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Bionic vs HTC Vigor (Thunderbolt 2)

I recently purchased my Droid Bionic, not aware that in a month's time the HTC Vigor (Thunderbolt 2 officially) would be released. I read up on many rumors of the HTC device, but they all seemed very unlikely. I asked my friend who works for Verizon about the HTC device if he knew anything about it, and he did and told me the specs of the HTC Vigor would be identical to the Bionic, noting that the rumors aren't true, and that it's most likely 1GHz or 1.2GHz dual core, with a qHD 560x940 screen. As far as dimensions or weight, he doesn't know how the HTC Vigor will do in that category. He works high up in Verzion, and I won't disclose his name just in case this info wasn't supposed to be given to me.
Should I return my Bionic and hold off for the Vigor?
I know the Bionic's PenTile screen is very disappointing, the camera is sub-par, and the battery life, while impressive, isn't as amazing as it can be (high cell standby and idle times).
How are HTC screens usually compared to others (SGSII, iPhone, Motorola)? Battery life on HTC phones? My main concern is the battery life overtime; would custom ROMs improve the battery life of the bionic?
I know the camera will definitely beat out the Bionic.
Is anyone returning their phone and waiting for the HTC Thunderbolt 2?

I was deciding if i should wait for the Vigor or Prime, but went ahead and purchased the Bionic.
I was really impressed with how little juice the screen on the Bionic pulls.
My screen on my previous phone would be around 70-80%
Bionic screen uses less than 20% That's why the cell standby percentage seems high.
All the percentages have to equal 100% It doesn't necessarily mean that the cell standby is using more juice when compared to other devices.
Wish the camera was a tad better, but it's doable. I do like how I'm able to use my phone outside in sunlight.
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I would chose the Bionic after all the problems with the Thunderbolt. I will not go back to a htc again.
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I had read, prior to purchasing the Bionic, that HTC Vigor, Prime, and iPhone 5 would all be released in October. Since I didn't want an iPhone and am not super techie that I need a pure Google phone, it was really between the Vigor and the bionic. My last phone was the HTC Droid Eris. Although with root and some fab devs producing ROMs, my l'il Eris lasted me through my 2 yr contract, it was buggy. The hardware literally fell apart and I had to replace the handset 4 times in my 2 yr contract. Although I know ppl who love their Incredibles and Thunderbolts - they ALSO complain of software bugs and hardware issues. Having weighed that, I decided to go with a Motorola product. My friends who have Moto Droids all like them and rave about them. Plus, I'm eager to see if Google acquiring Motorola Mobility will have any impact on the Bionic or proceeding products. I WOULD like to see unlocked bootloaders in the future though.

HTC Vigor:
1. It's going to be running a dual-core previous generation Snapdragon, *not* the new Krait cores which aren't even coming out until 2012. The OMAP4 in the Bionic definitely outperforms it.
2. Just going to be a Sensation on Verizon. If you want to check it out, go to your local T-Mobile store and look at it yourself.
Nexus Prime:
1. We don't really have much details on it.
2. It *might* even also have the dual-core Snapdragon the Sensation/Vigor will run. Seeing as how the T-Mobile Galaxy S2 has that instead of the Exynos, it's highly possible.
3. Eric Schmidt said Ice Cream Sandwich is coming out in October or November. This is a huge timeframe which will most likely lean towards the November area. If previous trends match up with this, the phone will come out *after* the software. Last year, the Nexus S came out 2 weeks after GingerBread dropped on AOSP. If it comes out at the end of October or beginning of November, that will be November or even December before we see the Nexus Prime.
My 2 cents before you start comparing the Bionic to the other phones coming out.

I was thinking of waiting for the Vigor till I realized it was a 1.5 Ghz based on the A8 that Qualcomm and HTC are STILL using. That is why they are pushing them all the way to 1.5Ghz, just to compete with the Exynos, OMAP4, and Tegra 2. The OMAP4 will still kill the Vigor. Granted RIGHT out of the box, the Vigor will probably score a little higher on meaningless menchmarks, most of which have not even been optimized for the new chipsets. But once we can overclock the Bionic CPU even to 1.2Ghz, I would almost guarantee it's CPU will DESTROY the Vigor

If you really plan on using Sense, wait for the Vigor.
In two days I will be replacing my Droid Eris with a Bionic. I do like the Eris, but I was very disappointed that while Android was quickly releasing new versions, I was stuck on whatever HTC had working because the Sense layer is so complicated. As soon as I could root, I did, and didn't find that I missed Sense all that much, though it is pretty.
Some of my friends, mostly Sprint customers, love HTC and Sense, and are loyal to the brand, refusing to go elsewhere. If you're one of those, wait for the Vigor. Otherwise, it's the Bionic now or the Prime later.

cdf3 said:
I was deciding if i should wait for the Vigor or Prime, but went ahead and purchased the Bionic.
I was really impressed with how little juice the screen on the Bionic pulls.
My screen on my previous phone would be around 70-80%
Bionic screen uses less than 20% That's why the cell standby percentage seems high.
All the percentages have to equal 100% It doesn't necessarily mean that the cell standby is using more juice when compared to other devices.
Wish the camera was a tad better, but it's doable. I do like how I'm able to use my phone outside in sunlight.
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I didn't think about the percentages must equal 100%, which answers my question about the call standby and the phone idle percentages being so high. Thanks for answering that for me.
AdamNJ77 said:
I was thinking of waiting for the Vigor till I realized it was a 1.5 Ghz based on the A8 that Qualcomm and HTC are STILL using. That is why they are pushing them all the way to 1.5Ghz, just to compete with the Exynos, OMAP4, and Tegra 2. The OMAP4 will still kill the Vigor. Granted RIGHT out of the box, the Vigor will probably score a little higher on meaningless menchmarks, most of which have not even been optimized for the new chipsets. But once we can overclock the Bionic CPU even to 1.2Ghz, I would almost guarantee it's CPU will DESTROY the Vigor
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It's not 1.5GHz, its either 1.0GHz, or 1.2GHz. I'm also 100% sure if the Vigor has the A8 Qualcomm dual-core chip, that the Bionic will wipe the floor with it.
bill.garrett said:
If you really plan on using Sense, wait for the Vigor.
In two days I will be replacing my Droid Eris with a Bionic. I do like the Eris, but I was very disappointed that while Android was quickly releasing new versions, I was stuck on whatever HTC had working because the Sense layer is so complicated. As soon as I could root, I did, and didn't find that I missed Sense all that much, though it is pretty.
Some of my friends, mostly Sprint customers, love HTC and Sense, and are loyal to the brand, refusing to go elsewhere. If you're one of those, wait for the Vigor. Otherwise, it's the Bionic now or the Prime later.
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According to rumors, the Prime is supposed to sport a 4.65" screen, which honestly to me is way too big, so for me it was either the Bionic or the Vigor (TB2).
Thanks for everyone's responses, they're definitely giving me insight into both phones and their capabilities as well as how they will perform in the long run. Keep them coming!

Final hardware could still be Krait snapdragon for the Vigor but its getting more skepticle. It coule be the Krait will be in the Prime when it comes out close toward the end of the year. A 720P HD 4.3 in screen is very enticing indeed so it is a tradeoff between the Bionics' mediocre screen or something a screen better than the Retina Display.
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equake said:
Final hardware could still be Krait snapdragon for the Vigor but its getting more skepticle. It coule be the Krait will be in the Prime when it comes out close toward the end of the year. A 720P HD 4.3 in screen is very enticing indeed so it is a tradeoff between the Bionics' mediocre screen or something a screen better than the Retina Display.
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It would *not* be Krait cores. Krait hasn't even been released yet and is still scheduled for a Q2 2012 release. Not even close.

Berzerker7 said:
It would *not* be Krait cores. Krait hasn't even been released yet and is still scheduled for a Q2 2012 release. Not even close.
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He's ABSOLTELY correct, there is NO chance it is the Krait

I was debating this same thing for a month or so.. Everyone always wants the best available, sometimes that can be a very difficult task. I was on the HTC Evo, and absolutely loved it. So that was drawing me towards the Vigor. My friend has the Nexus S and I was able to see how awesome that can be, so that was drawing me towards the Prime. But bottom line was, I was tired of waiting. I switched to VZW in July so I could get the unlimited data, and because I knew the Bionic was coming out. I had to grab an old blackberry I had laying around to wait.
Can you see why I jumped on what I had initially been waiting on?? The biggest thing I dislike is the LED.. its not the best on the Bionic. I imagine it will be decent on the HTC. But as for the Nexus, does samsung even have a Notification LED?
Definitely different benefits to each phone, but I think as soon as some fixes come out the Bionic will be a very good phone (already is pretty awesome).

AdamNJ77 said:
He's ABSOLTELY correct, there is NO chance it is the Krait
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It would be ashame if the Vigor uses the same MSM8660 as in the Evo 3D only clocked higher since the Scorpion cores are getting long in the tooth.
Read this story for S4 Snapdragon Dual Core LTE
seekingalpha.com/article/280664-qualcomm-incorporated-s-ceo-discusses-q3-2011-results-earnings-call-transcript

All I know, is that if I was waiting for the vigor I would wait until the reviews started leaking out, especially after the thunderbolt battery fiasco.
Motorola makes a really solid phone. Even though I like htc and generally applaud their use of materials in their hardware, Motorola makes a seriously well built device. No cheap tolerances whatsoever.
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acPIZZA said:
All I know, is that if I was waiting for the vigor I would wait until the reviews started leaking out, especially after the thunderbolt battery fiasco.
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This. The sad thing is that the Thunderbolt outside of the battery life was a pretty good phone. The screen is quite beautiful and the phone itself runs pretty fast. Hopefully HTC has learned from this so when Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) comes it'll be much better in terms of battery but retaining the screen quality of the original Thunderbolt.
Motorola makes a really solid phone. Even though I like htc and generally applaud their use of materials in their hardware, Motorola makes a seriously well built device. No cheap tolerances whatsoever.
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Except for that nasty pentile display. Seriously the Bionic could have been an complete winner if it wasn't for that. Instead I'll wait for either the Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) or Prime. Too bad for Moto as the original Droid really set the standard for Android phones.

DemoManMLS said:
This. The sad thing is that the Thunderbolt outside of the battery life was a pretty good phone. The screen is quite beautiful and the phone itself runs pretty fast. Hopefully HTC has learned from this so when Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) comes it'll be much better in terms of battery but retaining the screen quality of the original Thunderbolt.
Except for that nasty pentile display. Seriously the Bionic could have been an complete winner if it wasn't for that. Instead I'll wait for either the Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) or Prime. Too bad for Moto as the original Droid really set the standard for Android phones.
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I back the display. Its not a game changer when you can see pixels when you hold the phone up to your eye. I keep saying this - but at normal distance the display is as crisp as any.
Go looking for pixels - you'll find them. Hold an iphone up to your face you'll get the same thing.
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I back the display. Its not a game changer when you can see pixels when you hold the phone up to your eye. I keep saying this - but at normal distance the display is as crisp as any.
Go looking for pixels - you'll find them. Hold an iphone up to your face you'll get the same thing.
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Difference is that I can see the pixels even 5-10 feet away. I didn't see this on either the original Droid or even the Thunderbolt for that matter. So yes the pentile display to me is the deal breaker on the Bionic. Maybe not for you but it certainly is for me. If it works fine for you then enjoy the phone as the Bionic for the most part is a good device. I just felt that the pentile display wasn't for me.

I'm useing my bionic now, I'm about a foot away and I can't see the pixles, I've been useing Netflix with it even closer to my face and its flawless, don't know who's bionic you've been looking at but I can't see my pixles too easily
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DemoManMLS said:
This. The sad thing is that the Thunderbolt outside of the battery life was a pretty good phone. The screen is quite beautiful and the phone itself runs pretty fast. Hopefully HTC has learned from this so when Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) comes it'll be much better in terms of battery but retaining the screen quality of the original Thunderbolt.
Except for that nasty pentile display. Seriously the Bionic could have been an complete winner if it wasn't for that. Instead I'll wait for either the Vigor (aka Thunderbolt 2) or Prime. Too bad for Moto as the original Droid really set the standard for Android phones.
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I would definitely agree that the Thunderbolt was a very good phone, except for the very disappointing battery life. The Bionic's pentile display is also disappointing, but as I used my Bionic more and more, I felt like the display is very crisp and pixels are hardly noticeable unless you truly look for them, and lets be honest, on any phone if you truly look for pixels, you'll find them.
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I back the display. Its not a game changer when you can see pixels when you hold the phone up to your eye. I keep saying this - but at normal distance the display is as crisp as any.
Go looking for pixels - you'll find them. Hold an iphone up to your face you'll get the same thing.
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Normal distance is great. When I watch videos, play games, etc, pixels are hardly noticeable. In addition, the battery life saved from those pentile displays are quite remarkable. It's a somewhat good tradeoff: screen quality for battery life, and even then the screen quality isn't terrible to the point where it would be a decision changer for me.

I upgraded to a bionic from a Droid X (forced due to bootloop, but nonetheless) and also have a Thunderbolt. The pentile screen does love much to be desired, and yes, I can see pixels when holding it even at arms length.
But IMO the bionic has answered the mail on what *I believe* it was meant to be: a portable media center with a webtop bonus thrown in. I've read countless threads across many devices about people pushing their media (local or stream) from their phones to all sorts of tv's, pc's, xbox's, name your reciever. Moto made sure they put out a device that had the horsepower to accomplish that with the added benefit of a decent non battery hogging screen for those that want to use it in transit or while away from their receivers. That's primarily how I used my Droid X and can probably count in the low hundreds the number of times I actually looked at anything on the screen itself for longer than 2 mins (mainly just to set up hdmi out or a bluetooth connection to stream something).
Just my experience and opinion...

[Q] Galaxy Nexus or HTC One X for upgrade?

The time has come. The N1 has put up a good fight, and is still fighting to stay up to date, but it's an uphill battle.
So I recently became eligible for a upgrade through At&t. Unfortunately the best Android phone they have to offer right now is the Galaxy S II. I'm the kind of guy who isn't going to drop hundreds of dollars for a phone I will have for 2 years that can't compete in a year.
So Here's my plan (this is actually how I got the cash to get the N1, albeit an iPhone 4)
Buy a iPhone 4S through At&t for $150 (refurb)
Sell it on ebay for ~$450-500
End up with an excess ~$350
Sell my N1 for ~$100
~$450 total
I can then make up the difference out of my own pocket
$500 is also roughly the amount the Galaxy Nexus is unsubsidized.
The One X looks like an amazing phone. However, the one that will be offered through At&t will be dual core 1.5GHZ, which is still better than the Galaxy Nexus' dual 1.2GHZ. However, if I'm going to have this phone for the next 2 years, it's going to be kick-ass, so I would go with the international tegra 3 quad core One X being offered unsubsidized. Right now that will run more more that $500 surely, but I'll be getting a monster.
I'm also extremely impressed with the community for Nexus devices. The ability to flash countless ROM's is a convenience I wish all phones could have, and something I do quite often. I know HTC has unlock-able bootloaders now, but I don't think they have as much community support for various ROM's, recovery's, etc. I do love the build quality of HTC devices so much more than Samsung though.
So my question to you all is, should I stay true to the Nexus line and get an extremely solid phone, or go for the One-X with almost 3x as much processing power?

XSafire said:
The time has come. The N1 has put up a good fight, and is still fighting to stay up to date, but it's an uphill battle.
So I recently became eligible for a upgrade through At&t. Unfortunately the best Android phone they have to offer right now is the Galaxy S II. I'm the kind of guy who isn't going to drop hundreds of dollars for a phone I will have for 2 years that can't compete in a year.
So Here's my plan (this is actually how I got the cash to get the N1, albeit an iPhone 4)
Buy a iPhone 4S through At&t for $150 (refurb)
Sell it on ebay for ~$450-500
End up with an excess ~$350
Sell my N1 for ~$100
~$450 total
I can then make up the difference out of my own pocket
$500 is also roughly the amount the Galaxy Nexus is unsubsidized.
The One X looks like an amazing phone. However, the one that will be offered through At&t will be dual core 1.5GHZ, which is still better than the Galaxy Nexus' dual 1.2GHZ. However, if I'm going to have this phone for the next 2 years, it's going to be kick-ass, so I would go with the international tegra 3 quad core One X being offered unsubsidized. Right now that will run more more that $500 surely, but I'll be getting a monster.
I'm also extremely impressed with the community for Nexus devices. The ability to flash countless ROM's is a convenience I wish all phones could have, and something I do quite often. I know HTC has unlock-able bootloaders now, but I don't think they have as much community support for various ROM's, recovery's, etc. I do love the build quality of HTC devices so much more than Samsung though.
So my question to you all is, should I stay true to the Nexus line and get an extremely solid phone, or go for the One-X with almost 3x as much processing power?
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You never get 100$ for a used nexus one. More like 40~50$. They go new for around 100$

Read the comparisons between Tegra 3 and MSM8960. The dual-core One X will most likely be more powerful and less battery-eater than Tegra 3 one. The number of cores doesn't equal performance. You can get it through AT&T and that would make your plan much simpler.

Jack_R1 said:
Read the comparisons between Tegra 3 and MSM8960. The dual-core One X will most likely be more powerful and less battery-eater than Tegra 3 one. The number of cores doesn't equal performance. You can get it through AT&T and that would make your plan much simpler.
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Thanks for that. So would you choose the One XL over the Galaxy Nexus?

I might not be a good example. After a year with Nexus One, mostly running Enomther's ROM (somewhere between AOSP and CM), and trying some CM7, I grew really fond of Sense, especially after using Sense 3 for a while (running Sense 3.5 on my MT4G now). Stock Android has so many stupid quirks and limitations that I can't stand it. Plus, I completely dislike stock ICS look, it's awful IMHO, and I didn't particularly like Gingerbread either, Froyo was much closer to my taste - and Sense reminds me of it. So I would definitely take a phone that can run Sense ROMs over a phone that can't, but as you can see, it's my subjective opinion.
There is one more lesson I learned from Nexus One: user base counts. With Galaxy Nexus, all you get is a new OS 1-2 months ahead, and relatively small user base - while most likely having devs, but also more likely to jump to another, newer phone quite fast. On the other hand, on One X for 1-2 months delay in OS update you'll get more variants - in addition to stock Sense there will be AOSP, CM and MIUI variants like for any other phone, and most of all - you'll probably get A LOT more users, which eventually equals much better support community. Look at Nexus One development versus the good old Desire. If I'd pick Desire back then - I'd still be using it now.

Seems to me the choice is clear.....lol
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Wait, what? The HTC One X isn't dual core. It's got a quad core processor.

Theshawty said:
Wait, what? The HTC One X isn't dual core. It's got a quad core processor.
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Only the international version.
The US version gets a dual core but it's a beast dual core at that.
Benchmarks better than Tegra 3.
You really can't go wrong with it.

This one is for dual core Snapdragon S4, I believe.

I Am Marino said:
Only the international version.
The US version gets a dual core but it's a beast dual core at that.
Benchmarks better than Tegra 3.
You really can't go wrong with it.
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Dafuq? Why do they make two versions of it?
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Theshawty said:
Dafuq? Why do they make two versions of it?
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Because Tegra3 does not play nicely with LTE.
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XSafire said:
The time has come. The N1 has put up a good fight, and is still fighting to stay up to date, but it's an uphill battle.
So I recently became eligible for a upgrade through At&t. Unfortunately the best Android phone they have to offer right now is the Galaxy S II. I'm the kind of guy who isn't going to drop hundreds of dollars for a phone I will have for 2 years that can't compete in a year.
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http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...wtSlotClick=1-007D1Y!903920-1-1&rel=nofollow#
SGS2, $10 if you buy it today, with two year contract. $100 otherwise... Your plan seems silly.

I Am Marino said:
Only the international version.
The US version gets a dual core but it's a beast dual core at that.
Benchmarks better than Tegra 3.
You really can't go wrong with it.
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No the tegra 3 still outperforms it in raw power by like 70 percent, but the dual core that i has is a beast no doubt about that
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ray3andrei said:
No the tegra 3 still outperforms it in raw power by like 70 percent, but the dual core that i has is a beast no doubt about that
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That's according to what benchmark exactly?
Anandtech says you either don't know what you're talking about or can't read charts (or both). Maybe if you mean that dual-core S4 outperforms quad-core Tegra 3 by 70%:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Seeing these numbers, HTC's decision to go with Tegra3 leaves you thinking, what's wrong with them. The most probable reason is that they had to decide when the CPUs weren't anywhere near ready, and they evaluated them to be more or less equal, and given the marketing hype of Nvidia and a bit earlier arrival, chose it for flagship device. Well, I guess their management is not too happy now to say the least, when the CPUs are out in the wild and the results are on the table, but that also could make AT&T's One X a big hit, like I said.

Jack_R1 said:
That's according to what benchmark exactly?
Anandtech says you either don't know what you're talking about or can't read charts (or both). Maybe if you mean that dual-core S4 outperforms quad-core Tegra 3 by 70%:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Seeing these numbers, HTC's decision to go with Tegra3 leaves you thinking, what's wrong with them. The most probable reason is that they had to decide when the CPUs weren't anywhere near ready, and they evaluated them to be more or less equal, and given the marketing hype of Nvidia and a bit earlier arrival, chose it for flagship device. Well, I guess their management is not too happy now to say the least, when the CPUs are out in the wild and the results are on the table, but that also could make AT&T's One X a big hit, like I said.
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Are you being serious.. do you trust the bull**** on amandtech.... honestly you didnt hold the device in your hands to see how it performs, nor did you see a clip of it being benchmarked. Its impossible how 2 cores 1.5Ghz can beat a quad core 1.6Ghz the the arm in the s4 doesnt give double the performance compared to the arm in tegra 3... seriously, its like comparing an intel core i5 to a amd phenom 2....
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Jack_R1 said:
That's according to what benchmark exactly?
Anandtech says you either don't know what you're talking about or can't read charts (or both). Maybe if you mean that dual-core S4 outperforms quad-core Tegra 3 by 70%:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Seeing these numbers, HTC's decision to go with Tegra3 leaves you thinking, what's wrong with them. The most probable reason is that they had to decide when the CPUs weren't anywhere near ready, and they evaluated them to be more or less equal, and given the marketing hype of Nvidia and a bit earlier arrival, chose it for flagship device. Well, I guess their management is not too happy now to say the least, when the CPUs are out in the wild and the results are on the table, but that also could make AT&T's One X a big hit, like I said.
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I also saw pics of a galaxy nexus cooked and all that kitchen stuff i saw PICS only that doesnt prove anything, i own a transformer prime and its really good but it tends to lag when it switches from companion core to the actual cores, i saw benchmarks where the ram in the one x (s4) completely crushes the ram in the prime which is almost impossible because the ram in the prime runs at twice the clock speed. But it is single channel compared to dual channel in the s4 on paper the tegra 3 is faster.. by a lot ...
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ray3andrei said:
Are you being serious.. do you trust the bull**** on amandtech.... honestly you didnt hold the device in your hands to see how it performs, nor did you see a clip of it being benchmarked. Its impossible how 2 cores 1.5Ghz can beat a quad core 1.6Ghz the the arm in the s4 doesnt give double the performance compared to the arm in tegra 3... seriously, its like comparing an intel core i5 to a amd phenom 2....
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That's only because you don't know a thing about what's in both, how they work and how the Linux kernel above both works. If you manage to read the beginning of the article, you'll see that Krait in S4 is no Cortex A9. Yes, especially in FPU operations, it can double, triple and quadruple the performance of a regular A9, and is generally much faster.
You're resorting to 2nd-grade defense, which could be expected from a Tegra3-based-device owner-fanboy. The benchmarks are just that - benchmarks, and if you're talking "raw power" and giving numbers - back them up with raw data, which benchmarks are (more or less objective, but it's not the point here). Otherwise just say "I own a Tegra3 device and it performs fine, and I have no idea what dual-core Krait performs like, because I never saw one". There's nothing else you can possibly say. "Impossible"? Says who?
P.S. It's funny that you assumed that I "didn't hold the device in my hands".

Jack_R1 said:
That's only because you don't know a thing about what's in both, how they work and how the Linux kernel above both works. If you manage to read the beginning of the article, you'll see that Krait in S4 is no Cortex A9. Yes, especially in FPU operations, it can double, triple and quadruple the performance of a regular A9, and is generally much faster.
You're resorting to 2nd-grade defense, which could be expected from a Tegra3-based-device owner-fanboy. The benchmarks are just that - benchmarks, and if you're talking "raw power" and giving numbers - back them up with raw data, which benchmarks are (more or less objective, but it's not the point here). Otherwise just say "I own a Tegra3 device and it performs fine, and I have no idea what dual-core Krait performs like, because I never saw one". There's nothing else you can possibly say. "Impossible"? Says who?
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Haha....i didnt say a9 did I, you seem to be really pissed dude... show me a vid where the one x gets benchmarked.. and im not a fanboy.. in fact i like my nexus more than my prime..
On paper the tegra 3 is better and even if it uses arm a15mp core it still wouldn't match sorry im done here
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That's only because you don't know a thing about what's in both, how they work and how the Linux kernel above both works. If you manage to read the beginning of the article, you'll see that Krait in S4 is no Cortex A9. Yes, especially in FPU operations, it can double, triple and quadruple the performance of a regular A9, and is generally much faster.
You're resorting to 2nd-grade defense, which could be expected from a Tegra3-based-device owner-fanboy. The benchmarks are just that - benchmarks, and if you're talking "raw power" and giving numbers - back them up with raw data, which benchmarks are (more or less objective, but it's not the point here). Otherwise just say "I own a Tegra3 device and it performs fine, and I have no idea what dual-core Krait performs like, because I never saw one". There's nothing else you can possibly say. "Impossible"? Says who?
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If i look at thr quadrant benchmark it gets 8500, on my prime i get 11000.. so the t3 is faster.. sorry
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I would choose the nexus only because of the screen, stock ics, and 1st to get updates, anything else go for the one x regardless of the version you get
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What do you guys think about the Moto X?

The customization options look really great... I'm contemplating on making a switch when it's released. Really looking forward to August 1 so I can make a more concrete decision however.
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I'm sticking with the N4. Same software, a quad core instead of a dual core, same screen size I believe, and same android experience.
The Moto X will probably have better battery life and don't get me wrong, it will be a good phone.
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Only by 100 mAh.
Stick with the N4, wait for the N5 if u really want a new phone. MX is last years' specs :/

We'll see when it is officially released. ut if it is the same price range as the Nexus 4 ($250 - $350), I'll probably buy it. Since realizing I love these phones so much more caseless, I'll be glad to have one that isn't so fragile.

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Only by 100 mAh.
Stick with the N4, wait for the N5 if u really want a new phone. MX is last years' specs :/
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The Moto X has LTE, a better camera, and supposedly better battery life. Who cares about specs. In almost every category it is as good or better than the N4 (and for the same price). I don't think it is a tough choice if you are looking for a new phone.

The Moto X has been optimised better. It actually feels faster than the Nexus 4 when using it and scores higher in benchmarks. Might get it just because of how cheap it will be, and then upgreade to the Nexus 5 in a few months.

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The Moto X has LTE, a better camera, and supposedly better battery life. Who cares about specs. In almost every category it is as good or better than the N4 (and for the same price). I don't think it is a tough choice if you are looking for a new phone.
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Nexus 4 has LTE as well (unofficially). Better battery life? Its only 100 mAh. If its software wise then thats just optimization on software side not hardware side.
Battery for me on the N4 is fine. I last through the whole day with 30% battery life. Specs matter, why pay money for a device that is outdated when you can get a beast phone like a S4 that is a quad core in the same price range OR the G2 which is really good with a Snapdragon 800, ~2500mAh, STEREO speakers, 1080p display.
G2 will dethrone Moto X easily. And with N5 rumors being it based off the G2, the N5 will be even better than the Moto X without question.
Not to mention, N4 has 4.3, Moto X will be launching with 4.2.2 and will still need carrier approval for a OTA to be pushed out where Google can push it out without the carriers saying so the N4 will ALWAYS have the latest update and open binary files.
Motorola's bootloader policy? Not sure... but on the DROID lineups, they're all locked. Nexus is without a doubt a hands down the best experience when it comes to using custom roms, kernels, etc. Its better to stay with a Nexus device. Once a Nexus, always a Nexus is the motto to live by.

I'm most excited about the fact that it's being manufactured stateside. That's about it - my N4 is satisfactory for the time being.
However, if the MotoX succeeds, and its successors continue to be made in North America, then I'll get whatever the latest MotoX is when it's time to replace my N4.
This assumes that Motorola makes the device open and supports it properly though. If it's as locked down as their razrs and droids, I'm not interested.

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Nexus 4 has LTE as well (unofficially). Better battery life? Its only 100 mAh. If its software wise then thats just optimization on software side not hardware side.
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LTE only works on band 4 not 99% of the carriers around the world and it requires you to use an old radio that is no longer supported. I'm sorry but that is not LTE support.
As for battery life, who cares why it is better as long as it is better?
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Not to mention, N4 has 4.3, Moto X will be launching with 4.2.2 and will still need carrier approval for a OTA to be pushed out where Google can push it out without the carriers saying so the N4 will ALWAYS have the latest update and open binary files.
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The Moto X should be on the Play Store as well which means there will be a non carrier version which will not have to deal with carrier approval.

I'm likely going to get it since it's a slimmer and smaller phone overall compared to other flagships. The Moto X's size is very comparable to the iPhone 5 while having the same screen size as the Nexus 4. I don't really mind the updates, since Google will likely sell this in the play store with a cheap off contract price along with the option of custom made orders.
I honestly can't wait until reviews start coming in, if it's not really compelling (the battery isn't that much better or camera) then I'll most likely keep my N4. I just hate the glass back and how wide the Nexus is in my hands.

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LG G2 or the Moto X

Since more people already have the Moto X , Im wondering have anyone played with the LG G2.. Im contemplating between the two on which one I should get...

Tough choice. I am going to compare them together on Friday. The moto x is really sweet though.
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LG G2. Everybody here on the Moto X forums will tell you that. We all hate our phones.

I will be there Friday to play also, if not just to get an idea of the next Nexus hardware. I have to say though, the X is the best out of the box experience I have ever had.
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I will be there Friday to play also, if not just to get an idea of the next Nexus hardware. I have to say though, the X is the best out of the box experience I have ever had.
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Im def going to play with the LG G2 as well, and see... I figured I would ask since a lot of people have already got their hands on the Moto X for more than a week...

Don't sweat it. Some people around here are stressing over root, kind of has the whole Moto X board being mean . Either way, I have a really hard time believing that the LG g2 will be able to outpace this phone. It really sounds crazy but in telling you this phone is something else.
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Easy choice for me. I'm done with shiny plastic and really ugly ui
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[email protected] said:
Don't sweat it. Some people around here are stressing over root, kind of has the whole Moto X board being mean . Either way, I have a really hard time believing that the LG g2 will be able to outpace this phone. It really sounds crazy but in telling you this phone is something else.
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Do you or anyone have an opinion regarding the Moto X as a device to get over the HTC One or Note 2?

Depends what you want. Basically stock Android, great speed, good form factor = Moto X. You want higher specs for some reason, you enjoy the G2's design with buttons on the back, and the size of the device, get the G2.

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Do you or anyone have an opinion regarding the Moto X as a device to get over the HTC One or Note 2?
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The note, in my opinion is just too big, and I hate touchwiz. The one is a nice phone, the Google Edition is way better in my opinion. I like AOSP, not a fan of skinning, at all. The MOTOROLA X is really a great phone straight out of the box.
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Yazzinit said:
Depends what you want. Basically stock Android, great speed, good form factor = Moto X. You want higher specs for some reason, you enjoy the G2's design with buttons on the back, and the size of the device, get the G2.
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I would like to give the Moto X a try because of the stock look and that the size is not too big or small. The specs do open up my eyes on the G2 and if I decide on that I could always switch to a different launcher. This is a tough decision.
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The note, in my opinion is just too big, and I hate touchwiz. The one is a nice phone, the Google Edition is way better in my opinion. I like AOSP, not a fan of skinning, at all. The MOTOROLA X is really a great phone straight out of the box.
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I utilize the Note for business because, the S-Pen allows me to do some things when I'm out recruiting. But, I've used the iPhone 5 at times as my daily driver and want to switch totally to android.

I'd check out more reviews of the G2 then. Personally, I'm not sure what higher specs bring, which is the point of the Moto X. Other high spec phones provide nothing substantially better. Some lag even right out of the box, sacrifice battery life, or provide no real higher terms of performance in terms of gaming.
These aren't actual computers, despite what they do. People aren't running AutoCAD and need an i7 processor. Why these high specs other than ego boosts, I don't know. I'd maybe assess WHY you want the G2's specs. What purpose are they actually serving you? The Moto X and its "inferior" specs runs 100% smooth out of the box, has high gaming performance, and great battery life.

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I'd check out more reviews of the G2 then. Personally, I'm not sure what higher specs bring, which is the point of the Moto X. Other high spec phones provide nothing substantially better. Some lag even right out of the box, sacrifice battery life, or provide no real higher terms of performance in terms of gaming.
These aren't actual computers, despite what they do. People aren't running AutoCAD and need an i7 processor. Why these high specs other than ego boosts, I don't know. I'd maybe assess WHY you want the G2's specs. What purpose are they actually serving you? The Moto X and its "inferior" specs runs 100% smooth out of the box, has high gaming performance, and great battery life.
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I'm just thinking it will allow me to run my apps more efficiently and quicker. I've been using iOS (iPhone 5) as my daily driver and the Note 2 for business because I'm a coach. I want to move to android totally and from what your saying the Moto X will be the way to go.

I've had it for 1 week today, and it's been faster than I expected. I'm coming from a Verizon Samsung Galaxy S3 and this is light years better. Stock S3, Touchwiz was too annoying for me. Pulling down the notification bar and having the quick toggles scroll each time (thanks!), to just the useless features, it was annoying. I installed different ROMs, which I guess is fine, but eventually they'd need to be updated. That's more time I have to take to back things up, wipe everything, flash, and restore. I might be nitpicking, but it's still an annoyance. Not to mention that many of these ROMs have glitches, no matter how popular they are: AOSP camera problems, GPS locking issues, etc.
I've had 0 problems with the Moto X after 1 week. The screen PPI is the same as the S3, but looks way better since it's not pentile. To me, it seems not only brighter and more vivid, but just less "blah." I much prefer Android's customization over iOS, but that's a personal preference. Maybe check out a local store to play with the Moto X. Doesn't have to be your carrier, since I'm not sure if VZW stores have it in yet, but AT&T sure does.

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I'd check out more reviews of the G2 then. Personally, I'm not sure what higher specs bring, which is the point of the Moto X. Other high spec phones provide nothing substantially better. Some lag even right out of the box, sacrifice battery life, or provide no real higher terms of performance in terms of gaming.
These aren't actual computers, despite what they do. People aren't running AutoCAD and need an i7 processor. Why these high specs other than ego boosts, I don't know. I'd maybe assess WHY you want the G2's specs. What purpose are they actually serving you? The Moto X and its "inferior" specs runs 100% smooth out of the box, has high gaming performance, and great battery life.
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Android phones have "better" specs than any other OS because it lacks optimization. I'm not saying Android is bad but the more platforms you run a OS on the more raw power you need to push it. With all these different resolutions, cpu, gpu, ram ect it makes it impossible to optimize beyond a certain point. That's why iPhone, blackberry, and Windows phone all run so smooth.... All the phones that run their OSs have almost identical specs. Now the Moto X is more optimized so can run amazing with lower specs which is awesome, but the downside is you could possibly wait a lot longer for any updates because of all the special things going on behind the scenes that they need to tweak from the AOSP.
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I'm definitely going to check it out because I think it's time to step away from iOS. It may take getting use to, but I'm sure I'll managing. Your info has been very helpful. I do a lot of group texting to my players. Is that available in the stock app?
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I'm learning some new things here, but as I stated before I will definitely go into Verizon today and check out the Moto X.

It is, just used it last night

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I'm just thinking it will allow me to run my apps more efficiently and quicker. I've been using iOS (iPhone 5) as my daily driver and the Note 2 for business because I'm a coach. I want to move to android totally and from what your saying the Moto X will be the way to go.
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if you look at reviews of the X vs htc one gs4 or other phones the x runs apps often faster. As many have said previously, specs aren't the big deciding faster on whether a phone runs faster with apps or many things.
here is a short youtube video showing benchmark of HTC one and then running apps comparison. Both phones are bery similar even though HTC one has far superior specs and benchmarks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmU7YKoC5Is

Why on earth would you want the buttons on the back of your phone (G2)? I don't understand how that idea even left the boardroom.

Well, I finally went and played with the LG G2 and I think I will go with the Moto X if and when verizon comes out with the 32gb...
My reasons:
1. Its way to much to change on the LG G2 once you root it
a.bloatware, notification menu,buttons that does the same thing that comes stock with the phone,the buttons are def awkward on the back
a.Moto X comes pretty much perfect.
2. Verizon murdered this device with bloat over 10
3. Camera on the Moto X is inferrior but geez over 85% of cell phone users arent professional photographers
4. Every LG G2 is different as well, especially the verizon version which tells me the updates will not come in a timely manner(opinion not fact)

Google sold Motorola Mobility

to Lenovo. Makes me wonder what's in store for the future. Speculate below.

skeevydude said:
to Lenovo. Makes me wonder what's in store for the future. Speculate below.
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OMG NO! I was hoping for a real GOOGLE/motorola NEXUS. Anyways http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2629392

I'm mobile and didn't zoom in....lol

Google had this on mind since before rhey bought Moto. What they actually got off that deal were the Patents. They need it more power against apple.

Sad news

Makes me wonder if we're still going to get the official KitKat.
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TecknoFreak said:
Google had this on mind since before rhey bought Moto. What they actually got off that deal were the Patents. They need it more power against apple.
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Against microsoft+ patent portfolio. Microsoft makes more profit per device using android on licensing than google for the entierty...
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I knew they bought Moto for the patents, but I didn't think they'd drop them this quick. That said, Lenovo buying them could be a blessing in disguise. Lenovo almost runs the low end market and isn't known for uber locked devices like Moto is. I can see futute Moto phones being a much more open platform if Lenovo sees that the closed nature (and lack of updates) of Moto is their weak point. As for us and KitKat??? I dunno. I just hope it's not a wish in one hand, crap in the other situation. We really won't know anything until Lenovo releases their business plan.

Yeah i know. Google just trying to stay strong/stronger with their nexus phones. They will try the best they can to minimize the android manufacturing market and in the future narrow it to just be google phones on their operating system that be. The way i see everything they are doing is the way i picture this. :what: :banghead:

From what I've read Google might do away with Nexus altogether and is trying to pressure manufactures to not alter AOSP and release phones without Touchwiz, Blur, etcetera. Google's trying to only do the Android software and not hardware. Apparently some manufactures (Sammy) felt Google would screw them by releasing phones with newer Android versions first and make them look bad by being behind in software. IMHO, no Nexus or Moto Mobility not being Google owned might not be a bad thing IF manufactures actually release AOSP phones -- it could make the market more competitive in terms of quality hardware and price if manufactures weren't too busy doing piss-poor skins...granted some aren't bad, but most suck, especially 2.2 Blur.

Up!
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I knew they bought Moto for the patents, but I didn't think they'd drop them this quick. That said, Lenovo buying them could be a blessing in disguise. Lenovo almost runs the low end market and isn't known for uber locked devices like Moto is. I can see futute Moto phones being a much more open platform if Lenovo sees that the closed nature (and lack of updates) of Moto is their weak point. As for us and KitKat??? I dunno. I just hope it's not a wish in one hand, crap in the other situation. We really won't know anything until Lenovo releases their business plan.
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Well if their record with the IBM Thinkpad and now their own branded devices is any indication, Google is right, Lenovo will do more good/right for Motorola Mobility hardware. It isn't/wasn't Google's intention on doing anything with the phone hardware market as they stated anyways.
As I said, I would have liked a Google Motorola Nexus phone, before they handed them off, but oh well. Here's to hoping Lenovo's strengths behind Motorola bares fruit and competition for the good of the consumers.

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Well if their record with the IBM Thinkpad and now their own branded devices is any indication, Google is right, Lenovo will do more good/right for Motorola Mobility hardware. It isn't/wasn't Google's intention on doing anything with the phone hardware market as they stated anyways.
As I said, I would have liked a Google Motorola Nexus phone, before they handed them off, but oh well. Here's to hoping Lenovo's strengths behind Motorola bares fruit and competition for the good of the consumers.
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The X (Dev Edition) and G are the closest to a Moto Nexus that we'll get, sadly (I don't like either, wanted a G, no video out was the deal breaker).
Keep in mind that the sale isn't complete until the American Government approves it. The sale might not go through if AG doesn't want the Chinese (Lenovo) to have IBM and MM.

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The X (Dev Edition) and G are the closest to a Moto Nexus that we'll get, sadly (I don't like either, wanted a G, no video out was the deal breaker).
Keep in mind that the sale isn't complete until the American Government approves it. The sale might not go through if AG doesn't want the Chinese (Lenovo) to have IBM and MM.
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IMO X & G aren't much more / enough of a move from my Atrix HD for me.

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IMO X & G aren't much more / enough of a move from my Atrix HD for me.
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My thoughts as well. I'd have really considered the G if it had some sort of hdmi out, but I can't justify the X's price for some extra low powered cores and a spiffy design. I don't have to go into the lack of sdcards...I'm pretty vocal about that.
If we get Official KitKat with HDMI fixed and a 3.2 or 3.4 kernel then this platform will keep me happy for a good while longer, though I would like a phablet sized Atrix HD....or a phablet from Moto with the same usb/hdmi configuration we have (for my lapdock) and an sd slot. I don't need a tablet, but I'd like a slightly bigger screen for reading books. Hopefully Lenovo will come through and deliver where Moto's been failing. They're ambitious and want to have an American market, no screwing us and it up will give them exactly what they want (Sammy's Business).
/BF4 + Mantle is here
//Damn Netflix movie needs to end. Finally installed the updated Catalyst driver with Mantle and the nets congested so I can't play :crying:
///Mantle let me increase some lows to medium and some mediums to high and increased my framerate from 50's to 60 smooth (single player) :victory:

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My thoughts as well. I'd have really considered the G if it had some sort of hdmi out, but I can't justify the X's price for some extra low powered cores and a spiffy design. I don't have to go into the lack of sdcards...I'm pretty vocal about that.
If we get Official KitKat with HDMI fixed and a 3.2 or 3.4 kernel then this platform will keep me happy for a good while longer, though I would like a phablet sized Atrix HD....or a phablet from Moto with the same usb/hdmi configuration we have (for my lapdock) and an sd slot. I don't need a tablet, but I'd like a slightly bigger screen for reading books. Hopefully Lenovo will come through and deliver where Moto's been failing. They're ambitious and want to have an American market, no screwing us and it up will give them exactly what they want (Sammy's Business).
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//Damn Netflix movie needs to end. Finally installed the updated Catalyst driver with Mantle and the nets congested so I can't play :crying:
///Mantle let me increase some lows to medium and some mediums to high and increased my framerate from 50's to 60 smooth (single player) :victory:
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Rumored 1 of 2 devices moto has is a 6.3" device in it's lineup. Lenovo says it wont interfere with the lineup.
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Rumored 1 of 2 devices moto has is a 6.3" device in it's lineup. Lenovo says it wont interfere with the lineup.
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Had to Google that. It's gonna be called the X Play and rumored to be released sometime this year. It better have an sd slot and the same usb/hdmi configuration or I'll be pissed....but I'd settle with 64-128gb internal if no sd is available....and an unlocked bootloader --> that's essential.
Rumors also said that Lenovo isn't gonna mess with what Moto is currently doing or their upcoming lineup. Hopefully that means our Kit Kat updagrade is still on track.
A 6.3" Moto. Now wouldn't that be nice. With it being called the X Play, I'm wondering if it'll be the X's Big Brother, with the Droid Quantum (the other rumored phone) being the new RAZR/Atrix model.