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any pouch like the one from nexus one?

I been using nexus one since it launch. Now i have nexus s, it seem like it missing something, the pouch. Anyone know a pouch that is simliar to the one from nexus one

skiesofwinds said:
I been using nexus one since it launch. Now i have nexus s, it seem like it missing something, the pouch. Anyone know a pouch that is simliar to the one from nexus one
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Nothing i've hear of tbh, but, I did find my old pouch and, suffice to say, that if the power button wasn't on the side (rather the top) it'd be perfect. I'm already starting to see microscopic scratched on the battery door. Thank you BBY for your Black Tie protection.

skiesofwinds said:
Anyone know a pouch that is simliar to the one from nexus one
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This may be what you need:
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/tech-21-d30-slip-pouch-for-google-nexus-s-black-p27179.htm
http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/ph...us-s-accessories/buy/TECH21-NEXUS-S-SLIP-CASE
I don't think it's neoprene like the Nexus One pouch; it looks to be more like faux leather. On the plus side it does have some kind of 'intelligent' shock absorbing molecules though, so if you're planning to drop your phone off a building then this is the case to get

I picked up a Sunglass Hut microfiber cloth pouch ($6.99). It prevents scratches and you can clean the phone when it's inside.

skiesofwinds said:
I been using nexus one since it launch. Now i have nexus s, it seem like it missing something, the pouch. Anyone know a pouch that is simliar to the one from nexus one
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I'm using my Nexus One pouch. You can find them on ebay just search for "neoprene case nexus one"
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isjr said:
I'm using my Nexus One pouch. You can find them on ebay just search for "neoprene case nexus one"
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I'm using mine too but, doesn't yours interfere with your power button? Mine is really tight so that might have something to do with it. Haha.
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zachthemaster said:
I'm using mine too but, doesn't yours interfere with your power button? Mine is really tight so that might have something to do with it. Haha.
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Yea After a while it will not interfere with the powere button, i usually just put it in the pouch up side down

Smilez_c said:
Yea After a while it will not interfere with the powere button, i usually just put it in the pouch up side down
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I just cut the corner of the sleeve so it doesn't hit the power button. It looks weird but it works just fine. that will hold me over until an otterbox comes out.
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BUILT pouch
I bought a neoprene pouch from BUILT and it's way nicer than my N1 case. Plus the Nexus S sits deeper in the BUILT vs. the N1 case.
I know it says for iPhone but it fits perfectly for the Nexus S.
I also know it's a little pricey but the quality is there and I haven't been disappointed.
Their website is builtny dot com

There's a pouch for $1.99 including shipping on ebay
I'm not allowed to put links until I have 8 posts in. lol.
Do a search on ebay for 'nexus s pouch'. I ordered one and am still waiting for it. Probably won't get it for a couple of weeks since it's being shipped from HK.

arkster said:
I'm not allowed to put links until I have 8 posts in. lol.
Do a search on ebay for 'nexus s pouch'. I ordered one and am still waiting for it. Probably won't get it for a couple of weeks since it's being shipped from HK.
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Is this the ones from Ebay that you were talking about? http://cgi.ebay.com/5-SUEDE-Android-Carry-Pouch-Cover-Case-f-Motorola-Phone-/350404045386?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item5195b56a4a#ht_3164wt_905
They come in a lot of colors I bought 2 of the neoprene ones, my friends wanted one after they saw the one that came with the Nexus One.

isjr said:
Is this the ones from Ebay that you were talking about?
They come in a lot of colors I bought 2 of the neoprene ones, my friends wanted one after they saw the one that came with the Nexus One.
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Not that one. If you search for 'BLACK Neoprene Pouch Case for Samsung Google Nexus S' on ebay, it'll return the exact item.

arkster said:
Not that one. If you search for 'BLACK Neoprene Pouch Case for Samsung Google Nexus S' on ebay, it'll return the exact item.
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"Does not have cushion lining"
i dont know if that is what i think it is, but ill wait to order after you get it. i want something just like the OEM HTC pouch.

where can I find a US version of that. That looks amazing and exactly what I had in mind

i just ordered one im torn between the samsung one and the nexus one.
http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages...377098092&images=377098092&formats=0&format=0
http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages...411471560&images=411471560&formats=0&format=0

charlieb620 said:
i just ordered one im torn between the samsung one and the nexus one.
http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages...377098092&images=377098092&formats=0&format=0
http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages...411471560&images=411471560&formats=0&format=0
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I got the one with the android logo, it doesn't cover the whole phone. When asked, the seller mentioned that its designed this way so the phone can be pulled from the top.

ykphuah said:
I got the one with the android logo, it doesn't cover the whole phone. When asked, the seller mentioned that its designed this way so the phone can be pulled from the top.
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That was the one I ordered as well. I guess I will be dissatisfied when I get it
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No love for the G1 pouch?
You can find it on Amazon, search: "g1 oem pouch"
This is my favorite by far. Works great with the Nexus S.

hicksology said:
No love for the G1 pouch?
You can find it on Amazon, search: "g1 oem pouch"
This is my favorite by far. Works great with the Nexus S.
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I had one but sold it with my g2
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Keyboard ?

My n7 gonna be in my hand tmr and it would be for school note, so im trying to find a good keyboard for this ? Any suggestion would be nice
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http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BLACK-US...2?pt=AU_TabletAccessories&hash=item4605c70d5a
i've got one of these. works fairly well, but can take a bit of getting used to.

I really like using my Microsoft Arc keyboard. It's pretty much full size, but I can't type anywhere near as fast on anything smaller. It's slick, light and has a carry pouch. Tiny dongle into USB OTG cable.
I also have a mini bluetooth keyboard that is about the size of my phone. It's ok, but not any great advantage over the on screen keyboard.

Out of all the bluetooth keyboards that I have seen, Logitech one is by far the best.

ajamils said:
Out of all the bluetooth keyboards that I have seen, Logitech one is by far the best.
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Like I posted in another tread, I found this keyboard on ebay significantly cheaper (open box)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Logitech-Bl...9778&pid=100015&prg=1017&rk=1&#ht_2660wt_1396

I'm using my old Galaxy Tab keyboard/case. Had to shim the bottom to get it centered in the case, but it works reasonably well.
http://www.amazon.com/eWonder-Wirel...24184&sr=8-2&keywords=ewonder+galaxy+tab+case

I still have the hp touchpad keyboard, it's pretty good to type on and light weight too, just not sure how to carry both together.

goku16 said:
My n7 gonna be in my hand tmr and it would be for school note, so im trying to find a good keyboard for this ? Any suggestion would be nice
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This keyboard is super cheap and at least one guy is claiming that it works great with his Nexus 7.
Has anyone else tried it?

theanand said:
I still have the hp touchpad keyboard, it's pretty good to type on and light weight too, just not sure how to carry both together.
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I've got one too. Great to haul around for note taking. It fits well in a bag since it's ~1/4" thick up until the battery compartment. Just wedge your N7 under the thin part and let the back of the keyboard sit off to the side.

Zoide_ said:
This keyboard is super cheap and at least one guy is claiming that it works great with his Nexus 7.
Has anyone else tried it?
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Just got another comment from the Amazon thread, and apparently it doesn't fit the Nexus 7 very well:
R. Brent says:
I also bought this keyboard to use with the Nexus 7. I'm a bit impressed with how usable it is, as long as I remember not to try and type quickly.
The Nexus 7 is not a good fit. The adjustable clip doesn't quite get tight enough, and the Nexus 7 will slide out from the sides. However, it does work to hold it upright.
For less than $10, I still think it was worth the price though.
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You know what would kick ass? A Microsoft Surface-like case - with a kickstand in the back and a hard cover in the front that is also a keyboard.
Sent from my Samsung Infuse 4G

Just saw a wireless keyboard and mouse on groupon for $29. I'd post a link but can't. If someone can find it it would be great to hear your thoughts. Ends in like 20 some hours lol
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Zoide_ said:
This keyboard is super cheap and at least one guy is claiming that it works great with his Nexus 7.
Has anyone else tried it?
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Zoide_ said:
Just got another comment from the Amazon thread, and apparently it doesn't fit the Nexus 7 very well:
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I purchased 3 different ones just like that. they all work with NeXus 7 no issues. The top arm moves up and down and fits the NeXus 7 just fine. I even have it with the NeXus7 case on it. then it becomes a tight fit.
But it does work, and for 10-15 bucks depending on which one you purchase.

Gunthermic said:
I purchased 3 different ones just like that. they all work with NeXus 7 no issues. The top arm moves up and down and fits the NeXus 7 just fine. I even have it with the NeXus7 case on it. then it becomes a tight fit.
But it does work, and for 10-15 bucks depending on which one you purchase.
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Which ones d you have?
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Gunthermic said:
I purchased 3 different ones just like that. they all work with NeXus 7 no issues. The top arm moves up and down and fits the NeXus 7 just fine. I even have it with the NeXus7 case on it. then it becomes a tight fit.
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Naw, not quite:
If you turn the case sidewise, the Nexus slides out. Keeping the Nexus inside its case makes it a good fit though.

Crassy View Flip Case

Anyone have this case?
It is a flip cover that covers the entire phone and has the cutout in the front.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Crassy-View...Cell_Phone_PDA_Cases&var=&hash=item4d0e2eb572

Somebody linked a similar case that the whole from flip was translucent and you could even operate the screen through it. Seems like a much better alternative to this. I dunno what the slot is meant to do here, only giving you access to an inch of the screen?
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LittleRedDot said:
I dunno what the slot is meant to do here, only giving you access to an inch of the screen?
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Same thing the slot on the official s-view cover for the s4 does. Its supposed to show you the time/notifications without flipping it open.
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Does it work like the S4 on our Note2?

legionxx said:
Does it work like the S4 on our Note2?
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Not really, it'll show the time though if that's what you have set up on your lockscreen

They have Galaxy S4 printed on the front though lol.
-Duly GNOTE2'd
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LittleRedDot said:
Somebody linked a similar case that the whole from flip was translucent and you could even operate the screen through it. Seems like a much better alternative to this. I dunno what the slot is meant to do here, only giving you access to an inch of the screen?
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I think this is the case you're talking about.
http://www.itskins.com/product/advanced-back-covers/lava_196_en.html?pb=71&pc=2
I ordered one a few days ago, but I have no idea where it's coming from or when it's gonna be here lol. I'll report back here when i get it.
-Duly GNOTE2'd

lhkjohn said:
I think this is the case you're talking about.
http://www.itskins.com/product/advanced-back-covers/lava_196_en.html?pb=71&pc=2
I ordered one a few days ago, but I have no idea where it's coming from or when it's gonna be here lol. I'll report back here when i get it.
-Duly GNOTE2'd
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That's actually kinda cool! Looking forward to a thread with pictures and your thoughts on it once you get it!
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lhkjohn said:
They have Galaxy S4 printed on the front though lol.
-Duly GNOTE2'd
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I think this is the case you're talking about.
http://www.itskins.com/product/advanced-back-covers/lava_196_en.html?pb=71&pc=2
I ordered one a few days ago, but I have no idea where it's coming from or when it's gonna be here lol. I'll report back here when i get it.
-Duly GNOTE2'd
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Shipping is expensive to nyc. It came out to be around 38 dollars. =\

rubberwheels said:
Shipping is expensive to nyc. It came out to be around 38 dollars. =\
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Yeah, same thing here to Southern California. I've been eying it since even before I got my Note, so I don't mind paying extra for shipping. Besides, an Otterbox is roughly that much.
-Duly GNOTE2'd

Leather pouches

Anyone know of a leather pouch made for the M8 yet? I had a Sena case for my Note. I'm hoping I can find something for this as I really don't want to put such a nice phone in an ugly case.

http://www.htcaccessories.com.au/PO_S650.aspx

I will share it here once i find one.

Looks like it fits a bunch of devices..I don't trust it. My sena case was built specifically for my note, fit perfectly, and would never let my phone skip out on accident.
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Yes i've been looking daily for a pouch.. (since i got the phone on 6 days ago lol)

I picked up this from Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CMRA06S/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It's originally for the HTC One M7. I use it with my Dot View case. It's a bit snug, but it fits. It's been working out a lot better after working it out for a few days. The package smell on the pouch is a little strong, but otherwise I'm pretty happy with the look and build quality. FYI, it's a belt clip, not sure if that's what you're looking for.

I emailed sena cases about this.. they said they'd look into it if they get more attention about the phone. I'd suggest you guys do they same if you're interested. They already made cases for the older ones so hopefully they will for this too.
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I just got a Krussel 5x case that's a little too big but works. Quality leather and I owned a 3x size with no problems.
I wonder if a 4x will work.
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This pouch case is from Noreve. I have ordered many cases from this company and they have been super well made. And if there ever was an issue, they replaced mine without a problem. Highly recommend this company for quality and excellent fit.
http://www.noreve.com/langue/en/product/HTC_One_M8_Tradition_C_leather_case.html

mayad79 said:
I just got a Krussel 5x case that's a little too big but works. Quality leather and I owned a 3x size with no problems.
I wonder if a 4x will work.
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Krussel's web site says the Hector 4xl is the right one for the M8, but according to the published interior dimensions it is 1.5mm short on width and height.
Alan
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Just ordered this http://m.ebay.com/itm/161270101427?nav=SEARCH

And I've just bought this:- https://www.etsy.com/

I ordered this one yesterday, not made for the M8 but the dimensions are right there with it.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H99LRCA/

II-XeenoX-II said:
I ordered this one yesterday, not made for the M8 but the dimensions are right there with it.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H99LRCA/
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Let us know how this one fits when you get it. I was thinking about buying this exact pouch.
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croques said:
And I've just bought this:- https://www.etsy.com/
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I like the green accent on this one.

II-XeenoX-II said:
I ordered this one yesterday, not made for the M8 but the dimensions are right there with it.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H99LRCA/
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Looks good.
When it arrives, Can you post some pics with your M8 fully in the case so we can see the fit. Thanks.
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its_dale said:
Just ordered this http://m.ebay.com/itm/161270101427?nav=SEARCH
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Let us know the quality when it arrives. It doesn't say genuine leather.
Good slim case though.

eep02b said:
Let us know how this one fits when you get it. I was thinking about buying this exact pouch.
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globalgpj said:
Looks good.
When it arrives, Can you post some pics with your M8 fully in the case so we can see the fit. Thanks.
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Looks like it will be a while before I can post results if the date of arrival is correct. Looks like it wont get to me until May 25th :[

II-XeenoX-II said:
Looks like it will be a while before I can post results if the date of arrival is correct. Looks like it wont get to me until May 25th :[
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I always use these pouches for my phones:
http://www.bags4u.eu/
Perfect fit and great quality.
Emailed them and they're expecting the first items for the new One within the next 2 weeks.

croques said:
And I've just bought this:- https://www.etsy.com/
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Wow, these look really nice. The lava(gray)/petrol(dark blue) combination with a cc slot is really tempting me but it isn't cheap. Post pics when you get yours please.
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I'm waiting for the sena ultra slim.
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It's me or the the HTC dot view case is kind useless

I love the idea for HTC and I really love the case, however I found kind annoying these days, why? Because the front flip cover it's annoying,I need take off the case to put into my car (generic dock ) i can't take a photo (front or back with one hand,I used to use the phone with one hand and now it's almost impossible,i hate the “automatic close“behavior from the case but I hate more the annoying that could be it's me or everyone hate this?
I guess i need to move to another case, recommendations?
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zen kun said:
I love the idea for HTC and I really love the case, however I found kind annoying these days, why? Because the front flip cover it's annoying,I need take off the case to put into my car (generic dock ) i can't take a photo (front or back with one hand,I used to use the phone with one hand and now it's almost impossible,i hate the “automatic close“behavior from the case but I hate more the annoying that could be it's me or everyone hate this?
I guess i need to move to another case, recommendations?
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A) You need to remove any case to dock the device.
B) The case has a sole purpose to be useful closed.
C) After about a week you get used to how it works and manage to use your device as you normally would.
D) If it didn't snap closed, there would be a thread with someone complaining about how it's a POS case that won't snap closed, what a rip off.
E) It can be an annoying case sometimes, yes. The benefits outweigh the annoyances for me though.

zen kun said:
I love the idea for HTC and I really love the case, however I found kind annoying these days, why? Because the front flip cover it's annoying,I need take off the case to put into my car (generic dock ) i can't take a photo (front or back with one hand,I used to use the phone with one hand and now it's almost impossible,i hate the “automatic close“behavior from the case but I hate more the annoying that could be it's me or everyone hate this?
I guess i need to move to another case, recommendations?
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I looked at it in the store for about 2s before I decided I didn't like it. I get the concept, but if you're trying to just look at something quickly, it can be hard to make out what the dot view case is displaying.
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umjammerlammy said:
A) You need to remove any case to dock the device.
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Not true, at least not with all non-M8 specific car docks.

sfreemanoh said:
I looked at it in the store for about 2s before I decided I didn't like it. I get the concept, but if you're trying to just look at something quickly, it can be hard to make out what the dot view case is displaying.
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This is painfully true.
There are a bunch of cases available now though.

I'm really surprised that there have been no third party cases that make use of Dot View. Really hope we start to see some.
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i love the case and yeah like the post above, its painful do something quick or one handed i will read the case thread

I found that after heavy use the case became easy to work with and feel good in one handed text with it balancing
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I flip mine open after I pull it out of my pocket if I'm not using it to view notifications, and just let it pop itself closed when I'm done. I like it, never have to look at the lockscreen again.
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I think it's a cool case, but one of the things I like in a case is a kickstand. I'm a fan of the iBlason case: http://www.i-blason.com/prime-dual-layer-holster-case-with-kick-stand-for-htc-one-m8.html

zen kun said:
I love the idea for HTC and I really love the case, however I found kind annoying these days, why? Because the front flip cover it's annoying,I need take off the case to put into my car (generic dock ) i can't take a photo (front or back with one hand,I used to use the phone with one hand and now it's almost impossible,i hate the “automatic close“behavior from the case but I hate more the annoying that could be it's me or everyone hate this?
I guess i need to move to another case, recommendations?
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The best case I have found for this phone, is the Case-Mate barely there case.
http://www.case-mate.com/htc-one-m8-cases/case-mate-htc-one-m8-barely-there-case.asp

andybones said:
The best case I have found for this phone, is the Case-Mate barely there case.
http://www.case-mate.com/htc-one-m8-cases/case-mate-htc-one-m8-barely-there-case.asp
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Looks nice i will see if I can get one to my country, and I love the sensation of naked m8 however I want keep in good condition
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I absolutely love my dot view case.
The cover keeps me from worrying about scratches and dirt on the screen, the quick time and notification view are both nice, but the real awesome feature is the swipe for voice command feature. I use it all the time to make calls.
The flap comes in handy when you're playing a game, as it sort of tilts the device toward you for better viewing angles.
True, you have to remove the case to take a good video or a very steady picture, but the case is super easy to get in and out of.
I really don't have any complaints about mine!

zen kun said:
Looks nice i will see if I can get one to my country, and I love the sensation of naked m8 however I want keep in good condition
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The barely there is nice. I'm using one. It probably won't help much if you dropped it but it will keep the sides and back scratch free.
I kind of risk assessed my probability of dropping. It's not something that's happened to me too often thankfully. I'm always conscious when handling it.
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Chris_c81 said:
The barely there is nice. I'm using one. It probably won't help much if you dropped it but it will keep the sides and back scratch free.
I kind of risk assessed my probability of dropping. It's not something that's happened to me too often thankfully. I'm always conscious when handling it.
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That's exactly why I got mine. I always have my phone sitting on a table so I want to keep the back from getting scratched.

Just never set it on your lap while driving.
You remember it's there after you get out and it falls to the pavement. :/

umjammerlammy said:
Just never set it on your lap while driving.
You remember it's there after you get out and it falls to the pavement. :/
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I keep my phone in the cup holder or under my thigh if I do use it.
Well we don't have your phone out while driving anyway, right?

kontradictions said:
I keep my phone in the cup holder or under my thigh if I do use it.
Well we don't have your phone out while driving anyway, right?
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Nope, never......
I usually have a beer in that free hand.

umjammerlammy said:
Nope, never......
I usually have a beer in that free hand.
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well i avoid the drops, however.. **** happens!!!
BTW the dot view case can resist the drops? or just like another cases?
well besides it can protect the screen

umjammerlammy said:
A) You need to remove any case to dock the device.
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My Poetic Atmosphere doesn't need to be removed in order for me to snap it into my iottie easy one touch.
Which i was shocked personally that the M8 would fit in it, i thought i'd have to get the XL version.

projectD said:
My Poetic Atmosphere doesn't need to be removed in order for me to snap it into my iottie easy one touch.
Which i was shocked personally that the M8 would fit in it, i thought i'd have to get the XL version.
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Link?