I am eyeing the Motorola X as a successor to my current SGS4. Should I buy? Or should I wait for the next MX (X2?)?
I am looking into the Developer Edition. Motorola has a horrible reputation for updates (Atrix, Droid), but they have started keeping up with the X, I dont want the Lenovo sale to mess it up.
I am pretty engrossed by the features it provides, but the Nexus 5 is also an option...
If you've been reading the buyout then the impression is that Lenovo will not interfere with it and let Motorola continue its development.
The S4 is a pretty powerful phone, it have bigger screen, higher resolution, much better camera, microSD and removable battery which the Moto X doesn't have. The Moto X is well optimized, with stock Android, good form factor that is easy to use with one hand, and come with useful features. They are two different experience. You'll just have to see what suit you more and what you're looking for in a phone.
If you are willing to flash custom rom for the S4 and don't care about the touchless control features, you might not need to get a Moto X.
I much prefer the color calibration on the Moto X AMOLED display, it's not over-saturated and have more accurate white tone to me. Also while the S4 display is 1080p, its screen still not RGB pixel arrangement, while the Moto X display is.
The Motorola sale won't impact the less than a year it has left for updates....so that should not factor into your decision.
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I will be using this phone for the next two years, so the buyout will affect me. Motorola will just be Motorola, but without the Google partnership. That can hurt a lot. I am pretty impressed with the moto x, and I love the touchless controls, that's why I considered it over the nexus 5...
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I will be using this phone for the next two years, so the buyout will affect me. Motorola will just be Motorola, but without the Google partnership. That can hurt a lot. I am pretty impressed with the moto x, and I love the touchless controls, that's why I considered it over the nexus 5...
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You can use the phone for 10 years....but with the unofficial 18 months of updates Google started....the Moto x has less than a year left to get updates.....no matter who owns the Moto x. The sale won't change anything that would or wouldn't happen in that short period. So weather Google owns Motorola or anyone else....updates will be done for the X before the sale matters to Motorola.
Get what I'm saying? Custom roms will be the Moto x's only updates by the time any changes happen at Motorola.
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Again...if you want the x....get it. The new owners may or may not mess up Motorola some day....but it won't affect the X....it will already be done getting updates by then.
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The truth is if you but any other flagship that isn't a Nexus you are not guaranteed long updates period either. The fact that the Moto X have stock Android may give it longer update period than other phones with bloated UI. There is no reason why it should stop getting updates just because Lenovo bought it.
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Guys I have a xperia S and I want a new phone and I am considering the moto x but in Mexico the only version of the moto x it's the 16gb version compared with the 32gb of the xperia S.
It's worthing buy the 16gb moto x even if I lose 16gb of the 32 of the xperia S?
And I consider too the xperia zl so what do you think about the zl and the moto x?
Plz help me to decide
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Guys I have a xperia S and I want a new phone and I am considering the moto x but in Mexico the only version of the moto x it's the 16gb version compared with the 32gb of the xperia S.
It's worthing buy the 16gb moto x even if I lose 16gb of the 32 of the xperia S?
And I consider too the xperia zl so what do you think about the zl and the moto x?
Plz help me to decide
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With the Moto X 16GB, you will only get 11GB of usable space. You can try to use some cloud storage to offset your data. You get 50gb of Google Drive storage when you buy a new Moto X.
Sony just announced end of life support for the Xperia S, no reason to get it: http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...or-the-xperia-s-xperia-ion-xperia-u-and-more/
The hardware of the Xperia S is not very good anymore. I've used the Snapdragon 3 chip on the American version of Galaxy SII, it's not very smooth and you might even struggle to play some 1080p contents. I can tell you from experience the Qualcomm S4 chip and KitKat 4.4 on the MotoX vs S3 chip and 4.1 with bloated UI on the Xperia S is night and day difference. Even the Moto G is a faster phone than the Xperia S and have latest version of Android.
The ZL on the other hand is a better phone, it have microSD support. It have 1080p screen, but poor viewing angle though. I don't think Sony will update their phones as well compared to Motorola, even though they are being bought by Lenovo I still think they will keep up with the updates. I love the Moto X for the stock Android experience, there are lots of things unique about it, but if storage space is your biggest needs then ZL may be better for you.
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Then I think that I will go for the ZL if I can find in the Internet a motox of 32gb I'll buy it If not the ZL thanks
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The moto x is a decent phone. I got one in a trade and I like it, but the screen is too small for me. After using a note 2 it is hard to go to a smaller screen.
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Hi everyone,
I recently bought a Moto G 16gb for 199 euros and one of my classmates is ready to buy it from me for the same price.
I am seriously considering selling it to him and buy myself a new phone but i am confused
Should i stick to Moto G or sell it to him and buy one of these Moto X or Nexus 5 (16gb) or HTC One mini or Sony Xperia Z (the four devices come around 349 euros, i will be paying 150 more from my pocket)..
I have not included Samsung in the list (never like it) and i havent used Sony or HTC before. I live in Germany and LTE is not an absolute must, however good battery is a must though.
Suggestions please!!
Thanks in advance
Sanjay
Moto g and Moto x are far far away. If you can buy a moto x for 150 more do it.
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The Moto X is the best choice from that list if you factor in battery life. If battery life isn't important, than maybe Nexus 5 is better.
Nexus 5 have wireless charging, better camera, 1080p screen, and more developers for custom roms.
Moto X have better battery life, unique features like Touchless Control and Active Display, smaller size and better form factor, great sounding speaker and good voice quality.
If you want a very fast phone, root and flash custom roms a lot, get a Nexus 5. If you want a good experience right out of the box with good battery life, get Moto X.
Thanks everyone
Got myself a Moto X (Moto Maker is not available in Germany which was the only bummer)
Have both, MG and MX. The X feels far more better in the hand, although the MG is really good.
Grüße aus Köln
Just got a moto x but I like my moto g more
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Hey all,
So I'm due for a phone. Currently using the HTC DNA on Verizon.
I was all about the Moto X(2014) until I heard about the Droid Turbo, which looks pretty sweet.
These are my concerns:
Moto X will probably have a larger Dev community, as the turbo is a Verizon exclusive.
The Turbo will probably have a lot more bloat than the Moto X.
The Moto X boasts a 'Pure' android experience, and while nothing has been speculated software wise on the turbo, it will likely be similar, but with a **** ton of Verizon bull****.
Does the higher resolution screen, extra gig of ram and faster processor worth it?
What are your suggestions?
Thanks
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The Moto X boasts a 'Pure' android experience, and while nothing has been speculated software wise on the turbo, it will likely be similar, but with a **** ton of Verizon bull****.
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There will be no difference on bloat. The turbo may have extra droid stuff (like circle widgets and that zap thing) but moto X on vzw still comes with vzw bloat (this is based on my 2013 X having vzw bloat)
The new X has 8 Verizon apps. I have disabled 5 of them. Verizon Voicemail can not be disabled. I use the hotspot app and the Verizon mobile app to check data usage.
I'd add another phone into the mix, supposed rumors detail the Nexus 6 is coming to Verizon.
http://pocketnow.com/2014/10/02/verizon-nexus-6
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Hey all,
So I'm due for a phone. Currently using the HTC DNA on Verizon.
I was all about the Moto X(2014) until I heard about the Droid Turbo, which looks pretty sweet.
These are my concerns:
Moto X will probably have a larger Dev community, as the turbo is a Verizon exclusive.
The Turbo will probably have a lot more bloat than the Moto X.
The Moto X boasts a 'Pure' android experience, and while nothing has been speculated software wise on the turbo, it will likely be similar, but with a **** ton of Verizon bull****.
Does the higher resolution screen, extra gig of ram and faster processor worth it?
What are your suggestions?
Thanks
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If you are sticking with Verizon, then the Droid. better specs, better screen, better battery. But going back to carrier lock and carrier bloat is not something I am willing to do after leaving Sprint last year. I'll be activating an X or Nexus on either T-mo or Cricket soon. Can always walk away if I'm not happy.
I bet the screen brightness will push many to the Turbo. More juice to allow a brighter display. So it was with the X/Maxx dilemma.
FYI: The manual for the Turbo leaked.
http://gizmodo.com/leaked-droid-turbo-manual-shows-a-super-powered-motorol-1644058683
I went with the X because I don't like the droid branding or the fact that it has capacitive navigation buttons, like the galaxy phones still cling to.
The one benefit of capacitive is that they can't burn in at least. I got the new moto x and love it. Might still get the Note 4 instead though. I'd rather have a 16 mp camera on Samsung then a 21 with bad software. That's the only ring Motorola can't get to be great. Camera software.
Ah man, I'm on day 13 of moto x 2014 and now news of droid turbo leaks. Better battery, hopefully more storage and same software features. Thinking about returning moto x to wait for turbo.
Turbo has good specs, but looks like moto went back in time 5 years in the design department
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Turbo has good specs, but looks like moto went back in time 5 years in the design department
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Yeah, but I'll take specs over looks as long as it still feels good in the hand/pocket.
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Function over form:
Returning my moto x. I love it, but the entire package is way better on the turbo. It seems exactly like a 5 inch version of the nexus 6. I even set up an exchange for a different moto x yesterday and I contact moto today to get my money back.
Droid life is reporting that the battery code listed on the Turbo benchmark sheet relates to a 3,900mAh battery spotted in China.
Not too shabby.
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I ended up returning my moto x, hopefully these droid turbo rumors prove to be true.
Yeah, function over form, but who can feel performance difference over any flagship device out this month? I have an iPhone 6, moto x, M8 and they all perform the same. The only draw back I have is the camera on the x sucks, like really really bad and no good cases for the x. Otherwise, I like the near pure android experience of the x over sense and iOS. And the x just looks so much better than the other 2
The only reasoning I have to keep my moto x is that it's the pure edition so it will most certainly get updates quicker than the droid and it's rocking and unlocked bootloader
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The only reasoning I have to keep my moto x is that it's the pure edition so it will most certainly get updates quicker than the droid and it's rocking and unlocked bootloader
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Yes, the Turbo ill most assuredly have a locked bootloader, be almost impossible to Root, and probably never see anything past Android L.
But dear god, those specs.
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Yes, the Turbo ill most assuredly have a locked bootloader, be almost impossible to Root, and probably never see anything past Android L.
But dear god, those specs.
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I'm just hoping that att version that went through the FCC is legit.
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The one benefit of capacitive is that they can't burn in at least. I got the new moto x and love it. Might still get the Note 4 instead though. I'd rather have a 16 mp camera on Samsung then a 21 with bad software. That's the only ring Motorola can't get to be great. Camera software.
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Burn in? Lol. These aren't plasma TV screens.
The nexus 6 was just announced and it looks to be a beast. Why was the reason you pulled the trigger on the moto x instead of waiting for the nexus 6 ? My reason is I knew it was going to be expensive... Second off all 5.9 is too big. I understand the 805 chip is better, but the 801 is really not that far off ? Do you regret buying your moto x ? I would like to know every ones opinion
I went with Moto X because I wasn't sure whether the Nexus 6 was going to be 5.2" or 5.9". I figured that with the delivery and the return period that I could check out the Moto X and return it if the Nexus 6 was a 5.2" phone. I love everything about the Nexus 6, except the size. I'll be keeping the Moto X. 5.2" is almost too big, 5.9" as your only offering is just completely stupid imo. I understand that there are some people out there think that bigger is better, but I'm willing to bet that a majority aren't interested in a phone that large. Polls have shown this.
1) size - 5.9 is outside of my consideration
2) personalization - loving my teak back
Though I do wish moto would've added Qi charging to the X.
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The nexus 6 was just announced and it looks to be a beast. Why was the reason you pulled the plug on the moto x instead of waiting for the nexus 6 ? My reason is I knew it was going to be expensive... Second off all 5.9 is too big. I understand the 805 chip is better, but the 801 is really not that far off ? Do you regret buying your moto x ? I would like to know every ones opinion
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I believe you meant pull the trigger. Pulling the plug implies taking somebody off life support to kill them.
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1) size - 5.9 is outside of my consideration
2) personalization - loving my teak back
Though I do wish moto would've added Qi charging to the X.
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You just nailed it! If the new nexus was 5.2", it would be competing directly with the Moto X. You chose the option best for you, and for that, you are a good cat!
Size
Seriously, Motorola has 3 new devices. They only needed one.
Moto X design language and customization. Droid Turbo hardware including screen size and resolution, Nexus 6 pure android support and the 65 GB memory size availability. Put those elements of the phones together and the single device would be better than any one of the three.
Size, phablets are a blight on society :laugh: If the Nexus 6 were <5.2 I would've considered it, although it would be tough to give up my leather back
And the fact that, while Android L will add most of these, I find that the moto additions to stock android to be extremely value add.
Size is the true factor. In hind sight I would have likely gone with the turbo.
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Size and Bamboo!
Once I started reading that the Nexus would be designed based of the X, I figured why wait and also the bamboo back is just awesome.
You do lose quick Android updates, but to be honest, this thing stock is just as good as any phone I've ever used.
I've been spoiled by CM ever since I've had an Android device, but couldn't be happier with my choice to get the Moto X.
I went with the X for the size and close to stock Android feel. That nexus 6 is just too damn big.
5.9 too much, too expensive compared to the X, dont need all that battery, too much screen on QHD
The X is all i need, enough battery and moto maker.
And yes the 805 and the 801 are pretty much the same
I went with the Moto X since I needed a new phone. With today's announcement, I'm glad I bought it. The N6, being 5.96 inches in screen size is so darn big. The price is too high. For 64gb, I would be spending probably $700. I could get a financing plan through T-Mobile but still, that's expensive. Being a tech geek though, it's still tempting
The thing n6 has is the better camera sensor, imx214. Moto X has imx115 or whatever (older). N6 has OIS also. Also, the fact n6 has a 64gb option is good. Let's not forget lte band 12
I'll wait until 64bit chips and 4gb ram phones are out. QHD will probably be the standard next year
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As someone earlier said, the Nexus 6 is essentially a Moto X Note. You have multiple size options and price points, Motorola played this one well. Moto G, Moto X, Nexus 6
For us crackflashers/hackers/wannabe Developers it is a bummer since the Moto X is not unlockable and rootable (atleast not yet). However Motorola was smart not to make a phone that would compete directly with the one they just created....with better specs.
Verizon. Need I say more.
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GatorsUF said:
As someone earlier said, the Nexus 6 is essentially a Moto X Note. You have multiple size options and price points, Motorola played this one well. Moto G, Moto X, Nexus 6
For us crackflashers/hackers/wannabe Developers it is a bummer since the Moto X is not unlockable and rootable (atleast not yet). However Motorola was smart not to make a phone that would compete directly with the one they just created....with better specs.
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You could even say that theres the Moto X 2013 for someone looking for a cheaper, smaller and still very very good flagship phone.
So you have the Moto E & Moto G for budget/entry devices, the X 2013 for cheaper and smaller flagship, the X 2014 for the new flagship device and the Nexus 6 for a phablet
After all every Motorola phone its pretty much a Nexus device
For those who want woodback for their Nexus 6, ToastMade will eventually release a woodback for it, so no worry there.
I actually was looking forward to buying the Nexus 6 as backup device for my Moto X, to use as a tablet and backup phone. At $649 I would get it as my primary device, which I will not since it's too large, but not as a backup device. So I bought a used Nexus 7 for ablet instead.
For back up phone, I think I will just get the Sprint Moto X 2013 and GSM unlock it, or a Nexus 5.
6 inch screen is way too big. Super happy with my moto x and leather back and green accents. As everyone else said, I will miss the unlocked boot loader and all that but I can live without it. Stock moto x is a great phone.
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The design of the Moto X just really appeals to me more than the Nexus 6 did, from what I could tell of the many leaks and teasers. There's something wonderfully different about having a high-tech phone with a visibly wooden back. The Nexus 6 is just another plastic device. As soon as I found out the Nexus was going to be closer to phablet size I knew it wasn't for me. Moto X is a great size for me.
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You do lose quick Android updates (...)
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No, you don't!
Previous phone was a Samsung Galaxy S 3 International, originally decided to wait to see what the next Nexus was all about.
Saw that it was a phone for whales, bought Moto X.
Speaking of which, whats this Pure edition stuff people keep mentioning about?
Hello everyone, I'm currently using Samsung Galaxy S3 Mini, and about to buy a new mobile, I'm not looking for superb high end devices, so I was going with the Sony Xperia Z3 Compact, but after reading more about the glass breaking issue, I wanted to review more options, so I found this one, Motorola Moto X 2014 (2nd generation). All I need is to hear your opinions as users, any issues? Is there a better option for almost the same price? Any comment is appreciated.
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The moto x is a high end device. There are some good deals on it and the price has come way down. If you want to save money look at the moto g. It's probably the best bang for your buck.
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The moto x is a high end device. There are some good deals on it and the price has come way down. If you want to save money look at the moto g. It's probably the best bang for your buck.
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I meant by superb high end devices those very new ones, Galaxy S6, iPhone 6, HTC One M9, etc..
Moto X 2014 is very good for me as specifications, as well as the price. Regarding the Moto G, it's kinda close to the S3 Mini (as far as I remember).
Do you think it is worth waiting for the 2015 version? Not to buy it, but for a price cut for the 2014 one.
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I meant by superb high end devices those very new ones, Galaxy S6, iPhone 6, HTC One M9, etc..
Moto X 2014 is very good for me as specifications, as well as the price. Regarding the Moto G, it's kinda close to the S3 Mini (as far as I remember).
Do you think it is worth waiting for the 2015 version? Not to buy it, but for a price cut for the 2014 one.
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It's already cut. Have you been to the moto maker page? Originally it was 550-600. You can get it for 399 until the 12th. The m9, g4, and s6 have better hardware. They're also newer. I would put the iPhone 6 the s5 the moto x the m8 and g3 in the same boat. You said you were looking at compact phones. That's why I listed the moto g. There's a big size difference in the z3 compact and the moto x.
Can you link me to the page you are talking about?
Well, I'm looking for a small sized mobile, but with high specs, I'm not demanding latest hardware, but some high ones, so the Xperia Z3 Compact was my perfect device until that glass issue. I really dislike the trend of making those large screens and even getting larger and larger.
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http://www.motorola.com/us/motorola-shop-all-sale.html
I think the z3 compact was a 4.6" while the moto x is the same size as the z3 5.2"
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http://www.motorola.com/us/motorola-shop-all-sale.html
I think the z3 compact was a 4.6" while the moto x is the same size as the z3 5.2"
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Thanks.
That's true, I hope I can find another one like it :/
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I was curious about the smallest flagship phone you could get. The nexus 5 is also a good choice. It's right at 5 inch.
https://gigaom.com/2014/10/13/best-phones-under-5-inches-2014/
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I was curious about the smallest flagship phone you could get. The nexus 5 is also a good choice. It's right at 5 inch.
https://gigaom.com/2014/10/13/best-phones-under-5-inches-2014/
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However the nexus 5 is now discontinued. It is no longer sold on the nexus website. So that is something to keep in mind.
kcustom11 said:
I was curious about the smallest flagship phone you could get. The nexus 5 is also a good choice. It's right at 5 inch.
https://gigaom.com/2014/10/13/best-phones-under-5-inches-2014/
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It's in my list. Though, I have a concern on its battery. For example, GSM Arena's battery endurance rating is 38 for Nexus 5, 42 for Galaxy S3 Mini, 48 for Moto X 2014, while Z3 Compact is 101! Of course they may not be perfect or whatsoever, but it gives an indication.
You may say okay, your main request or feature is a compact device, but 5" and 5.2" are not that much far, are they?
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However the nexus 5 is now discontinued. It is no longer sold on the nexus website. So that is something to keep in mind.
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Oh, thanks for the info!
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I have a deal of used XT1060 for 116$. Is the 2013 Moto X still worth buying? Is it still considered a "top" mobile phone?
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I have a deal of used XT1060 for 116$. Is the 2013 Moto X still worth buying? Is it still considered a "top" mobile phone?
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Moto X (2013) is no longer considered a "top" phone. Even when it was new it was never considered a "proper flagship". But while it lacked in specs and raw power, it was the usability of the device as a whole what made it a charming phone.
I think $116 is not a bad price for one, considering it is in good/excellent condition. If you are looking for a good phone, with all the basics covered, that sits comfortably in your hand, the Moto X is the way to go. If you want raw power and good AnTuTu scores you should look somewhere else.
getting a deal on a mint dev edition moto x verizon. Will this work on gsm networks outside the states? really getting it to run cm 12.1.
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Moto X (2013) is no longer considered a "top" phone. Even when it was new it was never considered a "proper flagship". But while it lacked in specs and raw power, it was the usability of the device as a whole what made it a charming phone.
I think $116 is not a bad price for one, considering it is in good/excellent condition. If you are looking for a good phone, with all the basics covered, that sits comfortably in your hand, the Moto X is the way to go. If you want raw power and good AnTuTu scores you should look somewhere else.
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I see. I'm certainly not looking for a smartphone for gaming, but I think I'll go with the 2014 version after what you've said.
If the size of the Moto X 2014 is not a problem for you, I would recommend that one. I'm too used to 4.7" phones, so I'm still struggling to decide what device to move to from here.
If you can get it new, do it!
A 2 yo used phone could have battery issues, so I wouldn't recommend it... (The phone is however still good, with latest OS and everything you need. Except gaming raw power. But Motorola was never about raw power.)
Better Wait for few days
Moto X 2013, if you go by configuration and cheap pricing for old phone i would suggest you to go for it. But if you can add more money and wait for MOTO X Style (coming this sep) you'll get a far much better configuration which will stand out with the nxt gen OS also. Thinking ahead in 2 years.
So my suggestion go for Moto X Style.
Hmm. I love my Moto-X 1st gen (XT-1055) US Cellular. Now on Lollipop.
As for battery. It can get replaced in the future. Go to youtube and check out the videos.
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If the size of the Moto X 2014 is not a problem for you, I would recommend that one. I'm too used to 4.7" phones, so I'm still struggling to decide what device to move to from here.
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Same. Just went for the Sony Xperia z3 Compact. Had it for a couple of days. Although I miss some things about the moto x, I like this so far. We don't really have any other options haha.
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Moto X 2013, if you go by configuration and cheap pricing for old phone i would suggest you to go for it. But if you can add more money and wait for MOTO X Style (coming this sep) you'll get a far much better configuration which will stand out with the nxt gen OS also. Thinking ahead in 2 years.
So my suggestion go for Moto X Style.
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I just don't have that extra money for the X Style, or generally, any premium 2015 smartphone.
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If the size of the Moto X 2014 is not a problem for you, I would recommend that one. I'm too used to 4.7" phones, so I'm still struggling to decide what device to move to from here.
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Done! Moto X 2014 (Pure Edition) is now on its way. only 250$ for new sealed box. That's about twice as the 1st gen deal but it's one year younger and new from the factory.