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My thoughts on Nexus devices and Google Edition Phones.

I just bought my Nexus 4 not long ago. I am really impressed by how this phone is designed and how it functions despite of the flaws it has. It came shipping with the latest Android 4.2.2(maybe not anymore).
Then i recalled Google's policy about phones only having 18 months of Android Support(something like that). Anything more than that, either rely on this forum for newer versions of Android or get a new phone.
Then with Samsung Galaxy S4 and HTC One releasing their own Google Edition types. I was just wondering did Google ditch their Nexus fans for these alternatives.
I mean....Nexus 4 is nearly an 8 months old device. Only 10 more months to go and who knows whether this device can live till the next Google I/O for its next major upgrade of Android. Maybe Google foresaw this coming and hence decided to release Galaxy S4 and One's Google Edition?
What do you guys think?
Sent from My Nexus 4 with Vanilla Android! Not those *****y phones who called themselves Google Editions!

They're Google editions not nexus and they're what people have been requesting for years.
Just sick that Samsung leak 4.3 before we have it, that stinks

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How I feel: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2340879

CalamitySir said:
I just bought my Nexus 4 not long ago. I am really impressed by how this phone is designed and how it functions despite of the flaws it has. It came shipping with the latest Android 4.2.2(maybe not anymore).
Then i recalled Google's policy about phones only having 18 months of Android Support(something like that). Anything more than that, either rely on this forum for newer versions of Android or get a new phone.
Then with Samsung Galaxy S4 and HTC One releasing their own Google Edition types. I was just wondering did Google ditch their Nexus fans for these alternatives.
I mean....Nexus 4 is nearly an 8 months old device. Only 10 more months to go and who knows whether this device can live till the next Google I/O for its next major upgrade of Android. Maybe Google foresaw this coming and hence decided to release Galaxy S4 and One's Google Edition?
What do you guys think?
Sent from My Nexus 4 with Vanilla Android! Not those *****y phones who called themselves Google Editions!
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Google has said they won't stop Nexus program. This GE program is still OEM dependent. The upgrades will come from OEM and not Google.
Also these devices won't be part of AOSP like Nexus devices are.
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How I feel: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2340879
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Sent from My Nexus 4 with Vanilla Android! Not those *****y phones who called themselves Google Editions!
OMG! I am so sorry I didn't see your thread and I opened a new one. But we have the same idea/thinking. And you are really right they are junks. I am just wondering how Google is going to repay us Nexus fans looking at how badly timed their I/O as it usually happens around the middle of the year. And this device is going to be so called "expired" by next year April.
Is Nexus 4 going to only have 4.3(upcoming) as its latest version looking at how it is only a minor upgrade compared to the previous nexus devices.
What I really hope is that Google can launch 5.0(maybe) before Nexus 4 go into retirement although I know that we still have this community to count on for future Android upgrades. If they don't release it by then, I am really going to be having doubts about their treatment to us Nexus fans.

atulalvenkar said:
Google has said they won't stop Nexus program. This GE program is still OEM dependent. The upgrades will come from OEM and not Google.
Also these devices won't be part of AOSP like Nexus devices are.
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OK I didn't read up on that part. Let's just hope those OEM continue to support their own skinned Android while leaving these behind.
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CalamitySir said:
And you are really right they are junks. I am just wondering how Google is going to repay us Nexus fans looking at how badly timed their I/O as it usually happens around the middle of the year.
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Repay you for what? How was Google I/O badly timed? It is around the same time every year.

My GSM Galaxy Nexus is beyond its 18-month update window so if it gets 4.3, then Google may continue support beyond that window.
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The devices will be buildable in aosp for a good while, so don't be worried. A quad core phone with 2gb ram isn't losing support any time soon. Especially a nexus. My crespo has 4.2, and it shipped with GB..... Think of it like that.
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rubiconjp said:
My GSM Galaxy Nexus is beyond its 18-month update window so if it gets 4.3, then Google may continue support beyond that window.
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From a technical point of view it will get 4.3 and KLP, the hardware is powerful enough if it can handle 4.2.2.
On the other side there is of course the $$$ for support of such old devices...

bozzykid said:
Repay you for what? How was Google I/O badly timed? It is around the same time every year.
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I know its around the same time every year but Nexus 4 had a bad release date looking that this year I/O didn't release any new Android and the next one we are getting is only 4.3.
If we traced it forward, the next I/O should be around June next year which is already over the date of Google Support. Which means we won't be getting the next version after 4.3 officially but ofc we can still rely on our Devs here for their future builds(big thanks to them!!)
Unless, they are going to have their next major upgrade officially before next year I/O. If not they are just betraying us by telling us to get a new Nexus Device and only upgrading it once and its a minor one too(mainly under the hood stuffs).
Which leads me to think they are using better phones with better sales(fact) to continue their line of Android upgrades because it was badly timed. OK maybe partially due to the hurricane last year and they had to pull it back.
Sent from My Nexus 4 with Vanilla Android! Not those *****y phones who called themselves Google Editions!

CalamitySir said:
I know its around the same time every year but Nexus 4 had a bad release date looking that this year I/O didn't release any new Android and the next one we are getting is only 4.3.
If we traced it forward, the next I/O should be around June next year which is already over the date of Google Support. Which means we won't be getting the next version after 4.3 officially but ofc we can still rely on our Devs here for their future builds(big thanks to them!!)
Unless, they are going to have their next major upgrade officially before next year I/O. If not they are just betraying us by telling us to get a new Nexus Device and only upgrading it once and its a minor one too(mainly under the hood stuffs).
Which leads me to think they are using better phones with better sales(fact) to continue their line of Android upgrades because it was badly timed. OK maybe partially due to the hurricane last year and they had to pull it back.
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No offense mate, but this is just a pile of bullsh*t.
Literally nothing of the above makes any sense.
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No idea what the OP means by "over the date of Google Support"...
There was some time ago a move by Google to convince OEMs (!) to support their phones 18months after release, this was of course nothing binding, but more like a "recommendation" by Google.
Google never said there is a time-frame for Nexus support, until the phones hardware can support a new Release, there will be AOSP support for it.

Testraindrop said:
No idea what the OP means by "over the date of Google Support"...
There was some time ago a move by Google to convince OEMs (!) to support their phones 18months after release, this was of course nothing binding, but more like a "recommendation" by Google.
Google never said there is a time-frame for Nexus support, until the phones hardware can support a new Release, there will be AOSP support for it.
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Ya I'm not quite sure where the OP is getting his/ her info from either..
Google will continue to support the Nexus line so long as the hardware is compatible with the software..
Google did I/0 right this year as its a developer conference and shouldn't be used for new products IMHO..

Testraindrop said:
No idea what the OP means by "over the date of Google Support"...
There was some time ago a move by Google to convince OEMs (!) to support their phones 18months after release, this was of course nothing binding, but more like a "recommendation" by Google.
Google never said there is a time-frame for Nexus support, until the phones hardware can support a new Release, there will be AOSP support for it.
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This. The op is confused.
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CalamitySir said:
I know its around the same time every year but Nexus 4 had a bad release date looking that this year I/O didn't release any new Android and the next one we are getting is only 4.3.
If we traced it forward, the next I/O should be around June next year which is already over the date of Google Support. Which means we won't be getting the next version after 4.3 officially but ofc we can still rely on our Devs here for their future builds(big thanks to them!!)
Unless, they are going to have their next major upgrade officially before next year I/O. If not they are just betraying us by telling us to get a new Nexus Device and only upgrading it once and its a minor one too(mainly under the hood stuffs).
Which leads me to think they are using better phones with better sales(fact) to continue their line of Android upgrades because it was badly timed. OK maybe partially due to the hurricane last year and they had to pull it back.
Sent from My Nexus 4 with Vanilla Android! Not those *****y phones who called themselves Google Editions!
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and you ideas are based on your imagination/creativity?
i/o is not when they release new nexus phones, nor is it a set date for android releases.

N7 OTA updates?

Is it my imagination, or has the Nexus 7 gone the way of most Android devices? The development cycle is so tight that anything over a few months old gets cut loose and never sees another update. This seems like a rampant issue. My Galaxy Tab 10.1 will probably never see another update either, and definitely will never see JB. Tablets seem worse than phones too. Someone correct me if I'm way off base here. I completely understand how this has happened, but I don't have to like it. And I wonder how consumers can influence this situation. What is worse, the Nexus 7 has not been superseded by another product yet, and still the updates seem to have completely stopped. I must say that Apple is somewhat better about supporting it's hardware longer too.

What updates are you expecting? There have been no newer versions of Android yet. Not really sure what updates there could be when nothing as been added to Android...
I mean come on, this is a damn Nexus device....it will get the next update...

Pirateghost said:
What updates are you expecting? There have been no newer versions of Android yet. Not really sure what updates there could be when nothing as been added to Android...
I mean come on, this is a damn Nexus device....it will get the next update...
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Not sure I believe we will ever see another OTA update on N7. And I would be disappointed to think that no bug fixes have been found since the last OTA. Then again I doubt anyone will ever push another update to a N7. It's now like my Galaxy Tab 10.1, it "works" so why fix it. By the time a new version worth pushing arrives, the N7 will be incapable of running it. Just my opinion based on past history.

mntbighker said:
Not sure I believe we will ever see another OTA update on N7. And I would be disappointed to think that no bug fixes have been found since the last OTA. Then again I doubt anyone will ever push another update to a N7. It's now like my Galaxy Tab 10.1, it "works" so why fix it. By the time a new version worth pushing arrives, the N7 will be incapable of running it. Just my opinion based on past history.
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Past history with non-nexus devices!! LOL
What are you going on about? Nexus devices get updates faster than any other devices....and longer support than other devices.
What color are the clouds in your world?
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mntbighker said:
Not sure I believe we will ever see another OTA update on N7. And I would be disappointed to think that no bug fixes have been found since the last OTA. Then again I doubt anyone will ever push another update to a N7. It's now like my Galaxy Tab 10.1, it "works" so why fix it. By the time a new version worth pushing arrives, the N7 will be incapable of running it. Just my opinion based on past history.
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The Nexus 7 is marketed and monitored directly by Google. As soon as Google releases another version of Android publicly (i.e., a stable release with less bugs), then you will be guaranteed to get it before any other device. This is one of the major benefits to owning a Nexus device.
In addition, just because bugs are identified and there may be a rumored fix with it, many good devs will continue to monitor their fix, test it, and see how it does; ensuring that the fix does not create a more bugs (in quantity and severity) than there were in a previous build.
Patience is a virtue. There's a reason why this saying is an aphorism.

Pirateghost said:
What updates are you expecting? There have been no newer versions of Android yet. Not really sure what updates there could be when nothing as been added to Android...
I mean come on, this is a damn Nexus device....it will get the next update...
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kj2112 said:
What color are the clouds in your world?
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Apparently pretty dark :crying:

mntbighker said:
Apparently pretty dark :crying:
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Just....wow! Lol
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TheAltruistic said:
The Nexus 7 is marketed and monitored directly by Google. As soon as Google releases another version of Android publicly (i.e., a stable release with less bugs), then you will be guaranteed to get it before any other device. This is one of the major benefits to owning a Nexus device.
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I think the Nexus "8" will be out by then and the 7 will be deemed too anemic to run the newer software. As I said, it was just an observation of a phenomenon with the hardware development cycle we have with Android. And yes, the situation is way worse with non-Nexus devices. My Sprint HTC One is pretty buggy and the phones generally seem to all have bugs that may eventually get fixed. But more often than not they just move on to the next big thing and you just have to live with the bugs until you replace the phone and get a whole new list of bugs. You can ROM the phone and sacrifice features along with different bugs of course. Consumer demand has shaped things such that there are never resources to really get existing devices locked down and bug free. There is no incentive for developers to work on existing devices, but always to develop for the next thing going out the door. Apparently there is a known bug in my HTC One that has to do with an incorrectly located file directory causing horrible battery issues. Weeks or months go by with no OTA to fix it.

Google wants every OEM to support devices for at least 18 months, so you can bet that nexus devices will get at least that and probably longer. I'm about 99% sure that the Nexus 7 will get key lime pie at least.
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awesome....so you base all your knowledge of android on touchwiz and sense tainted devices....cool....but it doesnt work that way in nexus land.

I definitely think you should sell your n7 and get one of those awesome no name tabs everyone loves!! I'm sure they will be updated frequently and quickly!! I think some already have key lime pie!!
Just my advice.
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:facepalm: :banghead:
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On top of there being nothing new in the world of android for the N7 to be updated to, I'm also curious on what "bugs" the op thinks need fixed?
I'm running latest rasbean on my phone and stock 4.2.2 on the 7 and have literally no bugs on either. Completely functional and stable (neither device has even been rebooted in almost 3 weeks).
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There are bugs, fixes and new features in almost every release: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history
Look at the release dates to determine if releases are frequent enough.
Sometimes preventing an OTA update to a Nexus 7 device can be the challenge. Lol!
(still running 4.1.2 on my N7)

I got a Windows Phone 7 and Windows 8 RT Surface so I can experience obsolescence instead of updates. LOL
My two Nexus 7, one Grouper and one Tilapia, will be merrily updated to every new version of Android. I can't wait for more *fragmentation* with the next Android release.
Sorry gotta go run with the low information crowd, there is a protest nearby. ...

Thread is silly. Sorry OP.
Nexus One - Released with 2.1, EOL with 2.3.6 (2010 - 2011)
Nexus S - Released with 2.3, EOL with 4.1 (2010 - 2012)
Galaxy Nexus - Released with 4.0, still supported
Nexus 4 - Released with 4.2, still supported
Nexus 7 - Released with 4.1, still supported
Nexus 10 - Released with 4.2, still supported
Every device has made it through a year's worth at the very least, and that's starting with the Nexus One. At the time when the Nexus One was released, phone hardware was changing almost faster than it is now, and it still got quite a run of updates.
Please do some research before whining. The Nexus 7 hasn't seen an update as of now because there's no update to see.

Pirateghost said:
awesome....so you base all your knowledge of android on touchwiz and sense tainted devices....cool....but it doesnt work that way in nexus land.
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I had a Galaxy Nexus as well. Actually, the phone I had with the least bugs by the time I traded "up" was probably the Droid X. The Droid X2 was god awful by comparison.
Do you count the Google HTC One and Google Galaxy S4 as "Nexus Land"?

mntbighker said:
I had a Galaxy Nexus as well. Actually, the phone I had with the least bugs by the time I traded "up" was probably the Droid X. The Droid X2 was god awful by comparison.
Do you count the Google HTC One and Google Galaxy S4 as "Nexus Land"?
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Bad idea if current information is anything to go by. Google doesn't really seem to be doing altogether much more to support these two devices than it does for most-- it'll send the builds of Android as appropriate to the OEMs but it'll be up to them to actually tune everything.

mntbighker said:
I had a Galaxy Nexus as well. Actually, the phone I had with the least bugs by the time I traded "up" was probably the Droid X. The Droid X2 was god awful by comparison.
Do you count the Google HTC One and Google Galaxy S4 as "Nexus Land"?
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Your problem there is. Verizon.
No. The Google edition phones are not nexus devices.. At all.
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Pirateghost said:
Your problem there is. Verizon.
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Well, now I have done a complete 180. I have a Sprint HTC One from Ting.com. My bill is a fourth what it was with Verizon or AT&T and I rely mostly on WiFi/VOIP service. Too bad the HTC One is so terrible at holding onto a WiFi signal. I may have to switch back to a Samsung device if Sprint can't resolve this. Ting does support the Galaxy Nexus, among other Samsung phones.
Around here Verizon does have the best coverage BY FAR though.

Google Nexus 5 software updates vs. iPhone update speed

iOS 7 was released on September 18, 2013.
7.0.1 came out September 19.
7.0.2 came out September 26.
7.0.3 came out October 22.
7.0.4 came out November 14.
That's 4 updates in 2 months. Three in the (approximately) first month.
KitKat came out October 31. No updates so far, over a month in.
I understand that you might respond, "well iOS needs so many updates because it has so many bugs." And that might be true. But unquestionably, KitKat has some things that could be adjusted (at a minimum, it'd be nice if they tweaked the volume a little bit on the N5). And surely there are various bugs that could be fixed.
Is this pretty typical? I can't help but wonder why Google takes so long to push out updates, even if they are minor. I'd rather get a couple of minor updates over the course of a month or two than to have to wait 3 or 4 months for a single, bigger update.

A couple of those updates were for security issues that HAD to be updated quickly, considering the bad press they were getting.

speedyink said:
A couple of those updates were for security issues that HAD to be updated quickly, considering the bad press they were getting.
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^Sums it up, it'd be a big deal if they were major updates like 7.1.x etc. but like @speedyink said they were just security patches

phositadc said:
I'd rather get a couple of minor updates over the course of a month or two than to have to wait 3 or 4 months for a single, bigger update.
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We don't always get what we want.
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phositadc said:
iOS 7 was released on September 18, 2013.
7.0.1 came out September 19.
7.0.2 came out September 26.
7.0.3 came out October 22.
7.0.4 came out November 14.
That's 4 updates in 2 months. Three in the (approximately) first month.
KitKat came out October 31. No updates so far, over a month in.
I understand that you might respond, "well iOS needs so many updates because it has so many bugs." And that might be true. But unquestionably, KitKat has some things that could be adjusted (at a minimum, it'd be nice if they tweaked the volume a little bit on the N5). And surely there are various bugs that could be fixed.
Is this pretty typical? I can't help but wonder why Google takes so long to push out updates, even if they are minor. I'd rather get a couple of minor updates over the course of a month or two than to have to wait 3 or 4 months for a single, bigger update.
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i dont get these android vs ios threads. if your unhappy, go back to ios then. you dont need to keep looking for reasons.
Google does it this way because it works for them, i honestly dont see a problem with it. whatever bugs that are on stock are usually fixed on a custom rom. Try doing that with an iphone

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Whatever bugs that are on stock are usually fixed on a custom rom. Try doing that with an iphone.
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Not trying to hate on custom roms, but most of them have their own bugs and are not for the everyday user. Some might say the N5 is developer phone but it works on Sprint, AT&T and T-Mobile and I know Sprint is selling it on contract to average users.
The main issue with the N5 is obviously the camera. I can't even use some apps anymore and the camera breaks to a green screen while using those apps. I know the fix is coming, but it's kinda annoying to have to reboot my phone every 30 minutes to be able to send snapchats or use the camera again. Also hearing so many stories about people returning an otherwise great phone because they cant get the camera to work. So I guess I semi-agree with the OP that Google needs to fix some things now, but can also understand why they haven't yet.
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if your unhappy, go back to ios then. you dont need to keep looking for reasons.
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I think all he was trying to say was that he wished Google was a tiny tiny little bit like Apple sometimes. If this was the IPhone 5 they would be getting murdered by the media. Not necessarily unhappy with the phone or Google's services, just patiently waiting for a fix on a few crucial things.

Updates will come when they're ready. I know I don't want an update for the sake of getting a update. Too many times I've seen stuff rushed to fix something and break many other things.
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adio01 said:
Not trying to hate on custom roms, but most of them have their own bugs and are not for the everyday user. Some might say the N5 is developer phone but it works on Sprint, AT&T and T-Mobile and I know Sprint is selling it on contract to average users.
The main issue with the N5 is obviously the camera. I can't even use some apps anymore and the camera breaks to a green screen while using those apps. I know the fix is coming, but it's kinda annoying to have to reboot my phone every 30 minutes to be able to send snapchats or use the camera again. Also hearing so many stories about people returning an otherwise great phone because they cant get the camera to work. So I guess I semi-agree with the OP that Google needs to fix some things now, but can also understand why they haven't yet.
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Bro, that's an example of something you don't say here at XDA. "Most of them have their own bugs" well duh! It's been about a month and ROMs take a few months to iron out all the issues. But when that stable or RC CM/AOKP/Beanstalk/Slim build comes out, there's no complaining. Simply good features and good speed. :victory:
Why shouldn't Google market it as a good smartphone for the average user? Just because it's a Nexus doesn't mean its destiny belongs at XDA...it's got good speed, stability, features and screen. What else could you wish for at the price of $349/399 or $450 on carrier?
It's not like iOS 7 was good upon release. You wanna see the lag on my iPad Mini that wasn't fixed until 7.0.3? Bro, there's no reason that they should be releasing anything that lags that hard on a major device that still constituted a major part of their lineup at ios7 release; simply unacceptable. The updates were methods of solving problems such as lag (it's much better now with Reduce Motion and Increase Contrast).
You're an XDA user man. Look around for a fix, don't just sit there. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2516061
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I understand that you might respond, "well iOS needs so many updates because it has so many bugs." And that might be true. But unquestionably, KitKat has some things that could be adjusted (at a minimum, it'd be nice if they tweaked the volume a little bit on the N5). And surely there are various bugs that could be fixed.
Is this pretty typical? I can't help but wonder why Google takes so long to push out updates, even if they are minor. I'd rather get a couple of minor updates over the course of a month or two than to have to wait 3 or 4 months for a single, bigger update.
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A software update won't magically melt the extra glue in your N5. It was already determined that speaker sound required a hardware modification. There is a fix for volume on the N5 already, I think Google is aware of this and might put it in 4.4.1.

droid_<3er said:
Bro, that's an example of something you don't say here at XDA. "Most of them have their own bugs" well duh! It's been about a month and ROMs take a few months to iron out all the issues. But when that stable or RC CM/AOKP/Beanstalk/Slim build comes out, there's no complaining. Simply good features and good speed. :victory:
Why shouldn't Google market it as a good smartphone for the average user? Just because it's a Nexus doesn't mean its destiny belongs at XDA...it's got good speed, stability, features and screen. What else could you wish for at the price of $349/399 or $450 on carrier?
It's not like iOS 7 was good upon release. You wanna see the lag on my iPad Mini that wasn't fixed until 7.0.3? Bro, there's no reason that they should be releasing anything that lags that hard on a major device that still constituted a major part of their lineup at ios7 release; simply unacceptable. The updates were methods of solving problems such as lag (it's much better now with Reduce Motion and Increase Contrast).
You're an XDA user man. Look around for a fix, don't just sit there. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2516061
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1) I didn't say custom roms don't get the bugs iron out i've been rooting/flashing for 4-5 years now and have used some amazing roms. I said they were not for the everyday user and if you don't know what you are doing it can be a hassle.
2) A lot of people argue that the Nexus 5 is a developer phone. I didn't say it was destined for XDA I almost said the exact opposite since average users are buying it.
3) Never said IOS 7 was good/bad nor have I ever used IOS. In your comparison though, lag vs. the entire camera not functioning.
4) I know how to search im just more of a lurker... and I've used that camera app before. The problem is not the quality of the image/camera and that is what that app is aiming to fix. I actually think the N5 is able to take great pictures in most situations. The problem with the camera is that while using apps that utilize the nexus's camera it will become unusable giving you a black/green screen with noise making the camera unusable until you reboot the phone.
I know the camera issue does not affect many users who do not use apps like snap-chat and a few others (or I think using face-unlock will also trigger this) but a lot of less tech savvy have been returning the phone thinking it doesn't function properly. For tech savvy users like us we know the new camera API is coming and can wait it out.
Also, they are exclusively featuring camera on the N5 in all of the commercials I have seen.
Funny story to go with this also. My GF suggested that I need to get a new phone since snap-chat doesn't work anymore... I just sort of laughed and said no way! But just thought it was an interesting perspective.

So who are these people returning their nexus 5 because of the camera? Are they in the n5 v g2 thread?
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I'm going to stop reading the general forum, all i see is people whining about this or that.
If you're not satisfied just return your device and get anything else.
To get back on topic, most of us don't give a flying F* about iOS around here
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All you are saying in the op is that Apple release sh1t software that needs fixing more than Google
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The nexus series is geared towards development end of story

I use snap chat every day many times a day and I do not have this green problem you speak of
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Shoopz said:
I use snap chat every day many times a day and I do not have this green problem you speak of
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I actually get that issue quite often. Occasionally its just a black screen and gives a camera error. Doesn't fix itself until the phones restarted. Stock / Rooted.

There are FAR more iOS 7 users than there are Android 4.4 users. When 400 million iOS 7 users have an issue—92% of all iOS users out there—a lot of people are affected. When 1 million Android 4.4 users have an issue—1% of all Android users out there—this is a very tiny portion of the Android ecosystem and Google does not feel they need to resolve issues timely. You can blame Google and the entire Android ecosystem for this.

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I'm going to stop reading the general forum, all i see is people whining about this or that.
If you're not satisfied just return your device and get anything else.
To get back on topic, most of us don't give a flying F* about iOS around here
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Not whining and I didn't say that i'm unhappy with the device or want to return it if that was directed towards me, just saying Google needs to fix a few things.
Advertising the Camera -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ0XTJqFLIE
Camera Problems -
http://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus5/comments/1rcc1f/issue_with_camera_crashing_on_nexus_5_running/
Camera Problems Confirmed -
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=61873#c79
And like I said the issue has been confirmed most of us are just waiting on them to rollout the update.
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I use snap chat every day many times a day and I do not have this green problem you speak of
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What rom do you have flashed?

They need to get an update for the n5 quick, to fix the 'bog roll' quality speaker which somehow manages to vibrate the phone more than the actual vibrator does.

There is a 4.4.1 update rolling out shortly. No link, but easily googled.
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It should probably be mentioned that Google have decoupled several apps from the core OS that in iOS would require an OS "update".
For example, Chrome is now a separate update whereas Safari in iOS is not. If security updates to the browser are required, Google just updates Chrome in the Play store, whereas Apple would release an OS "update" which may in reality only affect the browser.
I'm not saying that is always going to be the case, but it may explain some of the timing "differences".
EDIT: Here's a good example, from the iOS 7.0.4 update:
Bug fixes and improvements, including a fix for an issue that causes FaceTime calls to fail for some users.
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The Android equivalent of a Facetime fix would likely just be a new version of Hangouts on Play.
Regards,
Dave

New Android 4.4.3 Update Build KTU72B Under Testing

While most Android devices are still waiting on the update to*Android 4.4.2 KitKat, Google is apparently testing 4.4.3 already, under the build number KTU72B. This information comes courtesy of renowned developer LlabTooFeR, but there is no further info on what new features the update is likely to bring.
One of the bug fixes gets mentioned, though - LlabTooFeR writes that "probably it will fix known camera bug." Said issue could very well refer to the problem in*Nexus 5*handset. Users observed a pretty significant increase*in CPU usage when the camera application is operational, which puts unwarranted stress on the system, and its battery endurance.*Google quickly promised a fix for the Nexus 5 camera bug, allegedly coming with the next Android update, so that could be it.*
There are no details yet on eventual extra enhancements and fixes that the Android 4.4.3 KitKat update will bring to devices in general. Perhaps we will know as soon as the next few weeks, as we doubt Google will wait for the*I/O conference in June*to release a fix for the camera issue in Nexus 5.
source:*@LlabTooFeR*(Twitter)

Real Source
http://www.phonearena.com/news/New-...KTU72B-update-allegedly-under-testing_id54262
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I hope they fix the Exchange Server always syncing bug

Oh snap, it means I have to revert my phone back to 4.4.2 stock again. So soon after the 4.4.2 update, too. At the very least I hope it's a worthy update.

hopefully there will be HDR+ camera for Nexus 4 like Nexus 5. ART optimization will be wonderful thing (also for me myself).
Cross Finger

will_chrome said:
hopefully there will be HDR+ camera for Nexus 4 like Nexus 5. ART optimization will be wonderful thing (also for me myself).
Cross Finger
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I think that's a hardware feature, not software (I mean HDR+), right?

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I think that's a hardware feature, not software (I mean HDR+), right?
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yes pardon me. my fault. well in that case HDR+ look alike perhaps.

https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=356149#c3 said:
03-25 13:18:10.689 I/DEBUG ( 179): Build fingerprint: 'google/hammerhead/hammerhead:4.4.3/KTU83/1086971:userdebug/dev-keys'
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U83 is march 24th (if I counted correctly)
Like the fingerprint states: 4.4.3 is definitely a thing in testing.
What it doesnt say is when/who will get it.
Fingerprints on chromium are concrete evidence that something does definitely exist, but not that we'll actually get it.
(chromium devs get access to builds that never get released)

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U83 is march 24th (if I counted correctly)
Like the fingerprint states: 4.4.3 is definitely a thing in testing.
What it doesnt say is when/who will get it.
Fingerprints on chromium are concrete evidence that something does definitely exist, but not that we'll actually get it.
(chromium devs get access to builds that never get released)
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Going a bit off topic !! Do you still have access to the .tot files from lg b2b servers since they updated their security ?? I think no one has updated the .tot files for mako or hammerhead after initial 4.4 ( I guess no .tot leaked for 4.4 mako at all )

I do not have files, only filenames.
I can tell you that mako has simply not received any new ones since 4.3 and I would not be surprised if it doesn't receive any more.
The thread is currently up to date with the known public ones for hammerhead, excepting that we do not have every variation of the latest one (KOT49H) (16/32gb D820/821)

Here is a ss
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5.1.1 by end of July according to Sammobile.com

Just saw this: http://www.sammobile.com/2015/06/01/exclusive-samsung-to-start-rolling-out-android-5-1-1-lollipop-update-to-galaxy-note-4-by-the-end-of-july/
"Google revealed the developer preview of the next big version of its mobile device operating system – Android M – last week during Google I/O 2015, and the release of its final version is due in Q3 2015. Now, you must be thinking if Samsung is too slow in updating its existing smartphones and tablets to the latest version of Android.
Samsung has already improved its software update game starting this year, and it has already rolled out Lollipop update many existing devices. Now, Samsung is already testing beta versions of Android 5.1.1-based ROMs for various existing devices, and we’ve already shown you the upgraded camera app for the Galaxy S6 and the S6 edge that will be released with Android 5.1.1 update for the devices.
Many Galaxy Note 4 users are impatiently waiting for Samsung to release Android 5.1.1 Lollipop update for the device. Well, here’s some good news for those guys. According to our highly placed sources, Samsung is planning to release Android 5.1.1 Lollipop update to the Galaxy Note 4 by the end of July. As usual, we will be the first ones to show you the upcoming ROM running on the actual device."
:good:

5.1.1 was released on april 9 so this is somewhat fast considering that.
but never trust samsung and their time lines.

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5.1.1 was released on april 9 so this is somewhat fast considering that.
but never trust samsung and their time lines.
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Sammobile are usually pretty spot on, especially when it comes from someone high up the corporate ladder.

v5.1.1 is FINAL version of Lollipop - no memory management problems

Toss3 said:
Sammobile are usually pretty spot on, especially when it comes from someone high up the corporate ladder.
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how do u know it comes from someone high up the corporate ladder??????????

ravijani said:
how do u know it comes from someone high up the corporate ladder??????????
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"According to our highly placed sources..." (sammobile.com, 2015)
Says so right there. :good:

Good news

Do you also read that the new camera app will come to note 4 aswell?

I don't if it's indeed good news, I thought that we would get it by this month , can't wait to see sammobile do a preview , will we get the new touchwiz? The new camera app, the themes? So many questions :crying:

very keen to see that!

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I don't if it's indeed good news, I thought that we would get it by this month , can't wait to see sammobile do a preview , will we get the new touchwiz? The new camera app, the themes? So many questions :crying:
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as an s6 edge user with note 4 i can say. new touchwiz is mostly same with what you are using on your note 4 with lollipop. but 1 exception performance of s6 is just sucks. insane ram usage, lags everywhere, crash etc. and people call it, its best touchwiz performance its basically a lie. its 1 of worst experiences i have ever had with an flagship device.
camera app just has different design capabilities are same pro mode is basically there for note 4 too.
only themes missing. others basically same.

tmac31 said:
as an s6 edge user with note 4 i can say. new touchwiz is mostly same with what you are using on your note 4 with lollipop. but 1 exception performance of s6 is just sucks. insane ram usage, lags everywhere, crash etc. and people call it, its best touchwiz performance its basically a lie. its 1 of worst experiences i have ever had with an flagship device.
camera app just has different design capabilities are same pro mode is basically there for note 4 too.
only themes missing. others basically same.
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Honestly I'm just hoping that the Note 5 is going to come with Android M out of the box at this point, because it truly makes a difference; in comparison to lollipop (5.1.1) on my Nexus 5 it's like night and day. Really fantastic update from google this time around.

Toss3 said:
Honestly I'm just hoping that the Note 5 is going to come with Android M out of the box at this point, because it truly makes a difference; in comparison to lollipop (5.1.1) on my Nexus 5 it's like night and day. Really fantastic update from google this time around.
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i still didnt update my old nexus 5. ill try if its that different. i doubt note 5 will have android m out of the box. probably same thing will happen with note 4 and android m will release after note 5. hope it will be perfect on its release time unlike lollipop this year. 5.1.1 should have released as 5.0 last year so all companies could have done the updates fast and perfect.

Chad_Petree said:
I don't if it's indeed good news, I thought that we would get it by this month , can't wait to see sammobile do a preview , will we get the new touchwiz? The new camera app, the themes? So many questions :crying:
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I'm pretty sure that we'll get none of the features you mentioned.

I hope it is not another firmware number change & new theme to be used like the Lollipop 5.0.1
We need full active Lollipop the latest change in toggle, the new camera API 2 with RAW support & the new themes with other Galaxy S6 & Lollipop improvements.
not to forget battery life fix & RAM high usage.
for 32 bit or 64 bit matter I hope they activate 64 bit ability in Exynos version …………… that will be awesome.

Sadly, this update doesn't come with Camera 2 Api or S6 features. Just under the hood updates (memory bug fixes, etc).

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Sadly, this update doesn't come with Camera 2 Api or S6 features. Just under the hood updates (memory bug fixes, etc).
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How do you know ? I think IF they're ever going to release camera 2 for the Note 4, they're going to do it with 5.1.1 release
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BTW I honestly feel the 5.1.1 update wasnt all that interesting (the CM users have been on it a while). The Nexus users reported some performance improvements but these were mainly due to kernel changes. So if Samsung did some good work there, it might be interesting. Otherwise, the 5.1.1. update is going to be quite a non event in my opinion.

I hope they include themes. As somebody on a non bootable US Carrier version, themes would at least allow me to stop looking at the same damn icons I've had on every Samsung device I've had over the last 5 years!

bbeelzebub said:
I hope they include themes. As somebody on a non bootable US Carrier version, themes would at least allow me to stop looking at the same damn icons I've had on every Samsung device I've had over the last 5 years!
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You don't like nova or action etc launchers?
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Change ur launcher. Solve the problem
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