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QuickGPS: does it download data for current region only or whole world?

I'm going to be travelling internationally soon and would like to preload my QuickGPS for both the USA and Europe - will a "normal" QuickGPS download do that or do I need to do something special?
Mainly I'd like to avoid having to connect to the network in Europe on arrival to get a solid GPS lock.
Are there any good descriptions of specifically how QuickGPS works?
TIA,
Richard

assuming its the same quickgps as the one in the 6915/45/25 - it works great in any part of the world. all automatic no tweaking required.

djmaven said:
assuming its the same quickgps as the one in the 6915/45/25 - it works great in any part of the world. all automatic no tweaking required.
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Sorry, I wasn't clear. Will running it in the USA provide the data for being in Europe?
I accept that runnning it in Europe would likely get the appropriate local data, but I don't necessarily want to pay $.02/KB to download data when I get to Europe - though that wouldn't be the end of the world.
Kinda curious, that's all.
Richard

rsolomon said:
Sorry, I wasn't clear. Will running it in the USA provide the data for being in Europe?
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u just made it worse

xbox360 said:
u just made it worse
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LOL. OK, one more try It's probably a stupid question...
QuickGPS downloads satellite data, right? Does it download ALL the satellite data, or just the ones it thinks are near you? I.e. if I'm in the USA will it only download the birds near me or *ALL* the birds? Thus if I download "fresh" QuickGPS data right before I leave the USA will I get quick acquisition in the USA on departure *AND* quick acquisition in EU upon arrival? or would I have to run QuickGPS and download once I got to EU in order to get the quick acquisisition?
Richard

Good question. I am not sure since I don't remember if I did aQuickGps before using it in Europe. However logic says a US download should be OK for the whole world since the download is Internet based and when the phone pulls the data, the internet does not know where its located (if it would know - who needs the data?) so it should be worldwide.

Don't worry, there are only 24 GPS satellites orbiting the Earth and you get their positions all at once every time you use QuickGPS

I think the quikGPS picks up data by detecting where your gps receiver is located, so it work worldwide.
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barmalini is right regardless of where you are located it downloads all the predicted ephemeris data for the satellites of the GPS constellation, you can read more about "offline AGPS" here -> http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=47602

Although no one has really answered the OP's actual question - namely will running quick GPS in the US before flying to Europe help his GPS to start up quickly in Europe?
The quick answer is NO. QuickGPS gets info from your device as to its current location (from Cell towers). Thus if you run quickGPS in the states, it will tell your GPS that you are in the states, even if you then fly to europe.
If the OP wants a really fast GPS start up in europe, he will need to run QGPS when he arrives. If not, he can simply run any GPS enabled app on his device and wait for it to acquire a fix (although as previously discussed, Google Maps times out really quickly... but if data costs are a worry then he must be using a GPS app with maps preinstalled on the device).

We did answer and if you had read mine and/or followed my link you would realize that the content of the downloaded data has no connection whatsoever to cell towers.
So yes, since the data is the same worldwide, data downloaded in the US will help when you arrive in Europe, KEEPING IN MIND that you are no longer doing a "warm fix" but a "cold fix" due to the distance covered so i(for an open sky environment) instead of 5/10 seconds for warm fix it might take 20/25, still better than the 40/45 without QuickGPS.

GpsPasSion said:
barmalini is right regardless of where you are located it downloads all the predicted ephemeris data for the satellites of the GPS constellation, you can read more about "offline AGPS" here -> http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=47602
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That's what I *hoped*, but the registry for QuickGPS contains a number of "region" keys: e.g.
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\QuickGPS]
"curRegion"=dword:00000002
"region"="US"
so I was concerned the data might be somehow specific to the location I downloaded from.
Richard
P.S. @GpsPasSion - good to see you over "here" on xda-dev, I should have thought to check your site I suppose

GpsPasSion said:
So yes, since the data is the same worldwide, data downloaded in the US will help when you arrive in Europe, KEEPING IN MIND that you are no longer doing a "warm fix" but a "cold fix" due to the distance covered so i(for an open sky environment) instead of 5/10 seconds for warm fix it might take 20/25, still better than the 40/45 without QuickGPS.
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I'll try and remember and do some timed testing - my recollection from my SirfStarIII-based BT338 was that a few minutes were required for the first fix after landing, but I never timed it accurately.
Richard

unwired4 said:
The quick answer is NO. QuickGPS gets info from your device as to its current location (from Cell towers). Thus if you run quickGPS in the states, it will tell your GPS that you are in the states, even if you then fly to europe.
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I'm not quite sure I understand this response. QuickGPS downloads the ephemeris data for the satellites, which tells the phone where all the satellites are, and are expected to be for the near future. It's the same data the phone would get from the satellite, but the satellites transmit this data fairly slowly (and you only need signal from one satellite... each satellite transmits the ephemeris data for all 24 satellites). Regardless of where you and your phone are, the satellites are where they are. Why would QuickGPS care about your current location?

Guys....i know this is not related but when you guys say that one can get a faster fix after downloading the data using QuickGPS, how much faster are you guys taking about? Reason i ask is cos i can download the latest data using QuickGPS then launch Mapking, it still takes between 10 - 15 minutes for me to get a fix (i would probaby have reached my destination by then). Am i missing out something here cos i believe somebody said 45 seconds

oh yes, there is something wrong, I put some numbers above.
Now if you have a coated windshield, are moving and the Kaiser is on the passenger seat then you're asking for trouble !
@dscline - you must have missed some of the replies, QuickGPS data is location independent ;-)

GpsPasSion said:
@dscline - you must have missed some of the replies, QuickGPS data is location independent ;-)
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heh, yeah, his post was at the bottom of the page... when I replied, I didn't realize there was already a whole other page with posts debating that statement.

GpsPasSion said:
oh yes, there is something wrong, I put some numbers above.
Now if you have a coated windshield, are moving and the Kaiser is on the passenger seat then you're asking for trouble !
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I just tried it again. This time, i just put the Kaiser on top of the car and left it there....i finally got a fix after 9 minutes. Now....izzit easier to get a fix on the move on when still?
Is there any other software apart from QuickGPS that will help speed up the fix? I tried GPSProxy but got and error when trying to add virtual port so i drop that I would really appreciate any advice cos i use the GPS almost everyday and it's really frastrating to have to wait 10 minutes before getting a fix

Scann69 said:
I just tried it again. This time, i just put the Kaiser on top of the car and left it there....i finally got a fix after 9 minutes.
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Where are you? Unless you're in an urban canyon or under dense tree cover I cannot imagine 9 minutes to first fix.... Should be under a minute.
Richard

rsolomon said:
Where are you? Unless you're in an urban canyon or under dense tree cover I cannot imagine 9 minutes to first fix.... Should be under a minute.
Richard
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Nup....i'm under open sky and i'm in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. The thing is, i know that cold start can take longer time and even so, 10 minutes is just way to long and what's worse is, i was using the GPS like 5 hours ago and i just tried it again and still it took 10 minutes to get a fix. I seriously think i'm missing something here

new the the Android, GPS question.

Im getting some rather odd performance from the GPS..
I just got this thing out of the box, and know next to nothing about it.. so forgive me if this is a known issue or an easy fix..
I decided to mess with it a bit and went to "maps" and then "location" it puts me nowhere even near where I am..
so I tried "direction" and did "from my current location" to my office (4 miles away)
it cam up with sound direction, but when I started moving, it had my dot jumping all over the place. Showing me on one side of town, then 30 sec later 5 miles away..
I download an app that shows GPS status, and it shows good signal (7 satellites)
So, why is it behaving so wierd?
also, what are some other GOOD free navigation apps? I see many listed in the market, but I dont want to download them all, anyone have an opinion?

Do you have the GPS enabled in your settings?
G1 uses 2 ways to pin point your location:
1. Wireless networks (which I find never to be accurate)
2. Gps
Go to your Settings>> Security & Location
Try disabling your wireless and ONLY use GPS
Sorry but no good FREE Nav on the market yet, AndNav is still on the works for US

Wingnutt said:
also, what are some other GOOD free navigation apps? I see many listed in the market, but I dont want to download them all, anyone have an opinion?
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don't know how good it is but Nav4All i think it's called....i downloaded it this morning and i think it's a talkin nav cause you have to download the voice language you want to use. i haven't tried it yet but might be a good option

I saw TeleNav nominated as the best GPS navigation app by the Android Network. (this is their blog page where it is posted: http://blog.telenav.com/blog/2009/0...ne-vote-for-us-in-the-android-network-awards/). Should I get this service or is some other service like Google Maps available? Thanks for the help.

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don't know how good it is but Nav4All i think it's called....i downloaded it this morning and i think it's a talkin nav cause you have to download the voice language you want to use. i haven't tried it yet but might be a good option
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i use this... confusing at first but ya you can have the voice different ways. i gotta guys voice bc i have a feeling a girls voice will point me in the wrong directions...

The ONLY good nav program is copilot. All the others offload navigation to the provider's servers so require network connection and use up your data allocation - i.e. cost $$ to use.
If your location is jumping around by miles, then you are using cell tower location. It sets your position to the same position as the tower itself. GPS lock can sometimes take a long time. If the gps icon in the status bar is BLINKING or OFF, then you are definitely NOT getting a GPS position.

lbcoder said:
The ONLY good nav program is copilot. All the others offload navigation to the provider's servers so require network connection and use up your data allocation - i.e. cost $$ to use.
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if you have unlimited data, you're ok with the others. I used nav4all before i bought copilot. copilot is MUCH better, but nav4all does the job well enough.

abchiptop said:
if you have unlimited data, you're ok with the others. I used nav4all before i bought copilot. copilot is MUCH better, but nav4all does the job well enough.
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Absolutely not because you're tied in to network coverage.

[Q] my GPS after flash the XXJPH

after flash the XXJPH， my GPS doesn't work，any idea？

airhe said:
after flash the XXJPH， my GPS doesn't work，any idea？
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Maybe because your inside? When I had JPH my GPS was great. If your still not getting a decent GPS reception maybe you should reflash, install my tracks and see how accurate your path is.

airhe said:
after flash the XXJPH， my GPS doesn't work，any idea？
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No, try to to flash again with odin.

Have you tried turning it off and on again?
(Sorry, couldn't resist But I mean it.)

Did you setup your APN settings yet? Mine wouldn't get a fix until I setup my data connection.

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Did you setup your APN settings yet? Mine wouldn't get a fix until I setup my data connection.
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doesn't that defeats the purpose? the idea is to use it without data and without sky hook

But you need an 'almanac', which stays valid for a long time, and downloading of which from satellite takes about 20 minutes after the initial acquisition whis is very slow as well.
So an initial data connection helps a LOT. After that, using the GPS for half an hour every now and then should keep the almanac up to date.

AllGamer said:
doesn't that defeats the purpose? the idea is to use it without data and without sky hook
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The gps obviously needs some data to find the sats after a flash, its not related to skyhook.
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it's ok now, but takes half of hour to get the position
it's just a few seconds before flash

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The gps obviously needs some data to find the sats after a flash, its not related to skyhook.
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Huh? Why does it "obviously need some data"?

andrewluecke said:
Huh? Why does it "obviously need some data"?
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Not sure but i was watching gps test find exactly 1 sat in about 5 minutes. I setup my apn and then it had 10 in 30 seconds. Sure seemed like it synced some data relating to the gps.
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Yeah.. That's AGPS at work.. But it shouldn't be required (unless a serious gps bug exists in JPH).. Maybe give it a try though

honest reviews of the gps on 8.9 att lte

ppl said that the built-in gps for the 8.9 is great...is not true.
currently i don't have any data plan with att on my 8.9. just using the 8.9 via wifi. well google maps recently allowed the download of maps for offline use. well i download offline map for nyc and was testing outside today. it was bright sunny day. i tested outside in midtown of manhattan for about 10 minutes and then downtown for another 20 minutes.
here is the result i got:
1. i loaded google maps and it wasn't able to find me when i was in midtown. the device was turn on for about 10 minutes. as soon i was near bryant park which have free wifi and connected to it, google map was able to find me right away.
2. then i travel downtown and was outside for about 20 minutes and it was searching for satellites and can't find me where i'm located. i was not near any free wifi. so i gave up.
so i think either google map either require data to work properly or the built in gps for the 8.9 is not that great or doesn't work at all.
i heard another offline gps map program called locust. i will do testing with that app later this week and will let you guys know the result.
any1 here also have the same result as me, please post your opinions here also. thx.

Nope.
However, I am using the P7300 non-LTE, non-US flavor.
Tablets have room for big-ass antennae, especially for GPS and they will usually get a steady lock without aid. It still is A-GPS, though (as in Assisted-GPS, meaning it uses all available data to get a lock - network cell towers, wi-fi networks in range, sensors and satellite data).
Mine gets a lock even inside an apartment building. Maybe you should have it looked at, if your warranty applies.

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Nope.
However, I am using the P7300 non-LTE, non-US flavor.
Tablets have room for big-ass antennae, especially for GPS and they will usually get a steady lock without aid. It still is A-GPS, though (as in Assisted-GPS, meaning it uses all available data to get a lock - network cell towers, wi-fi networks in range, sensors and satellite data).
Mine gets a lock even inside an apartment building. Maybe you should have it looked at, if your warranty applies.
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Which offline mapping apps are you using?

I'm not sure it's only the wifi availability that's the differentiator here. You went from within a city that has extremely high buildings (where you got no gps sats) to an open park with open sky (where you suddenly locked on to sats) and then back into the city with the high buildings again..... See where I'm going with this.
Maybe I'm off on my assumption but you can't blame me for thinking it.

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I'm not sure it's only the wifi availability that's the differentiator here. You went from within a city that has extremely high buildings (where you got no gps sats) to an open park with open sky (where you suddenly locked on to sats) and then back into the city with the high buildings again..... See where I'm going with this.
Maybe I'm off on my assumption but you can't blame me for thinking it.
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The park has high buildings around it too. When I was walking to the park and was near the park, it still couldn't find any satellites until I use the park free wifi.
For the ppl that got the gps working w/o wifi or any data plan? Can you confirm what map apps are u using? Can you elaborate how u got ur 8.9 gps working w/o wifi or any data plan?
Maybe let's all here do an experiment, go outside, turn off ur wifi and 4g and see if ur google map are able to find where u r with ur gps on only w/ offline map for google map? Please report back ur result. Thx.

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The park has high buildings around it too. When I was walking to the park and was near the park, it still couldn't find any satellites until I use the park free wifi.
For the ppl that got the gps working w/o wifi or any data plan? Can you confirm what map apps are u using? Can you elaborate how u got ur 8.9 gps working w/o wifi or any data plan? Maybe let's all here do an experiment, go outside, turn off ur wifi and 4g and see if ur google map are able to find where u r?
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I can use only the internal gps without wifi and find my location indoors using Maps app.
Sats aren't always directly overhead in the sky so it could have everything to do with time of day and where they are located in the sky. Hence my buildings and open park comment.
*Haven't had to do this on this tab but maybe your location files are messed up from something you installed or maybe you have a tab with foreign location information here in the states. Maybe try the info at the link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17081413&postcount=1

Jiggity Janx said:
I can use only the internal gps without wifi and find my location indoors using Maps app.
Sats aren't always directly overhead in the sky so it could have everything to do with time of day and where they are located in the sky. Hence my buildings and open park comment.
*Haven't had to do this on this tab but maybe your location files are messed up from something you installed or maybe you have a tab with foreign location information here in the states. Maybe try the info at the link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17081413&postcount=1
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you said you can use your internal gps w/o wifi using maps app...is that google maps? were you on wifi and then you turn off your wifi? if you did, i think maps aka google map will remember your last location even w/o wifi. can you try again when you are outside w/o any wifi and report back your result? thx.

Btw i dont physically have any 4g sim card in my device...dunno if that has anything to do with it?

hmmmm...found an interesting specs:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/12/15/bell-samsung-galaxy-tab-8-9-lte-review/
- WiFi (b/g/n), Bluetooth 3.0, A-GPS
noticed it said a-gps. a stands for assisted. that means the 8.9 doesn't really have a physical gps chip and will need data in order to get gps to work properly.
any1 has who has a 8.9. can you try this for me and report back the result? can you go into settings > locality> gps and check only gps and UNCHECK assisted gps for mobile network use by google etc.. so just check the middle for gps and uncheck all the rest, which i below is the first and third related to A-GPS or anything with google.
now go into google map and see if your gps still work and find where you are?

Quick search found this thread. Unfortunately he doesn't state how he found the tablet has internal GPS and there are no follow on comments to confirm/deny. But seems that someone would have caught and corrected.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1271350
Also I always have assisted gps turned off because I don't particularly like Google knowing everywhere I am, anonymous or not.
Could be my brief experiences with it are a fluke as I just have started playing with this tab and have been more concerned with other stuff working. But nonetheless that's what I've experienced.

Jiggity Janx said:
Quick search found this thread. Unfortunately he doesn't state how he found the tablet has internal GPS and there are no follow on comments to confirm/deny. But seems that someone would have caught and corrected.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1271350
Also I always have assisted gps turned off because I don't particularly like Google knowing everywhere I am, anonymous or not.
Could be my brief experiences with it are a fluke as I just have started playing with this tab and have been more concerned with other stuff working. But nonetheless that's what I've experienced.
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hmmmm...u have 8.9 and have assisted off? which version of 8.9 do you have, wifi only or lte version? can you state your os and can do a screen shot with your gps working with google map? how does it takes your 8.9 to lock to a satellites?

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hmmmm...u have 8.9 and have assisted off? which version of 8.9 do you have, wifi only or lte version? can you state your os and can do a screen shot with your gps working with google map? how does it takes your 8.9 to lock to a satellites?
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i957 LTE version running... in between right now. About to install CM10 fresh again and reload all my data.
Hmmm... Not sure when this became about me showing my tab. Again, was just stating my experience. I'll look at it again when I load CM10 from scratch. I usually poke around on here when I'm not at home doing more worthwhile stuff. I may have time in the next couple of days.

Jiggity Janx said:
i957 LTE version running... in between right now. About to install CM10 fresh again and reload all my data.
Hmmm... Not sure when this became about me showing my tab. Again, was just stating my experience. I'll look at it again when I load CM10 from scratch. I usually poke around on here when I'm not at home doing more worthwhile stuff. I may have time in the next couple of days.
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hmmm...i maybe interested in loading cm10 and if i can get my gps to work properly. what os is cm10? is that still honeycomb version? what is the pros and cons of cm10? is the con cm10 that the camera and usb charging doesn't work?

Use app like "Gps status & toolbox". It tells you how many satellites are locked
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eclipsim.gpsstatus2&hl=en
I know my 7300 has real gps, but I can't speak for your LTE model

fred_be9300 said:
Use app like "Gps status & toolbox". It tells you how many satellites are locked
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eclipsim.gpsstatus2&hl=en
I know my 7300 has real gps, but I can't speak for your LTE model
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Thx...installed this app....see attached screenshot.
Here are my settings:
Wifi turn on
Inside my apt
Use of wifi or mobile network aka agps are turn off
Gps turn on
Only able to lock to 1 satellite. But google map still not able to locate me.

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Only able to lock to 1 satellite. But google map still not able to locate me.
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It takes at least 3 sats to locate you (spherical intersections and all that). So I'm not surprised you are not located in this instance.

Dude... Inside you can't use gps... It needs a line of sight with satellites in the sky... Jeez, please lookup gps on Wikipedia...

fred_be9300 said:
Dude... Inside you can't use gps... It needs a line of sight with satellites in the sky... Jeez, please lookup gps on Wikipedia...
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Well one poster here were able to work inside his house. Go look up in previous post. Anyway I will test this out outside today, beautiful clear day today. But I don't expect any gps to work properly. Will report back result later.

Inside a building, gps might work near windows, or under a glass roof or so. Surrounded by concrete, it is impossible. But a device might position you based on cell towers or a database of locations for WiFi routers, as Google has built up.

was walking to work today. here are my settings and results:
wifi - turn off
agps - turn off
gps - turn on
clear sunny day, outside for about 5 minutes. got 3 satellite to locked from that app i installed last night.
google map and locus still UNABLE to locate me. see attachments for my results.
well at least i was right that gps won't work for me...lol

[Q] Unrecorded 100KB mobile data traffic every 10 minutes -

I got a new XT1068 (dual-SIM unlocked) last week. It came with Android 5.0.2 out of the box and hasn't been updated yet.
My mobile data plan starts on the 1st of every month and I get 500MB. I don't browse much on mobile data so I keep it on all the time for push updates and such.
The other day (the 8th) I got a text from my carrier saying I used all the data. This had never happened before on any phone or any carrier I've used.
I went to the carriers website to check my account and it shows mobile data traffic in bursts of 100KB approximately every 10 minutes right up until they cut my access, because I reached the cap.
The odd thing is under "Data usage" I don't see any of these bursts.
A friend of mine had the exact same problem (same model and same carrier) and his solution was to do a Factory Restore. I want to find a better solution, because the phone just came from the factory.
Any ideas?

Try disabling Google location reporting, an use greneefy to other apps

fburgos said:
Try disabling Google location reporting, an use greneefy to other apps
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Thanks for your reply. I really like all the Google Now stuff, so I won't disable location, but I will look at Greeneefy.
I managed to find some concrete information on this here. The proposed solution was to change the APN settings to not include supl (Secure User Plane Location). Apparently that has to do with A-GPS and uses very little data, but I'm unlucky enough that my carrier deducts 100KB for every connection.
I applied the fix, but since I'm out of data, I can only know if it worked next month. I will report back.

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Thanks for your reply. I really like all the Google Now stuff, so I won't disable location, but I will look at Greeneefy.
I managed to find some concrete information on this here. The proposed solution was to change the APN settings to not include supl (Secure User Plane Location). Apparently that has to do with A-GPS and uses very little data, but I'm unlucky enough that my carrier deducts 100KB for every connection.
I applied the fix, but since I'm out of data, I can only know if it worked next month. I will report back.
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You could restrict Data Usage on Google Services too.

SirRhor said:
You could restrict Data Usage on Google Services too.
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If this fix doesn't work I guess that's the only option. That would probably mess with location, wouldn't it?

MrBaker said:
If this fix doesn't work I guess that's the only option. That would probably mess with location, wouldn't it?
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I don't think so, when the phone needs to know where it is, it triangulates its position between cell towers (with no actual data being used) plus GPS and plus WiFi if connected. You can try it and see if it works.

SirRhor said:
I don't think so, when the phone needs to know where it is, it triangulates its position between cell towers (with no actual data being used) plus GPS and plus WiFi if connected. You can try it and see if it works.
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OK. It should still mess with some other things, I suspect.
I'll see if this SUPL thing works and if not I'll look into other options. Truth is that issue explains the frequent data use and the fact that it isn't reported under Data usage, so I really think that might be it.

SirRhor said:
I don't think so, when the phone needs to know where it is, it triangulates its position between cell towers (with no actual data being used) plus GPS and plus WiFi if connected. You can try it and see if it works.
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Yes Sir that's right the phone don't need internet connection to know it's location but if Google reporting is enabled is will connect to send it's location to Google servers I think it will help disabling location reporting also battery is improved a lot

fburgos said:
Yes Sir that's right the phone don't need internet connection to know it's location but if Google reporting is enabled is will connect to send it's location to Google servers I think it will help disabling location reporting also battery is improved a lot
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I see. I'm happy with the battery life so far and I find Google's services very useful, so I'll leave it on for now. If the same problem turns up, I'll really have no choice but to turn it off.