Somesays unlocking the bootloader will result in killing the bionz. Is that true and anyway to prevent it??
I'd also like to know what the bionz actually is. Is it a special chipset for high quality image or just some software stuff??
does photo quality really go worse without the bionz??
No clue what it's actually doing but it seems one of the signature stuff of z1 and i wont feel so legit without it = =""
btw, heard that X-reality will also dead with unlock bootloader. but my previous phone Xperia S could have X-reality installed with unlock bootloader!! what an irony!!
And I saw posts about some people managed to port bravia engine even for samsung devices. it was called Bravia3!!
Really feel so wtf for all these!! so sony devices are supposed to lose whatever stock signature feature when the boot loader is unlocked, while it will still be available if it's not stock??
Fed up with these unlock bootloader problem stuff = ="" Sony is annoying in this part
So can i actually install bravia engine 2 for my z1 with unlocked bootloader since its not a stock feature for me??
I've done TA backup, just wanna know what's actually happening = =""
thx
Referring to many reports when you Unlock Bootloader you will lose pices which will definitely compromise X-Reality, Bionz Processing and Bravia Engine. At the moment there is no way to prevent it if not unlock bootloader it self.
X-Reality help image preview quality on the phone or TV, many who unlocked the bootloader do not see the difference and many do not use X-Reality on stock rom at all, like me. Same for Bionz processing which should help in camera image quality and here is the same, many did not see any difference after unlocking, but many dose. Bravia engine is lost so the compatibility with bravia devices should be compromise, but I don't know any of that at the moment.
Main reason to Unlock Bootlader is to flash Custom Roms with Custom Kernels so if you do not care about Custom Kernels you should not unlock it. Also we have all this issues and features lost because the developing of the OS for Z1 it's just in early age so you can't pretend to have all. The developers will find a way to keep all the feature together soon or later.
Maybe 3td apps will replace some features or help but I don't know if they will be effective.
Now it's just up to you, if you have your TA, you should not be worry about it. Your phone will working well anyway and you will see by your self what exactly are you missing. I think is not a huge difference.
eclyptos said:
Referring to many reports when you Unlock Bootloader you will lose pices which will definitely compromise X-Reality, Bionz Processing and Bravia Engine. At the moment there is no way to prevent it if not unlock bootloader it self.
X-Reality help image preview quality on the phone or TV, many who unlocked the bootloader do not see the difference and many do not use X-Reality on stock rom at all, like me. Same for Bionz processing which should help in camera image quality and here is the same, many did not see any difference after unlocking, but many dose. Bravia engine is lost so the compatibility with bravia devices should be compromise, but I don't know any of that at the moment.
Main reason to Unlock Bootlader is to flash Custom Roms with Custom Kernels so if you do not care about Custom Kernels you should not unlock it. Also we have all this issues and features lost because the developing of the OS for Z1 it's just in early age so you can't pretend to have all. The developers will find a way to keep all the feature together soon or later.
Maybe 3td apps will replace some features or help but I don't know if they will be effective.
Now it's just up to you, if you have your TA, you should not be worry about it. Your phone will working well anyway and you will see by your self what exactly are you missing. I think is not a huge difference.
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Thx man i'm actually looking for overclock kernel
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Thx man i'm actually looking for overclock kernel
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So like you already know you have to unlock your bootloader and you will lose the features from my firs post. You phone will still working without problems. Huge difference you should not have.
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So I have a Nexus 5 that's screen is dying for the second time and I'm considering my options including a replacement phone. The Z3c is obviously a great spec phone and nicely built... I'm attracted to it by it sensible size also. The Nexus 5 I'm coming from is about the limit of size I'm willing to go. However I'm afraid of moving from the open world of easily being able to install custom ROM's and do whatever I like to the phone. I've read up on what's involved in doing this on the Z3c but I still have some reservations:
How stable are the ROM's available for the Z3c, I'm really just interested in a close to stock ROM with bloatware removed, I'n not looking for experimental features/customisations. I've used Cyanogenmod before on another device, and other ROMs and there always seemed to be something that never worked quite as well as the stock ROM. (CM had bluetooth problems for me)
If you go the route of unlocking the bootloader, are the DRM protected features that are lost deal-breaking? Is it possible to achieve what I want (clean ROM, root) without unlocking the bootloader?
Thanks for your help in advance!
I am facing prettu much the same problem...
But i am moving away from a lg g2. ( it does not have the best custom rom support, but it works)
Anyway, i am willing to give a shot to the stock sony android... because of the DRM keys..
Well.. lets see what the people have to say!
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How stable are the ROM's available for the Z3c, I'm really just interested in a close to stock ROM with bloatware removed, I'n not looking for experimental features/customisations. I've used Cyanogenmod before on another device, and other ROMs and there always seemed to be something that never worked quite as well as the stock ROM. (CM had bluetooth problems for me)
If you go the route of unlocking the bootloader, are the DRM protected features that are lost deal-breaking? Is it possible to achieve what I want (clean ROM, root) without unlocking the bootloader?
Thanks for your help in advance!
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1: The Roms here are really stable and most of them are close to stock Roms so you won't have to worry about that, since most of them are near stock Roms you won't have to worry about the stability either.
2: Only you can judge if you're going to miss the DRM features, I didn't and still don't I couldn't wait for root, so I unlocked my BL and I never regretted my choice.
The only downside to this phone is the camera in my opinion, so gather some info about the camera first.
When unlocking the BL you also lose some camera quality (only really noticeable in low light conditions tho).
See my topic (in sig) for pictures).
And you don't have to unlock your BL at all if you don't want to, only if you want to use another Kernel.
Thanks for the info
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The only downside to this phone is the camera in my opinion, so gather some info about the camera first.
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I had a look at the photo there and they are not as good as I thought the camera is.. still they are not bad. The Nexus 5 I currently have is not amazing either so it's not really a deal breaker for me. It seems to be the one thing all non-flagship phones compromise on is the quality of the camera.
Hi,
I'm picking up a Xperia Z1 C6903 for a friend. She basically checks email and takes photos with her phone, so Camera/Video and Battery Life are priority.
Can anyone please recommend a good Rom and/or Mods for me.
I usually get more obscure phones for myself (never had a Sony) without so many options of mods and custom roms, so its a bit harder than I'm used to to sort through the pages on XDA... there so much to go through here so any help to narrow things down a bit for me would be appreciated.
Thanks!
rich333 said:
Hi,
I'm picking up a Xperia Z1 C6903 for a friend. She basically checks email and takes photos with her phone, so Camera/Video and Battery Life are priority.
Can anyone please recommend a good Rom and/or Mods for me.
I usually get more obscure phones for myself (never had a Sony) without so many options of mods and custom roms, so its a bit harder than I'm used to to sort through the pages on XDA... there so much to go through here so any help to narrow things down a bit for me would be appreciated.
Thanks!
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If you /she is not big fan of custom ROM (aospa, paranoid, CM, DU, PAC etc.) I would say just root the phone and use stock ROM.
Stock ROM is best for battery and photos together.
Rooting is good in case she wants Xposed and all the modules.
Don't unlock the bootloader since this will remove some propriety code for display and camera.
I haven't used any stock ROM so can't talk about them.
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Thanks, I often find custom roms better for battery life. And can see that there's a few camera mods available. So I assumed a custom rom (either with a Stock based or not?) and camera mod would be the way to go? Also, is the stock camera app the best performer (in terms of image quality?)
Really can't see any need to meddle with the standard rom.
The Xperia range of phones all have outstanding battery life and excellent photo/video software built in as standard.
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I was thinking this sound good: [MOD] Z1, Z1C & Z1S 8th Edition - Camera… | Sony Xperia Z1....
And there seems to be a few scripts which claim to improve battery life & speed like Fly-on-Mod...
I guess i'm just not used to stock being the best option!!! I cant help but want to change something
If you want to meddle then root and Xposed would be the simplest option.
But given the original criteria are already met by the standard rom and the fact that it's not your phone I still can't see the need.
Do you really want your friend coming to you with every minor niggle they can dream up, thinking that you caused it by modifying their phone?
Just make sure they upgrade to 5.1.1 which is due out any day now.
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thanks.
I've got it running stock KK, rooted, locked bootloader with xposed & dual recovery.
I decided not to update to LP until 5.1.1 is out (any day now it seems...?) due to slow downs in 5.0.2
From what I can see I'll have to update with Flashtool (if I can find the "Customized AU" file) or updated via Sony PC Companion and re-root & re-install recovery.
will both methods will result in a data wipe?
When it does come out - is there a way to update without loosing here data/settings? & will current rooting methods still work (I used easy root?)
Thanks for your help everyone!
Dear all,
I'm in the market for a waterproof phone and the z3c has all the features I want (except dual sim). But I really want a custom-rom to better protect my privacy. So what to buy? I've been without ANY phone for a week since my old died because I can't make up my mind
From what I read on all kinds of fora it appears to me that the z3c might not be a wise choice if I intent to run custom-roms on it (and still want a well functioning camera)? I really want bluetooth and decent camera performance.
In general, it seems that custom roms are a bigger pain on the z3c than on other devices, but I was unable to even find if this problem is specific to the z3 series, a general xperia problem, or a general problem with recent smartphones (and what is recent?).
Could anyone comment on this?
Many thanks for your kind help!!!
marcaber said:
Dear all,
I'm in the market for a waterproof phone and the z3c has all the features I want (except dual sim). But I really want a custom-rom to better protect my privacy. So what to buy? I've been without ANY phone for a week since my old died because I can't make up my mind
From what I read on all kinds of fora it appears to me that the z3c might not be a wise choice if I intent to run custom-roms on it (and still want a well functioning camera)? I really want bluetooth and decent camera performance.
In general, it seems that custom roms are a bigger pain on the z3c than on other devices, but I was unable to even find if this problem is specific to the z3 series, a general xperia problem, or a general problem with recent smartphones (and what is recent?).
Could anyone comment on this?
Many thanks for your kind help!!!
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You should read a little bit more.... Because all the answers are on the fora.
Anyway, the camera + custom rom problem is a more general problem to Xperia phones because of post processing of images which is not possible on a unlocked bootloader.
But you really do not need a custom rom on the z3c, which makes it an amazing phone for me.
I run Lollipop, debloated with @moly82 debloat script + xposed + apex launcher + #nochromo. This gives an almost AOSP experience and with xposed ofcourse you can add almost any custom rom feature to your Z3c (I use Xprivacy for privacy, gravitybox, xperiaxposed etc.)
So to conclude: You do not need a custom rom at all when you have Xposed working perfectly on the Z3C.... also, that way you have amazing battery life Better then any custom rom can deliver.
Robin>Hood said:
You should read a little bit more.... Because all the answers are on the fora.
Anyway, the camera + custom rom problem is a more general problem to Xperia phones because of post processing of images which is not possible on a unlocked bootloader.
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I'm sure the answer is somewhere in the fora, so sorry for that. But quite frankly it's hard to know where to start - xda is huge and there's other fora as well. Plus search terms alone can take the form of D5803, Z3c or Z3 compact for the model alone...
Robin>Hood said:
But you really do not need a custom rom on the z3c, which makes it an amazing phone for me.
I run Lollipop, debloated with @moly82 debloat script + xposed + apex launcher + #nochromo. This gives an almost AOSP experience and with xposed ofcourse you can add almost any custom rom feature to your Z3c (I use Xprivacy for privacy, gravitybox, xperiaxposed etc.)
So to conclude: You do not need a custom rom at all when you have Xposed working perfectly on the Z3C.... also, that way you have amazing battery life Better then any custom rom can deliver.
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That sounds great!! The custom rom would be just because of privacy concerns - I want google out of my phone as much as possible, but I'm not willing to experiment with non android operating systems (yet).
Thanks for the info, so far everybody seemed quite frustrated with the z3c, you're the first positive voice!
Hi guys,
My knowledge of ROMs and rooting isn't the best so please bare with me if this question seems dumb. And before anyone says, I have read this thread (and countless others) but would like some clarification.
I've always wanted to install CyanogenMod to my Z3 Compact because my car, an E46 BMW has not been able to pair with my phone since 4.2.2 when a change to bluetooth.default.so was made - Cyanogenmod has the fix.
I have seen recent posts on this forum that suggest if the phone is rooted and a custom ROM is installed, I'm still able to maintain my camera quality which previously was limited (fish-eye effect and low light poor quality) due to the loss of DRM'd software due to a DRM restore fix created by one of the forum members. Is this correct? This was the only thing that ever stopped me rooting my Z3 as camera quality is of high importance to me.
I've been using an iPhone 5s since my screen smashed last month and I planned to buy an iPhone 6s this weekend but if it seems I can use the Z3 Compact for all purposes ( In-car Bluetooth, stable Android, good camera and battery life) then I will definitely get the screen repaired tomorrow!
Thanks in advance.
This is a link explaining the Bluetooth issue I'm talking about.
tsmr said:
Hi guys,
My knowledge of ROMs and rooting isn't the best so please bare with me if this question seems dumb. And before anyone says, I have read this thread (and countless others) but would like some clarification.
I've always wanted to install CyanogenMod to my Z3 Compact because my car, an E46 BMW has not been able to pair with my phone since 4.2.2 when a change to bluetooth.default.so was made - Cyanogenmod has the fix.
I have seen recent posts on this forum that suggest if the phone is rooted and a custom ROM is installed, I'm still able to maintain my camera quality which previously was limited (fish-eye effect and low light poor quality) due to the loss of DRM'd software due to a DRM restore fix created by one of the forum members. Is this correct? This was the only thing that ever stopped me rooting my Z3 as camera quality is of high importance to me.
I've been using an iPhone 5s since my screen smashed last month and I planned to buy an iPhone 6s this weekend but if it seems I can use the Z3 Compact for all purposes ( In-car Bluetooth, stable Android, good camera and battery life) then I will definitely get the screen repaired tomorrow!
Thanks in advance.
This is a link explaining the Bluetooth issue I'm talking about.
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It is true, I am using DRM fix for my Z3c because I didn't backup my DRM keys (duh!) and the camera quality seems perfect, although the fix says it also restores X-Reality and whatnot but I haven't got to get the engine working, I fixed that with Color Control to match my saturation and colors needs...
As for the Bluetooth issues, I've kinda experienced problems with it too, I have a Bluetooth gamepad, and whenever I'm playing an Android game that supports controllers, it disconnects, but when I play on emulators it doesn't happen... I don't know if there's a fix for that but oh well.
DRM fix works only on stock based roms and on Concept roms.
It doesn't work on custom roms like Cyanogenmod.
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DRM fix works only on stock based roms and on Concept roms.
It doesn't work on custom roms like Cyanogenmod.
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Thanks for the reply. I don't actually need CyanogenMod, I just need to be able to edit the bluetooth.default.so file as per the thread I linked so that in-car Bluetooth works with my handset. Is this possible whilst maintaining camera quality?
Also when you say 'only works on stock based ROMs' - does this mean that I could install stock Android 6.0 to my device with a custom bluetooth.default.so file, then install the DRM fix and it will work as normal? This would be amazing!
PS. What is a Concept ROM?
I'm so sorry for asking what are most probably stupid questions but I'm fairly new to the Android scene thus still learning.
Of course its possible, you don't need unlocked bootloader to edit system files lol. Unlock bootloaders are used to install custom kernels or firmwares not made by Sony, like CyanogenMod or AOKP and etc.
Concept, is the "Alpha" Edition of Marshmallow that Sony plans to ship out within the next few months, they let a select a number of people to test out the rom and help them debug it. I don't recommend installing it as it is near beta stage and the number of bugs really don't make it suitable as a daily driver for you phone, stick with Lollipop until we get the official stable update unless you know what you're doing.
Good luck!
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Of course its possible, you don't need unlocked bootloader to edit system files lol. Unlock bootloaders are used to install custom kernels or firmwares not made by Sony, like CyanogenMod or AOKP and etc.
Concept, is the "Alpha" Edition of Marshmallow that Sony plans to ship out within the next few months, they let a select a number of people to test out the rom and help them debug it. I don't recommend installing it as it is near beta stage and the number of bugs really don't make it suitable as a daily driver for you phone, stick with Lollipop until we get the official stable update unless you know what you're doing.
Good luck!
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Thanks for explaining what Concept is. I guess that's not something that I need right now! To clarify; are you saying that to be able to edit system files, I don't need to unlock my bootloader? I was under the impression that to do this I'd need to:
a) Unlock bootloader.
b) Root device.
c) Access/edit the bluetooth system files.
Any advice on the steps I need to take to have my Z3 Compact work with my car whilst maintaining original camera quality would be much appreciated!
PS. Due to the prompt, positive responses in this thread, I've just taken my Z3 to a local to store so the screen can be repaired. Thanks all for the help - such good folk!
tsmr said:
Thanks for the reply. I don't actually need CyanogenMod, I just need to be able to edit the bluetooth.default.so file as per the thread I linked so that in-car Bluetooth works with my handset. Is this possible whilst maintaining camera quality?
Also when you say 'only works on stock based ROMs' - does this mean that I could install stock Android 6.0 to my device with a custom bluetooth.default.so file, then install the DRM fix and it will work as normal? This would be amazing!
PS. What is a Concept ROM?
I'm so sorry for asking what are most probably stupid questions but I'm fairly new to the Android scene thus still learning.
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If you need only the root in order to work on that bluetooth file, you can do it without unlocking the bootloader.
Follow this tutorial: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/general/how-to-root-backup-drm-keys-t3013343
You will be able to get root without losing DRM keys and else you will make a backup of DRM keys So, if in the future you need/want to unlock the bootloader, you have a safe copy of your keys. :good:
istux said:
If you need only the root in order to work on that bluetooth file, you can do it without unlocking the bootloader.
Follow this tutorial: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/general/how-to-root-backup-drm-keys-t3013343
You will be able to get root without losing DRM keys and else you will make a backup of DRM keys So, if in the future you need/want to unlock the bootloader, you have a safe copy of your keys. :good:
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Thank you so much. Will try this in the morning and hopefully I will be able to use Bluetooth in my car once again!
tsmr said:
My knowledge of ROMs and rooting isn't the best[...]I have seen recent posts on this forum that suggest if the phone is rooted and a custom ROM is installed, I'm still able to maintain my camera quality[...]camera quality is of high importance to me
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My suggestion (solely based on the points your described):
Either get a Z3c and stick to stock ROM
Or get an iPhone (seriously)
Now don't get me wrong, I am not being against custom ROMs. I am running CM myself and the first think I do before buying any android phone is to check if it has official CM support But you need to know that custom ROMs come with their own cost, and it depends whether you're willing to pay the price.
Reasons for my suggestion to you is that the road to unlocked bootloader and custom ROMs is a rough one. You'll be adding more mods and flashing more updates and you quickly end up with a phone which gets into the way and needs constant maintenance. Then there are issues with warranty, security, bugs, etc. Checking the forums for changelogs, kernels and ROMs will become a normal routine.
If you're regular user who wants his/her phone to just work, accept one of my suggestion and save yourself some pain. However, you might choose to be adventurous, then welcome to the community
PS: I'm myself exploring Z3c and iPhone 5s for my next phone.
Honestly, the road to rooting and properly running a rooted software is really not that long and rocky if you follow the linked thread perfectly. You also don't NEED to unlock the BL to get most of the advantages (there are many pre-rooted customized ROMs available without needing an unlocked BL). Follow the thread, stick to a good stable ROM or customization (I'm on Max Fury right now and she did some amazing work, check it out), and you'll be just fine. My BL is not even unlockable, doesn't bother me one bit. You can use Nova for a more Google-ish feel, and Sony's 5.1.1 is already pretty good at not being "Sony-fied".
Anyhow, this is the best phone I've ever owned, not looking back (I've had MANY more than just in my signature).
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- if you follow the linked thread perfectly
- you also don't NEED to unlock the BL to get most of the advantages (it's upto you to figure out that just which advantages follow under that "most" category)
- follow the thread
- stick to a good stable ROM or customization (it's upto you to figure out whether you need a rom or customization)
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Thanks. This proves my point even more! Now just compare this to getting a phone that just works
Although ROM customization is a beautiful and powerful idea, it's not for everyone, and comes at a cost (read: complexity). If anyone is ready to handle the complexity, please dive right in
Please don't mistake me. I'm not trying to disrespect the devs or offend custom ROM users, I'm both. I'm just trying to list down the pros and cons.
Hi,
Well, i've been using a Z3 for around 6 months without modding it, and now it got replaced by a new Z3+ Dual under warranty.
So, i've been scooping around the forums, reading guides and trying to understand key concepts, but what seems most strange to me is that i haven't been able to find some mod / ROM that would justify modding my phone.
I'm used to mod phones and have done that extensively on older models, such as SGS3, but as time goes by, modding has become more like a painful job, with only a few gains...
SO, i'd like to hear about you guys... WHY do you mod your phones? What exactly you want to do with it, that cannot be done otherwise?
Is it XPOSED? What modules?
Some Custom kernel? which one?
What ROM are you guys loving?
What modding do you recommend?
Sorry for the long post, and thanks in advance
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SO, i'd like to hear about you guys... WHY do you mod your phones? What exactly you want to do with it, that cannot be done otherwise?
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I haven't so far and the big things that put me off:
- No AOSP or CM for the E6533 (z3+ dual)
- Unlocking the bootloader looks somewhat painful
- Losing the few Sony features I like: Album, Noise cancelling headphones, Image enhancement
- With root I won't be able to use: Barclaycard and other banking apps
So here - these are things I didn't do it. But to be honest I really regret buying this phone - My Z2 was superb; this hardly lasts the day on 1 charge and gets awfully hot - which is when it starts slowing down.
bustr85 said:
I haven't so far and the big things that put me off:
- No AOSP or CM for the E6533 (z3+ dual)
- Unlocking the bootloader looks somewhat painful
- Losing the few Sony features I like: Album, Noise cancelling headphones, Image enhancement
- With root I won't be able to use: Barclaycard and other banking apps
So here - these are things I didn't do it. But to be honest I really regret buying this phone - My Z2 was superb; this hardly lasts the day on 1 charge and gets awfully hot - which is when it starts slowing down.
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Agreed 100%.
Would still be nice to hear from someone who actually mods, though.