, and pretty funny afterward.
* Kids, look that one up or go to an automotive dealership that still uses carbon-copy forms.
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There isn't a universal remote that can be bought that would be as versatile as my Tablet or Phone is....
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:good: Indeed! Harmony is close but not as slick as native control. Hard to get more native than building it into Google Play Services!
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Indeed... I actually had a TV that used a sonic remote, I think it might've been Zenith.
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LOL Yes It was a Zenith....I remember My Uncle could change the channel by Whistling! Would drive my great Grandmother Nuts!
Can anyone suggest a compatible controller for use with Gear VR & S7?
A few apps ask for & insist on the Samsung game pad specifically & others some kind of controller. Samsung don't seem to make their gamepad anymore. I've had limited success with a cheap Chinese Bluetooth controller but I just wonder if there's a better solution out there?
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to expand on the original a bit: I'm left handed. Samsung assumes everyone is right handed. i'd like a controller of some sort the lets me do everything the touch pad and buttons do, but while holding it in my hand. Such a creature exist?
The most common recommendation for a controller is the Steelseries Stratus XL. It's said to work on pretty much any app and game, and is a decent controller. Make sure you get the Windows/Android version, though, as they also make the controller for the Apple platforms.
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The most common recommendation for a controller is the Steelseries Stratus XL. It's said to work on pretty much any app and game, and is a decent controller. Make sure you get the Windows/Android version, though, as they also make the controller for the Apple platforms.
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so one real problem is that i'm looking for some way to completely control the device without having to look all over the place - preferably with a controller not the built-in thing on the wrong side . with arthritis, bone spurs, and decayed disks, my neck is a wreck and i'd like to keep my head as still as possible. i know - that's not 'what vr is all about'. 'VR' has nothing compelling yet - just a bunch of gee-whiz junk - i'm not a gamer. but the gear vr, is a great personal theater for movie buffs like me. and being able to attach to a mechanical engineering CAD reader (or even mathematica's offline reader) would be great.
i found the built-in movie player that can reposition (poorly) the screen for reclined viewing, but the device's controls always require contortions my old-man's neck just can't do comfortably anymore. suggestions?
I'm not sure exactly what you're after, but maybe the new gear VR is more what you need? Not sure it's available yet, though.
Ah, that explains why their other controller isn't around anymore.
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I use the Xbox One S controller
thx
daniloze said:
I use the Xbox One S controller
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thanks, but i don't think what i want exists, and may never on the general market. i just want some way to control all aspects of the virtual environment (store, movie player, etc) without having to move my head - it hurts my neck to turn my head in many of the directions required. Didn't choose to get old, but i didn't like the alternative
Maybe pick up a simple, cheap controller such as Pasonomi Wireless Bluetooth Gamepad, Remote Controller for VR Glass Virtual Reality Headset, Wireless Mouse for Android Smartphones and Tablet (Black) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01E3PTTPY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apap_JZVIETDuFaUc4 and have a play with it. That was the 1st controller I got when just wanted to have a dabble. It should at least allow you to move a cursor around the screen with the gear stick & one of the buttons to the right act as your click/OK button. I think some kind of controller is the only way you're going to be able to cut down the head movements (I'm not keen on a lot of that either) if the game/app supports it. I got quite into it then & upgraded to a BEBONCOOL Wireless Bluetooth Game Controller with Clip for Android Phone/Tablet/TV Box/Gear VR https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01EV6NXU2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apap_tz95rgE8AD6KP Good luck finding something that works for you.
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thanks, but i don't think what i want exists, and may never on the general market. i just want some way to control all aspects of the virtual environment (store, movie player, etc) without having to move my head - it hurts my neck to turn my head in many of the directions required. Didn't choose to get old, but i didn't like the alternative
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Hey, it looks like the new Samsung is almost the thing you need, it seems to work like a air mouse. Look for reviews on youtube.
yeah - it's pretty good. at least, in those apps that support it, there's 'cursor' control. i'd still like to be able to rotate the display, roll, pitch and yaw. but this is a definite improvement.
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p.s. i'm not much of a gamer, and don't find 'vr' terribly compelling. but now I can rip my movies, move them to the phone (something I hate about android - no mappable drives) and watch in bed while my wife sleeps. that's all I wanted... now if someone would invest some serious time into the movie players. without exception the interfaces s***.
maybe a good ereader (esp for comics) might be nice, but not critical, and it would be really cool to get immersive 'laser' light shows keyed off the music I listen to, but for now i'll just watch Bogey outsmart the Nazis (or Captain America do the same)