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My Galaxy Note was stolen a few weeks ago. Fortunately, my parents were nice enough to buy me a new one. Now I'm trying to protect it with maximum security. I've set up the pattern lock screen, I was also asked to set up a back up PIN code just in case I forget the pattern. Now when I try to draw the wrong pattern on purpose for over 20 times, it only tells me "Sorry, try again." It doesn't stop me from trying nor does it ask for the PIN code. Is everyone's Note like this or is there something wrong with mine?
I want to know if it's possible to NOT have it ask for the pattern every time I unlock the device? Is it possible to have it ask for the pattern every hour or something? It's quite annoying having to draw a complicated pattern every time I unlock the device.
I also heard of some security app that takes a picture with the front camera after numerous wrong passcode/pattern attempt and sends the picture to my email. Anyone know what apps have the ability to do that?
Lastly, what are some of your advices/suggestions/recommendations for security apps or keeping the phone more secure?
Loads of thanks.
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My Galaxy Note was stolen a few weeks ago. Fortunately, my parents were nice enough to buy me a new one. Now I'm trying to protect it with maximum security. I've set up the pattern lock screen, I was also asked to set up a back up PIN code just in case I forget the pattern. Now when I try to draw the wrong pattern on purpose for over 20 times, it only tells me "Sorry, try again." It doesn't stop me from trying nor does it ask for the PIN code. Is everyone's Note like this or is there something wrong with mine?
I want to know if it's possible to NOT have it ask for the pattern every time I unlock the device? Is it possible to have it ask for the pattern every hour or something? It's quite annoying having to draw a complicated pattern every time I unlock the device.
I also heard of some security app that takes a picture with the front camera after numerous wrong passcode/pattern attempt and sends the picture to my email. Anyone know what apps have the ability to do that?
Lastly, what are some of your advices/suggestions/recommendations for security apps or keeping the phone more secure?
Loads of thanks.
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1. Hmm, for me after 5 incorrect patterns, it just says try again in 30 seconds, don't really have the patience for 20 But I remember one time I gave my friend my phone to hold on to before going for an exam, and she locked the device completely, in which case I had to enter my google account email.
2. there should be a "Lock Delay" option in lock screen settings, and you can delay screen lock, up to 30 min
3. I know what you are talking about with the face taking picture app, but right now for my life of me I can't remember what that app was, back from march-ish, cause I did have it. I used to have Kaspersky anti-theft after that, but got rid of it around june. I felt like it lacked some features, but its been a while, so there could have been an update with more features and stuff. There's an app called Ceberus anti theft that supposedly does the face picture, but I have not used it so can't confirm on that. And there's a specific app on the market Gotya! Face trap. Haven't used it, you can buy it and try it.
3. I'm currently using avast mobile security, since july. I feel like it covers my bases, the only thing thats not featured is the "lock device if entered incorrectly" and essentially the face picture, but i don't really care for that.
Personally, I just use the slider unlock, just quicker, no hassle, especially when driving, its on me always, I trust my friends around me, if someone steals my phone, I have avast to do the magic.
There's many anti-theft/mobile security apps out there, and most are free to install with no in app billing extended features. Kaspersky you have to buy initially, Cerberus is free initially, and has an in app extended feature billing. Just shop around, see what suits your needs
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1. Hmm, for me after 5 incorrect patterns, it just says try again in 30 seconds, don't really have the patience for 20 But I remember one time I gave my friend my phone to hold on to before going for an exam, and she locked the device completely, in which case I had to enter my google account email.
2. there should be a "Lock Delay" option in lock screen settings, and you can delay screen lock, up to 30 min
3. I know what you are talking about with the face taking picture app, but right now for my life of me I can't remember what that app was, back from march-ish, cause I did have it. I used to have Kaspersky anti-theft after that, but got rid of it around june. I felt like it lacked some features, but its been a while, so there could have been an update with more features and stuff. There's an app called Ceberus anti theft that supposedly does the face picture, but I have not used it so can't confirm on that. And there's a specific app on the market Gotya! Face trap. Haven't used it, you can buy it and try it.
3. I'm currently using avast mobile security, since july. I feel like it covers my bases, the only thing thats not featured is the "lock device if entered incorrectly" and essentially the face picture, but i don't really care for that.
Personally, I just use the slider unlock, just quicker, no hassle, especially when driving, its on me always, I trust my friends around me, if someone steals my phone, I have avast to do the magic.
There's many anti-theft/mobile security apps out there, and most are free to install with no in app billing extended features. Kaspersky you have to buy initially, Cerberus is free initially, and has an in app extended feature billing. Just shop around, see what suits your needs
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The lock delay doesn't work as I want it to because as long as there's some activity within 30 minutes, it doesn't lock. I'm looking for something that looks the phone EVERY certain amount of time, just don't know if it's impossible. Nonetheless, you have given me a great list of suggestions and apps. I'll look into those apps.
I'm open for more suggestions.
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The lock delay doesn't work as I want it to because as long as there's some activity within 30 minutes, it doesn't lock. I'm looking for something that looks the phone EVERY certain amount of time, just don't know if it's impossible. Nonetheless, you have given me a great list of suggestions and apps. I'll look into those apps.
I'm open for more suggestions.
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For security thing, see if you can use this.. http://www.samsungdive.com/DiveMain.do
For more info about using this, please go to Ketan's thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1946240
First, don't use a lock pattern, it's not safe. The only thing that is really safe is password that is composed of numbers and letters.
For delayed locking I recommend the app delayed lock. The name makes sense doesn't it
Further I recommend some kind of encryption tool to protect sensitive data on your phone. There are many available on google play. For logins etc. you can try keepass which is freeware (open source). For photos, videos and any other file types I use droid crypt which is paid software but offers a long trial periode.
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Create account on samsung dive & u r good to go...
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Thank you all. My previous Note had Samsung Dive set up but immediately (well 10 minutes) after I lost the phone, I tried using Dive but it did not find the phone. I did set it up on my second Note but I'm not fully relying on it.
Ceberus seems like a good app as a few of you guys have already suggested to me. I'll definitely try that out.
Altae, thanks for the list of apps! And I agree that numbers+letters is the most safe password but it takes quite a bit of effort to type and it's not something I can do without me looking at the screen.
Thanks again everyone.
1) OK... What happens when you are on a bluetooth headset? Where does the audio route?
Since moto pretty much has an epic fail with regard to security in that you can't use touchless control AND a screen lock, I'm looking for solutions.
2) What would happen, for example, if you were to use a third party screen lock tool instead of native android? Would the same limitation apply?
3) Similarly, what about leaving the "phone" unlocked but locking key apps with something like this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sp.protector.free and you can set it to only require the passcode once per session. But lets say you "locked" messaging, what would happen if you tried to say "OK Google Now, send text to John Whats up", would that go through?
4) What about something like this to facilitate? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yinlong.voiceprintlock
km8j said:
1) OK... What happens when you are on a bluetooth headset? Where does the audio route?
Since moto pretty much has an epic fail with regard to security in that you can't use touchless control AND a screen lock, I'm looking for solutions.
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As far as the blue tooth goes I'm not sure. But they did come out with a fix for the issue at hand.
Read up on this.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/16/moto-x-skip/
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As far as the blue tooth goes I'm not sure. But they did come out with a fix for the issue at hand.
Read up on this.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/08/16/moto-x-skip/
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That is far from a solution since it requires you to touch your phone to use touchless controls.
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That is far from a solution since it requires you to touch your phone to use touchless controls.
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I think your expectations are a bit high. Anytime you want to add security, you have to sacrifice convenience. Can't have both. It's like saying I want to have a safe that uses a fingerprint scanner, retina scan, and voice recognition to keep my money in it. The safe will be really secure, but you have to do all three steps every time you want to take money out.
Same analogy here. This is an Android security limitation, and not really anything Moto can do about it. As it is right now, you can't have notifications on the lockscreen with a security pin/pattern that shows portions of emails and texts without compromising privacy because anyone can see those previews, nor will voice activation be able to automatically unlock the lockscreen or any app that has a security lock. Just have to hope Google is working on giving more options that allow a various levels of security and privacy in Key Lime. You can use Tasker or Llama apps to set safe zones based on location data or networks to disable the lock screen when you want, but again you lose security to gain convenience in those safe zones.
These expectations are completely in line with the functionality of today. You can use a bluetooth headset to bypass screen locks and have been able to for some time. There is not a large security risk with someone being able to send a text via voice from your phone or navigate somewhere, but that is on the user to decide just like you can now place widgets on your lock screen which expose data.
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These expectations are completely in line with the functionality of today. You can use a bluetooth headset to bypass screen locks and have been able to for some time. There is not a large security risk with someone being able to send a text via voice from your phone or navigate somewhere, but that is on the user to decide just like you can now place widgets on your lock screen which expose data.
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I agree that it should be a user option to decide, but you can't blame Moto for taking the safe route by respecting default android policies especially with a brand new app. Otherwise they would get flak for not respecting security, as the bluetooth workaround could be considered a security flaw just as much as a convenience. There's also a reason why all android phones have the security lock disabled by default, simply because not everyone, including myself, are paranoid about security and that is why they focused on making voice activation work perfectly when the security lock is disabled. Bright side is for those who are, it's only software and Moto can easily update it in the coming months. In the mean time, use Tasker or Llama.
Lets see if anyone can help me find a solution to this...
I have a non-rooted Note3 and have the corporate exchange email setup, which sets the requirement to use a PIN to secure the phone.
Using the lock screen PIN doesn't bother me, because I am able to set it to not ask for the PIN again for 30 minutes, which has worked well for my needs. I must keep the PIN activated on my phone though due to company requirements.
BUT...I hate the keyguard (swipe to unlock) feature! It activates way too quickly after the screen turns off. Before, with my original Note1, I had a custom rom that let me set a delay for the keyguard, so that if the screen turned off, I had 15 seconds to turn the screen back on without it activating the keyguard.
So, does anyone know how to either set a delay for the keyguard, or to disable it completely on a non-rooted Note3? I would prefer for it to be a delay, but this keyguard activating so easily makes me wish it was just completely gone!
I have tried a few of the available apps in the appstore, but none have worked so far. They usually have trouble with the Exchange email PIN requirement being in effect, even though I'm not trying to disable the PIN. I'm only wanting to do something about the keyguard feature.
I've used Touchdown for my email with my Note1, but am trying to keep from going back to using it. The new email package on 4.3 (and 4.4) work pretty good for my corporate email needs without needing all of the bells & whistles that Touchdown offer. Please don't offer Touchdown as a solution at this point. I'm currently only interested in solutions using the stock email apps.
Thanks!
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Lets see if anyone can help me find a solution to this...
I have a non-rooted Note3 and have the corporate exchange email setup, which sets the requirement to use a PIN to secure the phone.
Using the lock screen PIN doesn't bother me, because I am able to set it to not ask for the PIN again for 30 minutes, which has worked well for my needs. I must keep the PIN activated on my phone though due to company requirements.
BUT...I hate the keyguard (swipe to unlock) feature! It activates way too quickly after the screen turns off. Before, with my original Note1, I had a custom rom that let me set a delay for the keyguard, so that if the screen turned off, I had 15 seconds to turn the screen back on without it activating the keyguard.
So, does anyone know how to either set a delay for the keyguard, or to disable it completely on a non-rooted Note3? I would prefer for it to be a delay, but this keyguard activating so easily makes me wish it was just completely gone!
I have tried a few of the available apps in the appstore, but none have worked so far. They usually have trouble with the Exchange email PIN requirement being in effect, even though I'm not trying to disable the PIN. I'm only wanting to do something about the keyguard feature.
I've used Touchdown for my email with my Note1, but am trying to keep from going back to using it. The new email package on 4.3 (and 4.4) work pretty good for my corporate email needs without needing all of the bells & whistles that Touchdown offer. Please don't offer Touchdown as a solution at this point. I'm currently only interested in solutions using the stock email apps.
Thanks!
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I found this instant keyguard to be a unique feature of AT&T Note 3. With the Sprint Note 3, there is no keyguard. If you set screen lock timeout to 30 minutes and you press the power or home button to turn the screen back on within 3 minutes, you are greeted with a totally unlock screen and not a slide to unlock that is basically a keyguard. One man's annoyance is another man's favorite feature I guess.
In order from most annoying:
Cannot whitelist k9 mail (and other things) from power saving (this is a deal breaker, I'm taking it back)
Long press to select text instead of double click (vanilla android allows both) (almost a deal breaker)
Media volume cannot be increased without acknowledging warning when BT connected
Can’t disable bixby button without samsung account
No root (needed to run webserver on 80 and change iptables)
Fingerprint sensor hard to find, hard to touch (compared to nexus 6p)
Default phone app sucks and can’t be changed
-Notifications for blocked numbers calling
-Hard to block numbers
-Hard to add recent calls to contacts (uses wrong account or something)
Volume buttons hard to find, on wrong side of phone
Samsung sms app is ugly and horrible (replaceable)
Samsung calendar app does not allow multiple default reminders (replaceable)
Lock screen time is on multiple lines with no way to change it
Thats nice. Enjoy.
swooperstar said:
bleh bleh bleh
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Where is the question? Wrong forum, maybe you should tell someone who cares?
Um, what phone is this, half the things you complain about can be done by the note 8, so must be another phone. Maybe he got the wrong forum...
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Incorrect, but whatever. Pixel2 XL coming next week to replace this samsuck. This site used to be more help less fanboy.
...more help less fan boy
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Not about fanboys, you didn't ask for any help, just listed complaints. No one cares about personal complaints.
lol once again the user is the problem not the device... you can do all of those things either with an app from the play store or with root. maybe stick to something more simple? try iOS.
Not sure how moving to another Android device will help you. :laugh:
Being that the OP has a total of 9, count them 9 posts and is a junior member, I'm guessing he's referring to the old days on the site when we were more help and less fanbois
Mr.Ash.Man said:
lol once again the user is the problem not the device... you can do all of those things either with an app from the play store or with root. maybe stick to something more simple? try iOS.
Not sure how moving to another Android device will help you. :laugh:
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He is already using IOS!
Ryland
Now we know from authoritative source that volume button is on the wrong side all those years, imagine that.
There are ways to adjust pretty much all of these points. Some are android specific - assume you are new to Android??
Did you even review the phone/play with it before spending on something you have chosen to dislike? To be fair you've come to a forum where 99.9999% of people are note enthusiasts so you will be whacked with a great big stick with a post like this :silly:
Ok how do you whitelist from power saving in a way that actually works? The settings interface for that is much different than stock android and doesn't actually let stuff run all the time like it does on my 6p. k9 always says syncing disabled (and works fine on 6p with stock nougat or oreo).
How do you get double-tap to select a word in text? Works by default in stock android.
After asking twice before to confirm increase volume while BT connected, it didn't ask this last time I increased it. I guess it is magically ok now.
How do you disable bixby button without creating a samsung account? There is an app that used to work using accessibility but no longer works in latest update.
How do you get root? The rooting page itself says "2.Enable OEM Unlock from developer option (Currently no workaround for those who doesn't have this option)" and I don't have this option.
How do you change the phone app? I tried downloading and installing one from apkmirror and got an error when installing.
How do you prevent notifications when blocked callers call?
How do you get normal time on the lock screen? Not the always on screen.
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Ok how do you whitelist from power saving in a way that actually works? The settings interface for that is much different than stock android and doesn't actually let stuff run all the time like it does on my 6p. k9 always says syncing disabled (and works fine on 6p with stock nougat or oreo).
How do you get double-tap to select a word in text? Works by default in stock android.
After asking twice before to confirm increase volume while BT connected, it didn't ask this last time I increased it. I guess it is magically ok now.
How do you disable bixby button without creating a samsung account? There is an app that used to work using accessibility but no longer works in latest update.
How do you get root? The rooting page itself says "2.Enable OEM Unlock from developer option (Currently no workaround for those who doesn't have this option)" and I don't have this option.
How do you change the phone app? I tried downloading and installing one from apkmirror and got an error when installing.
How do you prevent notifications when blocked callers call?
How do you get normal time on the lock screen? Not the always on screen.
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A respectful suggestion if I may.
Your first post was..... confrontational? Not the way to have your teething problems answered or supported.
Many of us, in all forum's, experience teething problems. I suggest you ask questions preferably one at a time so a peer can offer you some advice.
I have yet to ask for help here and not receive it. You will find there are some amazingly smart guys and gals here who will help IF you ask a palatable question. I am afraid what you have done is cause bad feeling and that's not the way to get help with your problems. Just food for thought. :good:
Ryland
I agree with the fingerprint sensor placement, for me being left handed, I have ot align it perfectly for it to work. Luckily the iris scanner is fast.
One issue I am coming across is my phone would random reboot and some settings would be changed to stock. For example, the font size would be change to default instead of everything tiny. My quick shortcuts layouts are stock and I have to re-login into some apps.
It happened about 3 times since i got the phone the first week of September. Hopefully I'm not alone. Sucks if I am though...lol
There is no help for those issues. That is why there is no response, and why the phone is going back. I am surprised anyone can stand the samsung interface and that is why it might sound confrontational. The apps that samsung replaces default apps with are really awful.
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There is no help for those issues. That is why there is no response, and why the phone is going back. I am surprised anyone can stand the samsung interface and that is why it might sound confrontational. The apps that samsung replaces default apps with are really awful.
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The only issue or possibly even an advantage is Samsung is edging it's own ecosystem in more and more. , basically it encourages one to buy another Sammy device and stay on board with them.
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UberPishy said:
Where is the question? Wrong forum, maybe you should tell someone who cares?
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I care. Thanks to the original poster for critical analysis.
Anybody can fan-boy and circlejerk, that takes no skill.
It takes skill to spot issues and courage to speak out on them.
Every phones has its issues, these do not make Note 8 useless, but buyers can more easily decide if it is for them, when they know its particular failings.
vasra said:
I care. Thanks to the original poster for critical analysis.
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So which of the OP's claims do you really care about, because most are false, many are non issues for the majority and a few are valid. But the point remains that they were posted in the wrong forum.
vasra said:
I care. Thanks to the original poster for critical analysis.
Anybody can fan-boy and circlejerk, that takes no skill.
It takes skill to spot issues and courage to speak out on them.
Every phones has its issues, these do not make Note 8 useless, but buyers can more easily decide if it is for them, when they know its particular failings.
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It's not a critical assessment...it's a misleading one.
A few observations.
The volume button on the left side is the more ergonomic position and also makes it less likely you will drop the phone while changing volume making it an objectively better placement. The fingerprint scanner? Yeah, it's poor ergonomics at best and your complaint there is well justified.
Root is something you knew going in you wouldn't have, if it mattered you should have bought something else. I do agree in general that the trend toward taking root access from us is one I hate. That's why I bought an international version and rooted it.
The Samsung calendar app is less well featured than the stock app but it uses no resources when not used and you can always use the google app or one of the several better than stock google calendar apps on the play store. You don't get to complain about not having an app you can put on you phone in seconds which isn't even close to the best app of its kind anyways. I BTW didn't use the stock app on my 6P, didn't meet my needs.Samsung's stock SMS app is awful, IMO someone should be fired there because it falls below even a minimum level of functionality. But then while Googles does manage to get to at least a minimally functional feature set it isn't much better and both are a long way from what can be had in seconds for free that work better than either on the market. You don't get to complain about this one either though, the stock google app is a few clicks away and a few seconds will give that stock google experience if that is your preference.
Same number of clicks with Samsung to add a recent callers to contacts. Hard to do so is dismissed.
Hard to copy because you have to long press instead of double tap? Seriously? lol That's a fairly lame complaint without even taking into consideration the S-pen which opens up a whole world of options that you don't have on the 6P, one of which is using the S-Pen in the first place.
I like the default dialer and it has features which Google's does not. Regardless it can be changed as well as which dialer is the default, where did you get the idea you couldn't change dialers?
I don't have the media volume warning with my phone unless I'm on headphones, not sure why you do?
The Bixby button can be disabled, it can be disabled without signing into Samsung. Just an FYI, it can also be slaved to another function. All without root.
You can white list any app from power saver, just takes a few clicks, assuming of course you know which clicks. You have in an oblique way a real gripe here, Samsung's menus are getting better but they are still too bloated. The search menu function is your friend in pursing hard to find settings.
Who uses lock screens in this day an age? You've get bio-metrics and AOD, leaving the lock screen as an artifact of what was once the best we could do but isn't anymore. Think of it this way, I'm a pathetic old man and I've been able to understand that lockscreens are now just an extra step. Your complaint in this regard reminds me of my friends who cant handle new tech and are still trying to hang on to their flip phone.
At this point you probably think I'm busting your balls a little bit and you're right. On the other hand your complaints are largely groundless. The only real objective gripe you have is the fingerprint sensor location. Your assessment of the volume button location is subjective, not objective, and objectively is incorrect. Your complaints about the stock apps can be applied to google apps in the same way and most of which I changed on my 6P just as I have here. The impression I get is that the main problem you have is you need to learn how to shop better. There is no reason to buy a phone that does not have root if you know you want root. There is no reason to buy a phone well known for it's rather overbearing GUI and menu bloat if you know you are going to hate it. Why do that to yourself?
I have auto update downloads switched off yet still I am notified in my drop down that there is a software update. I can delay it but it keeps coming back, quicker each time. I own this device, paid for in cash and I want to choose whether I have an update notification or not. After an insane amount of googling it appears that there is no way to stop this notification??
Will the update eventually auto download and auto update?
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I have auto update downloads switched off yet still I am notified in my drop down that there is a software update. I can delay it but it keeps coming back, quicker each time. I own this device, paid for in cash and I want to choose whether I have an update notification or not. After an insane amount of googling it appears that there is no way to stop this notification??
Will the update eventually auto download and auto update?
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This isn't Windows. It won't do something you told it not to do. As far as hiding the notification, have you tried swiping right on the notification, not to dismiss is, but to show the notification options. Just swipe a little bit to reveal the options icon, then tap on it and see if that takes you to the notification settings where you can individually disable certain specific notifications from an app.
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This isn't Windows. It won't do something you told it not to do. As far as hiding the notification, have you tried swiping right on the notification, not to dismiss is, but to show the notification options. Just swipe a little bit to reveal the options icon, then tap on it and see if that takes you to the notification settings where you can individually disable certain specific notifications from an app.
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Yes I have tried that and no you cannot suppress that particular notification. There is no option to do so.
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Yes I have tried that and no you cannot suppress that particular notification. There is no option to do so.
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I figured it would be a long shot. Only other advice I have is to root your phone. When your phone is rooted, you can't update it anymore as it's none official. Because it's none official, the auto-update checker basically just time-out when it's checking for updates, hence it won't give you notifications. But I'm sure you know, rooting it brings other potential problem which I'm assuming you're avoiding and why you aren't rooted already.
TL;DR - I have no other advice.
I have got my battery life and stability as good as it is ever going to be, and previous experience with both Android & iOS tells me that at some point an update will come which slows my phone down and/or reduces the battery life. As this is my phone and I own it outright I should be able to prevent my phone updating and I should be able to remove the notifications which are annoying & take up real estate in my drop-down bar. Samsung will at some point stop sending updates so why can I not opt out myself??
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I have got my battery life and stability as good as it is ever going to be, and previous experience with both Android & iOS tells me that at some point an update will come which slows my phone down and/or reduces the battery life. As this is my phone and I own it outright I should be able to prevent my phone updating and I should be able to remove the notifications which are annoying & take up real estate in my drop-down bar. Samsung will at some point stop sending updates so why can I not opt out myself??
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I think you can disable that using an app like Package Disabler, etc. Try refining the search with that modifier.