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I have a motomaker moto x on vzw which is obviously locked...im rooted on 4.4 because i need gravity box at least since i cant get custom roms(ugh) so i havent upgraded to 4.4.2 yet because it hasnt been rooted...my question was has it been rooted because i cant find anything about it anywhere...and if not is anyone working on it? as much as i love this phone i really miss unlocking and rooting
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I have a motomaker moto x on vzw which is obviously locked...im rooted on 4.4 because i need gravity box at least since i cant get custom roms(ugh) so i havent upgraded to 4.4.2 yet because it hasnt been rooted...my question was has it been rooted because i cant find anything about it anywhere...and if not is anyone working on it? as much as i love this phone i really miss unlocking and rooting
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there is no root method for 4.4.2 (covered extensively). your only option (for now) is to sit on your current version or apply a ROM that gives you 4.4.2 functionality (but you're still on 4.4 kernel).
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I feel ya man. I'm also sitting on rooted 4.4 wishing I could update to 4.4.2. I like the stock OS on this phone so I don't feel the need to have an unlocked bootloader, but I would love to be able to have the latest OS version. Although I don't think it's a huge update anyways. I've seriously thought about going back to stock and updating to 4.4.2, but I would miss root WAY too much. I love being able to tether without asking for Verizon's permission.
At least you have root. I'm sitting on 4.4.2 waiting for root. So wish I could use xposed...
underdog1799 said:
At least you have root. I'm sitting on 4.4.2 waiting for root. So wish I could use xposed...
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Did you order your x from the moto design website? Or from verizen?
doitinthedirt said:
Did you order your x from the moto design website? Or from verizen?
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Woodback VZW MotoMaker here...
doitinthedirt said:
Did you order your x from the moto design website? Or from verizen?
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I ordered it from the moto maker website
When did you order it? I placed an order two days ago for a design your own.. a guy here posted he got his two days ago and it had 4.4 on it so thought mine might come with 4.4
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When did you order it? I placed an order two days ago for a design your own.. a guy here posted he got his two days ago and it had 4.4 on it so thought mine might come with 4.4
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Mine was ordered a month ago or so. I think it probably is hit or miss whether it has been updated or not. But mine was actually on 4.4 and it updated to 4.4.2 overnight
If you realllllly want root....i'd return the phone and get a dev edition. Otherwise you may be stuck on 4.4.
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Or sell it and add some cash for the dev edition if you can't return it. ?
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kj2112 said:
If you realllllly want root....i'd return the phone and get a dev edition. Otherwise you may be stuck on 4.4.
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Or sell it and add some cash for the dev edition if you can't return it. ?
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Well 4.4 would be fine, Im stuck on 4.1.2 as of now on my razrM since they quit updating than.
The first fone i rooted was the razrM and i changed the entitlementcheck to get tethering for my unlimited data.. since than ive accepted two OTA and lost root but the change i made to entitlement check when i had root and write protection disabled still stayed after root was wiped by the OTA. This is puzzling i dont see why guys are loosing entitlement check after losing root with 4.4.2 on moto x
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Well 4.4 would be fine, Im stuck on 4.1.2 as of now on my razrM since they quit updating than.
The first fone i rooted was the razrM and i changed the entitlementcheck to get tethering for my unlimited data.. since than ive accepted two OTA and lost root but the change i made to entitlement check when i had root and write protection disabled still stayed afyer root was wiped by the OTA. This is puzzling i dont see why guys are loosing entitlement check after losing root with 4.4.2 on moto x
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Basically I think moto saw the exploit and simply closed the door on it. ?
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Yeah I'm dying hoping someone will swoop in and help us get a root exploit going. I'm not quite sure why no one has done it...maybe we need to make a thread like the bootloader unlock one where the dev would make some money if they got root going.
Unlocking the bootloader does solve all this. And the bounty is huge.
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You are asking about root, but if you want usable root on the X you need two parts 1. Root Exploit, and 2. An Exploit that allows for disabling Write Protection.
When Write Protection is enabled (the phone's default state with locked bootloader, or the state you are in after you take the 4.4.2 OTA), any changes made to /system, or the like, (including, but not limited to, App installs, file modifications, deletions, renames, etc) are not permanent and are lost at power off/on.
Even if you have root, but lost Write Protection, any apps you've installed that need to write to system can't permanently save their changes (you have to re-do every time your phone powers off/on), and any Root type app, or app that gets installed to /system after WP is enabled will be lost at power off/on.
MotoWpNoMo was used on 4.4. and below to Disable Write Protection. Part of the 4.4.2 update patches the exploit that MotoWpNoMo used, so it wont work on 4.4.2.
SlapMyMoto/RockMyMoto/etc, used on 4.4 and lower, involved downgrading the rom to use an exploit in 4.2.2 to gain root. But with 4.4.2 you can't downgrade the rom safely, without risk of bricking your phone, anymore.
JCASE has already posted he has an exploit to use to gain root on 4.4.2, but due to job and family, wont release it until the fall. Who knows what ROM Moto will push out by then, and if they will have patched the exploit already. BUT before you get made at JCASE for waiting so long, that doesn't address a Write Protection dis-abler. I've not seen any talk about work on that for locked bootloaders (when you unlock the bootloader, like on Dev Editions, the write protection is disabled). So JCASE could release his Root exploit, he or someone could develop that process, but it would be kind of useless without the ability to disable write protection.
Trust me, *IF* or when a Root and Write Protection bypass is out, you will see threads on it. Until then, you have to sit tight.
If you are rooted with write protection disabled, you might want to check out the SafeStrap discussions over at Rootzwiki.com. That might at least afford you a way to run 4.4.2
And of course @kj2112 suggestion of getting a Develpper Edition so you can unlock the bootloader and root no matter what rom version, is the best advice. Yes, its more expensive than a subsidized X, signing a contract, but its worth it if you *NEED* or *WANT* root & write protection disabled. (and selling your current X is an option to get cash towards the Dev Edition)
This website claims root on 4.4.2.
http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entry/Root-Moto-X-KitKat
Anyone hear or try it yet?
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This website claims root on 4.4.2.
http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entry/Root-Moto-X-KitKat
Anyone hear or try it yet?
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It's already being discussed here. I don't think it works as that site claims it does though.
zenofase said:
This website claims root on 4.4.2.
http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entry/Root-Moto-X-KitKat
Anyone hear or try it yet?
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As @The Tallest says, its already being disucssed in that other thread.
Even so, *IF* it safely works, it is only a potential root, but does nothing for write protection.
Too bad. At least it's a possible step in the right direction.
I have a stock xt1058 (ATT Moto X 2013) and need to root it, without wiping what is there already and ideally also to be in a position where I can unroot pretty quickly. I have no need to unlock the bootloader (unless required) and simply am looking for temporary root access. What is the best way to achieve this?
EDIT: The current Android Version is 4.4.4
See the one stop root thread in general for root methods.
But quick answer.... No, sorry.
No to which part exactly?
Did you read the one stop root thread? Your answer is there.
Again though, there is no way to root 4.4.4, fully or temporarily, without an unlocked bootloader.
And on your device, there's no current way to unlock your bootloader. You can try Sunshine app (Google it for their site). It costs $25, but usually will not work on 4.4.4. You can try it without paying. It will give you an error before you ever need to pay.
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I haven't seen any root methods listed here for 5.0.
I'm still on 4.4 because I didn't want to lose system write or root. Has anyone been able to successfully root 5.0 with system write ability? What method did you use?
I've seen mentions of using Chain Fire but the articles are usually poorly written, so I don't trust them.
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I haven't seen any root methods listed here for 5.0.
I'm still on 4.4 because I didn't want to lose system write or root. Has anyone been able to successfully root 5.0 with system write ability? What method did you use?
I've seen mentions of using Chain Fire but the articles are usually poorly written, so I don't trust them.
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Twrp has the option to root.
When you reboot from it.
That's how I rooted twrp
I'm on AT&T, so my bootloader is still locked. Unless someone has figured out how to unlock without paying $25.
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I'm on AT&T, so my bootloader is still locked. Unless someone has figured out how to unlock without paying $25.
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If you have a locked bootloader you need someone to find a in the phone, or its software. Then a repeatable process must be created to use the exploit to gain root. i.e. Hack It.
Root is only part. There is also Write Protection to worry about.. When Write Protection is enabled (the phone's default state with locked bootloader, any changes made to /system, or the like, (including, but not limited to, App installs, file modifications, deletions, renames, etc) are not permanent and are lost at power off/on. Starting with 4.4.2, on a locked bootloader we can't disable write protection. No Vulnerabilities have been found/posted. However, Unlocking the bootloader disables write protection.
So if you have a locked bootloader, and want to root 5.02, you first need 5.02 to come out, then vulnerability found, tested, and a process created. When 5.1 comes out, it needs to be tested to see if the vulnerability was patched. if it was, the work starts all over again.. Its like playing "whack a mole." And even then you likely will have write protection enabled... so any power off/on or "hard boot" will mean lost changes to your phone.
Since the 2013 X is getting old, and only ATT, Verizon, and Republic wireless can't unlock their bootloader through Motorola's site, Paying $25 to use Sunshine if your phone is still on 4.4.2 or lower, is not a bad deal if you want to be sure you can root and disable write protection no matter what Android version comes to your phone.
NOTE: I am not affiliated with Sunshine... just trying to help you understand... Coming up with a root process for a LOCKED Bootloader isn't "quick and easy"
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I'm on AT&T, so my bootloader is still locked. Unless someone has figured out how to unlock without paying $25.
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That's literally the only way you are going to have root on lollipop. At least for a while anyways. I don't think many people would be interested in finding and creating exploits after this phone has already be exploited to the point where almost everyone can unlock their bootloader. I started at 4.4, went down to 4.2.2, used RockMyMoto and MotoWPnomo, then used SlapMyMoto when upgrading back to 4.4. After that I installed Safestrap and was able to use the stock (and rooted) ROMs by @Ctrl-Freak all the way up to 4.4.4. But after I heard about Sunshine... That was the holy grail. Unlocked my bootloader, flashed a clean install of stock 4.4 and just upgraded till 4.4.4 again, flashed TWRP, rooted, and that was it.
Thanks guys. I was always wary about Sunshine. Just never sat well with me, but I think I'm going to do it after I move into my new house since I have no plans to upgrade anytime soon.
d3athsd00r said:
Thanks guys. I was always wary about Sunshine. Just never sat well with me, but I think I'm going to do it after I move into my new house since I have no plans to upgrade anytime soon.
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Its true, Sunshine is kind of risky... BUT because of those involved with it, I would consider it as safe as any "hack" can get.
If I didn't have a Dev Edition X, and needed to unlock my bootloader, I would not hesitate to use Sunshine.
Is there a way to root this device without paying anything?
I've an unlocked verizon droid turbo(supports all sim cards )
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No.
Nope.
If you're unlocked you should be able to flash supersu on twrp. Unlocking carries the fee not rooting. Correct me if I'm wrong I just got this phone. However I never paid to root it. I paid to unlock it and felt awkward for it afterwards. I never had to pay to unlock a phone. It's like one of those things I get told not to do because it's a scam. Lol.
xrock8 said:
Is there a way to root this device without paying anything?
I've an unlocked verizon droid turbo(supports all sim cards )
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Unless you used Sunshine, your phone is not unlocked. Your phone is SIM unlocked, not bootloader unlocked.
iiWoodstocK said:
Unless you used Sunshine, your phone is not unlocked. Your phone is SIM unlocked, not bootloader unlocked.
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Yeah my bad
Thanks for correcting me !
I actually meant SIM unlocked.
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xrock8 said:
Yeah my bad
Thanks for correcting me !
I actually meant SIM unlocked.
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There's no way of getting free permanent root. You could use Sunshine to get temp root, but that might not be too useful since the bootloader is still locked.
The only way to get permanent root is to unlock the bootloader by paying for Sunshine.
Temp root doesn't really allow permanent changes. The write protection is really really annoying. Twrp disables this write protection.
That is incorrect. You can root without sunshine, or TWRP. There is a debate as to the permanence. You can run Kingroot, then some scripts to swap Kingroot for SU, this will result in permanent persistent root without installing TWRP. The question is if Sunshine disabled the write protection or not. If you have not unlocked with Sunshine then by all means git it a try and let us know if it worked. I posted a thread about it a while back.
I'm not sure why people repeat that TWRP is needed for perm root but rest assured, it is absolutely 100% not.
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That is incorrect. You can root without sunshine, or TWRP. There is a debate as to the permanence. You can run Kingroot, then some scripts to swap Kingroot for SU, this will result in permanent persistent root without installing TWRP. The question is if Sunshine disabled the write protection or not. If you have not unlocked with Sunshine then by all means git it a try and let us know if it worked. I posted a thread about it a while back.
I'm not sure why people repeat that TWRP is needed for perm root but rest assured, it is absolutely 100% not.
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You're half right. An unlocked bootloader is required for persistent root on the Droid Turbo. There's not really any debate about that. Technically, TWRP is not required. There are ways to get SuperSU on there without TWRP after the bootloader is unlocked (sunshine or kingroot temp root + flashify), but most people prefer to use TWRP since it's incredibly useful for the things that people with unlocked bootloaders usually want to do. Unlocking a bootloader without installing TWRP is like buying a Swiss army knife that doesn't have any knives in it. And yes, if you're determined enough, you can get SuperSU on there via Kingroot with a locked bootloader. But with a locked bootloader, doing so achieves nothing more than a super unstable system. Root's great and all, but it's not better than a phone that will actually turn on for more than 5 seconds before every app starts force closing.
EDIT: Nevermind. I think I misread what you were trying to say. Your post was assuming an unlocked bootloader. I missed that.
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If you're unlocked you should be able to flash supersu on twrp. Unlocking carries the fee not rooting. Correct me if I'm wrong I just got this phone. However I never paid to root it. I paid to unlock it and felt awkward for it afterwards. I never had to pay to unlock a phone. It's like one of those things I get told not to do because it's a scam. Lol.
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Sunshine is 100% not a scam. It is primarily maintained by two guys known as jcase and beaups. If you google either of their names, you'll find that they're associated with many, if not the majority, of the root/unlock exploits that have been released for just about every Android phone that has ever received one. The fee, which is incredibly fair, is necessary to partially recoup the thousands of dollars of their own money that they spend on test devices. Jcase is also a professional security researcher by day, and by releasing things like Sunshine, he forfeits sizable bug bounties that he would receive if he reported these bugs to Google or any given phone manufacturer. You don't get something that is more legit, or two guys that are more willing to make our communities possible, than Sunshine and the team behind it.
That was the question that I have yet to see proved with empirical evidence. Does sunshine turn off write protection so that SU will be persistent between reboots. As i have a said a few times, i assume it did, but since i installed SU after I ran sunshine i can not tell for sure. Again, the question was not about preference it was about the misinformation that TWRP is required for permanent root. I dont know why but that one bugs the [email protected] out of me. Again, if you haven't run sunshine yet I urge you to look for the other thread I posted on root without TWRP and try it for yourself. Worst that happens is it does not work.
I am going to put this out there, not because I know I am right but because I'd like it confirmed or refuted myself.
On the Turbo, kingroot or whatever root implementation is used by sunshine is only a temp root, meaning it does not survive a reboot. Kingroot may or may not leave some components on the /system partition but it does not keep the phone rooted, sometimes it can't even keep root while the phone is continuously running. Either way, unstable temp root is not very useful, but it allows sunshine bootloader unlock to work through an exploit.
At this point the write protection may or may not be disabled, I assume it is disabled and I know the sunshine devs could clear this up. For most the next step is flashing twrp, which provides the option to disable WP or not. It is unclear why this needs to be done, I imagine for some circumstance where twrp is flashed but the user wants to keep WP. So twrp is able to toggle WP, but it isn't doing anything too special to accomplish this. For us there is absolutely no reason to unlock the BL, flash twrp, then keep WP on and in fact it may render the phone unusable in this state.
So to get perm root, you need WP turned off. To get WP turned off, you need the BL unlocked. To get the BL unlocked, you need temp root.
Thus there is no free option, just pay these hard working devs for their huge personal investment in our device and appreciate the fact that someone got it done. Root is not easy anymore, and that is why it costs something now. Other high-end carrier locked-down phones will never get root because no one with enough skill and determination is working on them. Or there is simply no available exploit (or at least one that is feasible to use).
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Again, this is the question that some seem baffled by.
Does running sunshine turn off the write protection to enable the swapping of kingroot for SU to be persistent through reboots.
As i have said, numerous time, TWRP is 100% not needed for ermanent persistent root. it just isn't, no matter how often the claim is repeated, it does not make it true. This is not a question about paying the devs or any other philosophical discussion on the merrits of TWRP vs stock recovery. It is a simple technical question of "Can you make root persistent without running sunshine"
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Again, this is the question that some seem baffled by.
"Can you make root persistent without running sunshine"
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Disclaimer: I have no idea what I am talking about but I'd wager I am right.
Not without a new exploit.
To date the only exploit we have that allows write protection disabled is the one that allows an unlocked bootloader.
After that we have full access and then have our choice to use fastboot, adb or twrp.
If another dev/hacker were to look for an exploit I'm guessing they would again attack the bootloader.
This is a very logical starting place since a persistent root would most likely need two exploits. One to gain root, another to gain write access.
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Disclaimer: I have no idea what I am talking about but I'd wager I am right.
Not without a new exploit.
To date the only exploit we have that allows write protection disabled is the one that allows an unlocked bootloader.
After that we have full access and then have our choice to use fastboot, adb or twrp.
If another dev/hacker were to look for an exploit I'm guessing they would again attack the bootloader.
This is a very logical starting place since a persistent root would most likely need two exploits. One to gain root, another to gain write access.
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For the Droid Turbo XT1224, yes TWRP is needed for a fully stable write protection disabled permanent root.
On other phones, no a custom recovery is not necessarily needed. For example, on my old Droid 4, I rooted the phone without installing a custom recovery. That root was permanent, and had write protection turned off.
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You're half right. An unlocked bootloader is required for persistent root on the Droid Turbo. There's not really any debate about that. Technically, TWRP is not required. There are ways to get SuperSU on there without TWRP after the bootloader is unlocked (sunshine or kingroot temp root + flashify), but most people prefer to use TWRP since it's incredibly useful for the things that people with unlocked bootloaders usually want to do. Unlocking a bootloader without installing TWRP is like buying a Swiss army knife that doesn't have any knives in it. And yes, if you're determined enough, you can get SuperSU on there via Kingroot with a locked bootloader. But with a locked bootloader, doing so achieves nothing more than a super unstable system. Root's great and all, but it's not better than a phone that will actually turn on for more than 5 seconds before every app starts force closing.
EDIT: Nevermind. I think I misread what you were trying to say. Your post was assuming an unlocked bootloader. I missed that.
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Sunshine is 100% not a scam. It is primarily maintained by two guys known as jcase and beaups. If you google either of their names, you'll find that they're associated with many, if not the majority, of the root/unlock exploits that have been released for just about every Android phone that has ever received one. The fee, which is incredibly fair, is necessary to partially recoup the thousands of dollars of their own money that they spend on test devices. Jcase is also a professional security researcher by day, and by releasing things like Sunshine, he forfeits sizable bug bounties that he would receive if he reported these bugs to Google or any given phone manufacturer. You don't get something that is more legit, or two guys that are more willing to make our communities possible, than Sunshine and the team behind it.
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I know it's not a scam when I first used it kind of came off that. I wasn't used to the process and I know why they charge. Anytime I've seen anyone asking you for money to either unlock your bootloader or root your phone it has always been a scam till now. So that's why I saw it that way.
I am tooling an exploit that can provide temp root
The exploit previously worked on the pixel 1 and 2, but was then again found in the pixel 3 which has a snapdragon core as well. It gave a temp root. I do believe it can be done for the US variant snapdragon as well. If it can I can do it we can achieve su read and write perms giving us another shot at unlocking the boot loader. What i am missing is the offsets for the files required to achieve the exploit goal. If anyone can help with those it would be very helpful
First off, the U.S. S10 has already been rooted and bootloader unlocked. It just costs $150 to do it. Read here:
https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-note-20-ultra-root-us-unlocked-snapdragon-865/
Next, if you can provide a free root method then by all means go for it, everyone here will love you.
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First off, the U.S. S10 has already been rooted and bootloader unlocked. It just costs $150 to do it. Read here:
https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-note-20-ultra-root-us-unlocked-snapdragon-865/
Next, if you can provide a free root method then by all means go for it, everyone here will love you.
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So I was confused by this
So there is no root for the S10 Snapdragon? There is a guide on the guide section but I can't activate oem unlock
There is root for the S10 snapdragon, it's the same method to root the S20 as stated in the article I linked above, only it costs $150. A free method would be better, but as of late nothing has surfaced. Hope this clears things up for you.
It will come with time, until then I am not doing any updates
The U.S. S10 costs (I think) $100 to bootloader unlock so it can be rooted. You just have to let some guy in China have access to ya phone.