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Ive got an old s3 mini that has been replaced by a new s4.
what i want to do is use the s3 purely as a media player for music while in the gym.
Is there a way to completely strip out the phone components of the kernel?
I have tried uninstalling the phone apk etc using titanium backup but this just resulted in loads of force closes.
Airplane mode works, but id prefer to get the phone as basic as i possibly can to save on battery and storage.
Ok Samsung released an update for the original Gear the day i bought the thing, now i don't know what to do, should i install a Custom ROM such as Null or upgrade to Tizen?
Null for me! my automation home And 100000 possibility only with android!
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Just flip a coin!
Heads is Null.
Tails is Tizen.
Root and install null and play with it for a while until the Tizen offering becomes more pallatable (ie more native apps, and perhaps custom roms). If youget it to do the things you need in a smartwatch and the battery life is sufficient then there is no reason to "upgrade"
If you start to feel that the promise of having access to thousands of android apps is somewhat overated and largely impractical on the gear's form factor (as I did), or you feel that support is/will be slowly being withdrawn on native apps, or that you may need the extra efficiency with the battery life. Then you can always explore Tizen..Just beware that, at present, there is no viable way back.
I was happy to have had the ability to experiment with Null and truly appreciate Fomey's work. But I believe that the future ( for the Gear anyway) lies with Tizen..Hopefully Fomey will come on board and dev for us on the "dark side"
crutzulee said:
Root and install null and play with it for a while until the Tizen offering becomes more pallatable (ie more native apps, and perhaps custom roms). If youget it to do the things you need in a smartwatch and the battery life is sufficient then there is no reason to "upgrade"
If you start to feel that the promise of having access to thousands of android apps is somewhat overated and largely impractical on the gear's form factor (as I did), or you feel that support is/will be slowly being withdrawn on native apps, or that you may need the extra efficiency with the battery life. Then you can always explore Tizen..Just beware that, at present, there is no viable way back.
I was happy to have had the ability to experiment with Null and truly appreciate Fomey's work. But I believe that the future ( for the Gear anyway) lies with Tizen..Hopefully Fomey will come on board and dev for us on the "dark side"
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I totally agree
I used stock android
I used null rom
Im now on tizen
I preferred stock to null ,but appreciate what null had to offer
I prefer tizen over them all
This is honestly really interesting for me to read. I just got my Gear in the mail and when i get home it will be the 1st time i have got to mess with one. Just gonna try it out for a little while as is before i decide. Came with Android and im curious about Tizen. Hmm..
I'm enjoying learning about Android to much to swap to tizen at the moment. So far the stock experience of Android or tizen on the gear seems to be very similar. The only major difference so far is that lots of people are reporting better battery life on tizen. However app selection on tizen seems limited. I've really enjoyed playing with different third party apps whilst running null. At the moment, for me, tizen would take more than it gives from my user experience. If that changes somewhere down the line I can always move to tizen. However if I switch to tizen there is currently no way to switch back if I miss the current features I'm using with third party apps on null.
Tizen is for those who want a smartwatch with built in apps and don't want to 'play' with it. I think stock experience is terrible, and I would return the watch if i could not put Null rom on it.
Null is the actual upgrade, Tizen is a downgrade.
Tizen is the way to go if you are using a non-Samsung phone and want to use the watch for what it was meant to be. So much more works out of the box and many of null's features were more of a novelty.
Playing roms on your watch isnt very viable due to the screen and battery life.
Browsing the internet on a watch is cool for a few minutes
Tizen allows notifications to work out of the box, and they work with almost everything. By default, this didn't work in null.
Tizen allows the "find my phone" feature to work. This also didn't work in null on my phone
Tizen gives the watch a mini version of the exercise app. Null doesn't have this, but you can sideload other apps.
Tizen gives the phone a standalone music player that can also play through bluetooth headphones. Null didn't do that for me.
Tizen also supports sleep tracking.
The battery life in Tizen is much better.
The Tizen upgrade is more than just an improvement in battery life.
The only thing I miss from the android experience is the unlocked kernel that allowed me to go from 800mhz single core to 1.6ghz dual core, the 15 second time limit for video being raised to 60 second and the mod that allows offline voice commands to work. Using null for much else lead to a major drain in battery life that caused me to leave my gear at home more often than not. With the Tizen upgrade the gear is now seriously being used as a tool rather than a toy to tinker with.
Of course, I totally understand why people running null say that Tizen makes it a toy and null makes their watch a real tool, but for me not having to waste time getting my smart watch setup was important. Out of the box, it's everything I need without having to waste too much time troubleshooting.
novadaemon said:
Tizen is the way to go if you are using a non-Samsung phone and want to use the watch for what it was meant to be. So much more works out of the box and many of null's features were more of a novelty.
Playing roms on your watch isnt very viable due to the screen and battery life.
Browsing the internet on a watch is cool for a few minutes
Tizen allows notifications to work out of the box, and they work with almost everything. By default, this didn't work in null.
Tizen allows the "find my phone" feature to work. This also didn't work in null on my phone
Tizen gives the watch a mini version of the exercise app. Null doesn't have this, but you can sideload other apps.
Tizen gives the phone a standalone music player that can also play through bluetooth headphones. Null didn't do that for me.
Tizen also supports sleep tracking.
The battery life in Tizen is much better.
The Tizen upgrade is more than just an improvement in battery life.
The only thing I miss from the android experience is the unlocked kernel that allowed me to go from 800mhz single core to 1.6ghz dual core, the 15 second time limit for video being raised to 60 second and the mod that allows offline voice commands to work. Using null for much else lead to a major drain in battery life that caused me to leave my gear at home more often than not. With the Tizen upgrade the gear is now seriously being used as a tool rather than a toy to tinker with.
Of course, I totally understand why people running null say that Tizen makes it a toy and null makes their watch a real tool, but for me not having to waste time getting my smart watch setup was important. Out of the box, it's everything I need without having to waste too much time troubleshooting.
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What is the app it uses to connect to the phone. Or I mean what app installs on the phone to talk to the watch.
I only use for what I want notifications.
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I would go tizen if I can have 60 second recoding. I use it quite often. The root hack version isn't good enough for me. So for now null is better for me. I also like being to Bluetooth files to my gear with null.
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Curious
I just got my Gear a week ago and have been loving it running Null. I am curious about Tizen but was wondering if anyone is working on anything with it yet? e.g. Custom ROM's, etc. I've also heard through the rumor mills that Tizen may offer a solution for devices running AOSP ROM's? I am currently running infmaous ROM on my Note 3, but want to get back to an AOSP like CM11.
Thanks
Tizen Upgrade
Hi,
How do I upgrade from stock to Tizen?
Is it available in Australia yet?
andrewbat said:
Hi,
How do I upgrade from stock to Tizen?
Is it available in Australia yet?
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I assume you have Gear 1 since you don't have Tizen stock loaded?
@radekklamzynski7 has this up on XDA...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2767465
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After messing arround with Tizen for a while I am really sick of it.
I am not able to make all the features work on a non Samsung phone.
When I get one thing running, something else is broken. I have reinstalled everything for at least 5-7 times.
- Sometimes I am able to install apps from Galaxy store, sometimes not
- After a while notification (which is the only real usefull feature of the watch) crashes after receiving the first notification until I reboot or reinstall the phone
- There is no screen which shows notifications on the watch face
- All calls are automatically routed to the phone first: My phone is ringing and I start running arround and search for the watch to be able to pick up the phone
I am thinking of selling the watch on Ebay.
Or probably I'll play arround with Null first, to get rid of those crappy Samsung apps at least.
If I am lucky somebody is making an Android Wear port in the meantime.
novadaemon said:
Tizen is the way to go if you are using a non-Samsung phone and want to use the watch for what it was meant to be. So much more works out of the box and many of null's features were more of a novelty.
Playing roms on your watch isnt very viable due to the screen and battery life.
Browsing the internet on a watch is cool for a few minutes
Tizen allows notifications to work out of the box, and they work with almost everything. By default, this didn't work in null.
Tizen allows the "find my phone" feature to work. This also didn't work in null on my phone
Tizen gives the watch a mini version of the exercise app. Null doesn't have this, but you can sideload other apps.
Tizen gives the phone a standalone music player that can also play through bluetooth headphones. Null didn't do that for me.
Tizen also supports sleep tracking.
The battery life in Tizen is much better.
The Tizen upgrade is more than just an improvement in battery life.
The only thing I miss from the android experience is the unlocked kernel that allowed me to go from 800mhz single core to 1.6ghz dual core, the 15 second time limit for video being raised to 60 second and the mod that allows offline voice commands to work. Using null for much else lead to a major drain in battery life that caused me to leave my gear at home more often than not. With the Tizen upgrade the gear is now seriously being used as a tool rather than a toy to tinker with.
Of course, I totally understand why people running null say that Tizen makes it a toy and null makes their watch a real tool, but for me not having to waste time getting my smart watch setup was important. Out of the box, it's everything I need without having to waste too much time troubleshooting.
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Sorry may be a stupid question, but I flashed my S4 i9505 to GPE 4.4.4. How do i make it work with my Gear 1 which is now tizen?
bacman20 said:
Sorry may be a stupid question, but I flashed my S4 i9505 to GPE 4.4.4. How do i make it work with my Gear 1 which is now tizen?
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Go back to android on your gear 1. Lol. I couldn't tizen to play nice with anything but Samsung ROM with gear software.
Megaflop666 said:
Go back to android on your gear 1. Lol. I couldn't tizen to play nice with anything but Samsung ROM with gear software.
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Thank you. I was already considering it.
Hi there.. what is best rom for Galaxy Gear? that i can customize lot? mean notifications and other things? is stock good or that Null ROM? thanks.
The main question is what you need. All Roms can get Notification. One Problem is the battery. I think with Tizen it is the best. Then comes Null Rom and at last the Android.
For myself I prefer Tizen. Because the Battery must stand at least one day.
For Null Rom you need Internet over BT Tethering. Nothing for the Battery. In my opinion its something to show other people for 2 days. Nothing else. Remember, its a watch and not a computer.
darkgano said:
The main question is what you need. All Roms can get Notification. One Problem is the battery. I think with Tizen it is the best. Then comes Null Rom and at last the Android.
For myself I prefer Tizen. Because the Battery must stand at least one day.
For Null Rom you need Internet over BT Tethering. Nothing for the Battery. In my opinion its something to show other people for 2 days. Nothing else. Remember, its a watch and not a computer.
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thanks.. maybe i keep tizen
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For Null Rom you need Internet over BT Tethering. Nothing for the Battery.
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This is not true. Null rom does not have any requirement for internet/bluetooth tethering. Yes, if you wanted to use the native web browser for internet, you need tethering. There are alternatives to this though.
Personally, I use Null ROM and gear manager 1.6 (the most recent gear manager causes too much battery drain). Under normal usage conditions (e.g. checking notifications, responding to sms messages, occasional calls), I'm usually left with 80-85% battery still left after a full day use (7:30 am - 12am).
I flashed yesterday the last Android Version after Nullrom. Because Gear Manager doesnt worked.
In 4 hours the battery was dead. Now I have Tizen on my watch. Because I have with this the best Battery consume.
Search and try them out yourself.
There is no best ROM. A search would have told you this.
I have a Galaxy Gear (1st gen) and it's still on Android.
Curious if I should stay on Android or move to the Tizen update?
I don't really plan to do much tinkering or hacking, but don't see much on rolling it back to Android if I don't like Tizen so thought I'd ask first.
TIA!
~poz
I updated mine and think its much better. I dont tinker much with the watch (i do with my phone) and generally just use the watch for its intended purpose.
Ive seen a thread with a working rollback to android. Although i think it takes abit of luck to make it work. Dont plan on rolling back though as i dont see the need.
I would suggest the update but thats just my opinion
Like maskerwsk said. If you're not tinkering with it then I think Tizen is the way to go. I upgraded shortly after I got mine. The battery life is better. I hear the performance is better but I can't vouch for that, I didn't play with android enough. The app support is much better and the launcher is visually more appealing, if that sort of thing is important to you. I like to check out the available stock options and then I cant resist the urge to mess with it. I have successfully downgraded back to android with out to much trouble. I have a custom recovery installed. The next step is to get Null loaded on it. If you intend to use it for it's intended purpose then you probably wont regret upgrading to Tizen.
Going back to android is easy, follow the thread and it's fine. I used tizen for the most part and everything worked fine for me using it on an lg g3 however I wasn't able to get gear manager working when I updated to lollipop on my g3 so back to null for me.
Null, when you set the cpu up properly easily last a full day, could probably get 2 days out of it if I don't play with it a lot. It's really a toss up. Try both and see what fits you better, or if non Samsung and lollipop, right now your only real option is android and with that no reason not to run null.
What's the video recording time limit on Tizen?
I get 3 days of battery on my Gear now because it's only for notification and occasional camera use.
Performance is much better than Android. And no side loading either!
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What's the video recording time limit on Tizen?
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15 seconds.
I love to tinker so it's null all the way for me! I look at tizen and I think no: zooper, tasker, popup widget, gmd gesture control etc etc etc it's my device and I enjoy seeing how far I can push it and also workaround things that frustrate me like not being able to reply to a notification on whatsapp. But it's each to their own. I hope you enjoy your device whatever path you choose to take
It's a much better device on Tizen, with one critical exception, at least for me: the battery drain is horrible. On Android, I could still be in the low 90% range at the end of the day. On Tizen, it drains at an average rate of 7% an hour. Worse if I'm really active with it (video recording, etc.). It died mid-afternoon last week. I've reset the Gear and reinstalled Gear Manager, but no joy. I'd go back to Android but I like Tizen a lot more -- save for the drain.
Edit: This fix -- downgrading to the previous version of Gear Manager -- seems to have fixed the battery issue for me: http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-gear/help/battery-dying-12-hours-t2887770.
Before I start describing my problem - let me just state that I am 100% sure that everything is perfectly fine with my brand new Gear VR as it worked tonight flawlessly on my my wife's Note 4 - running the same 5.0.1 OS, as my Note 4 (T-mobile).
Problem is to get *MY* Note 4 working with the Gear VR.
While hers is working just fine - mine gets stuck on Health and Safety warning screen!
Just like with my wife's - when I connected my Note 4 to the Gear VR for the first time, with a nice blue and white (already working) VR/3D image it prompted me to take it off and install the appropriate software. I did and reconnected the Note to the gear VR and was awaiting the Welcome screen.
Sure enough - after the usual beep the screen came on:
a) - 1 small white spinning circle - IN THE DEAD CENTER - as it should be
b) - then the intro with the elliptical shape ferry dust animation that follows with instructions
to adjust the focus with the center ring on top.
Note: this image with focusing instructions is split to the left and right part of the screen with center being EMPTY !! I cannot turn around and look around in the room like I can if it works. The image is flat/still.
c) - then the HEALTH and SAFETY warning screen comes on.
Note: this warning image is also split with partial text thrown to the left and right part of the screen with center being EMPTY !!
More importantly - I do not see the small blue cross with which I should to aim with my head on the blue Oculus oval logo ("Look here to acknowledge" - in order to leave this screen and go to Oculus Home....and the "Look here to acknowledge" is placed to the very right of the screen, where I actually only see the word 'Look" I have to actually take the VR partially off , look deeper to the right to see "" here to acknowledge"
Both of our Note 4s run 5.0.1. We just got the VR today and installed Oculus software on both phones today. I am really puzzled why it works on her phone on not on my Note 4.
(to make things worse - her phone is getting sold and shipped in 2 days and now my Note 4 cannot get passed the "Health and safety warning" screen.
Please advise any help would be appreciated.
I also should mention that:
- a) I tried to uninstall the Oculus software, wiped cache partition, re-installed Oculus Software
- b) my phone is rooted, but it is running the stock ROM and our phones are identical as far as:
- identical Android version: 5.0.1
- identical baseband: N910TUVU1COD6
- identical Kernel 3.10.40-4739134
Tue April 21 11:47:32 KST 2015
- identical build number: LRX22C.N910TUVU1COD6
- identical 'SE for Android Status"
- identical "Security software version"
- identical Knox version
I would not think that rooting ist the problem as I have heard that many other users are running Gear VR
on rooted Note 4s and I also think that if rooting was the problem, then it would either run or not run at all.
The fact that it starts into the split image is puzzling me and I really do not want to do a full factory reset on my phone and re-install and activate all my apps. (I will if I have to, but hoping that there is a simple solution
to this before I go that route).
Thanks again in advance for your input.
I had this problem but it was due to the fact that I was using a custom rom/kernel, went back to stock and it's ok again.. don't know what could be causing you that problem...
tyraelasd said:
I had this problem but it was due to the fact that I was using a custom rom/kernel, went back to stock and it's ok again.. don't know what could be causing you that problem...
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Did you have the SAME problem where the Health and Safety warning image was
split to the left and right and middle of the image was empty?
I think I may have to reset the phone, install Oculus and run the VR and then I will try to
root again (using stock ROM).
WatchFan1 said:
Did you have the SAME problem where the Health and Safety warning image was
split to the left and right and middle of the image was empty?
I think I may have to reset the phone, install Oculus and run the VR and then I will try to
root again (using stock ROM).
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Yes, the same exact problem. Solved going back to stock.
Thank you for the reply.
After you went stock and reinstalled Oculus and everything went well - did you try root again?
As much as I obviously want to run the Gear VR, I'd hate to lose the root. (With root, Greenify and other tweaks, my phone runs like a champ and battery is phenomenal)...I really need to hear from guys here that run rooted N4 and Gaar Vr and see what they did (the sequence of install / root etc.)
WatchFan1 said:
Thank you for the reply.
After you went stock and reinstalled Oculus and everything went well - did you try root again?
As much as I obviously want to run the Gear VR, I'd hate to lose the root. (With root, Greenify and other tweaks, my phone runs like a champ and battery is phenomenal)...I really need to hear from guys here that run rooted N4 and Gaar Vr and see what they did (the sequence of install / root etc.)
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I'm rooted and that doesn't cause any trouble with the VR. I'm with the s6 though... can't talk for the N4. Now, I'm not so happy that I can't install custom roms or custom kernels and get the VR working, I've always been a custom kernel/rom kind of guy so this makes me sad.
Do you plan upgrading to 5.1.1 anytime soon? I haven't been to find the answer if the VR works flawlessly with 5.1.1.
Thank you for your reply, tyraelasd !
I hope to hear from someone that runs rooted Note 4 and GVR.
Here is my last 'Hail Mary Pass' attempt to solicit some more opinions before the weekend as I am not looking forward at all to the hours I will waste on wiping and resetting my phone :lol:
The same build number and same kernels between my wife's and my N4 still make me think that rooting should not be causing this, but it looks that unless some other fix comes up, I am going to have to do factory reset (un-root) and reinstall and reconfigure all the apps this weekend
Is anyone here running rooted Note 4 and Gear VR ?
If yes, what was your sequence of rooting, installing Oculus SW etc?
If you are rooted, what build, ROM and kernel are you running?
Thanks in advance!