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Hello all-
I just got in my Diamond today and after working on it about an hour, I still can only get Edge (and very small reception and SSLLOOWW data). I currently have a tilt with a flashed ROM running 6.1 and got perfect 3G reception from it here at my desk. I use At&t here. Could the lack of the 850 band be my issue. Please give me some clues or point me to a tutorial to get everything set up to par for my Diamond. I've already searched this whole forum.
Thanks a lot!
Oh dear here we go again....if you had done a search you would have saved yourself so much hassle.
The Diamond you have wont support 3G on AT&T because its missing a £G attenna...even though your settings will show that it can support the band for AT&T 3G but in reality you CANNOT get 3G access with the Diamonds that are out at the moment.
Only way your going to be able to get 3G in America is by waiting for the proper American version of the phone...as to when its out...could be july/August.
Well...Thats the bad part of me that gets way too excited. I'm going to try to return it. I'm sure my fiance that im marrying in 3 weeks will love to hear the news of my lack of research. Thanks!
LOL its ok...its just been explained a few times on here that the Diamonds that are on the market arent really suitable for the American 3G market...your just gonna have to wait a bit for the American version.
For what i's worth - thanks for your time with a stupid question.
bzowk said:
For what i's worth - thanks for your time with a stupid question.
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No problems buddy, its ok...thats what we are here for...to help each other out.
Apologies if i was a bit abrupt in my first post...been a long day
no 3g
for what it is worth, i have the same issue with no 3g but i have edge and so far find it fine for what i need it for. For others, the added speed that you get may be worth it. I love my Diamond otherwise, despite the battery. I will however get the usa version when it comes out, mainly for reception purposes since i feel the lack of 850 band lessens the reception a little... But so far I love it. Btw i have the ME rom which is fast and smooth and have no issues so far other than i cant hide the SIM contacts even with the tweak.
hi all, I bought a TOB locked device which worked finme on TMOB, getting 3g and H all the time. i had to move to AT&T so I unlocked the device (thru TMOB) and got the appropriate service at AT&T. But my device only shows EDGE. Card shows 3g in an iphone so it isnt that. Anyone know why im only getting EDGE???
ekerbuddyeker said:
hi all, I bought a TOB locked device which worked finme on TMOB, getting 3g and H all the time. i had to move to AT&T so I unlocked the device (thru TMOB) and got the appropriate service at AT&T. But my device only shows EDGE. Card shows 3g in an iphone so it isnt that. Anyone know why im only getting EDGE???
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ATT and TMobile use different 3g bands so EDGE is all you will ever get. Same thing happens in reverse until there are phones that support both sets of bands (not likely).
well thats just GREAT!!
thanks. have to port to t-mob again!
JonnoB said:
ATT and TMobile use different 3g bands so EDGE is all you will ever get. Same thing happens in reverse until there are phones that support both sets of bands (not likely).
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To expand on what you said, they use different 3G bands AND the hardware that is able to talk to said bands is exclusive to both AT&T and T-Mobile TP2 phones. There is a physical hardware difference between the two, so upgrading to a different radio will not allow you use your T-Mobile TP2 on AT&T's 3G network, either.
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To expand on what you said, they use different 3G bands AND the hardware that is able to talk to said bands is exclusive to both AT&T and T-Mobile TP2 phones. There is a physical hardware difference between the two, so upgrading to a different radio will not allow you use your T-Mobile TP2 on AT&T's 3G network, either.
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In other words, do a bit more research on these phones before you jump ship on carriers!
biscuits1978 said:
In other words, do a bit more research on these phones before you jump ship on carriers!
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Aye. It's like with my wife. She has a G1 right now with T-Mobile. However, her friend has a MeToo (iPhone) with AT&T. Of course, she wants the iPhone now and told me that other day that she can get one that is already unlocked for use with other carriers. I had to explain to her that I would get her the iPhone if she wanted, but that she would NOT get 3G while on T-Mobile's network given the hardware constraints. She didn't say much after that.
Research is key. I see it every day in the NRG ROM thread. People see "Manila 2.5" and immediately grab that version. However, they fail to research and don't realize that Manila 2.5 is still in its beta form from HTC. They ask why certain functions don't work...they even seem surprised when they don't work. When explained to them that it is still in beta form, they quickly go back to lurking.
ruinertt said:
Aye. It's like with my wife. She has a G1 right now with T-Mobile. However, her friend has a MeToo (iPhone) with AT&T. Of course, she wants the iPhone now and told me that other day that she can get one that is already unlocked for use with other carriers. I had to explain to her that I would get her the iPhone if she wanted, but that she would NOT get 3G while on T-Mobile's network given the hardware constraints. She didn't say much after that.
Research is key. I see it every day in the NRG ROM thread. People see "Manila 2.5" and immediately grab that version. However, they fail to research and don't realize that Manila 2.5 is still in its beta form from HTC. They ask why certain functions don't work...they even seem surprised when they don't work. When explained to them that it is still in beta form, they quickly go back to lurking.
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Yup I do agree some research is always good! But TP2 is worth it without 3G... I dont loose much by loosing 3G compatibility.
ai6908 said:
Yup I do agree some research is always good! But TP2 is worth it without 3G... I dont loose much by loosing 3G compatibility.
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ditto on that, where I live we don't get stable 3g and when we do I don't notice any speed advantages. When I drive to atlanta where they have a stable 3G I only noticed that google maps DIDN"T like to even connect at 3G. And I wasn't really using anything else while there, I actually disabled the stupid 3G radio on my pantech just so I could use google maps. Sooo... never really had it anyway and got tired of waiting for ATT to drop their TP2 or even the TD2. bought a TM TP2 and I've been in heaven ever since. Phooey 3G... who needs ya? I got WiFi and edge is fine for whatever else I need on the road.
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Yup I do agree some research is always good! But TP2 is worth it without 3G... I dont loose much by loosing 3G compatibility.
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I agree! I followed you here from kaiser! I love my tmobile tp2 on ATT... no need for 3g Shall u be cooking an amazing rhodium rom anytime soon????
conceptcar3 said:
I agree! I followed you here from kaiser! I love my tmobile tp2 on ATT... no need for 3g Shall u be cooking an amazing rhodium rom anytime soon????
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Hey guy! Good to see you here....I just started cooking my own ROM's, not sure if I will release them though!
Yea 3G will be nice, but not a necessity! LOL
thanks to all of you for making me feel so good. its no issue to return to tmob just time!!
i've been with tmobile forever and this is my first taste of 3g, and i gotta say, i was much more excited about it than actually having it. i get 3g in my area and it makes nearly no difference in what i do with opera mini.
espn will load a hair faster and i finally get a good slingbox stream, but other than that, i wouldn't die if i had to go back to edge
bravo261 said:
i've been with tmobile forever and this is my first taste of 3g, and i gotta say, i was much more excited about it than actually having it. i get 3g in my area and it makes nearly no difference in what i do with opera mini.
espn will load a hair faster and i finally get a good slingbox stream, but other than that, i wouldn't die if i had to go back to edge
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You will see a MUCH bigger difference when you aren't using a browser that compresses the data before it gets to your phone.
Opera mini does just that. Thus, you won't see much of a difference between Edge and 3G. Skyfire also does it as well, I believe.
When you start downloading "raw" data, though, you will really see the difference in speed.
I'm sure this question has been asked before, and I'm expecting the "use search"flame but, I'm on my hd2 over edge at god awful speeds...anyways...
I've had it with this phone, it's terrible. I've had it since launch day, and I'd hoped I would get used to it by now..not the case. before I got this phone I was considering the n1, until I found out it was only upgradeable for individuals. My question is, if I buy an n1 outright, will I be able to get my sim card and put it in and it work?I have a family plan with unlimited data. (T-mobile obviously)
Yes, you can just pop in your exist T-Mobile SIM card and it will work.
Rock on, thanks man.
To add... when I was signing up for my account (I bought the phone outright) I asked what plan options are available. They said I could even use a prepaid SIM in it, they didn't care. Obviously the prepaid would be cheaper depending on how much I use, but you have to keep an eye on it.
From the 3 different TMo reps I talked to, they said your plan is tied to the SIM card, what phone you put that SIM card into, doesn't matter. That's what I was told, hope it's right and hope that helps.
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To add... when I was signing up for my account (I bought the phone outright) I asked what plan options are available. They said I could even use a prepaid SIM in it, they didn't care. Obviously the prepaid would be cheaper depending on how much I use, but you have to keep an eye on it.
From the 3 different TMo reps I talked to, they said your plan is tied to the SIM card, what phone you put that SIM card into, doesn't matter. That's what I was told, hope it's right and hope that helps.
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100% correct. I bought the N1 with ATT 3G bands and just slammed my SIM card in it and away I went
Sweet, since I'm here and got more responses than I thought...from the general consensus, what are the biggest "faults"of the n1?
anything like buggy sms, outdated OS, freeze issues, lockups, <24 battery life it anything like that?
Also this if more a personal preference but, I've had tmobile for 3 years now, but I'm really starting to get irked at the lack of 3g and better technology, would it be worth it to break contract and switch to at&t? I just renewed for another 2 years with tmo so I think it's like 175 it something for early cancellation.
Susasama said:
Sweet, since I'm here and got more responses than I thought...from the general consensus, what are the biggest "faults"of the n1?
anything like buggy sms, outdated OS, freeze issues, lockups, <24 battery life it anything like that?
Also this if more a personal preference but, I've had tmobile for 3 years now, but I'm really starting to get irked at the lack of 3g and better technology, would it be worth it to break contract and switch to at&t? I just renewed for another 2 years with tmo so I think it's like 175 it something for early cancellation.
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nothing so serious as any of those things, the common issues is 3g connectivity being spotty (but they have fixed this for the most part) and touch sensitivity bugs (nothing I've experienced). Tmobile is currently adding 3.5g all around america http://t-mobile-coverage.t-mobile.com/coverage# see the ling in middle of page to see cities with it and what is comming.
Susasama said:
Sweet, since I'm here and got more responses than I thought...from the general consensus, what are the biggest "faults"of the n1?
anything like buggy sms, outdated OS, freeze issues, lockups, <24 battery life it anything like that?
Also this if more a personal preference but, I've had tmobile for 3 years now, but I'm really starting to get irked at the lack of 3g and better technology, would it be worth it to break contract and switch to at&t? I just renewed for another 2 years with tmo so I think it's like 175 it something for early cancellation.
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Poor Exchange support so if you want this thing to play nice with a work account good luck.
But other than that, there are no show stopper bugs/defects. For the most part the Nexus One with 2.1 is a solid consumer smartphone and there won't be any worry about outdated OS since Google will push out updates to the N1 first and if you're too impatient for them to push it to you, you can always find it here.
About the 3G issues, you may want to check this post which explains how T-Mobile shows their data speeds and check AT&T's coverage map for your area to see how they compare.
I would absolutely not go to AT&T from T-mobile. You're much better off on that side of the road, bro.
MaximReapage said:
I would absolutely not go to AT&T from T-mobile. You're much better off on that side of the road, bro.
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2nd.coverage may be good but service is terrible.dropped calls and privacy breeches as well
Ok, so the other day I visited an AT&T store, and while I was there I got talking with one of the reps there. We were talking about flashing different ROMS and such, when he showed me his phone. He was running a custom rom that he cooked up in the romkitchen. He then showed me his speedtest.net scores and they were off the charts! He was getting something like 9 Mbps down, and 30 Mbps upload speed! He tried to explain to me how he had done this, off the record of course, but I haven't been able to figure it out! If there is anyone out there who can help out an aspiring noob, I would really appreciate it!
its called HSPA (aka HSPUA and HSPDA for upload and download)
They probably also have a signal repeater or a microcell in the store too increase performance
yeah tricky a-holes... "see how good att reception is? ..... (in our store) "
Interesting, so I guess to simplify, captivate is still unable to access what AT&T calls "4G"? Also how would one know if they were accessing HSPA?
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Interesting, so I guess to simplify, captivate is still unable to access what AT&T calls "4G"? Also how would one know if they were accessing HSPA?
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The captivate us capable of hspa it just needs to be flashed to a different modem.bin that supports it
The signal icon at the top will say H instead of 3g.
As for 4g that will never work.
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Interesting, so I guess to simplify, captivate is still unable to access what AT&T calls "4G"? Also how would one know if they were accessing HSPA?
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where your 3G signal is it will have an H instead of 3G
TRusselo said:
yeah tricky a-holes... "see how good att reception is? ..... (in our store) "
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How much experience do you have with at&t as a provider? Or are you just regurgitating what you have read. Every carrier has their issues but you seem to have some deep seeded hatred for at&t.
@op, the captivate will connect to hsdpa just fine but the speeds the rep was getting are not possible.
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How much experience do you have with at&t as a provider? Or are you just regurgitating what you have read. Every carrier has their issues but you seem to have some deep seeded hatred for at&t.
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most people do. one of the things im starting to have a problem is is with their rates when everyone else is becoming fairly cheap. other than that ive been with them since cingular...
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most people do. one of the things im starting to have a problem is is with their rates when everyone else is becoming fairly cheap. other than that ive been with them since cingular...
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They actually lowered my monthly rate a couple months ago. I was shocked. As for everyone else being a lot cheaper, I am not so sure. I have had Sprint, still have a Verizon plan, and recently looked into T-Mobile. In the end it comes down to coverage for me.
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They actually lowered my monthly rate a couple months ago. I was shocked. As for everyone else being a lot cheaper, I am not so sure. I have had Sprint, still have a Verizon plan, and recently looked into T-Mobile. In the end it comes down to coverage for me.
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well their prices(AT&T) are still higher than the other providers. unlimited data plans for $20-$30 when at AT&T you only get so much but get unlimited when on wifi....then again wifi isnt everywhere. i myself have almost the lowest plan with one of the lowest data plans and still pay almost $100 a month!....just sayin
Hey I appreciate all the input regarding my question, ive done quite a bit of reading on this forum lately and am learning a lot! So I guess my next question would be, what kind of speedtest.net scores would one get if connected to HSPA?
HSPA that Att is deploying currently is limited to 14.4Mbps. Real world speeds up to ~12Mbps. The captivate does NOT have HSPA, only 7.2Mbps HSDPA.
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Hey I appreciate all the input regarding my question, ive done quite a bit of reading on this forum lately and am learning a lot! So I guess my next question would be, what kind of speedtest.net scores would one get if connected to HSPA?
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I realize that there is probably a post regarding these scores already, however if somebody could point me in the right direction i would really appreciate it!
That's why I have straight talk. $45/mo unlimited everything with att service!
When my phone says H, I average about 3mbps dl
my favorite part of this whole thread is that nobody even questions the speeds that the OP posted.....
those speeds are impossible on ATT cell network, period. sounds like he was on wifi in the store.
pirate. Microcell and speeds not possible have been mentioned.
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pirate. Microcell and speeds not possible have been mentioned.
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i guess that was a reading fail on my part, because i never saw it when i read through the initial posts, yesterday.
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my favorite part of this whole thread is that nobody even questions the speeds that the OP posted.....
those speeds are impossible on ATT cell network, period. sounds like he was on wifi in the store.
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Its because everyone knows their BS
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where your 3G signal is it will have an H instead of 3G
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Wireless network speeds depend on a number of variables. If you see the H, it just means the software is turned on in the tower you are connecting to. The faster speeds are dependent on whether or not there is expanded backhaul (fiber from the tower into the network) in your area. Until that's added, you won't see speeds above what you get from 3G. Of course geography, your location, number of people connecting to your tower, etc... also play a role.
Ok guys here is my situation. Unfortunately I live in a rural area, I just so happen to not be able to get att interweb because all of the ports are full. I'm currently on Sat internet that is costly considering I only have 20gb of data during peak hours which is from 6am till 8pm. I am about to get rid of sat internet and sat tv, so this means I am going to need interweb to stream. I have decided since they just recently put a tmobile tower up 4 miles from my house that I would use the interweb from them on their unlimited lte. I have a Verizion LG G2/VS980 thus the reason I am asking for your help and will need assistance or rather guidance on how to use tmobile on my phone. I do understand that pretty much all phones are unlocked, so would that mean I keep verzion roms or can I use tmobile roms so that I can use wifi calling. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks for what y'all do.
Ok seems I'm getting alot of views but no answers. I've gotten the test phone from tmobile and it's an iphone 5s Pfft. Anywho I've been testing the network speed mostly getting 10 down 2 up. Not that great but hey good enough for web/phone. Ok now what I need is help finding a suitable rom. Has anyone heard of such a rom that has skipped provisioning and wifi calling working that works on vs980? Also how would I go about flashing a tmobile rom, I've read that you flash a tmobile rom of your choice then flash the flex patch? Any idea's folks.