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Hi all,
I just wanted to share my experience with Google Play in Germany. I am a native of Australia, but I have been living in Germany for about three years. As such, my German language skills are pretty good, but I often find it hard to speak over the phone. I noticed that my Nexus 7 has left side screen lift a week ago; I have a C8O, which is otherwise perfect, but I figured I should be completely happy with the device and not just partially happy. I also wanted to avoid any possible problems in the future. Additionally, the capacitors in my charger sound like they are going to pop at any second, so that was also of concern.
Anyway, I called their customer support, and the person I dealt with (Annette) was fantastic. She was patient with me, and when I described the problems, she straight away offered an exchange for a new device. So, I will order a new device today, and ship the problematic tablet back after I receive the new one. Which means I am not tablet-less; another surprise. Lets see how the return process goes, but so far, so good. Fingers crossed I receive a C9O with no manufacturing defects and a charger which doesn't sound like its about to explode!
Cheers,
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That is great.
I live near Germany and I got my Nexus 7 with 1 bad pixel, considering for RMA...
once they receive the original device back. it will take you about two months on average to get your money back. But this is only if you stay on them about it.. Its all over the net about this trouble.. My bank has filed a Dispute with them for me and about 10 or there people who live in the area of my city for this exact issue.. you are very likely to get another device as bad or worse then the one your sending back...
So if you do not see your money in two weeks file fraud with your back. GOOGLE Needs to step up and fix this issue..
erica_renee said:
once they receive the original device back. it will take you about two months on average to get your money back. But this is only if you stay on them about it.. Its all over the net about this trouble.. My bank has filed a Dispute with them for me and about 10 or there people who live in the area of my city for this exact issue.. you are very likely to get another device as bad or worse then the one your sending back...
So if you do not see your money in two weeks file fraud with your back. GOOGLE Needs to step up and fix this issue..
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I've seen so much of this about, what a terrible method of a returns process, charging you for another device because the device you bought is broke?
What if it was a kid who'd saved all his pocket money to get the device, only for it to be broke, do they expect that kid to spend night and day doing paper rounds so he can buy a second, in order to return the first?
Sounds to me like this is their plan, and hope that alot of the customers do not complain and therefor they have sold that person two devices.
Very bad move of Google and totally destroying for their reputation in my opinion.
erica_renee said:
once they receive the original device back. it will take you about two months on average to get your money back. But this is only if you stay on them about it.. Its all over the net about this trouble.. My bank has filed a Dispute with them for me and about 10 or there people who live in the area of my city for this exact issue.. you are very likely to get another device as bad or worse then the one your sending back...
So if you do not see your money in two weeks file fraud with your back. GOOGLE Needs to step up and fix this issue..
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I am hoping that this won't be the case - They have not yet informed me that I will need to purchase a second device in order the RMA the first I purchased. Until they tell me that, I will wait and see. Regardless, German banks are, in my experience, very particular about fraud; I have contacted my bank previously about a charge which I didn't recognise and it was reversed the same day. I will see what happens, but thanks for the heads up
google will send you a email with a link in it. This link is to start the replacement process. What it does is charge your card for a second device. They send it to you. When you receive it you send them the old device.. Then you have to wait . after 14 days you call them to get the charge taken off your card. then it takes them about 3 weeks to get back to you. then a week or so later if you keep calling it will show up in google wallet that its been refunded.. (This is where im at in the process) . Im told by google they have given me my money back and to call my bank. My bank says THEY HAVE NOT and to file fraud charges. This cost 65.00 per device so i have waited and been putting pressure on google.. I will file the charges monday. I Asked my lawyer friend and he says that he might be able to MAKE Google come to Kentucky for a small claims case for the charges .
I Would if you can try to contact asus and see if they can let you send it to them to be REPAIRED.. atleast you know someone will be looking at it . If you go thru all of the above and end up with another bad device . Asus thou i think there support is lousy here in the us.. Are for better then Google..
Just my opinion sorry if i took this thread in the wrong direction.. But its something that many are having issues with and you have the right to know. Some people have had good experience in the exchange process. But it seems only a few .
Good Luck ..
UPDATE:
Okay, so step two in the RMA process has finally been completed. After seemingly forgetting the fact that I called the week before last to organise an RMA, I called Google again on Monday. The guy I dealt with was a bit less understanding of my language difficulties over the phone, but we got there in the end. I got the email with the cart link, and clicked this and 'paid' on Wednesday morning (even though they don't charge your card, it seems that they simply check that your card can cover the extra charge if need be). I actually used a debit and not a credit card, and the balance hasn't been touched at this point.
My new device just arrived! It seems they express-posted it to me, which is generous of them. Its another C8O, same as my 'old' tablet, and thus far doesn't have obvious left-side screen lift - But I will charge it up fully tonight, and see whether it occurs under heat. Meanwhile, I will unroot and lock the bootloader again on the old unit, just in case...
Fingers crossed for a lift-free Nexus 7 - but with all the other problems around, I am not holding my breath!
lanyao1920 said:
That is great.
I live near Germany and I got my Nexus 7 with 1 bad pixel, considering for RMA...
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one bad pixel most likely doesn't turn your device into a faulty one. i am not sure how they deal with that problem, however my experience on other devices were, that they will replace the device only if it had like 7+ dead pixels.
just throwing in my 2 cents.
Wilks3y said:
I've seen so much of this about, what a terrible method of a returns process, charging you for another device because the device you bought is broke?
What if it was a kid who'd saved all his pocket money to get the device, only for it to be broke, do they expect that kid to spend night and day doing paper rounds so he can buy a second, in order to return the first?
Sounds to me like this is their plan, and hope that alot of the customers do not complain and therefor they have sold that person two devices.
Very bad move of Google and totally destroying for their reputation in my opinion.
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In the end they will advertise with the most sold tablet just cause everyone had to buy another one for the exchange process on RMA
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UPDATE:
Okay, so step two in the RMA process has finally been completed. After seemingly forgetting the fact that I called the week before last to organise an RMA, I called Google again on Monday. The guy I dealt with was a bit less understanding of my language difficulties over the phone, but we got there in the end. I got the email with the cart link, and clicked this and 'paid' on Wednesday morning (even though they don't charge your card, it seems that they simply check that your card can cover the extra charge if need be). I actually used a debit and not a credit card, and the balance hasn't been touched at this point.
My new device just arrived! It seems they express-posted it to me, which is generous of them. Its another C8O, same as my 'old' tablet, and thus far doesn't have obvious left-side screen lift - But I will charge it up fully tonight, and see whether it occurs under heat. Meanwhile, I will unroot and lock the bootloader again on the old unit, just in case...
Fingers crossed for a lift-free Nexus 7 - but with all the other problems around, I am not holding my breath!
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Hope everything is fine.
I noticed my N7 had a faulty speaker yesterday and I brought it back to my retailer ( about 21 days passed after purchase ). I had my fingers crossed to get an immediate replacement there. But well they decided to send it to ASUS. So i am stuck with that. Guess it will take a few days longer that way. As the speaker problem is quite common, i am expecting a replacement. However now i am tablet free for the next 2 weeks i guess. Don't want to buy a new one just to cancel the deal within 14 days. Who knows, instead of returning the money, they'll just give me a gift card.
If anyone is interested, I'll update.
So - Long awaited update.
After two replacements with the same problem, they agreed to refund me once I had sent the tablets in and they were checked to ensure that they were not damaged (Of which they definitely weren't). I flashed both back to stock and relocked the bootloaders before I sent them in - They were as-new (aside from the sh*tty manufacturing problems).
The two replacement tablets were sent in on 30.10.2012. They confirmed that the tablets were received in The Netherlands on 31.10 via overnight express. I am still waiting for my refund, even though I was told it would take 'a maximum of 14 days once the tablets are received'. Its now been 42 days. The rep I have been dealing with tells me constantly that she has done all she can for me, and that she is waiting to hear back from another department. When I suggested that perhaps she should escalate the situation to a manager, she supplied me with a physical address where I could 'send my concerns'.
For a company laying claim to being the biggest internet company in the world, their customer service is nothing short of sh*t. I've experienced better customer service from Vodafone in the past - and that's saying something.
I have learned my lesson here - if you must buy Nexus products, buy them from a bricks and mortar store - NEVER BUY THEM DIRECT FROM GOOGLE.
So I ordered a silver HTC one. Got black. I know Amazon issue right. So I stuck it out until the end of the return widow. Because I didn't want to be with a phone over a color. So eventually I did the exchange. The new HTC one I got now has bleeding of the buttons backlight on the bottom right hand corner. Now Amazon does not want anything to do with the phone. So now I have no choice but to send it into HTC for a repair. I have to pay for shipping and be without a phone again for at least 2 weeks. Now the last time HTC has fixed something for me they forced me to buy a new phone! They had replaced the motherboard and did a "IMEI transfer" and the IMEI could never be activated. HTC said it wasn't in sprint database. Sprint said the phone was broken. Both of them didn't want anything to do with me. So although I know Im not getting a new mother board, I'm scared of sending this in. Not only that I don't want to pay for shipping and be without a phone. Just a little rant I guess. So I don't know what i'm going to do.
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So I ordered a silver HTC one. Got black. I know Amazon issue right. So I stuck it out until the end of the return widow. Because I didn't want to be with a phone over a color. So eventually I did the exchange. The new HTC one I got now has bleeding of the buttons backlight on the bottom right hand corner. Now Amazon does not want anything to do with the phone. So now I have no choice but to send it into HTC for a repair. I have to pay for shipping and be without a phone again for at least 2 weeks. Now the last time HTC has fixed something for me they forced me to buy a new phone! They had replaced the motherboard and did a "IMEI transfer" and the IMEI could never be activated. HTC said it wasn't in sprint database. Sprint said the phone was broken. Both of them didn't want anything to do with me. So although I know Im not getting a new mother board, I'm scared of sending this in. Not only that I don't want to pay for shipping and be without a phone. Just a little rant I guess. So I don't know what i'm going to do.
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Don't send it in unless it is a major problem. I would have just stuck with the black that was fine except the color. When you exchange you never know what you might get. I don't know how bad the led bleed is, but ones I've seen are not so bad I would ever return one.
Good luck.
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Don't send it in unless it is a major problem. I would have just stuck with the black that was fine except the color. When you exchange you never know what you might get. I don't know how bad the led bleed is, but ones I've seen are not so bad I would ever return one.
Good luck.
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Thanks
Yeah, I might wait a while. For how small it is. It's very annoying watching videos in darkness. I got to say though silver is much better than black. I had fingerprints all over the back. Like my evo lte :/ . Maybe when I go on vacation and activate my Note. I'll send it in though, only if they pay for shipping.
My screen bleeds, there are a bunch of white dots when the screen is on but black, I thought it was going to bother me a lot and wanted to exchange, but didn't, you'll probably get over it too, so don't sent it lol
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Don't send it in unless it is a major problem. I would have just stuck with the black that was fine except the color. When you exchange you never know what you might get. I don't know how bad the led bleed is, but ones I've seen are not so bad I would ever return one.
Good luck.
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You must not be American. /jk
If you PAID money for your device, you are ENTITLED to a perfectly functioning, as advertised product. If HTC screws up, they will pay for shipping until they get it right (except the first time). So keep at it. Plus, why would you buy from amazon? The HTC website has it for a similar price, I'm sure.
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My phone has a bad screen/buttons/light, and it came this way, and no one will help me, so I have to go through HTC, which is not fun or cheap, or right.
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Call sprint corporate number. Say that your local store is not treating you to the proper standards that you, as a Sprint customer expect and deserve. Let them know that you are paying insurance for the device, but that you have not broken nor damaged any part of the phone, that this is how the phone has come, and that many other users have had the SAME problems you are facing, and they have been treated with respect and diligence. Sprint is top-notch at customer support, but sometimes local stores are assholes. One 19 year old kid (no offense to 19 y/os) thought he could treat me like **** cuz his name tag said 'manager'. He said since my phone was rooted he could not and would not assist me with an Evo 4G LTE hardware issue. I kindly informed him that Sprint corporate policy dictates that a rooted phone must be treated as any other phone. It will also be subject to a stock software 'update'. He said: "I am the manager, and I don't want my store helping people that root their phones". Called corporate on his rude ass, where they linked me to said policy, so I could print it. I went the next day, with key parts highlighted for him... He thanked me [sarcastically] for my phone call, and said he now had to deal with his write-up. Oh and he handed me a new phone which was shipped next-day for me
Long story short, Sprint takes care of their customers... But there is always one guy or another that just wants to be an ass. Speak with someone at corporate, maybe ask for a supervisor when you they answer. Let them know that you are being wronged. You will be helped. Oh and don't forget to say you wanted silver.
My HTC One is clean, beautiful, and 0 flaws, no light leakage, no recessed buttons, no screen popping out. But fortunately this was just luck; it's my first One
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You must not be American. /jk
If you PAID money for your device, you are ENTITLED to a perfectly functioning, as advertised product. If HTC screws up, they will pay for shipping until they get it right (except the first time). So keep at it. Plus, why would you buy from amazon? The HTC website has it for a similar price, I'm sure.
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It was 150 at the time.
Tilde88 said:
Call sprint corporate number. Say that your local store is not treating you to the proper standards that you, as a Sprint customer expect and deserve. Let them know that you are paying insurance for the device, but that you have not broken nor damaged any part of the phone, that this is how the phone has come, and that many other users have had the SAME problems you are facing, and they have been treated with respect and diligence. Sprint is top-notch at customer support, but sometimes local stores are assholes. One 19 year old kid (no offense to 19 y/os) thought he could treat me like **** cuz his name tag said 'manager'. He said since my phone was rooted he could not and would not assist me with an Evo 4G LTE hardware issue. I kindly informed him that Sprint corporate policy dictates that a rooted phone must be treated as any other phone. It will also be subject to a stock software 'update'. He said: "I am the manager, and I don't want my store helping people that root their phones". Called corporate on his rude ass, where they linked me to said policy, so I could print it. I went the next day, with key parts highlighted for him... He thanked me [sarcastically] for my phone call, and said he now had to deal with his write-up. Oh and he handed me a new phone which was shipped next-day for me
Long story short, Sprint takes care of their customers... But there is always one guy or another that just wants to be an ass. Speak with someone at corporate, maybe ask for a supervisor when you they answer. Let them know that you are being wronged. You will be helped. Oh and don't forget to say you wanted silver.
My HTC One is clean, beautiful, and 0 flaws, no light leakage, no recessed buttons, no screen popping out. But fortunately this was just luck; it's my first One
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Well I think I made progress They said they are "escalating" it. It wasn't fun or easy. But they are much nicer.
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Well I think I made progress They said they are "escalating" it. It wasn't fun or easy. But they are much nicer.
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Good luck! No one should have to suffer through build quality issues. Point period.
@Dogie52
So what was the outcome?
Thisis why I won't order my phone's through a third party online. I will order online but only from places I can physically return them to like sprint online or bestbuy online. Most times my phone's r fine but if I do have a problem I don't want to go through the waiting process.
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@Dogie52
So what was the outcome?
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I couldn't thank you enough man. Sprint corporate was very nice they out of question sent me a HTC one. Thanks again! Oh and sorry for a long wait im in the process of moving and im without a computer
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I couldn't thank you enough man. Sprint corporate was very nice they out of question sent me a HTC one. Thanks again! Oh and sorry for a long wait im in the process of moving and im without a computer
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glad it got sorted out. I love Sprint
I called Verizon as I am having GPS issues. I was going to get a cert like new and while I wait, restore and send back non-working unit. When I called, the woman said she was going to run some diagnostics on her end (new to me) and said that she can detect that the software had been altered. She recommended that I reset the phone because if she put this through and it was rooted, I would be charged.
Are they able to tell your phone is rooted from their system without having it? Were they always able to do that?
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I called Verizon as I am having GPS issues. I was going to get a cert like new and while I wait, restore and send back non-working unit. When I called, the woman said she was going to run some diagnostics on her end (new to me) and said that she can detect that the software had been altered. She recommended that I reset the phone because if she put this through and it was rooted, I would be charged.
Are they able to tell your phone is rooted from their system without having it? Were they always able to do that?
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It wouldn't surprise me, but I can't imagine technology is that advanced, considering they are basically violating your privacy with a tool such as the one described. They could basically "tap" into your phone firmware/software whenever they want, and grab whatever information they want. I couldn't imagine, while possible, they would actually do it.
That said, you need to deal directly with LG. Verizon, along with many other carriers, will void your warranty at the flip of a dime because it's more income for them. I was an LG certified technician from 2005-2010, and while a technician, we did not void warranties for rooting unless we found evidence the firmware/software change interrupted the hardware, such as overclocking.
Once again, deal with LG directly. Verizon will snub you whenever they get the chance. Also, did I mention that most representatives have no idea what the hell they're talking about in the first place?
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It wouldn't surprise me, but I can't imagine technology is that advanced, considering they are basically violating your privacy with a tool such as the one described. They could basically "tap" into your phone firmware/software whenever they want, and grab whatever information they want. I couldn't imagine, while possible, they would actually do it.
That said, you need to deal directly with LG. Verizon, along with many other carriers, will void your warranty at the flip of a dime because it's more income for them. I was an LG certified technician from 2005-2010, and while a technician, we did not void warranties for rooting unless we found evidence the firmware/software change interrupted the hardware, such as overclocking.
Once again, deal with LG directly. Verizon will snub you whenever they get the chance. Also, did I mention that most representatives have no idea what the hell they're talking about in the first place?
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She definitely str8 up said "it looks like your phone has been rooted" after she did her "diagnostics" when calling *611. SO... the tool exists.
The problem I have with sending it to LG for fixing is that I have to pay for shipping it, wait a week or two without a phone while they fix it, etc. With VZW, I can restore to stock and then get a phone immediatley.
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The problem I have with sending it to LG for fixing is that I have to pay for shipping it, wait a week or two without a phone while they fix it, etc. With VZW, I can restore to stock and then get a phone immediatley.
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Well, that's your option. Did you restore it? Whether the representative can "detect" root or not, when they see a completely stock phone in retail, they'll probably replace it.
That said, you've got me curious as to whether Verizon can actually detect root over the phone. The research has started. . .
Edit: After about five minutes, it's apparently possible via a Verizon Remote Diagnostics app that they send out with updates. I definitely don't agree with it, and I'm glad I can say that with custom ROM's, that garbage is removed.
http://phandroid.com/2012/03/20/droid-charge-fp1-update-brings-verizon-remote-diagnostics-bug-fixes/
Verizon knows at all times what software your running. I used to work as tech support for VZW. Than can also see how many apps u got, how much memory u used, etc. Its an invasion of of privacy. But what can we do?
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Verizon knows at all times what software your running. I used to work as tech support for VZW. Than can also see how many apps u got, how much memory u used, etc. Its an invasion of of privacy. But what can we do?
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Yeah, she said to me over the phone, after saying she was going to run diagnostics... "you've got 40% memory available, etc etc."
I am running a custom rom though. I'm using Xdabbeb's 24A. Could that tool not been removed or hidden?
Just turn off radios when calling. Then say, "I don't know whats wrong... I have 4 bars of 4G"
Need a replacement for my Moto X. Called them up and the guy could tell my phone was rooted but said he would ship out regardless. 5 days later no confirmation of it being shipped and it hadn't arrived so I gave them a call. It said your certified replacement device has been denied because you are rooted.
So I wonder if the steps to get a phone replaced would be to return to unrooted stock, then contact customer service? Or do they keep track of everything we do from the second we turn it on?
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So I wonder if the steps to get a phone replaced would be to return to unrooted stock, then contact customer service? Or do they keep track of everything we do from the second we turn it on?
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I'm now curious of the same question. I seriously can't believe they can see all that, even with a custom ROM. I mean, since this has been confirmed, couldn't this be a lawsuit of some sort? Am I the only person feeling this way? It's a blatant invasion of privacy.
It really is @UrbanBounca, but they'd probably tell you it's hidden in the agreement we all signed or the classic "don't like it, don't use our service". Only the big boys can get away with these kind of shenanigans.
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I bought my phone outright for 399 or 499, I forget. I have a month to month contract on the UDP plan. Its my frigging phone. I'll do what I want with it. I understand when I root, I loose the warranty. I understand that if I'm tethering, I could get my wrist slapped.
Why call VZW for anything?
If your worried, don't root. If not, suck it up buttercups!!
I went thru the same thing with my Dodge Truck. I came to the conclusion that I am my own warranty station, plain and simple.
If your gonna do stuff to YOUR possessions, that might void a warranty, its not the manufactures fault, its yours, but YOU have the choice.
Of course VZW can see you phone, then they give all that info to the NSA for tax breaks
After a bit more research, I've found that they can only run diagnostics if (a) you're on ICS or above and (b) you have the MyVerizon app installed.
I don't have the MyVerizon app, and after hearing this, I won't be installing it.
Why would anyone use MyVerizon? It is certainly not NEEDED for anything productive.
Thanks Devs, from my LG G2
It'd definitely the my Verizon app. Even if you block superuser access to it they can still detect it. The customer service reps also make you install it when going through the process. I'm leaving Verizon next month after my last line is free from contract. 3 lines with unlimited data going up on eBay.
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Verizon's Remote Diagnostics allows them to remotely control your device to fix things. I used to do this all the time. Usually its somebody that doesn't have a clue how to use android. So, I'd ask for permission, they'd get a pop up to put in a pin number I've give them, and i'd have total control of their phone, even view some fun stuff in their galleries!!! LOL Sometimes it was the only way to fix a problem than have granny go to a local verizon store.
....But before we even get permission to control a person's phone, on Verizon's side of things the Diagnostic tool lists everything about the phone. It doesn't matter what rom you have, it will show up. Anything in Settings they can mostly see.
If you want to avoid problems, best bet it to do a full stock restore, and run your phone for a few minutes before you call so their systems can see your full stock and not rooted.
Some Verizon Tech Reps are very anal, and will give you a hard time for anything, like if they are on a mission to discredit anybody that calls. Others, like I was mostly took your word for your problem. If I could fix it, I would, or I just send a replacement. I could care less if your rooted. I'd send anybody a phone. 80% of the time its a snobby business man, making $500k a year, mad as hell his phone freezes or his battery drains fast, and demands a replacement. I never argued with these kind of people, as they made the big bucks and I only made $40k a year. I even told one guy I didn't get paid enough to argue with him, and I'll send him a replacement no problem. lol
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Verizon's Remote Diagnostics allows them to remotely control your device to fix things. I used to do this all the time. Usually its somebody that doesn't have a clue how to use android. So, I'd ask for permission, they'd get a pop up to put in a pin number I've give them, and i'd have total control of their phone, even view some fun stuff in their galleries!!! LOL Sometimes it was the only way to fix a problem than have granny go to a local verizon store.
....But before we even get permission to control a person's phone, on Verizon's side of things the Diagnostic tool lists everything about the phone. It doesn't matter what rom you have, it will show up. Anything in Settings they can mostly see.
If you want to avoid problems, best bet it to do a full stock restore, and run your phone for a few minutes before you call so their systems can see your full stock and not rooted.
Some Verizon Tech Reps are very anal, and will give you a hard time for anything, like if they are on a mission to discredit anybody that calls. Others, like I was mostly took your word for your problem. If I could fix it, I would, or I just send a replacement. I could care less if your rooted. I'd send anybody a phone. 80% of the time its a snobby business man, making $500k a year, mad as hell his phone freezes or his battery drains fast, and demands a replacement. I never argued with these kind of people, as they made the big bucks and I only made $40k a year. I even told one guy I didn't get paid enough to argue with him, and I'll send him a replacement no problem. lol
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The women I got kept saying to do a "factory reset" because if she put in the order for a CLNR that I would be charged if I was rooted. After I got off the call, I got the impression she was telling me to unroot my phone, restore to stock and then call back to place the order.
I had a custom rom, but it was stock based. I believe I did have the MyVerizon app on there.
I just rooted my 24A G2 and the moment I rebooted, I got a notification popup saying 'You have modified the system software' or something like that. So it is phoning home (no pun intended) and tripping a flag somewhere. I'm sure no one is looking at it unless you call, so before you call, flash back to 100% stock.
UrbanBounca said:
I'm now curious of the same question. I seriously can't believe they can see all that, even with a custom ROM. I mean, since this has been confirmed, couldn't this be a lawsuit of some sort? Am I the only person feeling this way? It's a blatant invasion of privacy.
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It's not an invasion of privacy. They are protecting themselves from all of the warranty fraud that happens when people who complain about their phones try to return them under warranty.
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When it comes to having to get a new phone, Verizon will not give you one if you have altered the phone. However, let's say your headphone jack stopped working and you need to send it in to get it repaired. They HAVE to fix your phone, regardless if it's rooted or not. Why? Because the only way they can't do warranty repairs with your phone being rooted, is because they HAVE to prove that rooting directly caused the issue with the phone. This is per the Magnusson-Moss Act Chapter 50 of United States Code Section 2304, which states:
Waiver of standards
The performance of the duties under subsection (a) of this section shall not be required of the warrantor if he can show that the defect, malfunction, or failure of any warranted consumer product to conform with a written warranty, was caused by damage (not resulting from defect or malfunction) while in the possession of the consumer, or unreasonable use (including failure to provide reasonable and necessary maintenance). (d) Remedy without charge For purposes of this section and of section 2302© of this
title, the term "without charge" means that the warrantor may not assess the consumer for any costs the warrantor or his representatives incur in connection with the required remedy of a warranted consumer product. An obligation under subsection (a)(1)(A) of this section to remedy without charge does not necessarily require the warrantor to compensate the consumer for incidental expenses; however, if any incidental expenses are incurred because the remedy is not made within a reasonable time or
because the warrantor imposed an unreasonable duty upon the consumer as a condition of securing remedy, then the consumer shall be entitled to recover reasonable incidental expenses which are so incurred in any action against the warrantor.
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So how does that mean my warranty isn't voided? If you go out and buy a brand new G2, you root it and have no issues. No problems. Then a 6 weeks later, you plug in your headphones and all of a sudden, no sound is coming out of your head phones. Or the sound coming out of your speaker is crackling. Or your SIM/SD card door breaks off. Just because you rooted your phone, LG still has to honor the 1 year warranty pertaining to THOSE problems. They will STILL have to fix your headphone jack, THEY STILL have to install a new speaker and STILL have to give you a new SIM/SD card door.
Reference;
http://www.droidrzr.com/index.php/t...-users-may-have-about-rooting-and-warranties/
I have had the LG G2 for a year now and I am experiencing issues with coverage. I am dropping calls or just not receiving them at all lately. I had verizon open a case about this last week which they promptly forgot to handle. Today I called back and asked for the results of the claim and was told that Verizons tech believed the issue was my phone, not the network.
I was then told I needed to have my phone replaced and the replacement would be out of warranty. Essentially..If it happens again, it's solely my problem. Being that this was a horrible offer I declined and stated I would want at least 6 months worth of warranty to cover the device for THIS issue alone. I was told a supervisor would call me and later she did. She refused a 6 month guarantee (on this issue alone) and asked me if I would be interested in resolving my issue by joining their edge program.
YEP! They suggested I essentially pay full retail for a phone to ensure this did not happen again. "Try another phone! It's an issue with the G2!", they said.
I don't want to be long winded, so here is some of the chat I had today. This is the 4th person I spoke to.
Cody: Thus far my option have been - Receive another LG G2 and hope it does not have the same issue (which would be fine if you all would allow me a warranty insuring a replacement if it did) or pay full retail for another device through Edge. Those are not great options.
Eliza: Thank you for that information! Please allow me a moment to access your account.
Eliza: I have an option for you, but it will require you to pay full price. Are you familiar with our device payment plan?
Cody: I'm being offered to pay full price to replace a device that Verizon acknowledges is faulty...
Eliza: This is similar to our Edge program, in that you will make the payments over a set amount of months. The Device Payment Plan allows those payments to be made over 12 months. Would that interest you?
Cody: I am not paying full price to correct an issue that Verizon has determined is not my fault.
Eliza: I understand. The only other option in this case would be the Certified Like New Replacement. I am sorry I don't have a more suitable option for you at this time.
Cody: Can you offer me a guarantee that the device will be replaced again if I have this same issue?
Eliza: No, I cannot. I can however assure you that this issue is not common with your device.
Cody: You're telling me "Hey, we understand that this isn't your fault, but you are still somehow fully responsible for the solution. You may have a phone that is possibly going to do the same thing..OR you can pay full retail for one"
Eliza: I apologize that we were unable to find a solution for you today. I will document your account with what we have discussed and gone over. Can I answer any other questions for you today?
Anyone else dealt with anything like this? I have loved this phone, but this is ridiculous. I cannot make or receive calls about 20% of the time & my G/F will be right next to me having no issues with her phone (iPhone, Verizon).
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I have had the LG G2 for a year now and I am experiencing issues with coverage. I am dropping calls or just not receiving them at all lately. I had verizon open a case about this last week which they promptly forgot to handle. Today I called back and asked for the results of the claim and was told that Verizons tech believed the issue was my phone, not the network.
I was then told I needed to have my phone replaced and the replacement would be out of warranty. Essentially..If it happens again, it's solely my problem. Being that this was a horrible offer I declined and stated I would want at least 6 months worth of warranty to cover the device for THIS issue alone. I was told a supervisor would call me and later she did. She refused a 6 month guarantee (on this issue alone) and asked me if I would be interested in resolving my issue by joining their edge program.
YEP! They suggested I essentially pay full retail for a phone to ensure this did not happen again. "Try another phone! It's an issue with the G2!", they said.
I don't want to be long winded, so here is some of the chat I had today. This is the 4th person I spoke to.
Cody: Thus far my option have been - Receive another LG G2 and hope it does not have the same issue (which would be fine if you all would allow me a warranty insuring a replacement if it did) or pay full retail for another device through Edge. Those are not great options.
Eliza: Thank you for that information! Please allow me a moment to access your account.
Eliza: I have an option for you, but it will require you to pay full price. Are you familiar with our device payment plan?
Cody: I'm being offered to pay full price to replace a device that Verizon acknowledges is faulty...
Eliza: This is similar to our Edge program, in that you will make the payments over a set amount of months. The Device Payment Plan allows those payments to be made over 12 months. Would that interest you?
Cody: I am not paying full price to correct an issue that Verizon has determined is not my fault.
Eliza: I understand. The only other option in this case would be the Certified Like New Replacement. I am sorry I don't have a more suitable option for you at this time.
Cody: Can you offer me a guarantee that the device will be replaced again if I have this same issue?
Eliza: No, I cannot. I can however assure you that this issue is not common with your device.
Cody: You're telling me "Hey, we understand that this isn't your fault, but you are still somehow fully responsible for the solution. You may have a phone that is possibly going to do the same thing..OR you can pay full retail for one"
Eliza: I apologize that we were unable to find a solution for you today. I will document your account with what we have discussed and gone over. Can I answer any other questions for you today?
Anyone else dealt with anything like this? I have loved this phone, but this is ridiculous. I cannot make or receive calls about 20% of the time & my G/F will be right next to me having no issues with her phone (iPhone, Verizon).
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My suggestion just have them send you a replacement chances are it wont have that issue. If it does you can cross that bridge when you get there but if it does solve your issue which I am certain it will. No need to truly worry about the what if at this point just have them send you a replacement and then deal with it if the issue still exists.
Steamer86 said:
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You're suggesting that a thread in the general forum which discusses an issue I'm having with the device and service provider, which also asks other users if they have suffered the same issue, be deleted?
How about you delete the stick from your @$$, buddy.
Jweimn said:
My suggestion just have them send you a replacement chances are it wont have that issue. If it does you can cross that bridge when you get there but if it does solve your issue which I am certain it will. No need to truly worry about the what if at this point just have them send you a replacement and then deal with it if the issue still exists.
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I'm thinking that is my best/only course of action. Thanks for your input!
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I'm thinking that is my best/only course of action. Thanks for your input!
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No problem. I do believe the phone they'll said you will at least be warrantied by LG so if something is wrong you can go that route maybe. I may be wrong though but I'm almost certain a manufacturers warranty is in place even for replacement phones
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No problem. I do believe the phone they'll said you will at least be warrantied by LG so if something is wrong you can go that route maybe. I may be wrong though but I'm almost certain a manufacturers warranty is in place even for replacement phones
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Thanks again, brother. I'll do some digging on the warrenty from LG. I love the device, just need to know the calls I should be getting are coming through!
cmhphotog said:
Thanks again, brother. I'll do some digging on the warrenty from LG. I love the device, just need to know the calls I should be getting are coming through!
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You're welcome. Can't blame you though Its definitely a very important part of The phone that's for sure.
cmhphotog said:
You're suggesting that a thread in the general forum which discusses an issue I'm having with the device and service provider, which also asks other users if they have suffered the same issue, be deleted?
How about you delete the stick from your @$$, buddy.
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I couldn't delete my own post. That's what that is there for. Pull the log out of yours.
I work for VZW support. Our warranty under the certified like new program ends at the end of your original 1 year period or 90 days, whichever falls later. If you get a replacement sent on day 364, you are covered until day 454.
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This promotion ended.
Lease and easy pay only? That's stupid.
They no longer offer a two year. Anyone on a new plan that two years gets a subsidised phone charge.
RevChappy said:
I'll make this post pretty short. Sprint is giving people early upgrade for those with the LGG4 in IB agreements.
See the attachment.
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Thank you so much! Forgive me, but I do not know all of the jargon/ acronyms used in that post.
we have two lines on a family plan that have g4s (1 yr left, phone purchased from amazon, and just got them back from LG warranty repair), can we just walk in and ask for an early upgrade (and will the employee know what we are talking about or do we need to direct them to look up some sort of memo)?
Also, would we get to keep our phones or do we have to trade them in?
Thank you so much! Until I saw this we were thinking about having t mobile buy us out...
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Thank you so much! Forgive me, but I do not know all of the jargon/ acronyms used in that post.
we have two lines on a family plan that have g4s (1 yr left, phone purchased from amazon, and just got them back from LG warranty repair), can we just walk in and ask for an early upgrade (and will the employee know what we are talking about or do we need to direct them to look up some sort of memo)?
Also, would we get to keep our phones or do we have to trade them in?
Thank you so much! Until I saw this we were thinking about having t mobile buy us out...
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You would need to go on, or call and see if you have the offer on your account for it. I have yet to see the offer personally, so I can't give you a ton of details.
RevChappy said:
You would need to go on, or call and see if you have the offer on your account for it. I have yet to see the offer personally, so I can't give you a ton of details.
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Thanks for the quick reply. I'll check it out. It seems weird that some customers would get the offer and others would not... thanks again though!
Is there a date on this? I was told it expired via the Sprint reddit.
I was in there today, and they said that the offer has expired. But they also said they are re-working the offer, and it may be coming back. I'll keep you guys updated!
Is sprint telling people that the phone has a defect on the phone
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Just got a call from my local Sprint store today wanting me to come in and receive an upgrade from my LG G4 to a new phone. First, Sprint never calls me. Second, I shouldn't be eligible for an upgrade yet. And finally, I didn't even purchase the phone from the local Sprint store, I got it from Best buy. Anyone else get a call like this?
I'm in the same scenario - 2 Sprint G4's with 1 year left on a 2 Yr Agreement. Haven't heard anything from Sprint. My phone bootlooped and was handled by LG Warranty about 4 months ago. Other line still somehow hasn't perished yet, so his is SOL if his phone bootloops (cause LG warranty is over by August 1st - possibly mine too, I don't know if the warranty extends if your phone bootloops and gets replaced or not, can't remember). We got our phones through Best Buy as well. Nothing yet hear.
I would love to hear about some kind of early termination option tbh because I wanna get a S7E. Not going to LG ever again after this phone. Had everything I wanted but it's just been kind of a letdown. At least LG's warranty repair service was fast (at least for me).
KillerDisturbed said:
I'm in the same scenario - 2 Sprint G4's with 1 year left on a 2 Yr Agreement. Haven't heard anything from Sprint. My phone bootlooped and was handled by LG Warranty about 4 months ago. Other line still somehow hasn't perished yet, so his is SOL if his phone bootloops (cause LG warranty is over by August 1st - possibly mine too, I don't know if the warranty extends if your phone bootloops and gets replaced or not, can't remember). We got our phones through Best Buy as well. Nothing yet hear.
I would love to hear about some kind of early termination option tbh because I wanna get a S7E. Not going to LG ever again after this phone. Had everything I wanted but it's just been kind of a letdown. At least LG's warranty repair service was fast (at least for me).
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It's a known issue, so even with out insurance they have to replace it for you.
stcloud99 said:
Just got a call from my local Sprint store today wanting me to come in and receive an upgrade from my LG G4 to a new phone. First, Sprint never calls me. Second, I shouldn't be eligible for an upgrade yet. And finally, I didn't even purchase the phone from the local Sprint store, I got it from Best buy. Anyone else get a call like this?
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I believe anyone who had the device replaced by the defect easy getting targeted for the offer.
Don't you like how if your phone has the known issue, but you don't know about it or forget to get it replaced before the end of your term, you have to pay a damage fee for the known defect?
just got off the chat with sprint, it is still available if you are
"Yes, that is correct. Normally, it will only be hotter than normal if being used while charging. But since you mentioned that you are just using it as normal and not when charging, I highly suggest that the device will be physically checked by our dedicated Sprint store technicians. Yes, we currently offer advance exchange for the defective device via Repair or Warranty Exchange process, however, based on the offer, it only applies for LG G4 Device won't power on, power cycles, or freezes / fails to boot up."
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just got off the chat with sprint, it is still available if you are
"Yes, that is correct. Normally, it will only be hotter than normal if being used while charging. But since you mentioned that you are just using it as normal and not when charging, I highly suggest that the device will be physically checked by our dedicated Sprint store technicians. Yes, we currently offer advance exchange for the defective device via Repair or Warranty Exchange process, however, based on the offer, it only applies for LG G4 Device won't power on, power cycles, or freezes / fails to boot up."
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My device was already replaced last month due to the bootloop, would I still be eligible now?
Considering my device just bootlooped yesterday I intend to call Sprint about this because chat seems clueless, thanks for posting this.
would they let me simply terminate the lease and return the G4 phone without getting a new one? I want to cancel the line the lease is on.
I talked to Sprint and after talking to a couple reps they agreed to terminate the lease and let me upgrade to a different phone if I paid $100. It would usually take one business day but considering my phone is currently out of service they got it to 4 hours.
Unfortunately after a hour of talking, exchanges are only available. Lame. I even mentioned about our whole family has lg issues and we have been with you (sprint) over ten years and you cant or wouldnt contact us, but you can send me a stupid survey text everytime we call. Then i was told i could get the ugrade date reset for 100.00.