Since I'm in the process of waiting for an unlock code for my Z1s, I've been using it along side my LG G2 and I'm noticing a big discrepancy between the way identical photos look on both devices. That's to say the Z1's display seems to have 1-2 stops of exposure compensation applied to any image that's displayed on screen.
For example, I beamed a Z1s photo to my G2. Image looked underexposed (dark) on the G2, perfect on the Z1s. Same image sent to my wife's iPhone 5, same result as the G2 (underexposed).
Beamed an G2 photo to the Z1s. About 2 stops overexposed (bright), loss of detail in the highlights and overly exposed noisy dark areas in the photo.
I've tried this with half a dozen photos taken/viewed on both devices with X reality both on/off, and different screen brightness levels. All images appear to be over exposed by the Z1s display, to the point where I saw shadow details that were not visible at all on the G2.
I realize there's a difference between the IPS panels used in other devices and the TFT LCD used in the Z1, but as far as I know this should only affect viewing angles and some color accuracy. Overexposure seems to be something the Z1s display drivers are doing.
I haven't seen this particular display attribute mentioned here in the forums, so I'm curious if anyone else has made direct comparisons of identical images viewed on a Z1/Z1s and a different device. Now, some of you may see this as a feature of the Z1's display, but not knowing what my friends/family will see when they open their inbox or click a social media link is definitely a minus in my book.
Yesterday I've watched an YouTube video about this. I think it goes in that direction
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&sour...4czHlcE9F8utXJO0A&sig2=RXPnPcgUlw_tI-5IZdnwPQ
Have a look
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But all the negativity and *****ing has me worried ..
- How is the brightness ? Too dark ?
- How are colors ?
- How is battery life compared to HTC one ?
- How bad is the camera auto mode ?
- I suppose a case is essential given the glass build, does it become too bulky as a result ?
I read reviews and watched youtube videos of course, but I need real world input from .. y'know casual humans not corps and sites ..
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If you have doubts, you should not take this phone
I am very happy so far. Sure,the camera is not perfect but most of the time the pictures are really good. Far better than s4 another rest can manage. I also belive that it will improve as it has a larger sensor than the rest of the Android bunch.
I use the screen at maybe 25% and that is enough for me, it has better viewability outside than my old s3.
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Brightness is very high and the darks are also good i dnt know abt the htc one so cant compare
Colors are u can go and check the demo unit
Battery life is fantastic i get 5-6 hrs of on screen time
Camera is also fantastic
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Okay, so just for reference, id been out and looked at this phone in the shops and was massively disappointed with the screen (colours washed out, blacks looked grey etc). I did however take a massive risk after I had one of my uncles tell me how good the phone is and I am in all honesty VERY impressed.
For reference, I bought my handset from handtec, which if you check the screen problems thread is one where everyone who has said they bought them from this shop have not had any funky screen issues, which essentially pushed me to buy it from there.
To answer your questions:
1. Screen brightness for me is not a problem, I have a matte screen protector and although it slightly affects the overall output its not a problem. I have left it on the default setting and have not once had an issue with seeing the screen in bright sunlight or even indoors. Blacks look great.
2. Colours really do pop, the range of colours produced is amazing. I have a Nokia 920 which I think gives great colours. I have seen some photos on the 920 look better and then photos on the z1 look better, you wont be disappointed.
3. No idea, dont own one
4. To me this is something completely overblown. Day time shots are fantastic, Night time shots are as bad as any other phone. Im not a camera specialist and anyone feel free to correct me on this, but it looks like the iso is set really high and the aperture all the way open to offset having a fast shutter speed, leaving super grainy pictures with little to no blur.
5. Waiting on a case But this comes down to the case you choose...
1. Brightness is good enough, usually have the phone at 40-45% brightness... I like the HTC One screen better though. The Z1 screen is more, bland. The One screen speaks more to me.
2. At the moment a yellowish hue, believe it's introduced in the 534 firmware and should be fixable in future updates. Overall fine though. Viewing angles aren't great, but not an issue for me as I don't look at the phone from an angle when using it myself.
3. Comparable imo, can easily get 1 day and if I use it a bit less about 2 days on a singel charge with both devices.
4. Fine with proper lighting, but has a tendency to bump the ISO values bigtime (prolly in order to keep shuttertimes low, but resulting in quite some noise).
5. No idea, not using a case but it's big enough already without one.
Hi Fatelord,
Your thread has been moved from Xperia Z1 General to Xperia Z1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting. PLease post in the correct sub-forum in future.
--wedgess
For those saying the N5 has a washed out screen i advise you to watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlNcuBcnnoU
The N5 has a top notch screen, the viewing angles are abit off but the actual quality is amazing! It clearly outclasses the Xperia Z1, a £450+ phone which only got released recently, and the screen on that is meant to be an improvement on its predecessor the Z1, I feel sorry for the people who bought that O.O
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For those saying the N5 has a washed out screen i advise you to watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlNcuBcnnoU
The N5 has a top notch screen, the viewing angles are abit off but the actual quality is amazing! It clearly outclasses the Xperia Z1, a £450+ phone which only got released recently, and the screen on that is meant to be an improvement on its predecessor the Z1, I feel sorry for the people who bought that O.O
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To say that the N5's screen is great because it's better than the Z1's isn't saying a whole lot. That's like calling yourself fast bc you're only the 3 slowest kid in gym class. I've had both phones and still currently have my N5. I do find the N5 screen to be dull compared to most phones I've used and compared. That being said, as you raise the brightness the screen does look much nicer. It seems the brightness levels have more to do with it than the actual quality of the screen. The Z1 is a great phone but one plagued by terrible viewing angles. The screen which is still quite nice, isn't the best part of the phone so I wouldn't use it as a base of comparison to build up the N5's screen. I don't put a lot of weight into those "complaint threads" because the phone costs $349-$400, for what you pay you get a pretty good phone.
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A lot of people confuse over saturation as a nice screen and natural as dull. Since you can't really test the difference on a phone, if your TV has a standard or vivid mode then throw it on that. Then throw the TV into movie mode. It would look dull at first but that is the closest picture to a calibrated level you will get out of the box. Once your eyes adjust to that picture, then try going back to standard mode. You will never be able to watch an over saturated fake picture again.
Look at the picture in a movie theater, you can call that dull as well but these is what natural and real life look like.
Now, if they boosted up the contrast, that would improve the screen.
looks like we need someone with calibration equipment to do some testing. i mean compared to a samsung with whatever the latest iteration of amoled screen most do look dull. that doesn't mean the samsung is better. samsung tends to artificailly over saturate the colors and they usually have a high color temp and sometimes a green tint.
any photographers or printers out there willing to test the screen?
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looks like we need someone with calibration equipment to do some testing. i mean compared to a samsung with whatever the latest iteration of amoled screen most do look dull. that doesn't mean the samsung is better. samsung tends to artificailly over saturate the colors and they usually have a high color temp and sometimes a green tint.
any photographers or printers out there willing to test the screen?
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I'm really looking forward to the inevitable Anandtech review of this phone. Their reviews are almost absurdly detailed and they have lots of great, objective data.
Next to my Moto X and Note 3, my Nexus 5 DOES look washed out. That's the AMOLED effect.
I compared it to both my Nexus 7 and iPad Air and it looks almost identical. Almost every review I have seen claims that it is "washed out", but I'm beginning to think it's just a color neutral LCD screen.
Angeloftech (check out her youtube channel) does some very extensive screen tests in her reviews and talks about the calibration and what the numbers mean. She hasn't released her Nexus 5 review yet, but I suspect it's due any day. That will give us a little better indication of what this screen is about. For example, she called out the LG G2 as being oversaturated and nowhere near accurate. That screen looks great to me, but the tests don't lie. I think we have just become accustomed to oversaturated screens and it's skewing our perspective a little.
The colours are fine it's the white balance that's off it's too warm.
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Next to my Moto X and Note 3, my Nexus 5 DOES look washed out. That's the AMOLED effect.
I compared it to both my Nexus 7 and iPad Air and it looks almost identical. Almost every review I have seen claims that it is "washed out", but I'm beginning to think it's just a color neutral LCD screen.
Angeloftech (check out her youtube channel) does some very extensive screen tests in her reviews and talks about the calibration and what the numbers mean. She hasn't released her Nexus 5 review yet, but I suspect it's due any day. That will give us a little better indication of what this screen is about. For example, she called out the LG G2 as being oversaturated and nowhere near accurate. That screen looks great to me, but the tests don't lie. I think we have just become accustomed to oversaturated screens and it's skewing our perspective a little.
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You can have a "natural" colors and still have a "dull" or washed out screen. This isn't simply a case of AMOLED over saturation vs N5 and it's "natural" colors. My HTC Butterfly to me has the best screen I've seen. Mind you I own a 5S, Note 3, Butterfly S and N5 all currently. Its color reproduction, saturation, viewing angles and clarity to me best the others. The N5's colors are closer to "natural " then AMOLEDS however that being said is still on the dull side. The note has a clear, bright screen and tends to have improved the cartoonish saturation effect especially when in Movie Mode. Overall I think the N5's screen is OK but not my favorite.
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Her reviews make many of the big boys look like novice fanboys. She does in depth testing with LOTS of real world use reports. She takes the time to actually use these things and not be the first out the door with a review. Most importantly, she will put the screen under a scope so we can see what is going on. The nexus 5 screen to me looks amazing, very reminiscent of the calibration apple uses. Compared o the broken calibration that was the nexus 4, I think it is great.
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Nexus 5 is coming with 2 different panels
There are users who ordered 2 phones and these are different screen, one of them washed colors and yellow whites and the other is more cold and real whites like nexus 4
I prefer nexus 4 cause white is real white not sepia
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Nexus 5 is coming with 2 different panels
There are users who ordered 2 phones and these are different screen, one of them washed colors and yellow whites and the other is more cold and real whites like nexus 4
I prefer nexus 4 cause white is real white not sepia
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This wouldn't entirely surprise me. I've been scratching my heads about the threads about the yellow whites. I believe some people are experiencing it, especially since people have provided pictures. The white on my phone is a neutral or slightly cool white.
No yellow colors here. my xperia t has a more yellowish screen + is washed out a lot more
As far as I have used this device for a week, it seems color temperature is a bit too high. I hope there will be some kernels that has color temperature options.
Dani897 said:
looks like we need someone with calibration equipment to do some testing. i mean compared to a samsung with whatever the latest iteration of amoled screen most do look dull. that doesn't mean the samsung is better. samsung tends to artificailly over saturate the colors and they usually have a high color temp and sometimes a green tint.
any photographers or printers out there willing to test the screen?
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There was already a calibration test done. There is a link somewhere in one of these threads. It tested that the N5 had the closest colors to reference out of all the phones they tested. Maybe someone will find the link and post it here. They also tested brightness and contrast.
It was the contest that is scored towards the bottom of all the phones they tested.
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Next to my Moto X and Note 3, my Nexus 5 DOES look washed out. That's the AMOLED effect.
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Exactly. You can't go comparing Amoled against ISP. There two totally different technologies. When I compare the N5 to other ISP phones mine looks pretty damn good. Like any LCD though I will calibrate it to my taste once the kernels allow for that. This whole thread is literally "in the eye of the beholder."
I've seen 2 different Nexus 5 units here in Canada (at Virgin Mobile kiosks) and in both cases the colors were accurate and very good, though the
whites are a slight bit on the yellowish/warm side. Compared to an iPhone 5S, the whites on the 5S are brighter and cooler.
Well, the good news is that franco kernel is well under development (according to the original nexus development thread) and once it's complete, we should be able to use his app (Display Control) to calibrate the screen if we want to.
Here are a couple of tests run on the N5 and some other flagships and the results. Link pulled from another thread here.
http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...s-schermkwaliteit-scherp-en-dik-in-orde.html
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Here are a couple of tests run on the N5 and some other flagships and the results. Link pulled from another thread here.
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A//tweakers.net/reviews/3298/7/google-nexus-5-toptelefoon-met-scherpe-prijs-schermkwaliteit-scherp-en-dik-in-orde.html%0A
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Lol I read the article and wondered why it was written in English but read like the auther was drunk until I saw the web address and saw translate. Good read though, points are easily understood and sum up the comments of most.
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i think comparing the Z1 to N5 isnt fair anyway.
So what if the screen on the N5 is technically better? I've used both and...i didnt think the Z1 screen was that bad really. And viewing angles?
How many people use a personal device tilted to the sides? Most people are going to be looking straight at the thing when they're using it, 100% for me, it's a personal device and i'd be rather happy if others couldnt see whats on the screen.
And also "the Xperia Z1, a £450+ phone which only got released recently, and the screen on that is meant to be an improvement on its predecessor the Z1, I feel sorry for the people who bought that O.O"
really.
Feel sorry for the people who bought a very solid and well build phone?
Feel sorry for the people who dont have rattling buttons?
Feel sorry for the people who can happily drop it down a toilet and still have a functioning phone?
Feel sorry for the people who have a camera that's superbly better than the nexus 5?
Well done there mate.
So I might be getting another replacement One, and I'm wondering if the new Omnivision modules that they've started using are any good.. I was reading the specs on the website (model: OV4688) and it seems that it doesn't offer OIS, it says Electronic Image Stabilization on their website. Also, I read somewhere that they're very poor in low light.. Anyone got proof to back these up? Any pictures to show the differences between these? Also, any difference in the mic audio quality between the old and new batches?
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So I wrote about this in one of the purple camera fix threads. First I'll see I haven't noticed any puple/pink hues in any pics in lowlight. It seems to be performing well in that area. I also don't have a pink spot in the middle.
Occasionally in the outer edges I might notice some green tint in low light - particularly in rooms that have a shade of green in them already. It doesn't however grow and get worse. Its just the outer fringes. When I switch the camera from wide to regular crop it pretty much goes away. If not, its easily fixed with a quick touchup by adjusting the saturation with a custom effect in the gallery or just using aviary and the one click color fix. Also you can avoid it all together by adjusting saturation down a notch in the camera settings before taking a pic.
However.....what I have noticed is that in indoor lighting, even good lighting, the video recording frames per second maxes out at like 19-20. This is kind of a bummer. I mean I've turned on a all the lights in a really well lit room and could not achieve what I could in fps compared to the old sensor. I've tried different camera apps and they all max out at 19-20 in these light conditions, which tells me that its most likely set in the kernel. I wonder if this sensor has not been optimized fully by HTC yet. I think they've worked with three different sensors so far: ST electronics, Sharp, and Omnivision. Perhaps its hard to accomidate them all in the kernel - but I'm just speculating. there.
My compromise is to shoot indoor video at the 60fps mode, because that caps out indoors at 40fps.
I've fully tested video outdoors and even this morning indoors when there was no artificial light source and it recorded at a full 30 fps.
If what I think is true - that its not fully optimized at the kernel level it could be something HTC can push out in an update. Perhaps its hard for them to try to support 3 different sensors and find a balance...But this is just speculation on my part. Now I've lived in the same house and conditions for the past year and the old sensor had an edge up on fps than the Omni. I looked at some old videos shot indoors last night and fps was hovering around 29-30. So far this is my only gripe.
A note about the Sensor:
Early on Brian at AnandTech when he reviewed the One talked a bit about the Sensor HTC used when building the first Ones, and he also compared the ST sensor to the Omnivision sensor, because that Omni made its debut at the 2013 CES. Here is his review:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6747/htc-one-review/5
I find it interesting that 2 companies made identical sensors, ST and Omnivision according to Brian.
Overall I'm happy I sent my device in and had the sensor replaced, because in the end, no amount of quick photo tools or photoshop would help the purple tint issue.
Hope this helps.
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So I wrote about this in one of the purple camera fix threads. First I'll see I haven't noticed any puple/pink hues in any pics in lowlight. It seems to be performing well in that area. I also don't have a pink spot in the middle.
Occasionally in the outer edges I might notice some green tint in low light - particularly in rooms that have a shade of green in them already. It doesn't however grow and get worse. Its just the outer fringes. When I switch the camera from wide to regular crop it pretty much goes away. If not, its easily fixed with a quick touchup by adjusting the saturation with a custom effect in the gallery or just using aviary and the one click color fix. Also you can avoid it all together by adjusting saturation down a notch in the camera settings before taking a pic.
However.....what I have noticed is that in indoor lighting, even good lighting, the video recording frames per second maxes out at like 19-20. This is kind of a bummer. I mean I've turned on a all the lights in a really well lit room and could not achieve what I could in fps compared to the old sensor. I've tried different camera apps and they all max out at 19-20 in these light conditions, which tells me that its most likely set in the kernel. I wonder if this sensor has not been optimized fully by HTC yet. I think they've worked with three different sensors so far: ST electronics, Sharp, and Omnivision. Perhaps its hard to accomidate them all in the kernel - but I'm just speculating. there.
My compromise is to shoot indoor video at the 60fps mode, because that caps out indoors at 40fps.
I've fully tested video outdoors and even this morning indoors when there was no artificial light source and it recorded at a full 30 fps.
If what I think is true - that its not fully optimized at the kernel level it could be something HTC can push out in an update. Perhaps its hard for them to try to support 3 different sensors and find a balance...But this is just speculation on my part. Now I've lived in the same house and conditions for the past year and the old sensor had an edge up on fps than the Omni. I looked at some old videos shot indoors last night and fps was hovering around 29-30. So far this is my only gripe.
A note about the Sensor:
Early on Brian at AnandTech when he reviewed the One talked a bit about the Sensor HTC used when building the first Ones, and he also compared the ST sensor to the Omnivision sensor, because that Omni made its debut at the 2013 CES. Here is his review:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6747/htc-one-review/5
I find it interesting that 2 companies made identical sensors, ST and Omnivision according to Brian.
Overall I'm happy I sent my device in and had the sensor replaced, because in the end, no amount of quick photo tools or photoshop would help the purple tint issue.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks for the info!
Hi guys, I'm facing a problem with me Z1 C6903 with S/N CB51xx which I guess it's packed with JDC panel and from what I've understand, are one of the worst kind for Z1.
The colors are way to washed out for my taste, even if I look at the display dead on. I hate this....I've played with "White balance" on different settings, but didn't find anything that could fix colors being washed out. It's like, the screen is to bright from the factory to compensate the sunlight visibility, which I understand, it's really nice, but consequently the saturation gets washed out. I don't know what SONY was thinking....Opticontrast my asssss, I WANT VIVID COLORS damn it
Is there any solution to this ? A tweak in the build.prop or something, a workaround ? I'm running stock 4.4.4 / 14.4.A.0.157 btw.
Thx!
I know it's not justice for comparing the IPS desktop PC display vs Z1 display (see screenshot attachment), but just to get the idea of what I'm talking about.
Well... I didn't knew about different panels packed with different S/N groups. I have one starting with the same S/N CB512xxxx and to be honest I can't say it's bad or defective or simple placebo effect. The only thing that I've noticed is even on the highest brightness settings, my Z1 is way darker than my sister's M2 Acqua.
If it's a hardware issue as you stated then the only thing we can do about is change the panel and digitizer...
Edit: I bought mine on Germany.
Hi all
My other half has had a oneplus one for a few weeks and wanting something with the same horsepower but a little different in design I went for the Z1.
I find the Z1 quality in colour reproduction and brightness to be lacking compared to the Oneplus one both running CM.
Anyone care to comment ?
Please see the link below for some quick photos I snapped Z1 on the left , oneplus on the right
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Hey,
adaptive brightness and livedisplay has been off right ?
I checked my white Z1 once against a white iphone 6 plus and couldnt see much of a difference.
Against a black sony z3 compact the zuk z1 display is a bit more greenish .. the sony z3 display is pretty cold.
one tip, dont compare the ones to often. i once bought a used iphone 4s where the display has been swapped ... it freaked me out so much that i had to sell it because ive always seen the difference.
in normal day usage you wont see a tint.
edit: did you compare the devices without a screen protection? those can have quite an influence.
did u tried to configure your display in the settings? u can set the level of blue red and green colour
Yes, I think that`s literally the only major drawback of the Z1, the screen quality is really not too exciting. Make sure to color calibration in COS, my screen was way too yellowish before.
I have 2 Zuk Z1 devices. The oldest one has a better screen (same system, clean install).
Hi thank you all for your responses.
Adaptive brightness and live display were off.
I started playing around with some colour calibration to see if thing will improve.
Soulripper that would explain a lot of they switches panel supplier .
As you can see here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/zuk-z1/help/batch-screen-t3336418
I could obtain a satisfying result by playing with colour calibration, but it isn't as good.
i compared the iphone 6s plus of my brother with my own z1 and found my z1 display has warmer colors then the iphones. with livedisplay day 6800k it has the same color like the iphone display.
Thank you all ! I have been playing with the live display option and things have improved.
Also I have stopped looking at other phones