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Saw this on the cingular forums. Looks like it will be on the 19th.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060613/nytu118.html?.v=56
I think they just said an update.. Is it an entirely new rom?
thats good news, too bad i sold my phone for a dopod S300 (htc startrek) smartphone...
Thanks for the info bro.. Nice to see finally the official one coming out this month...
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Saw this on the cingular forums. Looks like it will be on the 19th.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060613/nytu118.html?.v=56
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Looks like they may change the pricing to force DirectPush users to purchase a special plan al la BB. That sucks.
I mean, come on, DirectPush is not like BB where Cingular has to host servers to support it .... DirectPush requried *no* support from Cingular at all and as such they should not expect a premium for it's usage, IMHO. But, business is business.
I can understand (although I don't agree with) the idea of charging more for a "PDA" plan than a data plan from a "not-so-smart" handset - Let's face it, the data usage on a device used to check email regularly is going to use the network far more than a WAP browser.
(Of course, as "dumb" handsets gain more features, and the data services get faster, that rationale may start to fall apart)
What I think is unconscionable is to take two devices that offer the exact same email capabilities (at least with regard to data transport), operate at the same speed, etc. (i.e., the 2125 and 8125) and charge different rates for each of them... Is the idea to punish an 8125 user for going with a bigger form factor (which is why many people may choose that device), or for using additional PPC-specific software that doesn't touch the EDGE network?
If they want to start tiering the services and restricting ports to those that don't pay the higher fees, that would be one thing - but charging differently based on which handset you're using??? give me a #[email protected]$! break!
amg212 said:
I can understand (although I don't agree with) the idea of charging more for a "PDA" plan than a data plan from a "not-so-smart" handset - Let's face it, the data usage on a device used to check email regularly is going to use the network far more than a WAP browser.
(Of course, as "dumb" handsets gain more features, and the data services get faster, that rationale may start to fall apart)
What I think is unconscionable is to take two devices that offer the exact same email capabilities (at least with regard to data transport), operate at the same speed, etc. (i.e., the 2125 and 8125) and charge different rates for each of them... Is the idea to punish an 8125 user for going with a bigger form factor (which is why many people may choose that device), or for using additional PPC-specific software that doesn't touch the EDGE network?
If they want to start tiering the services and restricting ports to those that don't pay the higher fees, that would be one thing - but charging differently based on which handset you're using??? give me a #[email protected]$! break!
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I agree with all of the above. It will be interesting to see how they "detect" DP users. Perhaps they will block the heartbeat ports by default and open them for DP "subscribers".
Extra features from other ROMs?
So, I wonder if the new ROM will be interesting enough to warrant an upgrade away from the other ROM's that are out there?
I haven't upgraded myself yet (I'm dangerously close to doing so), but features like the "turbo" button / overclocking thing would sure be nice sometimes.
TTFN
I guess a question that should be asked is what happens to those already paying for the PDA Data Connect. Will we have to pay more? No one has said for sure and my call to Cingular CS was a waste of time.
Yay for T-Mobile and completely unlimited data + hotspot for $30/mo.
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It will be interesting to see how they "detect" DP users. Perhaps they will block the heartbeat ports by default and open them for DP "subscribers".
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Or maybe create a dedicated APN for heartbeat users (a la Blackberry)
my 8125 is still running on my attwireless plan, and my 'data plan' is mmode unlimited. I'm willing to bet that when dp comes out I'll be able to use it without any problems. I could be wrong, but they seemingly don't care about attw users, so I'm thinking that I'll be able to slip under the radar.
Here is a dumb question - with summiter's 2.3 ROM is push mail available? if so what options are there for the pushing without an exchange server?
I don't want to keep an app running on my pc all day...
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Here is a dumb question - with summiter's 2.3 ROM is push mail available? if so what options are there for the pushing without an exchange server?
I don't want to keep an app running on my pc all day...
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Push Mail is available with any of the AKU 2.0 ROMs.
As for leaving an app running all day...well, if you're runing Exchange Server on your PC that's probably all you're running on that PC.
That said there are a few ISPs that offer Exchange email, mail2web.com and 1and1.com are the two that come to mind right away.
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Here is a dumb question - with summiter's 2.3 ROM is push mail available? if so what options are there for the pushing without an exchange server?
I don't want to keep an app running on my pc all day...
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The release of this is targeted more at corporations running exchange than your day to day pc user. Exchange server is a very expensive piece of enterprise software that people spend years learning how to use. If you were able to set up an exchange server on your home pc in a few hours with no prior knowledge, I'd bow to you. In any case, its a great thing for those of us with a company with exchange, direct push is awesome.
Blocking DirectPush
Something tells me it will work just fine. Am I mistaken that you keep the terms of your plan for as long as you're on it? I have a plan that doesn't exist anymore, and they haven't changed it.
As for DP, can they block the port? Isn't it an HTTP connection? Or is it a non-port 80 HTTP connection? I dunno... I think it will still work, but if you want to start NOW it will cost you.
I could be wrong, but it's working now for me and I'm not paying extra.
Hell, my cingular profile still says I have a SMT5600 and that's two phones ago.
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Something tells me it will work just fine. Am I mistaken that you keep the terms of your plan for as long as you're on it? I have a plan that doesn't exist anymore, and they haven't changed it.
As for DP, can they block the port? Isn't it an HTTP connection? Or is it a non-port 80 HTTP connection? I dunno... I think it will still work, but if you want to start NOW it will cost you.
I could be wrong, but it's working now for me and I'm not paying extra.
Hell, my cingular profile still says I have a SMT5600 and that's two phones ago.
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DP is a non-http/80 port. They could very well block it because they are the service provider, and they can decide to provide the servce, or deny it.
I'm very much on the boat of being pissed for paying more for a larger phone. Hell, the phone itself is more, why do I have to pay more to use it? Wonder if this is an issue, say I've got a 2125, give me the cheaper data plan, how would they know the device is different? The only, I repeat ONLY way they could tell is if they implemented an IMEI check every time a DP protocol was initiated. I would imagine this would be wasted bandwidth, and cingular wouldn't give a rats ass other than they wanna make the money where it can be made - that said if you can shell out a few more pesos for the bigger, better phone, then cingular comes along with their bigger better **** to ram you with... flippin' corporate america... when's it gonna stop.
RE: the t-mo user, yeah, t-mo, horray, don't work hardly anywhere I am, and the voice quality blows - unfortunately here in the Bay Area, I need my phone to have better service. I'd rather go with MetroPCS before t-mo... horrible phone cust svc, horrible support, horrible CS people, plain poor network for where I am. I don't like to dog networks, but man, T-MO is a long way from being 'acceptable' for Cali's Bay Area.
I'll tell you what my friends... just wait until Metro offers u/l web browsing and data for $5/mo on their a-la-carte plans... maybe then the big dicks of Verizon, Sprint, and Cingular will come off their high horses and help us little people out with a reasonable u/l data plan, like $20 flat fee, don't care what device you have - u/l text, data, pix. That'd be the day.
t-mobile's service is horrible EVERYWHERE, and my friend just quit them for that reason today. i have cingular, and i really like cingular. i haven't had a dropped call in well over 5 months now (the original issue was related to a weather program plugin for my 8125), and i have $20 unlimited internet/1500 txt/50mms. i'm not really caring about 3g at all now...
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Something tells me it will work just fine. Am I mistaken that you keep the terms of your plan for as long as you're on it? I have a plan that doesn't exist anymore, and they haven't changed it.
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Cingular could easily block the port and charge for it if it wished to do so.
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I'm very much on the boat of being pissed for paying more for a larger phone. Hell, the phone itself is more, why do I have to pay more to use it? Wonder if this is an issue, say I've got a 2125, give me the cheaper data plan, how would they know the device is different?
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The device type can be checked every time it is powered on and registers on a tower. If a carrier really does want to tie service cost to a device it can.
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RE: the t-mo user, yeah, t-mo, horray, don't work hardly anywhere I am, and the voice quality blows - unfortunately here in the Bay Area, I need my phone to have better service. I'd rather go with MetroPCS before t-mo... horrible phone cust svc, horrible support, horrible CS people, plain poor network for where I am. I don't like to dog networks, but man, T-MO is a long way from being 'acceptable' for Cali's Bay Area.
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Wow, I'm suprised to see a Bay Area person NOT like T-Mobile. I'm also in the Bay Area and coverage is fantastic. Dropped calls simply aren't an issue. Get EDGE coverage everywhere and CS has been pretty top notch when calling in with an esoteric combination of unsupported devices and getting them to work. Cingular's not bad, but there are plenty of places in SF where the T-Mobile line gets a crystal clear connection, but the Cingular line has issues holding the connection to a Cingular tower. When that happens I just force it to roam on the T-Mobile tower.
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stormj said:
Something tells me it will work just fine. Am I mistaken that you keep the terms of your plan for as long as you're on it? I have a plan that doesn't exist anymore, and they haven't changed it.
As for DP, can they block the port? Isn't it an HTTP connection? Or is it a non-port 80 HTTP connection? I dunno... I think it will still work, but if you want to start NOW it will cost you.
I could be wrong, but it's working now for me and I'm not paying extra.
Hell, my cingular profile still says I have a SMT5600 and that's two phones ago.
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DP is a non-http/80 port.
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Actually, over-the-air Activesync runs over port 80
I know that there is some carriers that charge extra if you are using your mobile phone internet (AP) to acess internet from a computer/notebook?
I have heard that some carriers charges extra if you share you internet with a computer by tethering, but I would like to know if my carrier cab detect that I'm sharing internet using the AP feature instead of tethering. Does my carrer can detect when I'm using the phone as AP? Will they charge me extra for this?
Thanks
usually Carriers that do that, will have separate APN for each type of devices
chances are they will not know
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usually Carriers that do that, will have separate APN for each type of devices
chances are they will not know
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I was wondering that. If I use the phone as a modem, I have to make a dialup connection (or a similar connection) that the Carrier can detect. But If the Access point process is handled by the phone itself (the phone that will give IP address for each device) I wonder if the carrier will able to detect it.
Like using a router: My broadband provider doesn't know if I have a router or how many devices I have connected to this router. They only know that one device is using one IP address. I don't think they can see anything else beyond that, aside from the fact that they will be receiving several http requests at the same time.
exactly
if you are unsure, just try it this month, and see the bill at the end of the month to see if they charge you anything extra
use a program like http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.aob.android.mnm
then you have an idea of how much data you used, and can compare at the end of the month when you cell phone bill arrives.
if you have a low monthly limit say 512 MB or 1 GB
then use this one http://www.appbrain.com/app/net.rgruet.android.g3watchdog
it gives you good warning
Easier just to call them but not give info
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ickyboo said:
Easier just to call them but not give info
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hmmm... no
you do that, it will raise the flag in your account, then they will charge you extra
it has happened to me before, calling is a big no no
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hmmm... no
you do that, it will raise the flag in your account, then they will charge you extra
it has happened to me before, calling is a big no no
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Thats why I say not give info! just a general inquiry
There are ways to detect NAT/Tethering, but I doubt many ISP's do so, because it probably isn't 100% reliable and it would spark an uproar probably
http://www.codewhore.com/nat4.html
http://www.sflow.org/detectNAT/
I can't believe telcos can get away with bs charges just because you teether. Thank god they don't do it here in australia (yet) but then again we pay through our ass for data and voice.
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I remember when the telcos would disable teether in roms until you play for it. Then why does sgs have the apps enabled if you can't use it. So they charge you later? I would cry foul if they charged me after i used it and say if they didn't want me to use it then why leave it in rom
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So with flashing a custom rom with 2.2, there's obviously the "mobile AP" function that's built into 2.2.
But my question is this: with ATT coming out with a $-per-month wireless tethering plan, will there come a time when they will be able to detect if we're using our phone's built in tethering, and automatically opt us into the $X a month plan?
Also, I've read other plans where you may get 2GB for the phone's data, and then an additional 2GB for tethered devices. How can they keep track of this? Can they tell if I am using my phone's tethering capabilities.
Obviously I'd like to continue to use my wifi tethering free of charge, and not have to pay ATT for their own service, much like Google Navigation vs ATT Navigator.
Curious about this as well. Came up in a conversation today at work. There was debate between tethering on Android and the iPhone. Any one have insight?
trekie86 said:
Curious about this as well. Came up in a conversation today at work. There was debate between tethering on Android and the iPhone. Any one have insight?
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AT&T won't know if u tether through ur phone using android API. But u got to be careful as they can make out based on the amount of traffic u use.
Well, I can speak for the android phones but the never detected me doing it with my blackberry for the last 4 years.
Once they release their "version" I'll be able to report on the captivate as I will use it as much as possible.
Unless u have unlimited data plan, ATT should not care about it at all.
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i have the $30 grandfathered unlimited plan... i hooked up to wifi last month to download a 4.6gb torrent... they havent said anything...
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i have the $30 grandfathered unlimited plan... i hooked up to wifi last month to download a 4.6gb torrent... they havent said anything...
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Excellent example of why grandfathering will be phased out. Already doing it to the old blue plans.
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i have the $30 grandfathered unlimited plan... i hooked up to wifi last month to download a 4.6gb torrent... they havent said anything...
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But here he said "hooked to wi-fi", not cell network. Well, unless he means to have enabled tethering and connected it to his laptop.
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Excellent example of why grandfathering will be phased out. Already doing it to the old blue plans.
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+1
This is why at&t says that max bandwidth is used by less than 1% of their network users. And for a company this big, cutting/forcing data plan on this 1% shouldn't be a big deal, even if they threaten to leave, to ensure quality service to rest of the customers.
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But here he said "hooked to wi-fi", not cell network. Well, unless he means to have enabled tethering and connected it to his laptop.
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This is why at&t says that max bandwidth is used by less than 1% of their network users. And for a company this big, cutting/forcing data plan on this 1% shouldn't be a big deal, even if they threaten to leave, to ensure quality service to rest of the customers.
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i was wifi tethering... and i checked last months usage, was wrong on the amt, i barely broke 2gb for the month, but it was all that torrent... took like 20+ hours to download it all... maybe they didnt say anything because typically i dont even break 500mb a month... only at 76mb now... who knows... i rarely tether because most places i have internet... but just casual tethering i wouldnt worry about it... not sure how they analyze the usage for each customer but i highly doubt there is an att employee watching every customer so it's gotta either be the monthly usage, huge spikes in data like i did, or both... was just saying i havent heard anything about it, and that bill has been settled... but they do catch ppl...
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This is why at&t says that max bandwidth is used by less than 1% of their network users. And for a company this big, cutting/forcing data plan on this 1% shouldn't be a big deal, even if they threaten to leave, to ensure quality service to rest of the customers.
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How about they upgrade their network to handle ALL the traffic and not keep selling/pushing devices that people use to consume data? IMO there is no abuse or "using too much" bandwidth. I bought an UNLIMITED data plan to use I see fit and use a device that has the capabilities to run apps that use bandwidth, I'm gonna use them when I want and as much as I want, and everyone that has such a device and plan should be able to. If more people would stand together and voice that they wouldn't be getting rid of the "1%". Customer service and providing a good wireless experience doesn't mean turning away customers that actually use the features that AT&T SOLD to them.
i feel like if im able to make my phone tether without their help and i have unlimited data i can do that... it's for MY USE AND ENJOYMENT.... i realize att and most customers dont feel the same, and any business model wont permit that, so im not trying to start an argument or anything... just how i feel about it all... i have an unlimited plan, that means i can use UNLIMITED DATA regardless of how i use it...
but to answer OP, stick with native android if casual tethering, just watch your back and usage... maybe look into the att plan if your gonna use it everyday
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i was wifi tethering... and i checked last months usage, was wrong on the amt, i barely broke 2gb for the month, but it was all that torrent... took like 20+ hours to download it all... maybe they didnt say anything because typically i dont even break 500mb a month... only at 76mb now... who knows... i rarely tether because most places i have internet... but just casual tethering i wouldnt worry about it... not sure how they analyze the usage for each customer but i highly doubt there is an att employee watching every customer so it's gotta either be the monthly usage, huge spikes in data like i did, or both... was just saying i havent heard anything about it, and that bill has been settled... but they do catch ppl...
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Right. Once in a while is ok. But there are some habitual consumers. Such accounts would get flagged. Cos they didn't complain when u consumed high a couple doesn't mean people aren't watching.
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How about they upgrade their network to handle ALL the traffic and not keep selling/pushing devices that people use to consume data? IMO there is no abuse or "using too much" bandwidth. I bought an UNLIMITED data plan to use I see fit and use a device that has the capabilities to run apps that use bandwidth, I'm gonna use them when I want and as much as I want, and everyone that has such a device and plan should be able to. If more people would stand together and voice that they wouldn't be getting rid of the "1%". Customer service and providing a good wireless experience doesn't mean turning away customers that actually use the features that AT&T SOLD to them.
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Right. And they could charge the unlimited at a premium price. No one expects people to download movies using phone network.
Oh wow, and now I don't want to start a war.
diablo009 said:
Right. And they could charge the unlimited at a premium price. No one expects people to download movies using phone network.
Oh wow, and now I don't want to start a war.
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Ha... no wars here The yelling was more at AT&T for effect.
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No one expects people to download movies using phone network.
Oh wow, and now I don't want to start a war.
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Ha... no wars here The yelling was more at AT&T for effect.
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yes, please no forum fight LOL...
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yes, please no forum fight LOL...
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Yes. That would be the last thing I would want to do with my friends here
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Yes. That would be the last thing I would want to do with my friends here
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With all the customers att has I'd think you'd need an insane amount of data usage to get noticed. I have unlimited and I used 4.5 gigs last month with zero tethering. Also they may filter your usage to see if your playing an online game or something, obviously if your communicating with a WoW server or BC2 server for three hours strait you're teathering. But if your just D/Ling stuff a lot they really can't tell because your phone could realistically be doing that where as obviously it can't play BC2 ;-)
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Clienterror said:
With all the customers att has I'd think you'd need an insane amount of data usage to get noticed. I have unlimited and I used 4.5 gigs last month with zero tethering. Also they may filter your usage to see if your playing an online game or something, obviously if your communicating with a WoW server or BC2 server for three hours strait you're teathering. But if your just D/Ling stuff a lot they really can't tell because your phone could realistically be doing that where as obviously it can't play BC2 ;-)
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I agree. They don't care what u do. But they could be raising alerts to the network team if usage crosses a certain level. Certainly, many customers satisfaction in any given area is considered more than one satisfied customer. Thinking from business angle here. Most of the alerts they may not bother, but if any tower is getting overloaded, then it would create a high priority issue for them, and that is when notice of high usage could be sent to consumers choking the network.
ejmeier1 said:
So with flashing a custom rom with 2.2, there's obviously the "mobile AP" function that's built into 2.2.
But my question is this: with ATT coming out with a $-per-month wireless tethering plan, will there come a time when they will be able to detect if we're using our phone's built in tethering, and automatically opt us into the $X a month plan?
Also, I've read other plans where you may get 2GB for the phone's data, and then an additional 2GB for tethered devices. How can they keep track of this? Can they tell if I am using my phone's tethering capabilities.
Obviously I'd like to continue to use my wifi tethering free of charge, and not have to pay ATT for their own service, much like Google Navigation vs ATT Navigator.
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Technically, yes they can tell that you're tethering... but not because the tether itself sends a red flag. It's the type of traffic that your "phone" is generating that can be a dead giveaway. For example, if the user agent on your browser says it's IE8 running on Windows 7 it's pretty suspicious. If you're running p2p, gaming or any other kinds of software or data patterns that aren't really expected from your phone then it could raise a red flag. They aren't sniffing everyone's packets. However, if you are using unusually high data amounts, they could start monitoring your traffic and determine that you are most likely tethering. I guess you could deny it. I'm not sure how far you could argue that or how far they could "prove" their side.
However, they're not in the business of running customers off. They aren't looking to lose or upset a customer. If you aren't abusing the tethering (ie excessive data usage on an unlimited plan) I highly doubt that they would care or desire to upset you. I do suspect that some day they may use this as a tool to get rid of the unlimited data plans. I also suspect that if you aren't on an unlimited plan they probably would never complain, since you are paying per gb. This is all speculation on my part.
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I agree. They don't care what u do. But they could be raising alerts to the network team if usage crosses a certain level. Certainly, many customers satisfaction in any given area is considered more than one satisfied customer. Thinking from business angle here. Most of the alerts they may not bother, but if any tower is getting overloaded, then it would create a high priority issue for them, and that is when notice of high usage could be sent to consumers choking the network.
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The most they would probably even do if they did happen to single out a user for "unreasonable usage" is maybe ask you to stop or take away data unlimited. the fine print in the brochure does not say anything about cash penalties for over use it just says it will not be allowed.
i remember some time ago, someone developed an app or program to install on the phone that tricks t-mo into how much usage you actually use. He had a screenshot of over 10GB of data used without being throttled. I searched but cant find and wonder if anyone knows where it is or can link me and does it work?
I don't think anyone here will/should aid you openly in circumventing TMO's data usage regulations--
this was a thread posted on XDA with many replies and views. I dont think T-Mobile should throttle my unlimited plan either
I do remember that thread but just use Google, found a few diffrent places with step by step how to
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When I was back in the states for a month, I brought my T-MO account out of suspension. I was under the impression I had an unlimited account (as that is what was listed on the website). It turns out that it was limited to 5GB. Well, I didn't find that out until half-way through the month when I got a text saying they were going to throttle my speeds. I wasn't too happy about it, and I called customer service to complain and find out what my options were. My only option was to switch to another plan that required a new 2 year contract and then pay an extra obscene amount to get data past the 5GB point. I wasn't pleased when I hung up the phone.
Lo and behold, next time I need to use the internet with my laptop (my only internet access was through tethering), I found my speeds were not throttled. I guess T-MO uses software on the phone to actually do the throttling rather than something network-side. By the end of the month, I had used 8GB (which I didn't feel bad about considering my plan was advertised as unlimited).
Anyway, moral of the story: CM7 doesn't seem to be affected by throttling with T-Mobile US (as of June/July 2011).
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Anyway, moral of the story: CM7 doesn't seem to be affected by throttling with T-Mobile US (as of June/July 2011).
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That is over 9000% wrong.
If you didn't know about the fine print that is your own fault and while it may be a little misleading it is in fact unlimited, just at a slower speed >5gb.
Been on T Mo for years. They implemented this what, a year ago. I'm well aware of it and am trying to hook someone up. First post attacked me as if it wasn't on this site somewhere when in fact it is or was for a while. I know how things work around here.... somewhat ...lol
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I wasn't attacking you on being incorrect about the thread. I remember it also. I was commenting on what I perceived (correct me if wrong) was an app to cheat TMO out of it's ability to throttle speeds above 5gb.
I am totally against that policy, but respect their right to do it. I also find the ads misleading.
But, if the app does that, then it is, to me, like finding a way to make free long distance calls when your company charges for them.
An ethical question, if not illegal procedure.
So, my comment was saying I didn't think someone would help you do that.
Again, if I am wrong on the purpose of the app, sorry. If not, I stand by my opinion.
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That is over 9000% wrong.
If you didn't know about the fine print that is your own fault and while it may be a little misleading it is in fact unlimited, just at a slower speed >5gb.
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When I ordered the plan, they listed it as unlimited. When I viewed it on the site, it didn't have a data counter near it, it just said unlimited. So there wasn't even a way to see how close to the 5GBs I was getting. And I am not going to read through 30 pages of fine print just because they want people to think they have an unlimited plan (which as you state, is unlimited, just at a slower speed).
If they had let me know I had a 5GB cap before my speeds would be throttled, I would've totally changed my habits to prevent me from ever reaching that (I had downloaded an ubuntu ISO for a friend while we were out and about - definitely could've waited until I got to an area with wifi, had I known). I had no intention to go over, but when they try and mask what their plans are, how are we supposed to know unless we are lawyers and are able to understand their fine print.
Now that I know what my limits are, I won't ever reach them again. But do I feel bad for hitting their limits and then being able to go over them because I was running CM since they do their best to keep that information hidden? Absolutely not!
evilkorn said:
it is in fact unlimited, just at a slower speed >5gb.
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FYI: You just defined limited.
I live in a big city, so I'm never going to hit my 5GB or 2 or whatever it is this week, mostly because the 3G speeds are horrible here and WiFi is everywhere.
My complaint is that T-Mobile implemented a fundamental change to a service that is locked into a contract and they won't let you out of it.
Joe USer said:
FYI: You just defined limited.
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It's a speed limit, not a data limit. Unlimited data is unlimited.
from what i been searching around the internet, it all points to editing the services.jar to achieve this.
i havent found anything about an app to do something like this yet, so i wouldnt be so sure if there is.
but something like this in general would be nice to have just to get alittle more speed than was intended for
update: guess this is the page you were looking for OP? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1052064
it was ment for the g2x so it might not play so nicely with our N1s, but yeah if you really wanna look into doing this google is your friend! lol
htc g2
Buck Shot said:
i remember some time ago, someone developed an app or program to install on the phone that tricks t-mo into how much usage you actually use. He had a screenshot of over 10GB of data used without being throttled. I searched but cant find and wonder if anyone knows where it is or can link me and does it work?
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I use to have a htc g2 with a $50 dollar prepaid plan witch only give me 100mb 4g data speed
after I root my phone I also flash the HBOOT from the European phone htc dezire z after I did this I use all 4g I want and tmobile does not detect my data usage but this only works with wap.voicestream.com apn not epc you have to delete all default apn and create a new one with wap apn
now this seems to work only on htc g2 because I upgrade my phone to sensation 4g I root this phone flash radios,roms use different apn nothing works on this phone tmobile detect my 4g data use.....
Sprint sent us a letter saying that my dad's phone had been sharing his connection to computers without their permission. We have been using our phones as our house internet for about 2 years, we got 4G last summer, we use the heck out of it. We have the family plan with unlimited text and data. His number hasn't tethered in a while, we have been using my brothers phone for the house internet while he's in boot camp. Why are they saying they will terminate our account because of my dad's number? The phone for the house internet has used A LOT of data, but that's the point of have UNLIMITED can they really do this? They said they will be monitoring our data usage for the next 10 days, isn't that invading privacy? Thanks
They can tell when your device is tethering. They will only monitor the amount of data being used. Not what you are viewing or downloading. They don't have the ability to actually see that. Why don't you consider home internet? Its cheaper than a hotspot or mobile broadband
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They can tell when your device is tethering. They will only monitor the amount of data being used. Not what you are viewing or downloading. They don't have the ability to actually see that. Why don't you consider home internet? Its cheaper than a hotspot or mobile broadband
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We can't get it where we live it pisses us off because it would cost us $24,000 to run it from the middle of our road to us. That's why we use the hotspot, we arent paying for the hotspot, if we did pay for the $30 fee, do you think we could use as much as we want?
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if we did pay for the $30 fee, do you think we could use as much as we want?
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I'd think you would be able to, but I'd still drop Sprint an email to make sure with them and get it in writing in case they try to give you trouble later on.
Unlimited isn't truly unlimited, it's unlimited within reason. It's in their fine print. They also say they can terminate you without further notice for using too much data per month, especially if you roam.
You need to come up with a better solution. It's because of people like you that make the network slower than hell for the rest of us. Tethering here & there I have no problems with but people that use it for home internet is just so stupid. You can get a hotspot or sat internet if you can't get a wired connection.
Seriously guys? When did this sentiment begin? People have been sneaking tethering for years and that's one thing that is a preferable benefit to sprint and these phones. Since when can they tell we tether while rooted?
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Sprint sent us a letter saying that my dad's phone had been sharing his connection to computers without their permission. We have been using our phones as our house internet for about 2 years, we got 4G last summer, we use the heck out of it. We have the family plan with unlimited text and data. His number hasn't tethered in a while, we have been using my brothers phone for the house internet while he's in boot camp. Why are they saying they will terminate our account because of my dad's number? The phone for the house internet has used A LOT of data, but that's the point of have UNLIMITED can they really do this? They said they will be monitoring our data usage for the next 10 days, isn't that invading privacy? Thanks
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Comet1966, Consider that Sprint, just like your cable, water, gas, credit card company all have the ability to "profile" you. They know who you call, for how long, what shows you watch, how much water and gas you use, and where you shop. etc.
Sprint Terms Of Service prohibits tethering unless you pay for it. They were offering 5 gb with the unlimited for life plan for authorized tethering. As others have suggested either try to work with Sprint to get a tethering plan or stop tethering if you like your Sprint service. At least they put you on notice and just didn't disconnect you.
And I know exactly what you mean, my dad's and brother's houses are in the country and from time to time I have turned on the tethering - but not as my primary internet connection for a household every month.
"I didn't pay for something and now that I am abusing it Sprint wants me to stop or pay"
First, you know tethering is an extra fee, by bypassing it Sprint could have charged you for every bit of data used. More importantly in response to your "unlimited" claim, it is unlimited data used ON YOUR PHONE. In fact Sprint doesn't even offer an unlimited tethering plan, I believe the highest they go is 5GB. It sucks you live in a crappy part of town but you need to look into an actual solution.
There is NO WAY of me finding another solution, we CANNOT get cable internet at this point in time. It would cost us $24,000 to run it to us. Now of course all the cable companys get our hopes up by saying that they have it in our area, right up until we call to get it. Google intended for the tethering to be free in the beggining, but yes its really up to the carriers. It is the only thing that we know of that is actually usable and stable. No need to start pointing fingers, I was just figuring out why. And to say "it's because of people like us that the networks are slow" is the dumbest dank thing I've heard today, 1 of the five phones that are on our plan could be downloading a torrent at 2.5MBps right next to me, and I would still get 20MBps, I believe yes they throttle us otherwise one guy would be getting 100MBps and the other would be getting 1. Bit the limits of our radio's also do that.
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There is NO WAY of me finding another solution, we CANNOT get cable internet at this point in time. It would cost us $24,000 to run it to us. Now of course all the cable companys get our hopes up by saying that they have it in our area, right up until we call to get it. Google intended for the tethering to be free in the beggining, but yes its really up to the carriers. It is the only thing that we know of that is actually usable and stable. No need to start pointing fingers, I was just figuring out why. And to say "it's because of people like us that the networks are slow" is the dumbest dank thing I've heard today, 1 of the five phones that are on our plan could be downloading a torrent at 2.5MBps right next to me, and I would still get 20MBps, I believe yes they throttle us otherwise one guy would be getting 100MBps and the other would be getting 1. Bit the limits of our radio's also do that.
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Why not just pay for a Sprint MIFI card? Believe you get 5 GB a month? Is DSL available in your area or maybe even another wireless provider (at my dad's house, they have a company that has basically WIFI that uses a special receiver attached to a small dish antenna pointed towards a tower)?
And if you are running Torrent traffic over a Sprint connection, that definitely isn't standard "smart phone" traffic along with the amount of Internet traffic, is what Sprint is looking at when it comes to "abuse".
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Why not just pay for a Sprint MIFI card? Believe you get 5 GB a month? Is DSL available in your area or maybe even another wireless provider (at my dad's house, they have a company that has basically WIFI that uses a special receiver attached to a small dish antenna pointed towards a tower)?
And if you are running Torrent traffic over a Sprint connection, that definitely isn't standard "smart phone" traffic along with the amount of Internet traffic, is what Sprint is looking at when it comes to "abuse".
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Yeah, we had something called planet connect it aimed at a tower, but it was highly unstable and their customer support sucks now.
Well your only option now is to find another solution because if you keep abusing Sprints network your account WILL be canceled. This is not something new and this is not the only thread like this. I admit I do tether but it's only to send an email or two every once in a while. You have clearly been abusing the system and now you've been put on notice. You will probably continue to do it then you will start another thread complaining that sprint canceled your service for no reason. I am not trying be be an a#$ but you've been a member of xda since 2011, you had to have seen other threads like this.
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How much data were you using a month?
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There is NO WAY of me finding another solution, we CANNOT get cable internet at this point in time. It would cost us $24,000 to run it to us. Now of course all the cable companys get our hopes up by saying that they have it in our area, right up until we call to get it. Google intended for the tethering to be free in the beggining, but yes its really up to the carriers. It is the only thing that we know of that is actually usable and stable. No need to start pointing fingers, I was just figuring out why. And to say "it's because of people like us that the networks are slow" is the dumbest dank thing I've heard today, 1 of the five phones that are on our plan could be downloading a torrent at 2.5MBps right next to me, and I would still get 20MBps, I believe yes they throttle us otherwise one guy would be getting 100MBps and the other would be getting 1. Bit the limits of our radio's also do that.
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NO WAY at all huh. You can get a mifi card using the same network connection. You shouldn't be torrenting over hacked tether. I hope they cancel your account and they should. The bottom line it does affect other users & the network. Sprint's 3G is painful enough as it is, borderline useless in some areas. Stop being cheap and get a mifi card. If you actually paid for a capped connection, you would be a lot more careful with what you were using bandwidth for.
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Yeah, we had something called planet connect it aimed at a tower, but it was highly unstable and their customer support sucks now.
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Have you tried these guys
ABG Wireless, LLC
Beasley Wireless Internet
Ken-Tenn Wireless
They are all WISPs in TN
tws101 said:
Have you tried these guys
ABG Wireless, LLC
Beasley Wireless Internet
Ken-Tenn Wireless
They are all WISPs in TN
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I've never heard of them, but I will mention them to my father. Thanks
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NO WAY at all huh. You can get a mifi card using the same network connection. You shouldn't be torrenting over hacked tether. I hope they cancel your account and they should. The bottom line it does affect other users & the network. Sprint's 3G is painful enough as it is, borderline useless in some areas. Stop being cheap and get a mifi card. If you actually paid for a capped connection, you would be a lot more careful with what you were using bandwidth for.
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Have you seen the price of a mifi card plan, its insane. My dad called them today to try and figure out why, and the lady could not tell him she just kept saying we violated the terms of service, he asked which terms we violated, she said "I don't know".... Yeah Sprint " ranked #1 in customer service" BS they can't tell us anything, that's 2 people from there giving out useless information. If there was another company in our area that actually had reasonable prices for 5 phones, we would let them drop us in a heartbeat. Thanks for your information though, no reason to be an ass though.
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How much data were you using a month?
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Too much, I guess we hadn't had internet that was more than 100kbps in well, ever so we NON-STOP used it, from playing games to watching Netflix.
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Have you seen the price of a mifi card plan, its insane. My dad called them today to try and figure out why, and the lady could not tell him she just kept saying we violated the terms of service, he asked which terms we violated, she said "I don't know".... Yeah Sprint " ranked #1 in customer service" BS they can't tell us anything, that's 2 people from there giving out useless information. If there was another company in our area that actually had reasonable prices for 5 phones, we would let them drop us in a heartbeat. Thanks for your information though, no reason to be an ass though.
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READ THROUGH YOUR CONTRACT. There are provisions regarding the use of tethering. Its not the CSR's job to know what you and a million other people signed, It is yours. Sprint does not offer unlimited tethering. It is a separate charge and even then it has a maximum limit. It has always been that way, don't forget tethering existed well before Android ever did. This isn't even an argument, no matter what way you twist this you're wrong.