http://www.techradar.com/news/porta...upgrade-original-galaxy-gear-to-tizen-1227889
Hold on to your hats!!! I mean Galaxy Gears.... Or even buy up the old ones cheap as they have a larger battery and will obviously be cheaper than the Gear 2 & Neo.
Some of you suggested this which was nice and sensible as it was only a software update, but some clearly thought that GG owners would be left abandoned after just 6 months or less.... There is no icon to roll my eyes as much as I need to here.
Anyway - rejoice as the Jesus watch rises.
Sooo who's first to do the downgrade?
I haven't seen Tizen in person yet, but I'm 100% sure it will not replace Null ROM with my needs.
When one news source publishes something completely unsubstantiated that doesn't make it true. Here's the quote...
There was a worry that there would be no love for the older model, but a Samsung spokesperson confirmed to TechRadar that the Android would be stripped out and replaced with the new OS.
http://www.techradar.com/news/porta...upgrade-original-galaxy-gear-to-tizen-1227889Maybe it's true, maybe TechRadar is phishing for click-throughs. Kind of like re/code saying Samsung was ditching TW to please Google who sold Motorola to please Samsung. No outward sign of either unsubstantiated rumor being true (so far).
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When one news source publishes something completely unsubstantiated that doesn't make it true. Here's the quote...
There was a worry that there would be no love for the older model, but a Samsung spokesperson confirmed to TechRadar that the Android would be stripped out and replaced with the new OS.
http://www.techradar.com/news/porta...upgrade-original-galaxy-gear-to-tizen-1227889Maybe it's true, maybe TechRadar is phishing for click-throughs. Kind of like re/code saying Samsung was ditching TW to please Google who sold Motorola to please Samsung. No outward sign of either unsubstantiated rumor being true (so far).
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Droid Life is reporting the same thing: http://www.droid-life.com/2014/02/25/galaxy-gear-update-to-tizen/
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They're quoting TechRadar...
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Assuming that it will be sidegraded/downgraded to Tizen, then the real issue is the other quote from a Samsung representative, the part that mentions that only the gear 2 and gear 2 neo will have their sdk released and even with Tizen on our original Galaxy Gears, we won't getting any decent apps.
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Assuming that it will be sidegraded/downgraded to Tizen, then the real issue is the other quote from a Samsung representative, the part that mentions that only the gear 2 and gear 2 neo will have their sdk released and even with Tizen on our original Galaxy Gears, we won't getting any decent apps.
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And by extension if you have software development kit you can develop apps that run on Tizen.
The Galaxy Gear will have a some point ..... knowing how fast Samsung is maybe in months run Tizen.
A Tizen app is a Tizen app if it runs on the Gear 2 it will run on the Galaxy Gear (unless the app uses the heart rate monitor)
Other than the heart rate monitor the Galaxy Gear has the same hardware as the Gear 2, it will running Tizen and have exactly the same apps.
Now me I personally do not believe any watch running Tizen will ever have more Apps that a watch running Android but other that no heart rate monitor, maybe a ever so minor improvement on the clock there it no reason buy a Gear 2.
Me at this point I really do not care, I am 95% certain if anything I will get a Gear Fit, and the Gear Fit will not run Tizen or have many if any future apps.
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And by extension if you have software development kit you can develop apps that run on Tizen.
The Galaxy Gear will have a some point ..... knowing how fast Samsung is maybe in months run Tizen.
A Tizen app is a Tizen app if it runs on the Gear 2 it will run on the Galaxy Gear (unless the app uses the heart rate monitor)
Other than the heart rate monitor the Galaxy Gear has the same hardware as the Gear 2, it will running Tizen and have exactly the same apps.
Now me I personally do not believe any watch running Tizen will ever have more Apps that a watch running Android but other that no heart rate monitor, maybe a ever so minor improvement on the clock there it no reason buy a Gear 2.
Me at this point I really do not care, I am 95% certain if anything I will get a Gear Fit, and the Gear Fit will not run Tizen or have many if any future apps.
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Unless it has some unique api that needs the sdk. Then were screwed.
So good news with respect to Tizen and its feared incompatibility...
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_...apps-to-tizen-os-too-bad-theres-no-phone-yet/
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So good news with respect to Tizen and its feared incompatibility...
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_...apps-to-tizen-os-too-bad-theres-no-phone-yet/
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Hopefully someone will come up with a free option in converting apps to Tizen. $5000 PER APP is absurd. What about ask the developers who create free apps for android? What about customers who have paid for apps but the developers don't choose to pay 5grand to convert the app to a Tizen compatible version? If developing apps using HTML5 is as easy as Fomey says it is then we may have a shot at getting decent apps for the gear2, but if not...... My choice to hold out for the gear2 instead of getting the galaxy gear will probably bite me in the arse. I wonder if the galaxy gear will be able to downgrade after the Tizen update. If not I better go grab one now...
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I wonder if the galaxy gear will be able to downgrade after the Tizen update.
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i'll eat my hat if that will be possible. but it won't. tizen is supposed to be better - according to samsung - so why give an option to downgrade?
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Hopefully someone will come up with a free option in converting apps to Tizen. $5000 PER APP is absurd. What about ask the developers who create free apps for android? What about customers who have paid for apps but the developers don't choose to pay 5grand to convert the app to a Tizen compatible version? If developing apps using HTML5 is as easy as Fomey says it is then we may have a shot at getting decent apps for the gear2, but if not...... My choice to hold out for the gear2 instead of getting the galaxy gear will probably bite me in the arse. I wonder if the galaxy gear will be able to downgrade after the Tizen update. If not I better go grab one now...
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I never said it was easy hehe.
Seriously tho, it would be awesome if HTML5 apps have hardware access.. we shall see!
I'll be impressed if they can OTA a whole new OS onto the watch. It's a little shady though. Imagine buying an apple computer, and having them ota windows onto it 6 months later.
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According to this article (and its source) it does:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13...tch-flops-with-just-50000-units-sold---report
Such a shame! For starters they could have reduced the high return rates by making the SDK public and adding some more apps to the store.
Is it really just a pilot? Personally I don't care now we have unleashed the potential powers of the Gear with fOmey's Null_ rom
As an app developer I do care however... I'm burning to create apps for this device. But all signs are in a complete other direction
Update1: Just in : according to Samsung it is a success!
http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/19/samsung-800000-galaxy-gear-sales/
Update 2: And look who is making the headlines over at Engadget!
http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/19/galaxy-gear-smartwatch-custom-rom/
i don't see how its a flop .... just because some wieners say it is a flop doesn't means its true. null_ roms from f0mey are making me fall in love with my gear, its an awesome device , just needs the potential unlocked by samsung providing SDK free for all and some good developers developing for this device. I am sure it would happen soon.
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richie
p.s. : i got rid of iphone 5 just for this (GEAR), and i have an ipad lying around .... i have always been android lover but have a lumia 925 too .... and my preference is android, apple is dead meat. Windows mobile is ****....
I think that Apple refuses to appeal to early adopters. If a product doesn't sell a billion units and appeal to the simplistic users they feel its a failure. Personally I use a MBP and have for years and love it, however I wouldn't piss on an iOS device because outside its initial release when there wasn't other device like the iPad/iPhone out there. Now it hasn't advanced for ****. Being an early adopter I love the constant change and dev. of the devices. For me its not about what fancy accessories I can get but what the device itself can do and how it can be pushed. Oh well, they will forever sit and bash on Android devices now that Steve Jobs is gone. Their competitive edge and creativity is gone too.
Samsung just contradicted the 50k estimate, says it sold 800k units
http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/19/samsung-800000-galaxy-gear-sales/
And that's good news!
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http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/19/samsung-800000-galaxy-gear-sales/
And that's good news!
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Even bigger news:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/19/galaxy-gear-smartwatch-custom-rom/
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Even bigger news:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/19/galaxy-gear-smartwatch-custom-rom/
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Hahaha! Congratulations. You made the headlines !
800k it's not bad. If the system was not close ( just a few samsung phones) the sales were 5x at least. I own smart watch 2 and gear, note 3 and z1. The pluses for sm2 are the waterproof and a little bit the clasic design. Gear is better expecialy after the last update. I wear everyday the gear.
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According to this article (and its source) it does:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13...tch-flops-with-just-50000-units-sold---report
Such a shame! For starters they could have reduced the high return rates by making the SDK public and adding some more apps to the store.
Is it really just a pilot? Personally I don't care now we have unleashed the potential powers of the Gear with fOmey's Null_ rom
As an app developer I do care however... I'm burning to create apps for this device. But all signs are in a complete other direction
Update1: Just in : according to Samsung it is a success!
http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/19/samsung-800000-galaxy-gear-sales/
Update 2: And look who is making the headlines over at Engadget!
http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/19/galaxy-gear-smartwatch-custom-rom/
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The Apple insider article was a mistake that has been corrected on other sites it was 50k in South Korea. Heading towards 1 million worldwide and the world's biggest selling smart watch, the latest watch firmware has transformed notifications.
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Dont forget only note 3 was alowed to sync ......now alot of other samsung phones are receiving update 4.3 we will see about....
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800k shipped to retailers, not sold.
You should know better than to trust apple insider as an accurate source with anything samsung related lol
Just wondering, why hasn't there been any development on real Gear Apps that install on both the Phone (as the data provider) and on the Gear (as the data slave) ?
All the Official Gear Apps do this.
This would eliminate the cumbersome need for Bluetooth Tethering.
Because there is no sdk available
ic, tho how are some 3rd party apps you see in the Gear Store being developed?
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ic, tho how are some 3rd party apps you see in the Gear Store being developed?
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Some select companies have access to the sdk
Well, that's rather myopic of Samsung (not surprisingly).
Their Watch is doing badly enough, did they really think they could charge for the SDK?
Why is Samsung's Software division (1 intern) such a failure across the board?
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Well, that's rather myopic of Samsung (not surprisingly).
Their Watch is doing badly enough, did they really think they could charge for the SDK?
Why is Samsung's Software division (1 intern) such a failure across the board?
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Nah, think they knew gear 2 was going to be out pretty soon after gear 1. gear 2 sdk has been out for a little while
As you say, the SDK for Tizen has been released a while ago, I wonder how many apps will be available on Launch Day for Tizen.
Do you think Developers will hesitate to support Tizen now that Google Wear has been announced?
Seems to me, if Samsung wanted to succeed in capturing the market, they should have released Tizen update for Gear ONE, 6 months ago to have a fair chance.
The possibility of a Samsung / Google Wear watch may be announced during Google I/O. How does this make you feel about your gear? GO!
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The possibility of a Samsung / Google Wear watch may be announced during Google I/O. How does this make you feel about your gear? GO!
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I'm hoping that if Samsung does release an Android Wear watch, that it is of similar hardware as our Gear 2s and some dev smarter than me can port the OS to ours. Otherwise, I may be upset since I just bought mine 2 weeks ago. That is of course depending on the features of the rumored watch.
If it's all of the "wear" functionality, I'm not gonna be happy. I got my gear 2 neo just over a month ago which means I can't return it...
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I'm selling my gear 2 for a gear wear (or any good android wear watch) the second it hits the market. Im not ready to live thru tizens maturity for wearables. Until now i've been disappointed with the app selection and notifications. Any android app is a few lines of code away from being an android wearable app and that means a lot to an ecosystem that has a lot of added value with already a huge community behind it
More than likely I'll sell the gear and get one of these android wear watches. I don't know yet, we'll see next week.
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I managed to return mine on day 26 !!!
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The Neo wasn't that expensive after the recent sales so even if I ditch for AW, it won't be too much of a loss. I knew Android Wear was coming, yet kept the Neo as I'm hoping the awesome potential of the hardware can be unlocked eventually. I don't get the comments like "I'll be pissed, because I just got my Gear" - AW was announced awhile ago with expectation that devices will be dropping this summer - it shouldn't be a surprise to you guys.
AW will most likely have more Dev support and more apps. The only thing is I don't need -all- the apps, just specific ones to get what usage out of a smartwatch I want.
I'm encouraged as some of the stuff I have been requesting from Devs are being fulfilled. Maybe we get lucky and AW can get ported to this hardware (doubtful). If AW can't get ported to Neo, I hope Samsung announces an AW unit that has the IR blaster like the Neo- I'm open to trading to that. To my knowledge no other AW announced has the IR blaster, and I kind of want that.
It will be interesting to see what is announced. Just got my Gear 2 last week, and I love it, so I'm not looking to buy anything new anytime soon.
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The Neo wasn't that expensive after the recent sales so even if I ditch for AW, it won't be too much of a loss. I knew Android Wear was coming, yet kept the Neo as I'm hoping the awesome potential of the hardware can be unlocked eventually. I don't get the comments like "I'll be pissed, because I just got my Gear" - AW was announced awhile ago with expectation that devices will be dropping this summer - it shouldn't be a surprise to you guys.
AW will most likely have more Dev support and more apps. The only thing is I don't need -all- the apps, just specific ones to get what usage out of a smartwatch I want.
I'm encouraged as some of the stuff I have been requesting from Devs are being fulfilled. Maybe we get lucky and AW can get ported to this hardware (doubtful). If AW can't get ported to Neo, I hope Samsung announces an AW unit that has the IR blaster like the Neo- I'm open to trading to that. To my knowledge no other AW announced has the IR blaster, and I kind of want that.
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Turn your flame blower off. Everyone here knows about Wear, and knows what they currently have, as well as what may be to come. The question was not to agitate, but to gain perspective...
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Best move for Samsung at this point it to ditch Tizen and work on converting the Galaxy Gear watches to Android Wear. This isn't a war they can win. This is very reminiscent to the HP Touchpad problem.
HP faced STRONG criticism when the Touch Pad failed similarly. HP didn't support a HP-OS conversion to Android and Cyanogen had to come to the rescue.
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Who's flaming? I was just offering my opinion which I thought you were asking for input. Since you're so sensitive about it I won't bother continuing then, what was the point at all? sheesh.
mitch27 said:
Best move for Samsung at this point it to ditch Tizen and work on converting the Galaxy Gear watches to Android Wear. This isn't a war they can win. This is very reminiscent to the HP Touchpad problem.
HP faced STRONG criticism when the Touch Pad failed similarly. HP didn't support a HP-OS conversion to Android and Cyanogen had to come to the rescue.
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There is one major difference, Tizen has a lot of MAJOR players involved that will do everything in their power to develop it and make it a major android contender. HP was a lone player with their own OS in a world where there already was a lot of other mature OSs. The wearables is the only chance Tizen has to florish because there is nobody in that market yet, if it does it will be on your wrist. I like android wear much more but if done right, Tizen can be something worth it
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Maybe Samsung should find a developer that can TIZEN a sim card, gps, and allow streaming music and video on the watch.
mitch27 said:
Best move for Samsung at this point it to ditch Tizen and work on converting the Galaxy Gear watches to Android Wear. This isn't a war they can win. This is very reminiscent to the HP Touchpad problem.
HP faced STRONG criticism when the Touch Pad failed similarly. HP didn't support a HP-OS conversion to Android and Cyanogen had to come to the rescue.
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What if... IF... Samsung is announcing they're ditching Tizen for Google Wear altogether?! How awesome would THAT be?!
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What if... IF... Samsung is announcing they're ditching Tizen for Google Wear altogether?! How awesome would THAT be?!
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It would be awesome. Samsung has already stated that they are releasing a wear smartwatch, which is most likely a test to see what their customers will go for. Judging by the huge gaping hole in the Tizen app store, I don't blame them. By formally releasing their own Google Wear device, it looks like they have already made their decision as to the future of Tizen on smart watches. At least for now.
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/wearables/n...ar-smartwatch-at-google-io-2014-report-546198
So now that samsung gear live has been announced and is available for order today can we get that os on our neos?
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It seems unclear what the Samsung strategy is, as the new device has no camera or home button.
It sounded like Samsung siding with Google and maybe ditching Tizen.
Hopefully it will be a mix and Gear 2 & Neo users get Google Wear, but knowing Samsung after barely 3 months they may just ditch them.
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So now that samsung gear live has been announced and is available for order today can we get that os on our neos?
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I agree, I expect our Gear watches have very similar hardware to the new Samsung Android Wear device and just maybe now that we have root on this device, we could flash an Android Wear ROM onto them?
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I agree, I expect our Gear watches have very similar hardware to the new Samsung Android Wear device and just maybe now that we have root on this device, we could flash an Android Wear ROM onto them?
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In theory yes. I know that me and some other developers are working on creating custom roms and recovery for the gear 2/neo. Its just a matter of time before we can access the recovery. Once that is done we should be able to flash Android Wear on to them. The Live and Neo are almost the same compared to specs. The Gear 2, however, has a camera function that isn't present in Live. Also the IR function would be gone as well.
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In theory yes. I know that me and some other developers are working on creating custom roms and recovery for the gear 2/neo. Its just a matter of time before we can access the recovery. Once that is done we should be able to flash Android Wear on to them. The Live and Neo are almost the same compared to specs. The Gear 2, however, has a camera function that isn't present in Live. Also the IR function would be gone as well.
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That's excellent news and I'd be very interested in giving this a go as it's looking like Tizen is 'dead in cradle'!
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Other than the obvious, Gear/Gear 2 run Tizen. How are they different?
Can you make calls from the watch/accept/decline calls from the watch like you can on the Gear/Gear 2?
Also, how does it handle notifications? For example you receive a text or get Tweeted at, can you respond?
Thanks for any/all info!
Might go to Best Buy sometime this week and buy one, so would like all info possible!
It is quite different. Mind you, I'm also using custom null on gear 1
There is a mic, but no speaker
Vibrate seems very weak
All notifications get sent to watch. Haven't tested replying yet
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Kind of disappointing that you cannot take a phone call on the Gear Live as you can on the Galaxy Gear and Gear 2.
Surprised I am typing this, but it is a backwards progress vs the Gear 2 as of right now. I dont have any confidence in Samsung long term for developing a capable platform and have all confidence in Google so I will ditch my Neo for it but Android Wear has a way to go.
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Surprised I am typing this, but it is a backwards progress vs the Gear 2 as of right now. I don't have any confidence in Samsung long term for developing a capable platform and have all confidence in Google so I will ditch my Neo for it but Android Wear has a way to go.
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I know everyone have an opinion, but from where I am sitting, this a great leap forward, There are many things that can be improve and with time software will get a lot better, however on my eyes Lives have improved considerable over the Gears 2.
I have been thinking about buying the Gear VR for my Note 4. I figure I'd ask what the requirements for it are before buying it? Do I need a certain base to use it? I am on the Vzw NI1 stock unrooted retail version. If there is anything else I should know before purchasing one, please let me know. Thank you.
Nobody on a Vzw Note 4 has Gear VR?
I know when the Note 4 first came out, it needed an update on Kit Kat at a minimum to get Gear Vr working. Does it currently need the latest Lollipop to be compatible with Gear or is that initial KK update enough?
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Nobody on a Vzw Note 4 has Gear VR?
I know when the Note 4 first came out, it needed an update on Kit Kat at a minimum to get Gear Vr working. Does it currently need the latest Lollipop to be compatible with Gear or is that initial KK update enough?
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afaik you dont need Lolipop to use the Gear VR but the Netflix app will not work
to be sure if your current rom version supports it you could try the following:
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...needed to install QuickShortcutMaker from the Google Play Store (Thanks lawalty!)
From within the QuickShortcutMaker App, under Activities I selected VRSetupWizardStub, then pressed Try
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if the wizard starts up all should be fine working :fingers-crossed:
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afaik you dont need Lolipop to use the Gear VR but the Netflix app will not work
to be sure if your current rom version supports it you could try the following:
if the wizard starts up all should be fine working :fingers-crossed:
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Sweet, thanks man. I don't have a Netflix account so I hope KK is enough. I just got to decide if I want the Gear VR or not. Would you say it is worth it?
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Sweet, thanks man. I don't have a Netflix account so I hope KK is enough. I just got to decide if I want the Gear VR or not. Would you say it is worth it?
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As you already have the compatible mobile, if you get one for 100$ (as it is sold now at this price) i would recommend it!
It is not finished enough to call it consumer ready for the mainstream but its definitely one of the best VR experiences up to date. :cyclops:
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As you already have the compatible mobile, if you get one for 100$ (as it is sold now at this price) i would recommend it!
It is not finished enough to call it consumer ready for the mainstream but its definitely one of the best VR experiences up to date. :cyclops:
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The 'not finished enough' part is stopping me from buying it right now. I know it has some flaws, but wouldn't some company, maybe not samsung, fix those issues in the future? I'm just afraid I'll drop $100 for the Gear VR then a way better vr headset comes out later from someone else.
It works just fine on my Verizon phone. However ... I'm not at all happy with the image quality overall. See separate thread. I think I'm going to sell it and just wait for the Rift.
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It works just fine on my Verizon phone. However ... I'm not at all happy with the image quality overall. See separate thread. I think I'm going to sell it and just wait for the Rift.
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Please don't expect too much improvement in image quality when switching to the Rift. The Rift will have a lower (or nearly equal) resolution as the current Gear VR. The lenses will be better but this will not improve the pixel size or density. What the Rift will improve are the overall possible graphic richness as it is run on a pc with a GPU that outperforms any mobile system.
You will have to wait for next generation HMDs to get a better image quality.
If this was more polished, I probably would've bought it without hesitation. Feels like I should wait for an 8k display phone or something before fully going into VR. Also, I'm not too sure if I'll stay with my Note 4 now. Playing with the Note 5 now and I feel tempted to switch. Thanks for your help guys.