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Using Diamond in the US

Hello,
I have been really interested in buying this phone for quite a while now. But with it being Triband and not supporting any 3G in the US (which I only really use for internet sharing), I am still wondering if I should spend the money and get this phone or another one. My main question is, even without 3G support, I should still be able to get Voice and EDGE coverage correct? I currently have a Cavalier (S630) which I can use for Internet Sharing only if need be. I still cant see why its not Quadband =( and oh yes, I am on AT&T.
Any help on this topic would be great. Thanks =)

Man why waste 600+ dollars for half a phone. you have waited this long just wait for the us version. Trust me. You have no idea how slow edge is. I used to live in 3G/HSPDA terriroty and now i dont. I havent used my kaiser for web surfing in a while becasue its painfully slow. Save the dough

myv6mustang said:
Man why waste 600+ dollars for half a phone. you have waited this long just wait for the us version. Trust me. You have no idea how slow edge is. I used to live in 3G/HSPDA terriroty and now i dont. I havent used my kaiser for web surfing in a while becasue its painfully slow. Save the dough
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I know how slow EDGE is, it sucks lol. The thing is I know how HTC likes to delay their phones all the time, and I really haven't seen a solid release for the US. I have seen Q2, but since they delay their phones so much you can never tell.

Edge won't work in part's of America either. The Diamond that is out currently is tri-band GSM and doesn't have the 850 mhz which is what at least part of America works on. It's possible, depending on where you live, that even the edge won't work for you.
You really need to wait for the American version to come out.
See this link for the bands.
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_diamond-2368.php

alaiwy said:
Edge won't work in part's of America either. The Diamond that is out currently is tri-band GSM and doesn't have the 850 mhz which is what at least part of America works on. It's possible, depending on where you live, that even the edge won't work for you.
You really need to wait for the American version to come out.
See this link for the bands.
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_diamond-2368.php
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The specs on this site state that is has 850mhz band which is not correct. According to the detailed specs thread on the Diamond fourm it says the phone has a GSM band 1900. I went to www.gsmworld.com to look at the network for AT&T (1900mhz band only) and it covers the major cities and surrounding areas (almost exact same coverage map as 850mhz band) unless your in the friggin mountains.

switch from AT&T service?

I have a dilemma and I was hoping some of the senior member could give me a little feedback. I've been an ATT customer for years and today something unusual happened. I got a taste of 3g in my home area (york, PA) and it was delightful (i was giddy like a little kid with a new toy). Pretty much north, south, east and west of me has 3g, but not old york. I was about to do a speed test on my laptop, after some browsing and funking around with my phone, but then it went back to edge . I've been waiting a while for 3g access and it seems klike I'm never going to get it, so I'm considering moving to another carrier. Do you guys have any suggestions or any feedback you can give me about your carriers, (US only please).

Yes, Change carriers., Because T-Mobile JUST released 3G in New York. So your town will get it in no time.
That doesn't leave much.
Now since you are posting this in the Kaiser Section, I'm going to assume you run a Tilt. The Tilt is a GSM phone, you have two choices for GSM service. AT&T and T-Mobile. Which means AT&T, unfortunately, is your best bet.

I'm in york, Pennsylvania so that won't really help but thanks. It seems like I do have 3G because my coworkers phone says 3G now. but it keeps switching back to edge. Also is there a way to get it to say 3g instead of the little h symbol?

dsoler702 said:
I'm in york, Pennsylvania so that won't really help but thanks. It seems like I do have 3G because my coworkers phone says 3G now. but it keeps switching back to edge. Also is there a way to get it to say 3g instead of the little h symbol?
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"H" Is 3.5G. Or more specifically If it says "H" you have better then 3G.
But to answer your question directly.
If you have Advanced Config Look in there under Data Connections for HSDPA Icon, and Disable it.
Also, don't complain to much about switching between 3G and Edge. There are some Senior Member that don't have 3G at ALL, right Scotchua?

so H is really better than 3G

dsoler702 said:
so H is really better than 3G
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Yes it is. AT&T hypes "3G" because it is a recognizable buzzword, but "H" is above 3G in speed.

unlocked TMOB device only showing EDGE on AT&T - help

hi all, I bought a TOB locked device which worked finme on TMOB, getting 3g and H all the time. i had to move to AT&T so I unlocked the device (thru TMOB) and got the appropriate service at AT&T. But my device only shows EDGE. Card shows 3g in an iphone so it isnt that. Anyone know why im only getting EDGE???

ekerbuddyeker said:
hi all, I bought a TOB locked device which worked finme on TMOB, getting 3g and H all the time. i had to move to AT&T so I unlocked the device (thru TMOB) and got the appropriate service at AT&T. But my device only shows EDGE. Card shows 3g in an iphone so it isnt that. Anyone know why im only getting EDGE???
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ATT and TMobile use different 3g bands so EDGE is all you will ever get. Same thing happens in reverse until there are phones that support both sets of bands (not likely).

well thats just GREAT!!
thanks. have to port to t-mob again!

JonnoB said:
ATT and TMobile use different 3g bands so EDGE is all you will ever get. Same thing happens in reverse until there are phones that support both sets of bands (not likely).
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To expand on what you said, they use different 3G bands AND the hardware that is able to talk to said bands is exclusive to both AT&T and T-Mobile TP2 phones. There is a physical hardware difference between the two, so upgrading to a different radio will not allow you use your T-Mobile TP2 on AT&T's 3G network, either.

ruinertt said:
To expand on what you said, they use different 3G bands AND the hardware that is able to talk to said bands is exclusive to both AT&T and T-Mobile TP2 phones. There is a physical hardware difference between the two, so upgrading to a different radio will not allow you use your T-Mobile TP2 on AT&T's 3G network, either.
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In other words, do a bit more research on these phones before you jump ship on carriers!

biscuits1978 said:
In other words, do a bit more research on these phones before you jump ship on carriers!
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Aye. It's like with my wife. She has a G1 right now with T-Mobile. However, her friend has a MeToo (iPhone) with AT&T. Of course, she wants the iPhone now and told me that other day that she can get one that is already unlocked for use with other carriers. I had to explain to her that I would get her the iPhone if she wanted, but that she would NOT get 3G while on T-Mobile's network given the hardware constraints. She didn't say much after that.
Research is key. I see it every day in the NRG ROM thread. People see "Manila 2.5" and immediately grab that version. However, they fail to research and don't realize that Manila 2.5 is still in its beta form from HTC. They ask why certain functions don't work...they even seem surprised when they don't work. When explained to them that it is still in beta form, they quickly go back to lurking.

ruinertt said:
Aye. It's like with my wife. She has a G1 right now with T-Mobile. However, her friend has a MeToo (iPhone) with AT&T. Of course, she wants the iPhone now and told me that other day that she can get one that is already unlocked for use with other carriers. I had to explain to her that I would get her the iPhone if she wanted, but that she would NOT get 3G while on T-Mobile's network given the hardware constraints. She didn't say much after that.
Research is key. I see it every day in the NRG ROM thread. People see "Manila 2.5" and immediately grab that version. However, they fail to research and don't realize that Manila 2.5 is still in its beta form from HTC. They ask why certain functions don't work...they even seem surprised when they don't work. When explained to them that it is still in beta form, they quickly go back to lurking.
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Yup I do agree some research is always good! But TP2 is worth it without 3G... I dont loose much by loosing 3G compatibility.

ai6908 said:
Yup I do agree some research is always good! But TP2 is worth it without 3G... I dont loose much by loosing 3G compatibility.
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ditto on that, where I live we don't get stable 3g and when we do I don't notice any speed advantages. When I drive to atlanta where they have a stable 3G I only noticed that google maps DIDN"T like to even connect at 3G. And I wasn't really using anything else while there, I actually disabled the stupid 3G radio on my pantech just so I could use google maps. Sooo... never really had it anyway and got tired of waiting for ATT to drop their TP2 or even the TD2. bought a TM TP2 and I've been in heaven ever since. Phooey 3G... who needs ya? I got WiFi and edge is fine for whatever else I need on the road.

ai6908 said:
Yup I do agree some research is always good! But TP2 is worth it without 3G... I dont loose much by loosing 3G compatibility.
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I agree! I followed you here from kaiser! I love my tmobile tp2 on ATT... no need for 3g Shall u be cooking an amazing rhodium rom anytime soon????

conceptcar3 said:
I agree! I followed you here from kaiser! I love my tmobile tp2 on ATT... no need for 3g Shall u be cooking an amazing rhodium rom anytime soon????
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Hey guy! Good to see you here....I just started cooking my own ROM's, not sure if I will release them though!
Yea 3G will be nice, but not a necessity! LOL

thanks to all of you for making me feel so good. its no issue to return to tmob just time!!

i've been with tmobile forever and this is my first taste of 3g, and i gotta say, i was much more excited about it than actually having it. i get 3g in my area and it makes nearly no difference in what i do with opera mini.
espn will load a hair faster and i finally get a good slingbox stream, but other than that, i wouldn't die if i had to go back to edge

bravo261 said:
i've been with tmobile forever and this is my first taste of 3g, and i gotta say, i was much more excited about it than actually having it. i get 3g in my area and it makes nearly no difference in what i do with opera mini.
espn will load a hair faster and i finally get a good slingbox stream, but other than that, i wouldn't die if i had to go back to edge
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You will see a MUCH bigger difference when you aren't using a browser that compresses the data before it gets to your phone.
Opera mini does just that. Thus, you won't see much of a difference between Edge and 3G. Skyfire also does it as well, I believe.
When you start downloading "raw" data, though, you will really see the difference in speed.

I no longer have AT&T 3G network coverage ..

I have a Rogers G1 that I use with AT&T's service. When I first received the phone (yesterday), AT&T's 3G service was working fine and it even had an option to enable|disable the 3G signal in the settings. However, after I decided to flash the SPL, radio, etc. (after everything, I've decided to stick with Cyanogen 4.2.14.1), my 3G signal no longer works, as I only have EDGE coverage AND there is no setting in the phone that even mentions HSDPA or 3G enabling. I know it's not the ROM that did this, since I was using the Expresso, MLIGN's 3.3 and another ROM. So basically.. How do I get my 3G signal back??? Thanks in advance!
My current G1 info:
DREAM PVT 32B ENG S-OFF
HBOOT-1.33.2005 (DREA21000)
CPLD-4
RADIO-3.22.26.17
Apr 20 2009, 15:30:43

wrong section dude
G1 Android Development
Good luck getting your 3g back though!
Try here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=507

iMod_954 said:
I have a Rogers G1 that I use with AT&T's service. When I first received the phone (yesterday), AT&T's 3G service was working fine and it even had an option to enable|disable the 3G signal in the settings. However, after I decided to flash the SPL, radio, etc. (after everything, I've decided to stick with Cyanogen 4.2.14.1), my 3G signal no longer works, as I only have EDGE coverage AND there is no setting in the phone that even mentions HSDPA or 3G enabling. I know it's not the ROM that did this, since I was using the Expresso, MLIGN's 3.3 and another ROM. So basically.. How do I get my 3G signal back??? Thanks in advance!
My current G1 info:
DREAM PVT 32B ENG S-OFF
HBOOT-1.33.2005 (DREA21000)
CPLD-4
RADIO-3.22.26.17
Apr 20 2009, 15:30:43
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isnt that the rogers radio ?
btw wrong section there is a questions and answers section for help. just so you know. Welcome to xda btw..
now on with other member flames.

Not sure how to help you. Wrong forum by the way. I used my Rogers Dream for AT&T 3G but I have noticed several things about it.
1. The build quality seems much lower than my ADP1. I put my ADP1 that I got in Dec. '08 thru hell and it is battered but not a single thing is wrong with it function wise. My Rogers Dream I had for 4 months and it already bit the dust. I took care of it like a baby, yet the bluetooth has failed, as has the microsd slot. I took it apart and swapped the sd board into my ADP1 and it worked fine, yet it fails in my Rogers one still yet. Damn you Rogers.
2. It always seems to show a low signal strength (~-100 dBm where my ADP1 gets ~-80 on EDGE and my Samsung flip-phone gets ~-75 on 3G all in one area)
I would recommend you try a reflash.

Geniusdog254 said:
Not sure how to help you. Wrong forum by the way. I used my Rogers Dream for AT&T 3G but I have noticed several things about it.
1. The build quality seems much lower than my ADP1. I put my ADP1 that I got in Dec. '08 thru hell and it is battered but not a single thing is wrong with it function wise. My Rogers Dream I had for 4 months and it already bit the dust. I took care of it like a baby, yet the bluetooth has failed, as has the microsd slot. I took it apart and swapped the sd board into my ADP1 and it worked fine, yet it fails in my Rogers one still yet. Damn you Rogers.
2. It always seems to show a low signal strength (~-100 dBm where my ADP1 gets ~-80 on EDGE and my Samsung flip-phone gets ~-75 on 3G all in one area)
I would recommend you try a reflash.
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Yes, everyone keeps telling me the wrong forum. When I posted another question on another forum, NO ONE answered at all. Here, I get answers in 3 mins. However, I didn't mean to post it here (I will re-post this thread in the proper section). Thanks for your info! Except, I don't understand what you mean by re-flash.

iMod_954 said:
Yes, everyone keeps telling me the wrong forum. When I posted another question on another forum, NO ONE answered at all. Here, I get answers in 3 mins. However, I didn't mean to post it here (I will re-post this thread in the proper section). Thanks for your info! Except, I don't understand what you mean by re-flash.
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I feel your pain on that one. It happens but you'll get an answer, hopefully.

iMod_954 said:
Yes, everyone keeps telling me the wrong forum. When I posted another question on another forum, NO ONE answered at all. Here, I get answers in 3 mins. However, I didn't mean to post it here (I will re-post this thread in the proper section). Thanks for your info! Except, I don't understand what you mean by re-flash.
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I wasn't trying to be hateful or snarky. I was just stating that it was, unlike some people who just post "wrong forum jackass" & crap like that I actually tried to contribute something
And by reflash, I mean to try to reinstall another ROM. It could just be a temporary problem that reinstalling Cyanogen's ROM or any other ROM may fix.

Geniusdog254 said:
I wasn't trying to be hateful or snarky. I was just stating that it was, unlike some people who just post "wrong forum jackass" & crap like that I actually tried to contribute something
And by reflash, I mean to try to reinstall another ROM. It could just be a temporary problem that reinstalling Cyanogen's ROM or any other ROM may fix.
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Oh.. I know you weren't being "hateful or snarky". I was just saying what everyone else has told me. I hope I didn't come off as "hateful or snarky" either.
If that's what re-flashing is then I've done that plenty of times. Most of the time, I would wipe everything (except the last two settings - Battery & Rotation). I've flashed MLIGN's v3.3, Espresso ROM, some other random v2.3 ROM by the same creator as the Espresso and now, CM's latest (which is what I'm at now - Most stable and it's the most smoothest ROM I've used so far).

its a network issue i doubt anyone here could help at all

Heres your problem..
A g1 WILL NEVER fuction on ATT 3g. They use different bands that the G1 does not use. No matter what you think you may have had, you NEVER had att 3g coverage with a G1. It is an ATT problem, not a rom, radio or whatever problem. Once you unlock a G1 for ATT you say by by to 3g.
Dont belive me, use google and do a tiny ity bity search.

crypysmoker said:
Heres your problem..
A g1 WILL NEVER fuction on ATT 3g. They use different bands that the G1 does not use. No matter what you think you may have had, you NEVER had att 3g coverage with a G1. It is an ATT problem, not a rom, radio or whatever problem. Once you unlock a G1 for ATT you say by by to 3g.
Dont belive me, use google and do a tiny ity bity search.
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He has a Rogers one, so he is able to get AT&T 4G.

maxisma said:
He has a Rogers one, so he is able to get AT&T 4G.
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Ahhh.. See I didnt know there was a difference. I guess its just us US'ers that get screwed on that.
But ATT 3g is garbage anyway lol

crypysmoker said:
Ahhh.. See I didnt know there was a difference. I guess its just us US'ers that get screwed on that.
But ATT 3g is garbage anyway lol
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Actually it's not that bad lol. I live in the boonies about 60 mi. south of St. Louis & I have excellent 3G. I average about 120KB/s and on a good day I can cruise at 210KB/s. Not excellent, but when at my house my only other option is Hughesnet or Dial-up it's pretty dang good. Vzw has no service here & T-Mo barely has EDGE. Sprint is the only other 3G network here and I get about 60KB/s average on my EvDo card.

crypysmoker said:
Ahhh.. See I didnt know there was a difference. I guess its just us US'ers that get screwed on that.
But ATT 3g is garbage anyway lol
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I REALLY hate when people try and give me info that they know NOTHING about. How are YOU going to tell ME if I had AT&T 3G or not? Don't you think I'd realize that!? Why else would I import a Rogers G1!? AT&T's 3G has a much wider spectrum than T-Mobile's, by the way.

iMod_954 said:
I REALLY hate when people try and give me info that they know NOTHING about. How are YOU going to tell ME if I had AT&T 3G or not? Don't you think I'd realize that!? Why else would I import a Rogers G1!? AT&T's 3G has a much wider spectrum than T-Mobile's, by the way.
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oh how I am so tired of you rude little twerps. I made a mistake and I am sorry which I already siad. I was under the impresstion that ATT 3g DID NOT work on G1's I had no idea of the difference in builds.
Dont go giving me a high and mighty BS attitude because I made a mistake. Funny how Im the one who doesnt know what hes talking about, and your the one asking for help.
And as for Tmobiles coverage.. I live in florida.. I stay in florida.. I dont travel. My 3g and sometimes H depedning on what part of town im in averages 800kbps and has gone up to 7mb many times.
So again, Im sorry for making a mistake and apologizing fo rit and Im sorry you prefer ATT.

iMod_954 said:
I REALLY hate when people try and give me info that they know NOTHING about. How are YOU going to tell ME if I had AT&T 3G or not? Don't you think I'd realize that!? Why else would I import a Rogers G1!? AT&T's 3G has a much wider spectrum than T-Mobile's, by the way.
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This should be order for US: Fastest - Slowest
-Verizon
-Sprint
-Tmobile
-A&TT
The top mobile carriers so I excluded any other ones.
I always got slow 3G on my old att phone but tmobile's is faster with great coverage for me and unfortunately bad for you.Not sure what desert wasteland your at that you cant get 3G(jk)...If you dial *#*#4636#*#* then select WCDMA only it should give you only 3G. Not sure if the feature is compat with Att too.

crypysmoker said:
oh how I am so tired of you rude little twerps. I made a mistake and I am sorry which I already siad. I was under the impresstion that ATT 3g DID NOT work on G1's I had no idea of the difference in builds.
Dont go giving me a high and mighty BS attitude because I made a mistake.
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Granted you admitted inaccuracy with your assumption (and at no point apologized, for those keeping track), but with the tone you took in your initial post regarding his issue, I think he has the right to lash out a little.
You can tell him to do itty bitty searches all you want but your input's no good if you don't read first.
Sigh. Back to lurking I go.

crypysmoker said:
Heres your problem..
A g1 WILL NEVER fuction on ATT 3g. They use different bands that the G1 does not use. No matter what you think you may have had, you NEVER had att 3g coverage with a G1. It is an ATT problem, not a rom, radio or whatever problem. Once you unlock a G1 for ATT you say by by to 3g.
Dont belive me, use google and do a tiny ity bity search.
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everyone knows this, I also have a UNLOCKED MyTouch, actually i've had a few unlocked T-mobile phones over the years. All you get EDGE never 3G i dont think it possible to ever get 3G, unless u know how to tweak the freq. and the radio crystal or whatever, and nobody can do that

nicknowsky said:
everyone knows this, I also have a UNLOCKED MyTouch, actually i've had a few unlocked T-mobile phones over the years. All you get EDGE never 3G i dont think it possible to ever get 3G, unless u know how to tweak the freq. and the radio crystal or whatever, and nobody can do that
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Did you read ANYTHING on the second page???? How many times have we explained, he has a ROGERS DREAM. I have one too, THEY GET AT&T 3G, I PROMISE YOU! It's people like this that piss me off.

Geniusdog254 said:
Did you read ANYTHING on the second page???? How many times have we explained, he has a ROGERS DREAM. I have one too, THEY GET AT&T 3G, I PROMISE YOU! It's people like this that piss me off.
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yeah, I import at&t phones for use on rogers network, because they share freq's, rogers = at&t

Need advice from NYC area members

Hi guys,
I've been doing research but wanted to pose this question to everyone in this forum as well.
Thinking about making the switch over to T-Mobile to test their network and see how I like it.
Unfortunately I'd have to get an HTC One capable of receiving their LTE signal so I'd have to swap phones (at least that's what I've seen online). Kind of a pain in the ass but whatever.
I just wanted anyone's opinion who has used T-Mobile in NYC/Queens and can tell me about their recent experience. I'm most concerned with building penetration which I've found to be pretty solid with Sprint (granted the data speeds suck).
For anyone who's wondering, yes I will be posting this in the T-Mobile forum as well but I wanted to start here.
Any input would really help. Love this phone but I might have to test a new network.
Thanks

madwakisbak said:
Hi guys,
I've been doing research but wanted to pose this question to everyone in this forum as well.
Thinking about making the switch over to T-Mobile to test their network and see how I like it.
Unfortunately I'd have to get an HTC One capable of receiving their LTE signal so I'd have to swap phones (at least that's what I've seen online). Kind of a pain in the ass but whatever.
I just wanted anyone's opinion who has used T-Mobile in NYC/Queens and can tell me about their recent experience. I'm most concerned with building penetration which I've found to be pretty solid with Sprint (granted the data speeds suck).
For anyone who's wondering, yes I will be posting this in the T-Mobile forum as well but I wanted to start here.
Any input would really help. Love this phone but I might have to test a new network.
Thanks
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I use to have TMobile and my problem with Tmobile was building penetration. Especially in Manhattan. Whenever I was in a skyscraper, many times my tmobile service would go into Emergency Service only mode. Complained about it many times with them but never got any better, had to eventually change over and I went to sprint and has been with them ever since. And I agree, Sprint's data service really needs to get better. Its just too spotty still