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controlling HDMI

As stated in the (www .blogtalkradio .com/motodev) Q&A session yesterday with Motorola about the Droid X, in answer to the question asked at the 29:00 mark,
"The only time that we are enabling the HDMI driver on the device is when you are in the gallery mode. [...] The HDMI driver is not active any time outside the gallery," where the "gallery mode" is their included photo/video viewer.
I'm wondering how true that is...
(www .pcmag .com/article2/0,2817,2365630,00.asp ) PCMag's review stated that the youtube player and blockbuster player were not able to use the hdmi out at all.
As seen in (forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=703111 ) this thread the evo 4g, which also has hdmi out, is capable of allowing any app that uses VideoView to utilize that output, but that's supported by the phone maker.
Will that usability be true on the droid x?
Could we figure out a way to bypass any limitations Motorola includes, and maybe even send (an upscaled version of) the main screen through the hdmi (not just video but anything we could put on the phone's screen)?

I was just at a motorola event and we were able to run nfl mobile through the hdmi.
Yes the tv was in an ice sculpture and yes it was connected to a droid x via the hdmi cable
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That's great news, thanks for letting us know!
The more apps with handshakes to the hdmi-out we have, the better for us to get it working completely openly
The whole media-center-and-phone-in-my-pocket is just a great idea imho...
With the hdmi out we could:
put any videos and pictures from any source up on your home tv
connect it to the projector at work and give presentations
go with a few bluetooth controllers to your friend's house and play multiplayer (even online) games on their tv with minimal cords to deal with
maybe even video-chat would be possible if you set up the phone with the camera facing out in front of the tv
... ok, that last one sounds like a pretty lame way to get video-chat, but it would save on having to have a computer/monitor/webcam when you wanted to
Of course this is all far into the future stages of development on the phone, but I'd rather create buzz and excitement to build up a developer and user base

Talked to a moto rep, said it might have been a beta device as licensing is what will prevent this thing from being turned on when it hits consumers hands. At least we know it can be done.
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no fun, i'm not much of a C programmer, but if it's just enabling or disabling the driver, I guess it comes down to the security on the phone. If you go into root, I suppose we should be able to start the driver. The only thing I fear is if the driver is signed and only a signed application can access it, then I think we might be SOL

I'm not particularly worried... if we get access to enough apps that use the hdmi driver, we should be able to document enough of the method.
I believe while the hardware can reject unsigned versions of the OS (roms), most apps are self-signed (see developer. android. com/guide/publishing/app-signing.html) so that shouldn't be a problem. We just have to figure out which hoops to jump through (following the programs that use hdmi) to get it to work. They'd have to leave the hoops pretty wide open or else risk the need of updating the thing every time a new app is released that needs to get through.

This is a mixed bag here. The reason why Motorola limited the hdmi driver is likely so they didn't have to put a fps cap on the droid x like htc put on the evo.
This is pure speculation here but I would imagine the way that the evo devs are going to "truly" overcome the fps cap is to mimic the droid x behavior of toggling on and off the hdmi drivers so that the evo can access up to 60 fps.
You guys are on the other end of the boat where by default your fps won't be artificially capped, but you likely won't have full access to the hdmi drivers at first.
I think the sweet spot for both phones is finding a happy medium where we can toggle the hdmi drivers at will.

Any news on this? I would really like to get rockplayer and youtube working through hdmi. In fact, I would like to get the entire OS through HDMI and possibly a bluetooth keyboard and mouse working so I can use it as a little media center pc.

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I would lime to see this pushed to.the level of controlling the phone through an hdmi touchscreen.

I thought we would be able to see pandora and other apps through the hdmi...This sucks the way it is...also does anyone think the sound is terrible through the hdmi?

There is no point int he HDMi at all if you can only use it for your pictures and your videos from the phone's camera.
They need to make it show what you see on the phone, but on the screen
I remember there was a windows mobiel program that popped up a small window on your desktop that let you see your phone's screen and interact with it on your monitor when connected through usb
anything like this for android?

sp1kez said:
There is no point int he HDMi at all if you can only use it for your pictures and your videos from the phone's camera.
They need to make it show what you see on the phone, but on the screen
I remember there was a windows mobiel program that popped up a small window on your desktop that let you see your phone's screen and interact with it on your monitor when connected through usb
anything like this for android?
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NO, the hdmi dock is a half ass design. For the $, it should do everything. MOTO/VZ dropped the ball on this. Hopefully they will open this up with a sw update.

Update: "Real HDMI" in the market
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=769990&highlight=control+hdmi

Hi,
I'm pretty new to Android development. So my understanding after reading a couple threads here is that HDMI access on the stock Droid X is limited to the gallery only, is that right? And the point of the "Real HDMI" app is that it will automatically redirect all output to the phone's display through HDMI, right? So no API exists which gives programmatic control over the HDMI port? That's a shame if so.
Do any of the Android devices allow easier HDMI port control or do we need these kinds of work arounds for all of them?
Thank you very much for any information anyone can provide.

Sorry to be a pest, but can anybody answer my questions? Should I consider posting somehwere else?
Thanks again.

commie64 said:
Sorry to be a pest, but can anybody answer my questions? Should I consider posting somehwere else?
Thanks again.
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Maybe try posting in the Real HDMI thread over at DroidXForums.com because username GMAN (who made real hdmi) has a thread there. I'm sure his knowledge of the subject is pretty extensive.

My experience with the Netgear Push2TV (AllCast dongle)

So just a quick review of the NETGEAR Push2TV Wireless Display Adapter PTV3000 I just bought. Got it for a bit under $60 USD from Amazon. Did the firmware update at work before coming home -- didn't even have a TV to connect it to there! You do the update from a PC over Wifi and web interface. Now, I first tried to update the firmware from a Mac laptop I had lying around but couldn't. I could bring up the update page, but when I browsed for a file, I couldn't pick it! Tried both Safari and Chrome... Either way, just used a Windows laptop and IE 9 and the update worked fine.
Anyway, at home plugged it into my TV, picked up my Note 10.1 tablet and it works great. With the latest firmware on the Netgear, connection speed is pretty quick -- a few seconds. Video from my Note 10.1 was slightly letter boxed due to the 1280x800 resolution of the tablet ... but when you played video it would go full screen. When playing video, any on screen graphics do no show up on the TV at all. Also, on the Note 10.1 when playing video through it, you do not see video on the tablet anymore. Just black where it should be. This is fine (IMHO) ....
When using the UI of the tablet, the speed on the tablet felt unaffected (butter smooth in other words) but on the TV it was maybe running at 30fps. You could see some flight artifacting but I was sitting very close to my 52" LCD.... Text was totally readable and it looked just as good as Airplay does on the Mac.
NOW, I cannot test with my phone. Why? Well, I didn't know this, but when I tried to connect, it would connect, but after about 10 seconds disconnect. On my TV it would say HDCP Connection Error (or something along those lines.) After a little reading, turned out because my phone is rooted and has a flash count of 1 and System Status: Modified, you cannot use AllShare Cast! That is crap if you ask me, but it's how Samsung set it up.
I tried flashing stock recovery and then using Triangle Away, but the phone still says "Modified" and that sets the count back to 1. Pretty lame ... I am on a stock rom/kernel and now recovery, but something is flipping the status. I'm sure if I flashed back to 100% stock it would work fine, just like it does on my bone stock tablet .....
Honestly, this is a real bummer to me as I was excited at how well it worked with the tablet and for travelling, this tiny little box would be great for using in hotel rooms.
Oh I didn't mention, the size of it is very small -- like a deck of cards, and very light. Also it has a Mini_USB input (not Micro) and while the power adapter is 5v/1amp, it says when you turn it on you can easily power it from the USB port on a TV. Very handy.
So to sum it up:
Stock phone with unmodified system status? Get it. Cheaper than Samsung AllCast dongle and more functional because it supports Miracast (Sony Xperia, Nexus 4, some LG phones) and also Intel WiDi so basically all the current crop of Windows 7 and 8 laptops running with 3rd gen intel processors.
Modified phone like me? Better stick to the MHL HDMI adapter and you will have to get up to walk to your phone to switch the video or buy a long HDMI cable.
Fire away if you have any questions.
Edit: I made a quick Youtube video showing this thing in use: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnqhZdjm16s

ASUS Professional Dock...Best RoG Accessory

Linus did a great "real-life" usage video for all the RoG Accessories, and I agree the Professional Dock is best of them all.
Just connect it to the wireless Keyboard Mouse Combo, and you are ready for some Hi-Speed Gaming...
ASUS ADSU001 Professional Dock
- Gigabit Ethernet
- Dual USB 3.1 Type A
- 4k HDMI
- USB 3.1 Type C
Also tested on my Razer Stealth without any issues

Just FYI, By design it seems like the HDMI Output only works via the "SidePorts", specifically the "BLACK" connector, or the one on the LEFT when the RoG Phone is held in landscape mode.
The SidePorts will contain Dual TypeC, they are colored LEFT=BLACK, and RIGHT= BRONZE, ONLY USE the LEFT one for Charging, and HDMI OUT. The RIGHT Port is mostly-Likely for AUDIO ONLY
Just referencing the AirCooler that comes with the phone, that's the same arrangement

i used some other brand but cant get the mapping to works.. can tell me what game u try shows the mapping

ZiCott said:
Just connect it to the wireless Keyboard Mouse Combo, and you are ready for some Hi-Speed Gaming...
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Is that all you did with it? Because trying to run a browser on a big screen with a screen mirror is terrible when you have the status bar that's like an inch tall, and then all the fonts are ridiculously sized way too big. Basically it's useless for email or browsing on a bigger screen since it doesn't work as a second screen but just a screen mirror.

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Is that all you did with it? Because trying to run a browser on a big screen with a screen mirror is terrible when you have the status bar that's like an inch tall, and then all the fonts are ridiculously sized way too big. Basically it's useless for email or browsing on a bigger screen since it doesn't work as a second screen but just a screen mirror.
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Dear Sean, I don't know which external monitor you are using, but I recommend you enable developer options on the device.
In developer options there is DRAWING, Simulate Secondary Display, and select the resolution your monitors supports. Let up know how that works out for you.
I have a Tablet, and a laptop for email, and web browsing. TBH...
In general I don't think Android was developed properly for the large screen size, and that's why it has never taken off. Samsung is trying with their DEX, but the RoG was designed for gaming on the large screen.
ASUS also offers the DESKTOP DOCK, maybe that will offer additional display options, but that was just out of my budget.
ZiCott

It's a 30 inch Dell 2k display, but I expect to plug it into any random 24inch display. There aren't really a lot of differences between the pro dock and the desktop dock, the desktop has a lot more ports and does enable a second screen experience but it's still a small screen android experience on a much larger screen, so about the same. I just decided to go the root route and get an actual Linux distro on with Linux Deploy. What it's doing, once I figured that out, is running a VM on the device and then you remote connect to with VNC from the device itself or any other device on the network. That's kinda nice because it means the VM is running in the background and you can still use the phone as is. It also means that running the RealVNC app on the device on a big screen is a lot more useful as an actual desktop environment. What it doesn't mean however is that you're running on the local Linux that actually operates the device, which may be for the better if you don't want to try running an actual desktop class window manager on Android's flavor of Linux. Good news is, it appears to operate really quickly, but I haven't yet tried to get a web development environment running on it, that's next.

ZiCott said:
In developer options there is DRAWING, Simulate Secondary Display, and select the resolution your monitors supports. Let up know how that works out for you.
ZiCott
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Maybe I'm stupid and correct if I'm wrong but what exactly is that going to help with? It's not like I can just move over the simulated screen to the tv/monitor like you can do on a computer.

It just playing games on the larger screen, no need to tell me you're stupid, and you're not wrong. Merry Xmas

FYI I tried a 3rd party portable dock I had for my Switch and it worked (via side port) perfectly connected to my 55" 4K TV. I'm running Nova launcher and had no issues rotating my home screen to landscape. Saved myself about $100. Also had a $14 USB to LAN adapter connected. http://a.co/d/65jc58T http://a.co/d/bma6jOL

ZiCott said:
It just playing games on the larger screen, no need to tell me you're stupid, and you're not wrong. Merry Xmas
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That does not need to be toggled on to play games or even to view the phone itself as it just mimics a secondary screen on the current screen only. Doesn't fix the resolution for viewing or playing either.
On a side note, for people that want to fix the giant resolution there is an app for that lol it's called secondscreen (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farmerbb.secondscreen.free)
You can change the resolution for a connected display and then revert back to the phone screen resolution when you disconnect, change the dpi to around 180 when your connected display is on also as there is a tablet like ui that looks better imo.

Will this accessory work with any usb-c phone?
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randaddy said:
FYI I tried a 3rd party portable dock I had for my Switch and it worked (via side port) perfectly connected to my 55" 4K TV. I'm running Nova launcher and had no issues rotating my home screen to landscape. Saved myself about $100. Also had a $14 USB to LAN adapter connected. http://a.co/d/65jc58T http://a.co/d/bma6jOL
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Thank you.

Let us know which phone you have...
dibt359 said:
Will this accessory work with any usb-c phone?
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Thank you.
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Mileage may vary, but I have tested with Razer Phone 1, Lenovo X1, and also with RazerBlade 13", and works fine

Question: Can you sign in using a password, using the dock. Like can you type your password in using a keyboard in mouse? My screen is broken and I'm trying to get into the device.
I know this isn't where questions go but, I think the website is bugged it won't let me create a new topic or anything because "I'm not signed in" then when I click to sign it it says I am.

ZiCott said:
hello, if I use another brand dock instead of Asus professional dock or desktop dock, will the keyboard and mouse still work for gaming because Asus products are no longer sold, I couldn't find it anywhere??????
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Experience with AA Mirror on XZ1 Compact?

Hello,
I am asking if someone have some experience with AA Mirror (MirrorLink for not officially supported phones) on XZ1 Compact.
I am basically asking if someone have tried it, if it works or works reliable or not. Usage will be simple only for GPS navigation - Sygic. Nothing more.
Reason is that to get AA Mirror on XZ1 Compact i need to root and unlock bootloader on quite a new phone, that still have about 14 months of remaining warranty period. So I would like to know if its worth of it.
Any info will be appreciated!

I'd like to know this, too. I was going to get a MirrorLink screen this week until I realized this phone probably doesn't support it natively...anyway, does AA Mirror do anything non-rooted?

LowVolume said:
.anyway, does AA Mirror do anything non-rooted?
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I havent tried it, but since it needs low level USB access, I am sure it wont do anything, maybe not even install.
Problem is that MirrorLink support is really weak. Sony does not support it at all, and e. g. Samsung only on flagship models.
I still guess that I have to try it, not really appreciate it. I hoped that this forum section is more alive.

I have been using AA Mirror daily for the past 3 months. About one or two times a week the connection to Android auto is lost and I have to replug the phone in, or my car stops responding to touch response. This usually doesn't happen when I use regular AA apps. That's about the only issue I have and I haven't tried changing settings to fix it because it doesn't happen too often, everything works well enough for me to keep using it.
Edit: I'm actually using AAStream, a version that should fix some bugs

Joa012 said:
I have been using AA Mirror daily for the past 3 months. About one or two times a week the connection to Android auto is lost and I have to replug the phone in, or my car stops responding to touch response. This usually doesn't happen when I use regular AA apps. That's about the only issue I have and I haven't tried changing settings to fix it because it doesn't happen too often, everything works well enough for me to keep using it.
Edit: I'm actually using AAStream, a version that should fix some bugs
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All on XZ1 Compact? That s really cool to hear!
Were there any special steps for getting it work ? Except of root of course.

Ok, I just realized that this isn't actually MirrorLink. It's just outputs Android Auto, not MirrorLink. OP, you got my hopes up for nothing...
Anyway, my searching indicates that non-rooted AA Mirror kind of works for mirroring only. The touch input doesn't, so you have to do it via the phone screen.

LowVolume said:
Ok, I just realized that this isn't actually MirrorLink. It's just outputs Android Auto, not MirrorLink. OP, you got my hopes up for nothing...
Anyway, my searching indicates that non-rooted AA Mirror kind of works for mirroring only. The touch input doesn't, so you have to do it via the phone screen.
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I know that. As far as I searched, for full and true MirrorLink you need to have manufacturer support out of the box. No one actually figured how to implement this on other phones. I guess that it requires custom kernel module or something closed source.
AA Mirror or AA Stream is sort of solution for other phones, but it works as screen mirroring utility only (you have to control everything from phone, not from car). I really dont mind, especially for GPS I always set up destination or changing it while not driving. So basic screen mirror is enough.
I already installed AA Stream / AA mirror and it really requires root. Without it doesnt work, which I have expected.

HeliumX10 said:
All on XZ1 Compact? That s really cool to hear!
Were there any special steps for getting it work ? Except of root of course.
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Yes all on XZ1 compact. And no special steps, but have to add I'm on the LineageOS rom. Just never have been able to get Netflix working as they block screen output to another screen, but that's a different issue. It's not perfect, but it's the easiest thing I have been able to do after rooting my phone. I have way more issues with banking or McDonald's apps than with AA Stream Still worth it though. In fact so worth it I refused a free iPhone from work as I rather keep my compact for these 'features'

So I just got a car radio that supports mirroring over both USB debugging and MirrorLink and it works perfectly without root! Including touch input via the car's screen. The radio says MirrorLink ("P-Link"), but I assume it's doing it through USB debugging. Which makes sense, since that's the same way most Android remoting programs work on PC. I haven't tested the audio but I assume that works, too. It has a huge 7 inch screen and was pretty cheap, so it'll be perfect for navigation.

Joa012 said:
Yes all on XZ1 compact. And no special steps, but have to add I'm on the LineageOS rom. Just never have been able to get Netflix working as they block screen output to another screen, but that's a different issue. It's not perfect, but it's the easiest thing I have been able to do after rooting my phone. I have way more issues with banking or McDonald's apps than with AA Stream Still worth it though. In fact so worth it I refused a free iPhone from work as I rather keep my compact for these 'features'
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Thank you very much. this is really helpfull !!
I am also considering LineageOS 16.0 RC6, because if I understand properly, that if you dont backup DRM keys you will loose official Camera and other functionalities after root.
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So I just got a car radio that supports mirroring over both USB debugging and MirrorLink and it works perfectly without root! Including touch input via the car's screen. The radio says MirrorLink ("P-Link"), but I assume it's doing it through USB debugging. Which makes sense, since that's the same way most Android remoting programs work on PC. I haven't tested the audio but I assume that works, too. It has a huge 7 inch screen and was pretty cheap, so it'll be perfect for navigation.
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Lucky you!
But this will probably not work on stock car display unit (like original 7" Toyota system) which almost all supports MirrorLink only. I will try it You have some additional app for that? Or just checked Dev. options on and all OK?

No additional app. Just USB debugging enabled.

CarDroid Car PC - What is this?

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/cardroid-car-pc-android-auto-usb-computer-dongle#/
Is this just a basic Android device using some mirroring software? Would it be possible to do this with a phone?

CarDroid is not a mirror dongle. The link shared has a comparison chart. Mirroring dongles don't have their own operating system and you are pretty much stuck with Android Auto.
The CarDroid is an alternative to Android Auto as it has its own operating system and memory. Also, it doesn't require you to pair with your phone to "mirror" content on your screen. Apart from connecting to BT/Wifi, your phone is basically "set free" and not required to operate CarDroid.

Is it real? Safe to buy?

cesar2010 said:
Is it real? Safe to buy?
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I bought it this weekend. I hope it will be shipped...

Fishcat7 said:
I bought it this weekend. I hope it will be shipped...
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Here as well.
Let's see what happens with this thing.

take a video about using

at least on my car, I can not be connected to the car with Bluetooth and android auto at the same time. This could be an issue for me.

Witam i jak urządzenie dotarło? Jak działa jakieś filmiki?

There is this Italian video but it is not too much...

Hi guys,
I received this thing and I must say I am disappointed.
Concept is great and to be honest this is clone of Korean Fine Drive AI 2.
But as RayBomb says device hijack your Bluetooth connection with headunit and you cant use phone just for calling over headunit.
The other big issue is non functional GPS (or missing one I'm not sure).
The project owner is trying to override this with some workaround with GPS tether from your phone but in that case you don't need this device at all.
And cherry on the top.
While flashing it with new firmware it just stopped and now I have something nice looking usb stick.
Device is probably in boot loop and nothing cant see it on usb port. I would feel better if this was my first flashing. When I think a little it is my first time to flash something regular. Since today I was only flashing custom roms and rooted devices and something like this never happened.
My advice is to stay away from this.
Better investment is to make your dedicated AA phone or just to buy phone and root it and install screen2auto what actually I did and it is working like a charm. Bugger is that you need to connect your phone every time with cable but even that is better than non functional device like this.
Only my 2 cents.

Interesting, I'm going to keep my eye on this. It seems like it has potential if they can get the bugs worked out.
I'm using Screen2Auto on a 2 phone setup because I don't want to root my main phone, but it has some problems. Hopefully, they'll get this working.
If they can get it working as intended would you be able to do a Google Assistant search for a phone number and have it make a phone call through your phone?

It's a scam ...
https://www.reddit.com/r/AndroidAuto/comments/m1py7p
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I can confirm that Cardongle is removing critical reviews and negative comments from their Indiegogo comment section so that they can appear more legitimate and awesome.

DevAuto said:
It's a scam ...
https://www.reddit.com/r/AndroidAuto/comments/m1py7p
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I can confirm that Cardongle is removing critical reviews and negative comments from their Indiegogo comment section so that they can appear more legitimate and awesome.
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Exactly like you said.
I was the one refunded and removed after few comments they didnt like.
On their forum also lot of my comments are removed and as I sad I was the one who bricked device. My first brick after so many years without any chance to revive it.
Only thing I regret is that I didnt backed all apps from device with app monster because I like the feature you can use your own launcher like you are on your phone. No annoying AA with his launcher and restrictions what app you can use even when you patch it.
If your device is still alive can you investigate how did they do it yo use AA on headunit as a screen.
Sorry for my bad Enlish but I hope you understood what I meant to say.

CarPC AADongle add Android, GPS, 4G Mini PC to Car
Add Mini PC to Car. Download apps like Netflix from Playstore & emulate games. With GPS & 4G Option | Check out 'CarPC AADongle add Android, GPS, 4G Mini PC to Car' on Indiegogo.
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Any news about this scam ?

GPSSlovakia said:
CarPC AADongle add Android, GPS, 4G Mini PC to Car
Add Mini PC to Car. Download apps like Netflix from Playstore & emulate games. With GPS & 4G Option | Check out 'CarPC AADongle add Android, GPS, 4G Mini PC to Car' on Indiegogo.
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That appears to be different from the CarDongle but it looks similar.
Google CarPlay AI box. They use the wired CarPlay interface to project an Android OS on the car's infotainment screen. They are available now and have more features.